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Blake , to gaming in Not counting games that were unfun because of bugs, what’s the most unfun video game that you’ve played and what made it unfun?

I’m gonna come out swinging: not even a game, but two entire fucking genres:

  1. Battle royales. I am like 90% convinced that gamers have been tricked by some dark psychology that has somehow convinced them that these games are worth playing. I don’t know whether it’s because the quality of FPS games has been so low for so long that today’s gamers have never really played a properly fun shooter or what. Battle royales are 75% downtime. You spend so long fucking around parachuting in to the map, walking around, collecting stuff, bla bla bla, interspersed by just a few moments of action, and when you get killed it usually doesn’t feel fair, it’s because a whole other team showed up right as you were already fighting someone else and put you in a nearly impossible situation.
  2. MOBA games are just RTS games with the best bits taken out.
Untitled_Pribor ,

the quality of FPS games has been so low for so long that today’s gamers have never really played a properly fun shooter

Black Mesa?

Blake ,

I was thinking more like Unreal Tournament 1999 kind of thing. Black Mesa was a decent game though, but I didn’t play any multiplayer.

bermuda ,

I’d recommend Quake Champions if it wasn’t dead as hell

Blake ,

I played the shit out of quake live a few years ago! It was really good fun.

bermuda ,

Quake live is great. I sometimes use it to 1v1 some friends and it works great for that.

fritata_fritato ,

Battle royal’s taught me what it would feel like to be gaslighted. Surely nobody thinks they are fun. The only sane answer is all my friends have conspired to induce paranoia in me.

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  • Blake , (edited )

    I didn’t say that you’re wrong or lying at all! Like, MOBAs aren’t for me but otherwise I have no problems with them. But for Battle Royales, yeah, I said that I thought that they trick people, like they’re intentionally really manipulative. For example, loot boxes - they’re fun, but manipulative. Know what I mean?

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  • Blake , (edited )

    Battle royales seem to be specifically designed to exploit human psychology to maximise the amount of time that a person plays the game by having specifically timed dopamine releases and manipulating game matchmaking to keep players playing for longer than they would have otherwise. Have you ever felt yourself thinking “damn, I should stop playing, but I want a win first?” That’s exactly what I’m talking about.

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  • Blake ,

    I’m glad you enjoy the game and I’m not trying to take that away from you, but I just have an “ick” for that genre, it feels abusive in a way I can’t really put my finger on. And yeah for sure I am overthinking it, this entire thread is an invitation to overthink video games ;p

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  • Blake ,

    I think if it was personal, my comment wouldn’t be the #1 most upvoted comment in the thread, honestly.

    bermuda ,

    I think people just like the competitive-ness of a battle royale. People like to win and nothing says “winner” more like being the last survivor out of 100, you know?

    Blake ,

    Nah, that’s not really it, imo. If that was the case then they could just stick 100 people in a lobby and get them to square off 1v1 in a tournament until there’s one winner.

    I swear that battle royales are specifically designed for precisely timed dopamine release to make players have longer play sessions and to encourage addiction

    bermuda ,

    I swear that battle royales are specifically designed for precisely timed dopamine release to make players have longer play sessions and to encourage addiction

    You’re really just describing live service games though, of which most battle royale games that come out in the modern era are a part of. Pretty much any AAA online multiplayer game is going to be about encouraging addiction and dopamine release. I think why battle royale games seem to be at the forefront of this is because they are inherently online multiplayer games. You couldn’t really make a true “battle royale” game before the prevalence of online multiplayer without some major concessions.

    Battle royale games happened to be the industry darling back in 2017 which is why so many AAA studios rushed to carve live service models out of them. If you pay close attention in the coming years you may notice that this will likely again happen to whatever new burgeoning genre takes the industry by storm. They already did it back in the early 2000s with MMO’s.

    Blake ,

    Yeah, you’re not wrong - I guess the difference is that when it comes to battle royales, the medium is the message. I don’t give a shit about levels, ranks, customisation options, skins, perks, etc. in Call of Duty, so all of those manipulative tricks they pull in that area don’t really achieve much. But for Apex Legends, the manipulative shit is the game itself.

    conciselyverbose ,

    If that was the case then they could just stick 100 people in a lobby and get them to square off 1v1 in a tournament until there’s one winner.

    And you think battle royales have too much down time?

    I don't play them because they're all prey to the modern aggressive cash grab bullshit most online games are, but most of the downtime you're discussing is actually active and engaged. You need to be consciously making a decision during the parachute part to decide where you want to land. All the "collecting" is constantly under stress, because if you aren't aware of your surroundings at all times, you could be dead. The whole game mode has a tension to it that most others don't, because dying in death match doesn't cost you anything but 10 seconds to respawn.

    Blake ,

    Lots of games had duel modes without downtime, when your duel ends, you get paired up with another player whose duel ended recently. It’s a few seconds at most usually.

    I never felt particularly stressed during the collection segment, just bored, and from the other guy who wrote that he likes that time to mess around with his friends, I don’t know that your experience is universal.

    That feeling of tension that you describe was absolutely present for me playing traditional deathmatch. The drive to want to win was strong enough to make me give a shit about the game. Especially if it was like, a clan match or something.

    520 ,

    There's also the chaos aspect. Put 100 people in an arena and pretty much anything can happen. The top player can find themselves overwhelmed by people, and any competent player can come out the winner with a bit of luck. It keeps things from getting boring in the way a standard 8v8 in a standard map might get.

    TehPers ,

    For me it’s pretty much any competitive multiplayer game. I don’t dislike the games, I usually dislike the communities. That was one of the big things that turned me away from Overwatch (the first one) for example, the gameplay was fun but I just wish I could choose who I was playing with.

    Needless to say, I stick with singleplayer games these days, or at least less competitive multiplayer games. Games with good local multiplayer, like SSBU, are also pretty fun when I can get a group together.

    Blake ,

    It’s a modern gaming thing, in my experience. If you play old multiplayer games, the communities are usually much nicer.

    MrBobDobalina ,

    Battle Royals - for me, it’s about how the consequences heighten the tension, and how the threat of getting unceremoniously smashed back to the lobby heightens the victories.

    Playing with friends makes the the whole experience fun. If you drop and have some downtime ‘just’ gearing up, you can chat and hang out and goof around. Then when shit kicks off, it’s just so much more impactful (imo) than a game where you’ve just died and respawned a bunch already and you can do the same again. The teamwork and communication has to be next level and it feels so damn good to win a round, especially when you’ve been on the back foot and had to claw your way out of tough fights.

    No mind tricks, not fussed about loot boxes and skins, just awesome memories from when we where playing enough to get almost half decent at it.

    …and now I’m missing Apex Legends, might reinstall and remember that my friends don’t play it any more

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  • MrBobDobalina ,

    Hahaha ummm yeah as for your last sentence, I finally got around to getting a diagnosis for adult adhd recently and yes, having that focus naturally demanded of your brain by something you actually enjoy doing is definitely soothing. Kinda explains all of the activities I’ve always been drawn to (intense games, sim racing, rock climbing, skydiving etc)

    ampersandrew ,
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    That downtime in a battle royale creates a really fun tension. Unfortunately, it does feel like dominant strategies emerge in that genre a little too easily, and then they become repetitive, so you don't get that early feeling with the game for more than a few weeks.

    MOBAs can take many forms, and a lot of them don't look anything like an RTS, but they do usually give you the good parts of leveling up and becoming more powerful in an RPG over the course of about a half hour.

    allocsb ,

    Battle Royales: there are pros and cons to the format over traditional FPS. The real story here is that Fortnite in particular also frequently comes out with tons of fun and ridiculous weapons and items which is something that other companies don’t really do.

    Ie: chrome that lets you turn into a fast moving blob, a katana with a charge dash range so big that it’s considered a mobility item, a handheld napalm cannon

    potterman28wxcv ,

    I highly disagree with the 2nd point

    I hate RTS because there are so much going on everywhere at the same time that I just can’t handle it. You gotta master your production while scouting while repelling raids while strategizing to see what kind of army the opponent is building while exploring the tech tree and… damn how did they just send an army of 50 fellas??

    MOBAs allow me to fully focus on the moment and whatever I’m doing instead of being perpetually late on the actions that need doing

    bmaxv ,
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    @potterman28wxcv @Blake

    Imo theoretical development just stopped after StarCraft and total annihilation.

    Sup com is my favorite but nobody really tried to reimagine what "RTS" should mean.

    Not like COD -> Doom(2016) did for fps.

    So both perspectives are valid and deal with unsolved problems that are unfortunately just hard and not profitable to solve.

    Blake ,

    Yeah, I understand that, and I guess they’re not for everyone. I’ve got pretty severe ADHD and I love the “everything happening everywhere all at once” feeling that RTS has

    Anabriated ,

    Ahh, for some folks, MOBAs are RTS games with the worst bits taken out!

    Blake ,

    Oh yeah, for sure, 100%. I know that this is incredibly opinions based. Every time I play a MOBA, I just think how much more fun I’d have playing an RTS!

    Anabriated ,

    totally understandable, they’re so close in controls, but so completely different in gameplay and pacing.

    VoxAdActa ,

    RTS games are currently in a big slump (nobody’s really making them, and the player base on the ones that exist has seriously dried up) because most people only like half the game.

    The people who love the micro end up going to MOBAs like League or Smite. The people who love the macro end up going to 4X/Grand Strategy like Stellaris or Crusader Kings. The market of people who equally enjoy both aspects is pretty small. Like, I’ll never buy a bag of Chex mix again, now that I know I can get a whole bag of just rye chips.

    To make the scene even more anemic, the skill cap right now is so high. I know several people (including me) who tried to get into Starcraft 2, only for their first random opponent to be a person with 20,000 APM who thinks a match lasting longer than two and a half minutes is a slog. It’s not even possible to learn from your mistakes when you get stomped that hard, that fast. But the single-player part does nothing to prepare you (other than maybe letting you figure out what the buttons do), and it’s going to happen just about every time (because the only people still playing are the people who have been playing for a decade or more).

    dQw4w9WgXcQ ,

    I would respect your opinion if you presented it as an opinion, but your comment just reads as a condescending statement towards gamers who enjoy those genres. I don’t play either of those genres either, but I respect that people do enjoy them.

    Blake ,

    I would respect your opinion about my opinion if you presented it as an opinion about my opinion…

    Of course it’s just my opinion. I respect people who enjoy those games absolutely, 100%. No disrespect at all. I didn’t even say anything negative about MOBAs except the fact that I didn’t personally enjoy them. You’re taking this way too personally.

    kratoz29 ,

    I have never played a MOBA but some quick sessions of Vainglory in an old iPhone… If that counts.

    I can see the charm in the genre I guess… But battle royals? Hell no, you wrote it damn perfectly… It is a huge waste of time, whether it is for the grinding mechanics, or the camping mechanics, or the unfair situations, but that tension does well for streaming guys, I think that is why the genre got so popular? Like those brainless games that you see on social media like Facebook about driving trailers in messy roads or those Five Nights at Freddie’s kinds of games?

    sup ,

    Are you a more eloquent me? This is exactly what I feel about both Battle Royales and MOBAs. How and why? I just don’t see it. I have friends who enjoy both genres and I’ve talked to them many times and asked them to explain why they find it fun. I still don’t get it. Dark psychology indeed. That’s the only thing that explains it for me.

    am0 ,

    Totally agree with point #1. I was a staunch supporter of Fortnite when it was a zombie defense base building game. Then everybody latched on to the battle royale and I hated it, and every battle royale that hopped on the bandwagon afterwards.

    Spend 20-30 minutes collecting loot just to win or lose it all in a sudden burst of conflict… shit gives me hypertension

    ada , to asklemmy in your girlfriend gets an unencrypted copy of all your files. What happens?
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    Nothing? She already has access to it all anyway…

    qooqie ,

    This is the way, don’t hide shit, be open. If you feel the need to hide stuff from your gf/bf get out of the relationship. Them having full access is a trust thing and shows you’re mature enough for a serious relationship imo.

    balderdash9 ,

    100% my girl doesn’t want to know and I don’t want the headache if she did. It’s okay to have privacy in a relationship

    turkalino , to linux in Should i switch from systemd to another init system, What are the advantages of using another init system?
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    I mean, is systemd giving YOU problems? If not, don’t switch just because other people complain about it

    theKalash , to showerthoughts in I ate 6 donuts today. I wonder if this is how it feels to be a cop.

    Not until you go out and shoot a couple minorities.

    TonyTonyChopper ,
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    and their dogs

    cdf12345 ,

    Hey now, give the cops a break. Recently there’s been a progressive movement in law enforcement to change the culture and to not shoot minorities and their dogs exclusively. It’s just a bonus and easier to clean up when it’s a minority.

    Something_Complex ,

    Now now, less discrimination. Other weapons deserve the podium too. With the amount of times they tased pregnant women, or beated unarmed men with their batons.

    Guns don’t deserve all the credit, I didn’t even mention pepper spray or just plain old hands and knees.

    PolandIsAStateOfMind , to asklemmy in What is an absurdity that has been normalized by society?
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    Hahaha i read the 102 current comments and basically 90% of those that name the absurdity is just “capitalism” or its consequences.

    yogthos ,
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    Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t think about the root causes of these problems. So there’s a lot of focus on the symptoms without thinking about the underlying dynamics of capitalism that cause these issues.

    Awoo , to unixporn in Hey, we should all really stop using racist slang to refer to customozation

    The arguments being made here are the same ones that were used for fggot, trp, nword, gpsy, rdskins, etc etc etc.

    It’s the same damn thing every single time, a bunch of reactionaries will piss and whine and piss and whine and piss and whine because they have to make the most minimal amount of effort to adopt a new word in their vocabulary instead of the problem one. They will piss and whine forever until eventually accepting it, like all the others historically.

    They join a long long line of pissy whiney losers for making the same tired old arguments we’ve seen for so many things before.

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  • DCLXVI ,

    It’s called projection

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  • Awoo ,

    Ahhh yes the problem is that Hexbear came in and agreed it is racist, and then the racists threw a fit.

    Lmao give it a rest. Calling you a racist isn’t abuse, you just don’t like being called on it and now you’re pissing and whining about it.

    Hexbear is a plague on lemmy, I can’t wait for the day of instance-level blocking

    It’ll be great, you lot will opt out of seeing us, and opt out of cultural opposition to us. Meanwhile the vast majority will not, and without the far right as a constant source of distraction, concern trolling and sealioning the leftist influence will be even higher.

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  • Awoo ,

    minor issue

    Casual racism != minor issue

    Denial of racism != minor issue

    Unless you’re a racist

    DrRatso ,

    You can strip the argument of all nuance and make all the false equivelances dichotomies you want, but you can fuck right off with it while you are at it, go crawl back to your imaginary arguments in your black and white world, you are clearly not here to discuss anything in good faith. I will engage with hexbear when you offer something of substance besides your adolescent maximalism.

    immuredanchorite ,

    I don’t understand how this was an issue of “lack of nuance” or “black and white” thinking… Either the term is racist or it is not? … Is it disparaging a group of people based on racial/cultural/ethnic stereotypes? Yeah. Is it reinforcing and normalizing those stereotypes and upholding an ideal “normal” that is associated with being part of the dominant group? Yeah. Does it seem petty and pedantic? Racism generally does take on a petty and pedantic character… When you go out of your way to deny these things, you are only doing it in service of upholding racist norms. You don’t have to continue to defend it, you can acknowledge that it could cause a community harm and move on with your life by avoiding the harmful behavior. Changing the way you speak might seem annoying or like an imposition, but if you think that racism is harmful and want to challenge it by being anti-racist, ultimately people have to change the way they think, speak, and behave… but it is a good change. Embrace it.

    DrRatso ,

    On you go with the imaginary argument. I am not with you so I must be against you, right? I do not have and never did have a problem with getting rid of the word.

    I will reitterate that the only problem I have is with the stinking garbage heap called hexbear.

    immuredanchorite ,

    It is so interesting because I was engaging with you in a good faith, laying out an argument about why this might be more straightforward then you are letting on. But you called my argument imaginary and then called the instance I am a part of a garbage heap? Who is being uncivil?

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  • Awoo ,

    There isn’t any fucking nuance.

    There is us pointing out something is racist.

    There are racists claiming it is not.

    There are racists claiming that the people calling you racist are being abusive for doing so.

    That’s it. That’s the discussion. And you look pathetic for it. You were on the side of every other word I mentioned earlier too.

    ruckblack ,

    Boy I can’t wait for instance blocking

    jackmarxist ,
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    AOCapitulator ,
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    we were being racist very calmly and politely!

    Go eat some grass nerd

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  • MorelaakIsBack ,

    when a conservative gets unreasonably triggered they are 5-15x more likely to start projecting

    mothers milk dripping off their lips

    this is very evocative dr ratso, would you like to talk some more about your relationship with your mother? thonk

    kristina ,

    weird of you to think of breastmilk, anything you want to tell us homelander

    HornyOnMain ,
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    complains about a lack of civility

    Immediately calls a hexbear user a troglodyte and misgenders them (despite them very obviously having their pronouns in their name like all hexbear users) after being called out for racism

    thinking-about-it I wonder what social views this person could possibly have

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    DrRatso ,

    I see no pronouns in names on my end boss.

    HornyOnMain ,
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    DrRatso ,

    WefWef shows only the username.

    DrRatso ,
    AcidSmiley ,
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    doubt

    lol stfu you dweebs whine about our pronouns all day long

    DrRatso ,
    AcidSmiley ,
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    Ok, so you’re not necessarily a transphobe, but just another of this string of month-old accounts who has barely been active on this site at all beyond throwing a tantrum about hexbear users “coming in and ruining everything”.

    DrRatso ,

    Well I’d vager it is because we come to lemmy to escape reddit and all we see is hexbear users coming in and ruining everything. I mean as I stated earlier, even blahaj considering defedding from hexbear should be telling of the state of affairs. If that community has a problem with you, and that does not raise any flags, idk what does.

    AcidSmiley ,
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    even blahaj considering defedding from hexbear should be telling of the state of affairs

    I don’t want to go all “well akshually” here, but actually we defedded from blahaj because the community is largely made up of r/196 users who post transphobic chaser shit without getting banned by the mods there. Yes, of course these people also have a problem with us because they’re rabid anti-communists, but we defedded form them because they’re a bunch of sex pests fetishizing and objectifying trans people and thinking it’s ok to make demands about which genitals we’re allowed to have to please their fetishes. Why should we stay federated with an instance like that?

    DrRatso ,

    And again, I have nothing against the core values of hexbear, I sympathise with most of them, including communism, but every time I see hexbear out in the wild it is a screaming match blown out of proportion. If anyone ever appears to be having a tantrum, it seems to be hexbear users 9/10 times for not getting their way the moment they opened their mouth.

    AcidSmiley ,
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    BTW you’re the one typing frothing-at-the-mouth replies to everybody commenting on your post. Maybe you’re not one to talk about screaming matches and tantrums.

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  • DrRatso ,

    Lmao, is that supposed to hurt my feelings?

    But wait. Hold your horses there mr inclusivity. Is that a fatshaming insult?

    JuneFall , (edited )

    Your comment does not belong in this subreddit. It does not add to the topic, if you think comments don’t fit in the community do report them and move on.

    Edit You also are quite a new user to the lemmy-verse from this month (compared to multiple year old users posting to you), which mostly is reducing the quality on communities on one hand and also got quite a few comments deleted. I urge you to read up on nettiquette and change your attitude if you want to be a positive contributing influence to this community.

    DrRatso ,

    Right, because hexbear coming in shitting on everyone and calling an entire community racist for unwittingly using a racist term in a context fairly removed from the original meaning is so helpful to discourse. Im only returning blows in kind. And I am so terribly sorry ye ole lemmy wizard, for speaking out of turn. Ill wait so I can speak with the rest of us, younglings.

    NephewAlphaBravo ,

    “It’s not common knowledge that this term has racist origins, but it does and we should stop using it” == “Y’all racist”

    yes thanks

    DrRatso ,

    Yes, clearly, that is the cool an levelheaded contributions hexbear brought to this thread. Absolutely no gaslighting here.

    NephewAlphaBravo ,

    idk man I’m just reading OP and the only thing called “racist” is the word itself

    DrRatso ,

    I never had a single problem with OP itself, the sauce is in the comments.

    AcidSmiley ,
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    Nobody has called the entire community racist, the callouts have been exclusively to people like you defending a term that obviously plays with one of the most common racial stereotypes about East Asians. Taking a racist term out of context doesn’t make the term not racist, it only means that a still racist term has gained even wider use.

    DrRatso ,

    Again I have personally not once defended the use of the term, I have only ever attacked hexbear code of conduct. I even stated that I am for not using it in a since (mod) removed comment. I thought the term was dumb even before I (like most of this comm) found out about the origins through this thread. The only context in which I have defended it is in this convo and only in the aspect of the response it has gotten from hexbear, which if you don’t feel is entirely disproportionate, we have nothing more to talk about.

    AcidSmiley ,
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    Again I have personally not once defended the use of the term

    You’re straight-up lying, kiddo.

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  • AcidSmiley ,
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    It’s mommy, please edit your post while i look up your defense of racism in the modlogs. I’d have to report you for purposefully leaving up a misgendering otherwise and i don’t think your account will survive that after all these comments have already been removed.

    DrRatso ,

    Lmao, I won’t idulge your powertrip, which at this point is blatant. I might have if you had actually asked nicely not through a thinly veiled threat. If it doesn’t survive your report, so be it. Let the record show I included both versions because I had no clue what your pronouns are and I don’t think your infantilizing response warrants any more respect from me than that.

    AcidSmiley ,
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    I retract my statement, of course you’re also a transphobe besiodes being a racist, a diaper fetishist and the most pathetic pencil-headed dweeb i’ve seen since federation began.

    DrRatso ,

    Quote up on those racist claims there buddy (that one is gender neutral, afaik).

    DrRatso ,

    Oh, and those transphobe claims too.

    AcidSmiley ,
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    BTW this really isn’t a good look for somebody who’s already revealed their breastfeeding fetish, maybe you want to cut that part out entirely.

    DrRatso ,

    Your fantasies of my breastfeeding fetish really dont phase me.

    AcidSmiley ,
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    lol stfu diaper boy

    DrRatso ,

    Wow, way to show your true colors :D Its pretty funny I have seen attempts at me to kinkshame and fatshame from the civil inclusivity instance.

    valentino ,

    new world vocabulary.

    lmao

    Awoo ,

    Not sure I understand the joke?

    supert ,

    This is an example of the American cultural imperialism someone else was whining about above. In the UK a f@ggot is a type of food. There are adverts on the telly for it. A fag is a cigarette. Gypsy is not necessarily perjorative (it appears as a category on the census). Not sure what tr*p is, but if it’s tramp, that’s a homeless person. Also, a fanny is ladybits.

    ksynwa , (edited )
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    Is f____t not used as a pejorativeslur for gay men in the UK?

    supert ,

    I’ve not heard it used so, but I imagine younger folk might use it that way, since we adopt US culture so much.

    supert ,

    I must revise my earlier reply. Watching a documentary about George Michael, it seems it was a current and offensive slur in the UK even decades ago. Apparently my childhood was sheltered from homophobia.

    sapient_cogbag ,
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    tr*p

    This is generally a censor of the word “trap”. While it obviously has several non-slur meanings, it is also used as an extremely visceral anti-trans (and in particular, anti-transfem) slur :/

    The implication is that transfem people are “secretly gay men trapping straight men into being attracted to them”. It is associated with simultaneous sexualisation, homophobia, and transphobia >.<. If someone called me that IRL I would be seriously worried for my safety, as that’s often the kind of thing people would say before either raping or killing or injuring a transfem person for “”“threatening”“” their fragile sexuality, then using the trans panic defense.

    The term got it’s start on 4chan, and people used it for femboy characters in anime (who are often poorly translated and may actually be trans in a lot of cases), but the kind of dehumanisation aspect of it means it very very quickly became a viscious anti-trans slur :/

    supert ,

    Ah, thanks.

    snausagesinablanket , to showerthoughts in Since nobody likes calling it X, why don't we call the platform "ex-twitter"? That way it's technically true, and everybody knows what you're talking about.
    @snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world avatar

    How about we ghost it until it becomes irrelevant instead.

    Peddlephile , to asklemmy in What's a scam that's so normalized that we don't even realize it's a scam anymore?

    Private health insurance.

    Banks.

    mats , to asklemmy in What's a scam that's so normalized that we don't even realize it's a scam anymore?

    Windows. You pay ~100€ just to give your personal data to MS and get a bloated OS that will use all of your resources. Even MacOS is a more fair deal than this.

    fubo ,

    And then it shows you ads, too!

    original_reader ,

    I agree that it’s not great that telemetry is shared, but to say that you buy it “just” to share your data is an exaggeration. I am sure you do useful things with it.

    That said, yes, it is bloated and I wish you could really turn off all telemetry. Am totally with you on that.

    Blimp7990 ,

    please enumerate the services you would disable:

    and the telemetry you would remove:

    asyncrosaurus ,
    Blimp7990 ,

    whats this, a mystery application I should run as admin?

    I bet you’re the type to follow the docker install instructions*, arent you?

    *ie download and execute random untrusted scripts from the internet because this is somehow how you install docker.

    corsicanguppy ,

    Heh. You. I like you.

    Blimp7990 ,

    <333

    pascal ,

    God I hate Docker. It’s a great system for lazy devs to NOT learn how to deploy software.

    (I love LXC containers and QEMU, tho)

    AntEater ,
    @AntEater@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    As a long time working the ops side of things as a Unix/Linux admin, I love docker with k8s. The devs. can have whatever kind of ignorant environment setup they want. As long as the final image passes security, is up to date, and I can define the deployment parameters, it’s 100% on them how well it works in production.

    nik282000 ,
    @nik282000@lemmy.ml avatar

    Docker is awesome for real production environments but trains home users to just copy/paste/enter random shit from the internet.

    Blimp7990 ,

    yeah, and it makes it much much much worse if something goes wrong because theres a whole layer of stuff you have to understand (and even just knowing how to do basic stuff like reading logs, passing in configs, opening ports requires you learn how to do that, simple as it may be). I try to only use stuff I can install/configure on the base OS.

    pascal ,

    As I said, not a fan of Docker, but 8ks are really interesting and I want to learn more. I like especially the fact I can configure “pods” (is that the right term?) that multiply over different containers and hardware based on load and demand. The idea of a self-replicating swarm of threads is fascinating to me.

    But using a docker to run mariadb and another docker to run a photo app and another docker to run a web server that connects over a docker network… and all this runs inside a VM, it’s wasted overhead to me. Especially today where everyone can run proxmox and vmware at home for free.

    nik282000 ,
    @nik282000@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’ve found my people!

    asyncrosaurus ,

    Oh wow, aren’t you a cranky bitch. I didn’t say you "should " do anything, I linked a tool I’ve constantly been told good things about.

    I bet you’re the type to follow the docker install instructions*, arent you?

    You know what they say about when you assume, you turn out to be an ignorant dipshit.

    Blimp7990 ,

    Oh wow, aren’t you a cranky bitch

    yes

    Blimp7990 ,

    Oh wow, aren’t you a cranky bitch. I didn’t say you "should " do anything, I linked a tool I’ve constantly been told good things about.

    
    <span style="color:#323232;">I bet you’re the type to follow the docker install instructions*, arent you?
    </span>
    

    You know what they say about when you assume, you turn out to be an ignorant dipshit.

    please enumerate the services you would disable:

    and the telemetry you would remove:

    nik282000 ,
    @nik282000@lemmy.ml avatar

    I bet you’re the type to follow the docker install instructions*, arent you?

    Thank you, I think the Cult of Docker does more harm than good for the selfhosting community in the long run as it encourages copy/paste admins. Manually installing services in LXC gives you all the advantages of Docker plus the full control of a VM or bare metal install.

    spagnod ,

    Linux distros: veggie

    ferralcat ,

    You can download windows (direct from Ms) for free now. Does that make it better?

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    But then you can’t change the wallpaper! THE WALLPAPER!

    pirrrrrrrr ,

    Wait… You paid for Windows? And it was version 8 or newer?

    Blimp7990 ,

    Wait… You paid for Windows?

    lolol, agreed

    i am still on my university’s site license. windows vista site license.

    nik282000 ,
    @nik282000@lemmy.ml avatar

    WTF, am I the only person to have bought W10? Steam on Linux is just good enough now that my next gaming build will be Debian (or some derivative).

    Blimp7990 ,

    am I the only person to have bought W10?

    yep

    gens ,

    Last time i paid for windows was 98se. And xp, but that was a blatant illegal copy (from a legit store, with new laptop). Back then it was far too expensive, but still worth it compared to win1x now.

    The_Mixer_Dude ,

    I’ve owned probably 45 computers or more in my life and I’ve never paid Microsoft for shit. Saying Windows is a scam is rather stupid, you can literally disable telemetry and it’s still the best OS available right now regardless of your emotions.

    finestnothing ,

    What makes it the best os? Even without telemetry, it has a huge memory and CPU footprint from a bunch of bloat services running, restricts/blocks functionality even from admin users, and is very inflexible. The only thing that kept me having a windows partition was gaming - but now a vast majority of games (and other software without official Linux support) can be played with wine/proton. My PC idles at 0%-2% CPU usage and about 6 GB of ram, and basically all of that ram comes from me self hosting a good number of docker containers. And even that aside, windows collects data from a lot more than just the telemetry option

    Blimp7990 ,

    you do know you want high ram usage, right? like, not too high, but you want a good amount used for speed. personally, i find the windows portions of my computer take up very few resources. Firefox? a shitton. Nextcloud? More than I would have imagined possible. But windows? not…really. This isn’t 2005 anymore, bud: linux is less secure than windows (less targeted, and virus devs have the same issues as any other devs as getting their virus to run on linux, but still less secure). linux has a solid 10% fps drop in games still according to benchmarks i can find. Linux still requires weird sigils to make the whole system work, and with the most “user friendly” os you still have to relearn how the fuck gnome is supposed to work.

    don’t get me wrong, windows has many many many faults, and linux has many many benefits, but on a sliding scale none of windows’ faults come close to the challenges I’ve experienced with even the most linux-friendly of the classic laptop vendors (ie lenovo, not system76).

    corsicanguppy ,

    linux is less secure than windows

    I’ll want to see the math on this one.

    Blimp7990 ,

    i have to be very honest here and say that I dont have sufficient technical depth to verify the claims here, just that the claims seem fairly convincing to me. if you have a fair rebuttal i will absolutely read it. madaidans-insecurities.github.io/linux.html

    The_Mixer_Dude ,

    Memory you aren’t using is wasted memory. You should really look into understanding super fetch and the reason Windows “wastes” memory, reality is it’s sitting files that have common usage in memory so it isn’t constantly pulling them from drives. I mean just the fact that people are running Windows 11 smoothly on Chromebooks with 32gb of emmc 1.5ghz processors and 2gb of memory stands to make your entire statement pretty silly.

    jemorgan ,

    Of the three major desktop operating systems, windows is by far the worst.

    The only advantage windows has is that Microsoft’s monopolistic practices in the 90s and 00s made it the de-facto OS for business to furnish employees with, which resulted in it still having better 3rd party software support than the alternatives.

    As an OS, it’s hard to use, doesn’t follow logical convention’s, is super opinionated about how users should interact with it, and is missing basic usability features that have been in every other modern OS for 10+ years. It’s awesome as a video game console, barely useable as an adobe or autodesk machine, but sucks as a general purpose OS.

    corsicanguppy ,

    hard to use, doesn’t follow logical convention’s, is super opinionated about how users should interact with it, and is missing basic usability features that have been in every other modern OS for 10+ years

    Now do iOS and macOS!

    corm ,

    What’s wrong with mac OS? It’s been working for my developer laptops without any big issues for a decade.

    Sure I prefer linux, but OSX is infinitely better than dealing with the BS I had to put up with when I worked in a .NET shop.

    A functional terminal, docker works well with virtual networks, and brew exists.

    jemorgan ,

    Sure.

    MacOS is an excellent workspace operating system, largely due to its near-POSIX compliance and the fact that it has access to the enormous body of tools developed for UNIX-like OSs. For development work in particular, it can use the same free and open source software, configured in the same way, that Linux uses. Aside from the DE, a developer could swap between Linux and MacOS and barely realize it. Everything from Node, to Clang, to openJDK, to Rust, along with endless ecosystems of tooling, is installable in a consistent way that matches the bulk of online documentation. This is largely in contrast to Windows, where every piece of the puzzle will have a number of gotchas and footguns, especially when dealing with having multiple environments installed.

    From a design perspective, MacOS is opinionated, but feels like it’s put together by experts in UX. Its high usability is at least partially due to its simplicity and consistency, which in my opinion are hallmarks of well-designed software. MacOS also provides enough access through the Accessibility API to largely rebuild the WM, so those who don’t like the defaults have options.

    The most frequent complaint that I hear about MacOS is that x feature doesn’t work like it does in windows, even though the way that x feature works in windows is steaming hot garbage. Someone who’s used to Windows would probably need a few hours/days to become as fluent with MacOS, depending on their computer literacy.

    People also complain about the fact that MacOS leverages a lot of FOSS software, while keeping their software closed-source and proprietary. I agree with this criticism, but I don’t think it has anything to do with how usable MacOS is.

    I’m not going to start a flame war about mobile OSs because I don’t use a mobile OS as my primary productivity device (and neither should you, but I’m not your mom). The differences between mobile OSs are much smaller, and are virtually all subjective.

    You’re welcome.

    The_Mixer_Dude ,

    Everything you just said is just… So incorrect. I don’t even know where to begin. With just saying it’s difficult to use, like what the hell are you on? How disillusioned are you that you actually feel that is a true statement?? If anything is the only OS using logical conventions, just in the simple concept of it being the most well known and common is in the world for desktop use.

    I don’t even know how to start with the basic usability functions that you claim are missing but as a long time Linux user I’m very interested to see what examples you give because I’m sure everyone is interested.

    jemorgan ,

    Having the highest market share doesn’t mean that windows uses logical conventions, it just means that lots of people are accustomed to the conventions that it uses. The vast majority of professionals that I’ve interacted with strongly dislike having to work on a windows machine once they’ve been exposed to anything else.

    Off of the top of my head, the illogical conventions that Windows uses are: storing application and OS settings together in an opaque and dangerous, globally-editable database (the registry), obfuscating the way that disks are mounted to the file system, using /cr/lf for new lines, using a backslash for directory mappings, not having anything close to a POSIX compatible scripting language, the stranglehold that “wizards” have on the OS at every level, etc. ad nausium. Most of these issues are due to Microsoft deciding to reinvent the wheel instead of conforming to existing conventions. Some of the differences are only annoying because they pick the exact opposite convention that everyone else uses (path separators, line endings), and some of them are annoying because they’re an objectively worse solution than what exists everywhere else (the registry, installation/uninstallation via wizards spawned by a settings menu).

    For basic usability functions, see the lack of functional multi-desktop support 20 years after it became mainstream elsewhere. There is actually no way to switch one monitor to a 2nd workspace without switching every monitor, which makes the feature worse than useless for any serious work. In addition to that, window management in general is completely barebones. Multitasking requires you to either click on icons every time you want to switch a window, or cycle through all of your open windows with alt-tab. The file manager is kludgy and full of opinionated defaults that mysteriously only serve to make it worse at just showing files. The stock terminal emulator is something out of 1995, the new one that can be optionally enabled as a feature is better, but it still exposes a pair of painful options for shells. With WSL, the windows terminal suddenly becomes pretty useful, but having to use a Linux abstraction layer just serves to support the point that windows sucks.

    I could go on and on all day, I’m a SWE with a decade of experience using Linux, 3 decades using Windows, and a few years on Mac here and there. I love my windows machine at home… as a gaming console. Having to do serious work in windows is agonizing.

    The_Mixer_Dude ,

    Lol I guess you haven’t used Windows in a very very long time

    jemorgan ,

    I use windows for ~10 hours per day, 5 or 6 days per week because my team is currently maintaining a legacy .NET framework codebase. I’m sure there are people on earth who use windows more than I do, but I think it’s extremely unlikely that you’re one of them.

    BubblyMango ,

    You cant disable all telemetry for “security reasons”.

    corsicanguppy ,

    If it was included in something, that’s still a purchase.

    blindsight ,

    If you build your own computer, it’s not included in anything. Pretty easy to do, too.

    The_Mixer_Dude ,

    And if it wasn’t?

    mobyduck648 ,
    @mobyduck648@beehaw.org avatar

    Microsoft literally used to make it part of their OEM agreement that manufacturers couldn’t bundle their machines with anything but Windows, you’ve paid for it in the form of reduced competition in the OS market.

    Zarxrax , to nostupidquestions in Is America Really That Bad?

    It varies from person to person and place to place. But generally, I would say that America is a pretty good place, but not perfect and has a lot of room for improvement.

    Yes, healthcare is expensive, but we have some government programs to provide cheaper care for certain groups, like the very poor, the elderly, and veterans.

    Violence varies from place to place, but I feel like I live in a safe area, and I have never seen or heard a gun fired at someone in a public place.

    A lot of the bad laws typically involve disenfranchising certain minority groups. I am lucky enough to not be affected by most of this, and a lot of people are fighting back against it by trying to vote in better politicians.

    sibe ,

    I have never seen or heard a gun fired at someone in a public place

    Feels weird you have to specify “at someone” and “in a public place”. I’ve never heard a gun fired outside of firing ranges (EU)

    TheHottub ,
    @TheHottub@lemmy.world avatar

    American here. Lived in California most of my life just outside LA in suburbs. Ventura as well. Lived in Tennessee for 2 years and Idaho 2. I’ve seen people open carry a few times. I own a gun and I’ve never seen or heard a gun fired outside of a gun range. I’m 40 btw. It’s not that bad here. It’s big and there are a lot of people so the news has tons of opportunities to present the worst of humanity which makes up a small percentage.

    Blaidd ,

    There’s also the fact that US media wants to show this bad stuff because it helps keep people afraid of the world around them and makes them easier to manipulate.

    jwiggler ,
    @jwiggler@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I live in a small city about an hour away from a major city. I’m also an hour away from what I would call the boonies – rural, remote areas where owning guns and open carrying is normal. In fact, I’ve seen open carry around here, in the city, quite a bit. It’s pretty normal around here.

    I heard a shooting happen in the suburbs near my house when I was a kid. It’s what’s considered the “nice” part of town. An old woman walking her dog was killed. I heard the shot through my bedroom window. Only til I moved into the inner part of the city did I witness guns being shot in the city more often. Most of the times you hear pops, it’s fireworks. A couple times, it’s been guns. Those couple times are pretty freaky.

    Every once in awhile I’ll walk past a crime scene downtown, usually something happened like a stabbing the night before. One day I scrolled through reddit and saw a video – a point-blank execution had occured outside the club down the road. That one was disturbing. I think the kid is going to jail for a long time.

    The inner part of this particular city is not as safe as the suburbs, but for the most part you should be okay, as long as you’re not looking to start trouble. When I’m walking around town, especially the immediate area I live, my eyes are open. At night, they’re wide open.

    WorldWideLem ,

    This would cover things like hunting and/or target practice at a home or private property, so not entirely that weird.

    Alenalda ,

    Live in a suburban area. Several of my neighbors have 5+ acres of land. One of them has a makeshift range, so I hear someone shooting all the time, sometimes for hours on end day after day. I’m not thrilled by it.

    PickTheStick ,

    Your neighbor must be rich.

    Alenalda ,

    Them being loaded in more ways than one doesn’t make me feel any better about it. This coming from a gun owning liberal. I don’t just go around shooting it off in my back yard several times a week.

    vis4valentine , (edited ) to explainlikeimfive in What's the deal with Linus tech tips?
    @vis4valentine@lemmy.ml avatar
    • A YouTube channel named “Gamers Nexus” made a video criticisms about LTT hardware Review process.
    • Due to having the pressure to make videos as quickly as possible, the quality control of hardware reviews has suffered, even with the Lab they assembled for testing hardware and presenting detailed benchmarks.
    • A startup sent Linux a watercooling prototype to review, but they tried it on a video card it was not designed for, giving bad results.
    • Then the “sold” the prototype apparently without the full approval of the creators.
    • Linus was dismissive at first, but now the company has responded and said will take quality control more seriously.
    • Now an ex employee named Madison came out telling basically that there is a Guy Bros type culture on LTT, where they made inappropriate comments to her, affecting her mental health, overloading her with work because she had the “funny job” of social media managment, and even verbally abused her. Some instances can be considered sexual harassment.
    • The new CEO of LTT said he was “shocked” by these revelations and will hire an external investigator.
    MossyFeathers ,

    “”“shocked!”“”

    Also, she claims she had to slash open her leg in order to take a day off without being harassed for it.

    vis4valentine ,
    @vis4valentine@lemmy.ml avatar

    I can believe the new CEO is surprised since he just stepped in (including the previous months of negotiations) but obviously there are things that Linus hasn’t told him. And since most of the important people at the company are Linus year long friends, they had covered each other up.

    And yeah, self harming to take a sick leave is fucked up, pretty sure denying sick leave to an employee in Canada is ilegal since there they actually give a shit about labour laws.

    joe ,
    @joe@lemmy.world avatar

    As I understand it, she wasn’t “denied” it, technically, she was harassed and belittled and made to feel like a bad person for taking it.

    Maybe the law in Canada can still be used? I hope so.

    bionicjoey ,

    Canadian labour laws are trash. Better than America’s sure, but still trash compared to many other countries.

    CodeGameEat ,

    It depends on the province. Usually labor laws should be a provincial power, although there is some federal laws too. Like here in Quebec our labor laws are generally quite good. No idea what it’s like in BC tho, it’s generally a more economic-right leaning province so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s bad.

    vis4valentine ,
    @vis4valentine@lemmy.ml avatar

    Also, lets remember that when activison Blizzard got shit about the gigantic amounts of sexual harassment allegations, they pulled a “we investigates ourselves and found we did nothing wrong” and is still avoiding being investigates by independents.

    Immediatly jumping to hire an external investigator is a good move from the CEO, given how low the bar is.

    Arbiter ,

    Yeah, it really is the best thing he could do in this scenario.

    MajorHavoc ,

    I do remember. I would be playing Diablo IV right now if not for their bro culture crap. Oh well.

    zacher_glachl ,

    Sorry but that sounds like bullshit. There is no logical sequence of actions leading from “your employer being an asshole” into “you having to slash your leg open” which wouldn’t first pass through “handing in your notice”. Unless you are a literal slave.

    Doug ,

    I don’t know what country you live in but are they accepting immigration?

    Im_old ,

    Had a shit boss and company owner years ago (and they were two different people, just to be clear). I was mid-senior in my field. At last straw of incompetence and greed I looked for a new job. Handed over my resignation two weeks later. Work in IT, live in Europe. Don’t take shit.

    Doug ,

    Would love to emigrate to Europe myself. Familial and social reasons make that difficult. A lack of funds make it unfeasible. So for the foreseeable future I’ve gotta deal with the crap I’ve got.

    Aceticon ,

    In my experience, in Europe also, it really depends on the country, how senior you are and whether what you do inside IT is in high demand or not.

    A junior/mid-level level social media marketing person in, for example, the UK, isn’t going to have the same de facto possibility to tell them “screw you” and quit, as a senior systems designer-developer in, say, Germany.

    Mind you, even in the UK, if said junior/mid-level social media marketing person is a permanent employee, he or she will have way, WAY, WAY more legal rights than in the US.

    zacher_glachl , (edited )

    But honestly, explain how this makes sense please. Why would anyone physically harm themselves to be able to stay with a company that’s apparently filled with assholes anyway. Money? There’s no paycheck large enough to make me slash my leg for it (edit: well, of course not none whatsoever…but nothing within an order of magnitude of a realistic salary). And surely unemployment benefits must be a thing in Canada too to keep you alive while looking for another job (in case you really feel you have to leave before finding something else).

    Doug ,

    I can’t speak for Canada but the American unemployment system is broken like the rest of them are. It won’t pay enough for a lot of people. I know more than one person who wouldn’t get it at all after they got screwed over on an appeal which meant that they had to pay back what they were already sent, often many weeks later. If it’s not paid back then you just won’t receive unemployment until it is.

    There’s also fields it can be hard to break in to. They tend to be small and insular so getting a bad rep from one can blackball you from your dreams. Doubly so or more if you’re a women or otherwise not a straight white Christian guy.

    Cutting is also not an uncommon mental health issue. With any number of other things weighing down it can easily become a more reasonable seeming option.

    There’s a whole world of experiences out there. A lot of people are desensitized to things you’d probably find outlandish.

    Government_Worker666 ,

    Humans are emotional beings. Working for LTT is a dream job for lots of people in the industry including Madison. She was told to tough it out by numerous people (managers/coworkers) and that’s what she was trying to do until she broke and had to come up with an excuse that they would have to accept.

    zacher_glachl , (edited )

    Right, but still nobody is forcing you to continue in a job which it turns out is not a good fit for you. I for my part would consider working on SpaceX rockets a dream job but I know I need at least 16h of downtime every day and a weekend, so that is just not gonna happen.

    And even if other company cultures are not as mercifully transparent, IMHO complaining about having to mutilate yourself when you could have just as well simply quit and not mutilate yourself is a bit much.

    edit: And I’m not saying a company with this sigma grindset bullshit work culture is perfectly fine. It’s not! That’s why it makes even less sense to me to pour your lifeblood into it when this crap doesn’t suit you.

    Government_Worker666 ,

    She didn’t “complain” about harming herself. Nobody is asking what you would do in this situation. Somebody reiterated what she said and you called it bullshit. I was simply giving you the context of the situation. You’re going to have a bad time in life if you expect everyone to act logically. Hell even your responses are emotional. I would suggest you read her messages

    Aceticon ,

    “Hell even your responses are emotional.”

    It’s the greatest irony of all: pure logic would dictate there is no point in keeping on disputing this in the face on negative feedback and with nothing to gain from it.

    In fact pure logic would dictate there is no point in commenting in social media if it’s not going to lead to some concrete upside for the one commenting.

    Lakija ,

    If you are in enough mental distress self harm starts looking like a real good idea as an excuse to not go to work. Of course it’s not logical or reasonable. It’s a reaction to stress. It’s an irrational intrusive thought.

    If I hadn’t experienced something similar I would feel a little skeptical. :(

    magnusrufus ,

    Right, no one has ever hurt or even killed themselves because they couldn’t handle the stress of their job…

    Vlhacs ,

    Want to quickly point out that this whole thing was probably prompted by LTT’s Lab folks (who’s responsible for testing I guess), publicly name-dropping Gamers Nexus when comparing how their own testing methodology was seemingly better.

    BlinkAndItsGone ,

    Yeah, most of the answers here seem to miss that part. The LMG lab tech also called out Hardware Unboxed, who responded via Twitter, got flamed by Linus’s fans, and that was the end of it. But it sounds like Gamers Nexus was already sick of LMG’s shit and that clip was the last straw.

    red ,

    They actually sent the matching card together with the prototype but apparently LTT lost the card and just decided to use another, incompatible one.

    1984 , to fediverse in Lemmy.world announces blocking communities via Discord [update]
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    Discord is pretty much against everything the open web is about. Closed source and proprietary protocols… Probably tons of data mining of users as well.

    gabe ,

    Not even probably, there is.

    mog77a ,

    Probably? Nah, they legit advertise what their users do. Seemingly increasingly so.

    Discord has “drops” (in beta for over a year now to be fair as it wasn’t super popular), aka the status snippet that shows when and what app you’re using gets shared with developers. Basically, what you do on your system gets logged. You can opt out of that, of course, but still they do collect it. Pretty sure they also stored calls and screen recordings at some point (for convenience reasons of course), but there are now too many users for that. At least, I think they no longer do that. But every single thing you type into discord is logged and can be traced back to you with perfect accuracy.

    McNasty ,

    Including the parts you type out and don’t post.

    Chriszz ,

    Awaiting the fall of discord once it goes full anti consumer

    cow ,
    @cow@lemmy.world avatar

    I can’t believe some subreddits migrated to discord in protest over third party apps when discord will ban you if you try to use 3rd party apps.

    Tag365 ,
    @Tag365@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait what? Why does it ban you if you use third party applications to use it?

    cow ,
    @cow@lemmy.world avatar
    deluxeparrot , to piracy in Anyone who downloaded the GOG Baldur's Gate 3 release from 1337x, scan with Malwarebytes asap!

    For gog games you can check the digital signature on the installer to make sure it’s legit. It should be signed by GOG.

    https://feddit.uk/pictrs/image/1634f848-584f-4fc2-9fe7-e519c3262218.png

    Emanuel , to fediverse in Is lemmy growth coming to a halt?

    I think it’s as you say. Lemmy’s growth is going to happen in waves, until it has reached a critical mass that sustains its own “weight”, in terms of growth.

    You have to remember that this is no commercial platform, with little advertisement, which is made by its own users. Growth is bound to be slow, at first.

    Dave ,
    @Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

    Not only that, we want it to be slow. Being a server admin at the moment is racing from fire to fire. The Lemmy software needs to mature a bit before it will be ready for the less-technical users.

    itadakimasu ,
    @itadakimasu@lemmy.world avatar

    As a user I disagree. But I do understand your side

    CaptainAniki ,

    As someone running their own instance - its still VERY rough.

    Dave ,
    @Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

    I’m sorry you’re getting downvoted, it’s perfectly reasonable to want more content and it seems reasonable that more users would bring that content.

    However, a massive number of new users (rather than slower organic growth) probably won’t bring what you want. Because there are massive issues that many people will not put up with.

    As an example, Lemmy.world recently had an administrator account broken into because of a problem in the code that meant accounts could be compromised (any account) by viewing a page. Lemmy has never had a professional security review (they are super expensive).

    Another example, if a user tries to delete their account (or if an admin tries to ban and remove all the content of a spam bot), the site will freeze for all users, it will start showing them an error page until the operation has completed or (more likely) the operation is killed by server admin or automated stabilty software. The bug report has a lot of commentary on the cause but doesn’t seem to have clear direction on how to fix it.

    And yet another, Hot and Active sorting are still messed up for old posts recently federated, which means you get months or years old posts showing near the top even if they have no comments. This is luckily fixed in the upcoming release, but is an example of things that may turn away new users.

    There are still massive performance issues. Currently the large sites are throwing money at the problem, using powerful hardware to attempt to mitigate this. But Lemmy has something like 100,000 active users across the whole network. If this was 1,000,000 you’d hope there was more content, but what you’d probably get is a site that won’t load.

    We have to remember that 2 months ago, there were about 1000 monthly active users. This is already a massive growth in a short time, and many volunteers are working hard to try to improve Lemmy and increase performance to be able to scale to more users. But 2 months is a short timeframe for new contributors to learn how the code works, work out ways to improve it, write that code, test it, and release it with confidence that it’s stable. In reality not all these steps happen and new bugs are introduced (such as the account takeover one) so we really don’t want to rush into more users.

    With that said, we also want to be seen as an alternative to reddit. So when new rushes happen, we want to be ready for the influx and be able to handle the new users, we shouldn’t turn people away.

    mogul , to showerthoughts in If your shirt isn’t tucked into your pants, then your pants are tucked into your shirt.

    Not if I’m wearing a crop top and my pants are tucked under my belly.

    fkn ,

    21 days of lurking… And this is what you start with? God damn.

    Ikkou ,

    Being technically correct beats lurking any day

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