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Naz , to asklemmy in What's the worst scam you've fallen for (or gotten close to falling for)?

I once had one of those crypto-people message me with a sales pitch, asking for money to help start their small business in Africa or something like that (can’t remember what, I think it was a micro-brewery)

As an actual business owner, their initial ideas sounded okay, and I began forwarding them resources on how to secure a low-interest loan from their government and grants and stuff like that and then they abruptly closed up with:

“This is scam, brother. This is scam. You have good heart. I tell you only once, do not message this number.”

RGB3x3 ,

We forget that on the other end of scams are real people with real problems, morals, and lives. The person on the other end of your scam probably started to feel bad and helped you out. And likely that person is being forced into performing these scams on people.

There’s an excellent “Search Engine” podcast episode about this that came out recently called “Who’s behind these scammy text messages we’ve all been getting.” It’s well worth a listen because it dives into all the slavery and human trafficking involved in modern scams that people aren’t aware of.

Omega_Haxors ,

The especially vile thing about these scam centers is that often they trick normal people just trying to find work and support their family. They steal their passport and then hold them hostage with slave labour.

eatham ,
@eatham@aussie.zone avatar

Can you link the podcast?

reallyzen ,
@reallyzen@lemmy.ml avatar

Look up “pig butchering” by John Oliver. Yes, this is the technical term for it.

RGB3x3 ,

The podcast goes much more in depth than Oliver did. But they’re both good content.

RGB3x3 ,

pjvogt.substack.com

That’s the website, but it’s not rendering for me for some reason.

Here’s a PocketCast link:

pca.st/…/cb2108e0-8619-013a-d7f7-0acc26574db2

jbrains ,

Not the one you asked for, but another interesting episode on the topic: darknetdiaries.com/episode/141/

Jimmycrackcrack ,

Aww.

Tattorack , to piracy in Not to be that guy
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

I always torrent large FOSS projects where possible. It’s faster and doesn’t tax the servers of the project.

That’s not piracy, though, so I’m not sure why it’s being talked about here…

Hazzia ,

I once mentioned “the joys of torrenting” to a friend and they immediately assumed piracy. I mean he wasn’t wrong, but the lack of love for more standard use of P2P is saddening.

TunaLobster ,

The launcher for War Thunder was a p2p client for sharing game files. It worked really well and was essentially it’s own CDN. Not sure if it still is.

Morefan ,

Steam can do that now but first gotta enable it for friends. Works great for multiple computers on a slower internet connection. One downloads it then shares to the rest.

kib48 ,

doesn’t that only work on local connections?

Morefan ,

Well yes but that’s the whole point. If there’s no one local it’ll be downloading from a CDN regardless.

xlash123 ,
@xlash123@sh.itjust.works avatar

People sometimes say “torrenting Linux ISOs” to mean pirating without outright saying it.

RampageDon , to asklemmy in What is a gender neutral replacement for man, guys, buddy, etc?

A wise man once said, “I’m a dude, he’s a dudes, she’s a dude. We’re all dudes. Hey!”

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Strange though, that when you ask most men how many dudes they’ve slept with suddenly, she’s not a dude…

Jolteon ,

There’s a very big difference between “dude”, referring to someone you’re talking to, and “a dude”, referring to someone you were talking about.

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Not to me there isn’t…

gofsckyourself , (edited )

It’s like the difference between “my shit”, “your shit”, and “that shit”. You’re not actually referring to your own things as feces, or calling it “shitty”. It’s just your shit. As in “Don’t touch my shit”. But when you’re referring to someone else’s shit as “your shit” or “that shit” it’s more derogatory. Like, “clean up that shit” or “get your shit out of here”.

The context changes “shit” from derogatory to neutral. Similarly, “dude” can be both gender specific and neutral depending on context.

Note that people are still allowed to prefer not to be referred to as “dude”, but it’s a gender neutral term in many contexts nonetheless.

Matriks404 ,

Then educate yourself. See definitions 1 and 2 for noun and definition for interjection.

teawrecks ,

In the '60s, I made love to many, many women, often outdoors, in the mud and the rain, and it’s possible a man slipped in. There would be no way of knowing.

TheBest ,
@TheBest@midwest.social avatar

Ive generally always agreed with the former comment, but I’ve heard this argument a few times and it does demonstrate the disconnect well. I’ve switched it up to a simple y’all.

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yep. Something that can only ever mean “neutral” or “man” isn’t neutral

ShepherdPie ,

That’s just how our language works. You can also use the word “fuck” in many ways that have wildly different meanings.

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s funny how “just how it works out” always leads to “neutral” words having double meanings that equal “man” but never “woman”

Maybe it’s not “just how it works” and maybe it’s just bias…

ShepherdPie ,

You’re literally arguing that this word should specifically exclude women, while complaining that double meanings never include women. It makes no sense. Why wouldn’t you want to take power over the word to make it apply to women too?

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

There is no world where “Check out that dude” will mean a woman.

It will always be “neutral” or masculine.

And that’s not neutral.

I have zero interest in fake neutrality

gofsckyourself ,

That’s because context matters.

“You’re shit” and “You’re the shit” mean completely different things

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Of course. No one literally thinks that “dude” always means man.

The issue isn’t the obvious truth of the different meanings. The issue is that those different meanings aren’t neutral like they claim to be, because they rely on the idea of men being the “default” state of people.

There’s a reason there isn’t exactly a large number of words in use that can men “woman” and “everybody” and that’s because most men would be uncomfortable with that.

Yet somehow, the opposite is fine?

gofsckyourself , (edited )

Of course. No one literally thinks that “dude” always means man.

Your points in this thread are certainly implying that “dude” is always a man. When you say “if a word is either neutral or masc, then it’s not neutral”, then you’re literally saying it always is masc.

The issue is that those different meanings aren’t neutral like they claim to be

So, neutrality is a spectrum? How do you define the different parts of the neutrality spectrum?

because they rely on the idea of men being the “default” state of people.

That’s a claim that needs some data to back up.

because most men would be uncomfortable with that. Yet somehow, the opposite is fine?

I don’t give a single shit about what they think. Why should anyone?

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I don’t give a single shit about what they think. Why should anyone?

I mean, clearly you do. If you didn’t give a shit, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

And just like you, enough people “give a shit” about man being a stand in for the default human, that despite literally thousands and years of language development not a single case of “woman as the default” has entered common usage.

That’s what bias looks like.

gofsckyourself ,

I find your perspective and words judgemental, assumptive, and accusatory.

I can see no evidence of a good faith discussion from your end, so I will no longer continue with you.

I hope these words might help you move beyond the veil that causes you to be so assumptive:

If you look for the light, you can often find it.But if you look for the dark that is all you will ever see.

Shanedino ,

Hot take alert… Bitch has seen to evolved similar to Australian’s cunt at this point. “Women as the default” but it is still neutrally used.

thistledown ,
@thistledown@rblind.com avatar

Your examples of female-based neutral words are pejorative. Do you have examples not rooted in misogyny?

Shanedino ,

Queen

thistledown ,
@thistledown@rblind.com avatar

“Queen” by itself refers to either women or gay men. It is not gender neutral. “Drama queen” is applied to all genders, but, again, this example is pejorative toward women. Do you have any examples of women-centric language that can refer to all genders, but that is not negative toward women?

Shanedino ,

I think we would need to clarify on what your definition of gender neutral is before continuing. I would consider it gender neutral because I and the people I hang around would use the term with a person regardless of their gender. Maybe that’s exclusive to us but also you defined more than one gender that can be described by the term so a looser definition of gender neutral would still apply. Women and men (even though they are gay) are very clearly two different genders.

FauxPseudo , (edited )
@FauxPseudo@lemmy.world avatar

As a former resident of San Diego I have no problem sleeping with dudes. Because everyone is dude.

People think they’re clever when they ask “would you sleep with the dude?” My response is " bold of you to assume that I haven’t." Everyone is dude. You can try to twist things as much as you like but dude normalization reigns supreme.

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I was talking about the default assumptions people make when they hear the word. Your circumstances don’t come in to it, unless your claim is that most people share your experiences

FauxPseudo ,
@FauxPseudo@lemmy.world avatar

In San Diego the default assumption of “dude” is that it can be literally anyone or any thing.

The people there accepted this decades ago. It’s not one person’s experience. It’s a shared experience of millions. It’s a geographically specific situation with the Smurf language phenomenon. Any noun can be Smurf and everyone there understands the smurfing meaning when it’s smurfing said.

Late2TheParty ,
@Late2TheParty@lemmy.world avatar

Out of the mouth of babes… 🥰

I believe that sentiment was also uttered by another wise man. A man of his time. Mr. Jeffrey Lebowski.

jqubed , to nostupidquestions in When people talk about returning the cart after shopping, does that include putting it in a corral, or do you have to take it all the way to the front of the store to be a good person?
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

If they have the corral I put it in the corral. If not I will bring it back to the store or try to avoid taking it to my car in the first place so I can leave it at the store and not come back.

The key is to return the cart to a designated location where the store is asking that they be returned.

ivanafterall , to asklemmy in Is it just me, or have the comments on Lemmy become extra aggressive over the past 3 months?
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

YES, IT'S JUST FUCKING YOU, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WITH THIS GUY...

kWazt ,

Careful with the punctuation it makes you seem rather aggressive

LemmySoloHer , to games in Games that force you to make hard choices
@LemmySoloHer@lemmy.world avatar

Disco Elysium is a fantastic one. There are an insane amount of choices that shape how you go about the investigation of the hanged man and ultimately what happens beyond that investigation. Choices of who to side with, how to side (openly or playing multiple sides, etc.), choices that ultimately define what kind of detective you are (by-the-book boring, superstar douchebag, violent tough guy, Sherlock Holmes-esque genius, etc., including my favorite: Twin Peaks Lynchian detective that bases their decisions off of dreams, intuition and imaginary conversations with the dead body), and even how failing or succeeding at something can lead to progress in very different ways. If you fail to hit that person you tried to punch, or miss that shot with your gun, or utterly fail to convince someone to help you, you progress through in very different ways so that failing your way to the truth is just as satisfying and entertaining as succeeding your checks to get there.

And of course Fallout: New Vegas. Whether you choose to support the New California Republic, Caesar’s Legion, Mr. House, or a truly independent New Vegas, none of them are perfect. Each succeeds in an ideal society in some ways but completely fails at others, leaving you to decide which imperfect system you feel is the right one for the world instead of shoving an obvious answer in your face.

Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Or maybe I am some kind of supercop… 🤔

Disco: Elysium really is an absolutely fantastic game. Hard to describe how much it moved the goal post for these games.

dipshit , to fediverse in Concerns about lemmy.world

volunteer run and volunteer paid servers sometimes go down. you may not be used to this happening with large, for-profit websites.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Who’d have guessed that volunteers without big bags of cash usually only actually have one or two actual servers running and they somehow can’t afford a whole fleet of failover servers for when traffic gets too high.

SlothMama ,

I literally remember when sites like Reddit, Amazon, and even Google went down. We’re so used to crazy uptimes that it’s easy to forget that real servers and infrastructure have real problems.

Mrkawfee ,

I remember the “by what right do you exclude the population” video when Reddit was down. Good times long before the enshittification.

Edit: here’s the video: youtu.be/KqRPOEa3P44?si=d5k94eccnJz7SauS

corsicanguppy ,

I remember when ‘literally’ wasn’t the only adverb people knew.

Stern ,
@Stern@lemmy.world avatar

Do you literally remember it, or merely figuratively?

no_me_jodas ,

🎶 “She is literally the Polaroid of perfection…” 🎶

ad_on_is OP ,
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

Well… technically…

ad_on_is OP ,
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

Actually, I’m more used to the big sites going down, than small ones, but considering the fact that they are well-fed to come back online, compared to volunteer projects, just gave me some concerns

RandomVideos , to asklemmy in "If you tell a lie big enough and tell it frequently enough, people will eventually come to believe it". What is an example of this happening today?

Communism=Authoritarianism

I was taught in school the characteristics of authoritarianism and a couple weeks later, when i was being taught about communism, the same characteristics were said

OurToothbrush ,

Going a step further, the idea of authoritarian. Every ideology with a state relies on some type of authority to function, as a term it is an attempt at equating fascism and communism and serves as holocaust trivialization.

zenitsu ,

They usually come packaged together. You’ll have a hard time naming democratic liberal communist countries/leaders.

brain_in_a_box ,

liberal communist

liberalism and communism are literally opposing ideology.

But if you have a hard time naming democratic communist leaders, that’s largely because you’ve only been taught about the totalitarian ones.

zenitsu ,

Liberal socialism is a thing. But yes, hard to have liberal values alongside the communist cancer.

But if you have a hard time naming democratic communist leaders, that’s largely because you’ve only been taught about the totalitarian ones.

I did say they usually go together.

brain_in_a_box ,

Liberal socialism is a thing.

Yeah, but they’re fundamentally different from liberals

But yes, hard to have liberal values alongside the communist cancer.

Hard to have communist values alongside the liberal cancer.

I did say they usually go together.

And you base that on what?

zenitsu ,

And you base that on what?

All of the communist countries one immediately thinks of? Without needing to cherrypick like a badfaith tankie cuck.

brain_in_a_box ,

The irony of posting that in this comment section, out of all of them.

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

I base it on my feelings

brain_in_a_box ,

I figured

OurToothbrush ,

But a very easy time naming democratic communists. Even Stalin wasn’t a dictator, according to liberal historians such as Conquest who are experts on the soviet union. Socialism is more democratic than capitalism.

Cras ,

You’re right that they’re absolutely not the same, however at a nation state level, I’d be very surprised if you could point to any communist regime at any point in history that wasn’t also authoritarian or didn’t end up that way

kromem , to asklemmy in Why is everything in consumer / American life so fucking shitty now - and companies literally just say 'oh bc profit margins' and we're now expected to swallow that and sympathize?

Because stocks kept trading at higher and higher P/E ratios essentially saying “the market thinks this company can make much more money in the future than they are making now.”

The problem is, most companies couldn’t, and as we have hit a recessionary phase those companies are now scrambling to try to show continued growth justifying their price.

The way they do that is by cutting off their limbs and selling them for short term cash at long term consequence.

So you see them cutting costs in all kinds of ways that screw over their customers but can show quarterly profits. Even though it means customers may not stay customers if better options appear.

So we are in this sort of pendulum swing period where large corporations suck because there’s effectively no competition that doesn’t and sucking is the last way for them to squeeze water from a stone. The natural solution is that we’d see competition rise up that doesn’t suck to take their customers away and force pro-customer changes.

This likely will eventually happen, but it’s going to take time. There are emerging tech trends that will accelerate it, but are still a few years away from practically changing the equation.

In about a decade things should suck less, and a number of the crappy companies around right now may no longer be around, but in the meantime it’s still going to suck for a while yet as things adjust to the dying of the old guard and birth of the new.

unreasonabro ,

this sort of talk will get you killed in the revolution, fair warning.

kromem ,

🙄

theluddite , (edited )
@theluddite@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t really agree with this. It is the answer that I think classical economics would give but I just don’t think it’s useful. For one, it ignores politics. Large corporations also have bought our government, and a few large wealth management funds like vanguard own a de facto controlling share in many public companies, oftentimes including virtually an entire industry, such that competition between them isn’t really incentived as much as financial shenanigans and other Jack Welch style shit.

Some scholars (i think I read this in Adrienne bullers value of a whale, which is basically basis for this entire comment) even argue that we’ve reached a point where it might be more useful to think of our economy as a planned economy, but planned by finance instead of a state central authority.

All that is to say: why would we expect competition to grow, as you suggest, when the current companies already won, and therefore have the power to crush competition? They’ve already dismantled so many of the antimonopoly and other regulations standing in their way. The classical economics argument treats these new better companies as just sorta rising out of the aether but in reality there’s a whole political context that is probably worth considering.

5wim ,

Good point well made. I think it’s usually naive wishful thinking (for a “just world” that makes sense and is going to be OK, actually) that allows a liberal capitalist apologist to point to classical economics and say “see the companies are hurting,” but the companies don’t have feelings, and the owners and shareholders are feeling just fine.

Aceticon ,

I woukd say it’s even worse than that: Free Market only works if humans behaved in a certain way (the so called homo economicus) which has long be disproven by Behavioural Economics and in Markets with low barriers to entry (i.e. teddy bears or soap, not railways or internet service provision) and even then it can’t deal will systemic problems (basically any Negative Externality such as Polution or Greenhouse Gas emissions, or over consumption of share resources - a.k.a. Tragedy of the Commons - such as with overfishing or in depletion of mineral resources).

People have been fed by politicians and think-tanks with shaddy funding an oversimplified theory that sounds amazing if you do not at all dig into the details, whilst not actually working in reality, not even close, but of course you’re never be told that by the people who win the most from the system built on top of this theory.

(It’s actually funny how this is the Capitalist mirror of Communism: beautiful high-level theory, never worked and can’t work in practice - because people are as they are, the physical world is as it is and human systems work as they work - and the people whose priviledges come from the system created to implement said theories will never ever tell you they don’t work and never will even after a half a century experiment: in fact they’ll just tell you it’s only not working as expected because it has not been done with enough “purity” and hence we need to double-down to make it work)

Aceticon ,

I disagree on your expectations for improvement, though agree on the rest.

There are lots of markets with natural barriers to entry were there isn’t any realistic chance for a new competitor to arrise and even if one did thanks to, say, some new technology, they’ll almost certainly only “disrupt” until they became well established and then do the same as all the rest because that maximizes profitability (just look at Uber a decade ago and look at Uber now).

Then there are lots of markets were crooked politcians (which nowadys seems to be most of the ones in the mainstream parties) make sure there are artificial barriers to entry so that well-connected companies are protected from competition - pretty much any market were an operating license is required, such as Banking and Mobile works like that - and that too means no costumer-friendly competitors will arrise in such markets, ever, because the gatekeeping which is in the hands of said crooked politians stops them before they even start, and said political gatekeepers couldn’t care less about consumer-friendliness of market participants and they’ll only change their ways if forced to politically and that’s not going to happen in countries with voting systems designed to maintain a political duopoly such as the US were the politicians rarelly fear losing their positions, especially on complex hard to explain things like how consumers suffer from them “maintaing high artifical market barriers to entry”

In the old days, before neoliberalism got entrenched, you might have such natural or artificial monopoly or cartel markets occupied by a Public company, which due to the lack of competition quickly grew inneficient (in my professional experience the same happens in Private companies in such a situation, by the way), though cheap, and on which there was often political pressure to improve. Now you have them occupied by Private companies who are driven solely by profit-seeking, so it’s still shit (because they cut costs) only it’s also expensive for customers rather than cheap (because they try to squeeze costumers with high prices) and suffers zero political pressure because the politicians hide behind the “It’s a Free Market” to refuse to regulate whilst secretly waiting for their Non-executive board memberships as rewards for being “friends of business” - a wonderful example of all this are Railways in the UK.

Piecemakers3Dprints , to nostupidquestions in I get that AMP sites are supposed to load faster. But why do they have to be so ugly?
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck AMP. Ignore it, don’t use it, let it wither and die off. Today.

abbadon420 ,

That’s not gonna happen. It’s forced down your throat and most people don’t have the knowledge to do anything about it. Much like religion.

Piecemakers3Dprints , (edited )
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, I’m all for killing every god, but if your vote at the federal level doesn’t count and the cops are all violent bigots from the next county over, wtf else are you supposed to champion? A living fucking wage? Body autonomy? Simply NOT being a rounding error in one more billionaire’s financial report? Plant your flag wherever you need to, but I say again: Fuck AMP.

Greg ,
@Greg@lemmy.ca avatar

This thread is a rollercoaster 🎢

abbadon420 ,

We’re on the same page here, but you have to be realistic. The amount of people who still don’t know where to find the any-key on their laptop, is staggering. I have little hope that the masses will ignore amp or even be consious about the existence of amp. I’m affraid amp will remain unless google decides it is done with amp.

However, other in this threat have mentioned that google might in fact be considering abandoning amp. So there is a ray of sunshine in the otherwise dark and hopeless outlook of the future

HeartyBeast ,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

AMP sites were enough to make me change the default search engine on my iPhone and I'm a very lazy person.

The good news is that Google is deprecating AMP now - or at least, its no longer a requirement for getting a 'Top Stories' place in search results - so I'm hoping we see it wither as sites no longer field compelled to use it

https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-retires-amp-icon-survey/406770/

SmashingSquid ,

I hate amp so much that once iOS supported safari extensions I bought the Amplosion extension (from the dev of the Reddit Apollo app). There were constant scrolling and zoom issues for me any time I loaded an amp page, fuck amp.

seaQueue , to showerthoughts in A lot of societies problems would be solved if they taught about forming healthy relationships in school.
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Can we just restate this as: “A lot of society’s problems could be avoided if parents actually put in effort to parent their children” ?

PeleSpirit ,

It’s a cycle of madness though, how can they teach you something they’ve never been taught?

sigmaklimgrindset ,

Through easy access to education, societal support, and a safety net.

There are many parents out there who were able to break the cycle of trauma and raise children in positive environments. But almost every single one of them talks about how they had the privilege of the support of friends, therapists, teachers, obs/gyn doctors, whatever, to help break the patterns

There’s a reason “It takes a village to raise a child” is an idea that is prevalent across so many cultures. The concept of the nuclear family was a tool to sell more real estate, and we are seeing the consequences of that societal shift today.

intensely_human ,

I’m pretty sure nuclear families predate concepts in history.

sigmaklimgrindset ,

While there is evidence of nuclear families existing as far as 5 000 years ago, they were only really for wealthy/high status people. The concept of the nuclear family as it’s own autonomous unit wasn’t really widely financially viable until post-Industrial revolution.

There is even current academic arguments that the previously believed idea that Europe had moved to nuclear families as early as the 17th century may be flawed, as the surviving literature was once again biased towards the merchant/upper classes.

Wikipedia has a good summary, actually, even though some of the claims are conjecture.

intensely_human ,

I’d say the evidence is in the fact you can find nuclear families in animal species other than humans. Birds and possums didn’t learn that from their wealthy human neighbors. It’s normal for two parents to take care of their young and create a home together. It’s been going on way longer than whatever capitalist marketing campaign you think it came from.

sigmaklimgrindset ,

I don’t think you understand what the term “nuclear family” means in a sociological manner. In humans it’s not just “two parents taking care of their offspring”, there is also a caveat that they are doing that WITHOUT the reliance of an extended social group. Then those offspring are expected to do the same once they reach adulthood. The only social support they are expected to have is their own unit.

Furthermore, comparing human behaviours to other species such as birds (who flock together in habitats for survival and for migration) and possums (who are a solitary, nocturnal species) doesn’t really mean anything.

The comparisons should be to species who share similar evolutionary patterns and social habits to humans ie. primates. And across every primate species, whether it be lemurs, gorillas, baboons, simians, etc. they are all connected to a LARGER SOCIAL GROUP irrespective of their family structure (pairs, group family, homogeneous male or female) well into adulthood.

TheGalacticVoid ,

No amount of reasonable legislation can force parents to teach this stuff. Doing it through schools is infinitely easier.

Zorque ,

It also helps provide a social standard that anyone can relate to. Seems weird to demand that parents should be the ones solely responsible to make sure their children are able to socialize properly. That just means they're main reference for socializing is just their parents.

intensely_human ,

Not everything has to be legislation

TheGalacticVoid ,

What alternative do you suggest that will be effective enough to not alienate children with parents who refuse to listen or think rationally?

Leg ,

Considering the sheer amount of time people spend in schools during essentially all of their formative years, it’d be a terrible idea not to implement legislation that could prevent maladaptive behaviors in our populace. Schools are already affected by legislation via the Mindless Drone Initiative established by our industrial forefathers. We might as well update things to make it a Healthy Human Endeavor instead. Finger-wagging at imaginary parents is going to do fuck all by comparison.

captainlezbian ,

I think it’s not just that. I think part of it is overparenting. Part of these skills can only come from trying to practice these skills

Zippy ,

Possibly. How about the reality that people are simply not interacting in person but online. I can’t believe this is not the first post.

Seriously go out to a bar, a music festival, volunteer, hell get drunk a few times and loosen up. In the 70, 80, 90 right up till 2000 this was every weekend. Hell it is not some work drone thing. That is an excuse. Work later in life is where you actually might meet some friends and from there have drinks after work and maybe that results in a random meeting with some ladies or men in your life.

School won’t teach this. Life skills need practice not exams.

Nepenthe ,
@Nepenthe@kbin.social avatar

Rewrite it for someone who doesn't drink.

Zippy ,

You don’t drink? Just eat food. I joke a bit but I know many people that go to bars just for the music and social and a coke.

bleistift2 ,

Seriously go out to a bar, a music festival, volunteer, hell get drunk

As a non-drinker I find it interesting that 2 out of these 3 things require the use of a drug. (Yes I know, you can order water at bars, but I doubt that was the point of that statement.)

intensely_human ,

Okay first of all, how many activities am I holding up?

Seriously go out to a bar, a music festival, volunteer, hell get drunk

Zippy ,

You have to have alcohol to go to a bar?

Baizey ,

Technically not, but it would feel a bit like a ‘socially taboo’ to not drink

Idk I’d at least put it as slightly awkward, like going to a bowling alley and not bowl, sure you can be social, but it’s weird to not join in

Zippy ,

Think you need to get out more. Few people bat an eye if you don’t drink alcohol in a bar. Lots go for the music alone is it is a live band. It just some wings after work.

Baizey ,

Never said anyone would confront you about it. I’m also with you, live music is different, but that’s not something I have seen much at bars where I’m from

sigmaklimgrindset ,

While true, only one of those things you listed don’t require money, and tbh even volunteering is hard when you have to work 2-3 jobs to get by.

Kids and adults these days don’t have 3rd places to just relax and hang out anymore. The internet is arguably the cheapest way to hang out.

Zippy ,

Sorry but our parents worked more than us and their parents worked more then them. Few people I know work weekends or don’t get two days a week off. Your parents worked normal 8 hours day then they went home and worked on their cars and houses and basically did another 4 hours a day doing of jobs. Their parents went one step further and built their own houses often or helped build them and grew alot of their own food.

We might work similar or more formal hours but we work far less informal hours that at any period in history. So that does not hold much water to me.

sigmaklimgrindset ,

This is only true of certain segments of the working class, mainly the white collar workers located in Western countries. As we see wealth inequality increase globally, I don’t think it’s fair to say every single person is working less.

Also legality aside, kids generally don’t have money to go to bars, restaurants, or music festivals.

Zippy ,

If course not every single person is working less but overall we are all working less. Quite a bit less.

ParsnipWitch ,

This is not true actually. There was a miss-interpreted study that calculated a lower average in working hours but that was because they didn’t consider that many women work part-time. Which lowered the average working hours.

When you look at households, though, the number of working hours is much higher. And that does have an influence.

I am an older person and I can still remember that my mother organised all social occasions of our family. We had big family gatherings regularly, coffee and cake every Sunday, activities in the local community and at schools, etc. This was all organised by the women who did not have jobs. Who is supposed to do all this today?

SkyeStarfall ,

Bad parents exist. Should their kids just be doomed then?

intensely_human ,

No, their kids should not be doomed. However they are unless those bad parents get better.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

Fwiw we are learning more and more that most of what makes an adult isn’t nurture at all. It’s almost all nature.

Helicopter or hands-off parenting? The choice won’t impact a kid as much as you think. August 11, 20239:23 AM

www.npr.org/transcripts/1193176710

Also, great parents still end up with perfectly shit children all the time.

People online just love playing the blame game on others for an individuals actions though lmfao. Poor upbringing, neglect, trauma, all of that is only one part of explaining someone’s actions. It doesn’t remove the responsibility and free will of the person commiting them lol.

npr.org/…/sometimes-good-parents-produce-bad-kids

ParsnipWitch ,

The influence of parenting is extremely overestimated. I think that is also a symptom of a society where people are reluctant to take on responsibility for themselves. Which is also a reason why people lack community because both (responsibility for oneself and functioning relationships) rely on introspection.

sodalite , to asklemmy in Who cares about red flags in people. What are your green flags

they read books

Today ,

Oh man. I wish i could read a book!

MaggiWuerze ,

What’s keeping you?

Today ,

I dunno…distractions, too much commitment, feels indulgent,… ? Just got a book for my birthday and read the first 100 pages aloud in the car because my husband and son wanted to hear it. Now it’s been on my coffee table for two weeks and I’m struggling to pick it back up.

MaggiWuerze ,

It’s not really indulgent to take some time for yourself. Maybe your also missing the right book to get you interested. What kind of story are you interested in?

Today ,

When i was younger (before kids) i read a lot - mostly Stephen King and classics and it’s still what i really like. Kids are grown, but i have a hard time saying, “I’m going to sit here for an hour and read.” There’s always something to do…bills, husband, animals, house, yard, etc. and when i veg I mostly turn to mindlessly browsing my phone because it’s 2 minute chunks that you can put down anytime. After 15 years of working at the same job i just found out that my lunch break is 60 minutes instead of 30 - maybe I’ll bring a book and try to use that time to read.

Today ,

Thank you for the motivation

BallShapedMan ,
@BallShapedMan@lemmy.world avatar

As a fellow reader, how do you identify others in the wild? I feel like my method sucks…

jjjalljs ,

I just talk about books I’ve read when relevant, or during the “whatve you been up to?” small talk.

sodalite ,

^ this

SpaceNoodle ,

They’re reading a book

darklamer ,
@darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

My method is very simple, just looking for people who sit and read in trains, cafés, etc., most people who do that tend to be people who like to read books.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks ,

Plus they love it when you pull off their headphones to ask what they’re reading.

AnnaFrankfurter ,

After 4 years of engineering I’m scared of books now…😂😂😂

Someonelol ,

The trick is to read something that’s fictional and less dry. Fantasy would be an excellent choice. Sci Fi if you still enjoy things slightly more grounded in reality.

sodalite ,

valid lol, sometimes gotta take a break for a while

Bassman1805 , to showerthoughts in We've transitioned from celebrating scientific pioneers in the 19th-20th century to venerating capitalist CEOs in the 20th century who amassed wealth through market domination and reduced wages.

Edison, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Rockerfeller…

Same shit back then. Careful of the rose colored glasses.

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Yeah… a lot of people are venerated posthumously, whereas others can afford to pay to be venerated in their own time.

postmateDumbass ,

Tbf there has been a shift from manufacturing industry to financial industry.

deweydecibel ,

And that financial industry bled into the other industries, and started stealing the credit.

Musk is a good example. The perfect one, really. True engineers and scientists could be the figureheads of those companies, but when you think Space X, you think of that wart of a human being.

Edison was a shithead with his company and his money, but he was still the genuine article when it came to engineering. More than can be said for Musk.

Sechru , to workreform in Got laid off today.

Obviously too late now, but the move to Austin would have taken a long time, had you thought of accepting the move and in the meantime starting an intense job search in Maryland? That way if you found nothing you at least still had a backup plan in Austin and you weren’t fully out of the job.

partial_accumen ,

Agreed. OP, I’m sorry this has happened to you. I wish you the best.

For others in the future, a crappy 1 room “extended stay” hotel might cost more for housing temporarily, but would likely be more money in your pocket at the end of the month than unemployment. Getting a job is much easier if you have a job already.

ryannathans ,

Or just don’t move and use the time to job hunt

JokeDeity ,

Do you guys and the people who upvoted you not have friends and family? I’m baffled by the nonchalant suggestion that someone pick up their life and move across the country thousands of miles from anyone they know, on what is more or less the whims of strangers.

renownedballoonthief ,

And to Texas of all places. At least there’d be a decent argument if the move was from Texas to Maryland.

Th3D3k0y ,

Fly down to Austin, rent a PO Box, have mail diverted back to current house, claim you moved and wait till company notices while looking for a new job.

averagedrunk ,

There are mail services in Texas that give you a street address and will forward the mail to whatever address you choose. No flying needed.

Someone I know keeps residency while spending his year moving from place to place. He doesn’t have a real home and never spends more than a few months in one place so it gives him a place to register his vehicle and keep his driver’s license up to date.

Fixbeat ,

They’re suggesting a temporary move until a new job is sorted, if I understand. While not feasible for everyone, it could be an option for some to avoid being laid off.

partial_accumen ,

First, I wasn’t suggesting it as a permanent move. You live in the other place until you find a job back in your original location, but all the while you’d still have a job, income, and most importantly, health insurance.

Do you guys and the people who upvoted you not have friends and family?

Multiple times during my childhood one of my parents had to move ahead to a different city to take a job while the other parent stayed in the original place until the end of the school year and we’d move.

I’m baffled by the nonchalant suggestion that someone pick up their life and move across the country thousands of miles from anyone they know, on what is more or less the whims of strangers.

You do what you have to do to make ends meet. When there is no easy way you do the hard thing because thats what being an adult is.

tdawg ,

Yeah. More people need to be comfortable gaming the system like this. They do it to us so there’s no reason not to do it right back (but double check your contracts!)

monkeytennis ,
@monkeytennis@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a very good idea. Hopefully I’ll never need it, but great advice.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Yeah but like… then you have to be in Texas. These days, that’s getting to be a non-starter with more and more people.

The_Picard_Maneuver , to asklemmy in How is Lemmy so good and you guys all so awesome? FUCK!
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

It’s totally replaced reddit for me. Every community I’m interested is smaller than I’m used to, but much more positive. It’s cool even seeing a lot of the same names occasionally as I navigate around the site.

I hope it keeps this level of quality as it grows.

cheese_greater OP ,

That can also be regulated to a certain extent at the Federation/instance level so its very possible to have different conventions or varying levels of quality control for posting and commenting

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

We can even have communities on similar topics with different vibes, moderating styles, etc. It’s great.

bradorsomething ,

If you’re not calling groups like that “Cubes” in your community, do you even Star Trek?

MrGG ,

What’s really cool is seeing actual conversations taking place. I’m actually able to comment here and I’m not immediately being drowned out by being one of ten thousand comments or constant contrarian trolling.

It has also totally replaced Reddit for me. It reminds me a lot of the old internet and a bit of early Reddit. It’s a really cool experiment, and if it continues as-is I will be thrilled, and if not then I will forever have a sense of pride of what everyone here accomplished. It’s very cool.

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

Yeah, I never feel like I’m commenting/posting into the void. By my surprise, it has actually encouraged me to post more, which isn’t something I expected when I joined Lemmy, and definitely not something I ever did on reddit.

MrGG ,

My dude, you and Stamets are my Lemmy heroes. I can’t imagine I’d spend that much time on Lemmy if you guys weren’t around.

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

Haha, I’m glad! I know I post a lot of memes in general, but Risa is by far my favorite community on lemmy. The more people that get into Star Trek, the better, I say!

cheese_greater OP , (edited )

I’ve always been such an admirer and peruser of such a classic and timeless dialectical format. Its like constantly examining knowledge and each other and being likewise cross-examined in all the best ways

I honestly believe it has made me a much better writer and thinker although I have no pretensions about how systematic any of it is.

Edit: it can compel me to be hilariously nitpicky sometimes

MrGG ,

Anything that makes you think critically, ponder, analyse, or absorb knowledge is a grand thing.

I just had an idea: daily Lemmy debates. We pick a topic that is relevant to the day, and we engage in healthy, respectful debate, picking a side and exploring that stance until all points of logic are exhausted.

cheese_greater OP ,

Great idea. I also really liked Reddits’s KarmaCourt or whatever with the roles for Judge, prosecutor, defense, other officers of the “Court”, and jury etc. I love shit like that, its like the internet’s version of HarveyBirdman Attorney at Law. Oh, and SubredditSimulator is goddamn hilarious.

Good schtuff

cheese_greater OP ,

I’d really love it if someone could prosecute me for something in KarmaCourt, I doubt they would prevail, unfortunatley for all of us :(

cheese_greater OP ,

I really do hope Lemmy can become sufficiently populous to allow for revitalizing all the niche subreddits and perpetuate+encourage that knowledge dissemination and truth-seeking function that Reddit (the community of communities rather than RedditCo) tends to do stunningly well.

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

I made one of my favorite niche communities (on my Lemmy.world account), for the XCOM games. And I try to drop memes in a few other super niche communities that I’m interested in every so often.

Growth is slow, but a handful of very active users can contribute more than you’d think.

cheese_greater OP ,

Just be careful. There’s some bad hombres out there spamming bad stuff and I don’t want any nice volunteers getting burned online or offline, if you catch my drift.

PrincessLeiasCat ,

Same. Couldn’t have said it better.

Rai ,

Lawl I see your name EVERYWHERE! Good stuff all over.

Also a user named Ragnarok Online, which is a game that changed my life so much, I didn’t think I’d be around without it. He’s fantastic also.

cheese_greater OP ,

Its insane how responsive and quick rhe answers pile up, asklemmy is the shit. Just asked a life or death question and already got lke r organic answers

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

I post and comment a lot, and it frequently leads to me having like 40-50 messages in my inbox if I don’t check for a few hours. I’ve even noticed a significant uptick lately, which is encouraging.

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