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gabe ,

The abuse potential this has feels quite concerning. You’ve just given kiwifarms a decentralized tool to host its stalking profiles on people.

gabe ,

Upload somewhere else (theres a bunch of images hosts) then make your post point to that image host. Federated instances just have to host the link, so it’s good for them too.

Those images are still cached as well as the thumbnails.

gabe OP ,

The front end is a work in progress but making significant headway. The lemmy frontend it has on the demo instance is just a placeholder, but the work has been progressing rapidly. I’ve thankfully been able to be there for it and provide input as I can.

gabe OP ,

You aren’t, it’s a weird issue with the activitypub plugin I am having. I’m contemplating removing the plugin itself due to this.

gabe OP ,

It is unfortunate that this is what you have decided to take away from the blog post instead of reflecting on the criticism I have provided. Instead of reflecting on my list of legitimate criticism you have decided to call me entitled and hone in on small aspects of the blog post in attempt to dismiss it completely. Per usual, it is everyone else that seems to be the problem but you. I outlined my own issues with lemmy after a LOT of patience and goodwill. That’s lost, and this comment solidifies further why I will switch away from lemmy as soon as I get the chance. Whether you decide to accept the points I have made is on you but ultimately your refusal to recognize the issues I have outlined will cause this project to fade away completely. And that’s really sad. I love lemmy as a project and an idea.

gabe OP ,

I removed the plugin causing the issue and cleared the cache.

gabe OP ,

That’s not the case at all. I have had disagreements with jgrim and will continue in the future. The difference in that differing opinions are open for discussion and are not immediately met with hostility or completely shutdown.

The lemmy devs are blatantly lying under this post, and I’m not engaging for the reason that I have better things to do than to argue with them and convince them to accept criticism they are clearly never going to be willing to hear. There’s more that goes beyond discussing and making github requests on this project, and a portion of this is based on interactions on the backend within matrix admin channels as well as watching interaction within the github repository itself as well. I have engaged heavily in the matrix chats amongst large lemmy instances on this stuff numerous times. My frustration is shared.

My issue isn’t that they aren’t doing what I want, it’s that they have such opinionated development that they seem truly incapable of taking criticism or feedback from others. Everyone is wrong or the problem except for them. All of the criticism I have laid out has been dismissed under this post as “false criticism” which exemplifies the frustration held. I recognize that this is a large project that requires a lot of energy and time that is difficult for hobbyists to engage in, but they actively push away other hobbyists who try to work on the project with them. I am one of them. All passion and desire to engage in this project is gone.

I am truly despondent about lemmy as a platform and simply login and engage when I feel the random spurt of energy to do so. Outside of that, I just monitor and moderate in the background. This blog post simply explains why. Take with it what you will. 🤷

gabe OP ,

I agree quite a bit with your second point, as someone who used to run a Minecraft server long long long ass it was quite bad.

And yeah, I think there will be solid reasons to get users to migrate. But for the most part it wont really be needed as instances themselves will be able to convert lemmy instances to sublinks instances eventually. It wont require much effort from users unless they want to switch instances entirely.

gabe OP ,

It can be a source of harassment to not be able to anonymize actions.

gabe OP ,

Do you run an instance or have you ever ran a fediverse instance before?

gabe ,

Welcome to the hell of being a lemmy admin. There’s a reason why lemmy admins are fed up with the developers.

gabe ,

For context, there’s a lot that goes on behind the scenes when it comes to lemmy admin stuff especially in the matrix channels. There is a significant frustration and lack of confidence in the lemmy developers at this point. Even those who try to contribute to the project get eventually feeling pushed out.

gabe ,

Just a bunch of Japanese script kiddies targetting the fediverse and its network for some reason. There’s active measures being taken and thankfully many instances are monitoring it pretty well.

gabe ,

Will there eventually be a means of converting lemmy instances over to sublinks? I know that inter instance software migration is a nightmare though.

gabe ,

Oh my God. This is really, really, REALLY bad. I know this looks like a useful tool but extending this to software that isn’t lemmy is going to make the rest of the fediverse enraged. Tools like these are used as active harassment vectors. Theres a reason why the other fediverse instances that make these tools are affiliated with kiwifarms. Seriously please consider disabling non-lemmy software interaction immediately!

gabe ,

There are aspects of the wider fediverse culture that is ignored on lemmy, and thankfully its lack of interoperability has helped it avoid trouble (for now). I’m really not sure how to explain to you how it could be used for harassment as it requires a bit of detailed background to how the wider fediverse functions and its history and I don’t really know if it would convince you if I did explain it in enough detail. Just because data is publicly scrape-able doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to do so.

gabe ,

Do you know what kiwifarms is? Just curious.

gabe ,

With Tumblr the bugs became features, so its only right for the fediverse version to do the same.

gabe ,

unironically loving the way it gives me a double notification on lemmy

gabe ,

i hope it is due to my library or cat posts and not my occasional cursed shitposts

gabe ,

Well, please make sure it respects post privacy at least but also realize that on the microblogging side of the fediverse, they may not take kindly to this prospect at all. People who start these kinds of projects are often harassed or at least receive passive hostility. Making it opt in instead out of opt out in some capacity is best.

gabe ,

That’s not how the fediverse functions and approaching it that way is a problem waiting to happen. I’m stating so as a warning to be mindful of the culture of the way the fediverse itself functions. This is not Reddit, we share the fediverse with other software with different uses and features and we need to be mindful of that especially when building these kinds of tools. Making it opt out not only places a burden on smaller instances but presents a potential harassment risk for instances with vulnerable people on other fediverse platforms. As well, it is contrary to the entire way specific other activitypub instances operate. The fediverse is like a city we share with others, if Lemmy is not mindful of that city’s culture then people will promptly give them the boot.

I’m not saying user by user opt in either, but instance by instance. Lemmy needs a tool of archiving especially. There is already cultural clashes I see occurring with the rest of the fediverse. Post like these of potential tools when it seems like the creator doesn’t know the messy history behind previous projects like them in the fediverse make me fearful of the clashes coming to fruition.

gabe ,

But they are correct. There are vulnerable groups of people who have a harassment risk against them. We share the fediverse with others, be mindful of that. Making a search engine or an archiver for lemmy is such a good idea with how it functions! but for the wider fediverse… that’s just directly contradictory to its culture unless it can be opted in by instance and users

gabe , (edited )

My matrix is open if you want/are actually interested in doing this in a way that won’t make the rest of the fediverse flip shit. I support this tools creation especially for lemmy, but if it isn’t done the right way it’ll be received poorly. Making it behave differently on lemmy compared to other software as well might be an idea too.

gabe ,

There are instances on the fediverse that have harassed people to their deaths before. So…

gabe ,

People will take the harassment off site especially if they are dedicated enough or use it to scrape for potential personal info to publicly release.

Hundreds storm airport in Russia in antisemitic riot over arrival of plane from Israel (apnews.com)

Hundreds of people stormed into the main airport in Russia’s Dagestan region and onto the landing field Sunday, chanting antisemitic slogans and seeking passengers arriving on a flight from Tel Aviv, Israel, Russian news agencies and social media reported....

gabe ,

Idk if this was wonky kbin federation or spam to start shit but posting it three times in a row isn’t going to lead to more people biting the bait

gabe ,

Literature.cafe is very much still here and we didn’t merge into .world nor close down, this software is for book tracking and book reviews :P

gabe ,

I would love a federated neopets clone, had an idea for a time for a federated gaia online style avatar website

gabe ,

Knitting my own garments (sweaters, scarfs, etc) has made me appreciate how long it really takes to make actually good clothing that’s meant to last. Thankfully more and more people are getting on board with the idea of “slow fashion”, with a significant amount of younger people especially during the pandemic picking up knitting and crochet as well as seeing more of the value it possesses than before.

gabe ,

Antisemitism. Welcome to being Jewish on the internet.

gabe ,

What the fuck? I looked at that title and thought there was no way I am reading this right, but yep I am.

gabe ,

Thank you.

gabe ,

Antisemitism explicitly refers to hatred of Jews, it’s a weird linguistics thing but its why when referring to antisemitism there isnt a dash (anti-semitism) as that would specifically refer to all semites as a whole (which palestinians are). It has roots to the specific phrase that was used in German to refer to hatred of Jews.

gabe ,

Mmm, there’s nuance there. It can be exploited to push antisemitism, but it isn’t inherently antisemitic.

gabe ,

As a Jew, I say this kindly as I possibly can but it very much is quite strong in the real world. I’ve experienced antisemitism numerous times over with people using antizionism as an excuse. Antisemitism is really bad and has risen in the past few years online and offline, and people with bad intentions absolutely exploit Israeli war crimes to justify their antisemitism. And it creates a shitty feedback loop as hardcore Zionists point to instances of antisemitism that’s in done under the guise of antizionism as “hey look see they hate us thats why we need zionism!”

gabe ,

Any group. Antisemitism is unfortunately a unique form of racism that can be perpetuated by anyone. It’s complicated, and it’s complexity makes it all the more frustrating. It’s not just a Nazi thing, it’s an anyone thing. Anyone can perpetuate antisemitism, not just Nazis. That’s why it’s such a prevalent form of bigotry across the world. It’s also prevalent not just in Europe but there is antisemitism that has been culturally common in the Middle East as well as it is in the West, most of it which predates Israels founding as a whole too. That doesn’t justify Israels bullshit and their fascist government. Jew’s are hated by nearly everyone, everywhere.

Because West media purposely masking Israel with the cloak of cultural protection given to Jews is often what I discuss with my friend and is fucking disgusting and a disservice to all of the innocent Jews.

This specifically is something to be very careful when stating, as it veers dangerously close into territory of “jews control the media” which is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. I know what you are trying to say and our intentions seem to be in good faith here, but I ask you to analyze that as it is one of those things that people may take in very bad faith.

www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/…/explained <- this is a good primer for it. It’s extremely complicated and there’s a reason why even in the US many well intentioned people don’t understand it either. It also doesn’t help that Israel uses legit examples of antisemitism to try and shield their war crimes from criticism.

gabe ,

Don’t attempt to explain my own peoples hatred to me. I know more than you as I’ve lived this, as a Jew who is explicitly not a Zionist and has faced antisemitism online and offline. Stop.

gabe ,

encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/…/antisemitism this article specifically and the series of it goes into detail more beyond that

gabe ,

You must not know much about german politics lol go to the wikipedia page for AFD

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