In this case, it decided that being helpful to the company was more important than its honesty.
It did no such thing. It doesn’t know what those things are. “LLM AI” is not a conscious thinking being and treating it like it is will end badly. Giving an LLM any responsibility to act on your behalf automatically is a crazy stupid idea at this point in time. There needs to be a lot more testing and learning about how to properly train models for more reliable outcomes.
It’s almost impressive how quickly humans seem to accept something as “human” just because it can form coherent sentences.
I don’t know why ppl cannot figure this out. What we are calling “AI” is just a machine putting words together based on what it has “seen” in its training data. It has no intelligence and has no intent. It just groups words together.
It’s like going into a library and asking the librarian to be a doctor. They can tell you what the books in the library say about the subject (and might even make up some things based on what they saw in a few episodes of House), but they cannot actual do the work of a doctor.
Forming coherent sentences puts it above large sections of the population. Eventually they’re going to have to dumb down the speech output, ala Dubya during his presidency. Add to that all the conditioning to trust authoritative sources and this is going to turn into a real problem sooner rather than later. I think one of the first things to come out that will really cause damage is replacing teachers with ai. If all those teachers out there would quit asking to make more money than a 12 year old in a meat packing plant, maybe this wouldn’t happen, but I digress… (Kudos to all the teachers out there, obviously.)
I’m not interested in their games either, my issue with it is that a lot of people are, and MS is trying their hardest to get a monopoly in the industry and/or turn everything into streaming-only subscription crap
That’s not what I meant and you’re literally wrong lol, incredible games are made every year. My problem with this is that Microsoft is trying to turn gaming into its corporate cloud-only monopoly.
Good games are still made, but the top shops, with respect to size and funding have priorities that aren’t aligned directly with enjoyment and story telling. There is a lot of requirement to be online, gambling addiction based mechanics, unfinished releases, MRR goals, and strong arm tactics by publishers for platform exclusivity. Perhaps I am literally wrong about my view, but it is my opinion nevertheless; wasn’t trying to start a debate.
User satisfaction is regularly an afterthought to profit, as is expected in capitalism but not always ideal for the consumer. And less competition doesn’t help.
It’s never been a better time to be a gamer. Fantastic games are a dime a dozen and consoles have never been nearly as powerful for low end games. It’s a fantastic time to be gaming.
Except Microsoft is building up a monopoly on gaming, buying what they can, consolidating its properties so they can then transition to a streaming-only model where nobody owns anything (I know you don’t technically “own” the games you buy either but at least you can have them on physical media to keep, back up or sell) and the only way to play anything is to pay a monthly subscription fee and to use only what Microsoft allows you to use (i.e. no more Linux gaming)
I don’t exclusively mean piracy, but also piracy isn’t theft because you’re not taking anything away from anyone, you’re making a copy of some files 🤷♀️
The notion that piracy is theft is capitalist bullshit designed to manipulate people’s emotions by equating a company not making as much profits as they theoretically could have to theft lol
Eh, I’m of the opinion when the old giants get stale or acquired into a grand corporate strategy new studios will spring up to fill the vacancy in the market.
Ignoring morals and ethics and focusing mostly on historic precedent?
Firebombing a few city blocks. Possibly letting the angry young soldiers run wild on the civilian populace under the guise of getting “justice” for the civilians that hamas brutalized.
That is more or less “war”. You raid one of my towns, I’ll raid two of yours. Ends when one side has been beaten into submission.
Actively attacking third party civilians is not. The IDF has a very long history of doing this.
I’d say anything post train you’re going to try to capture infrastructure to make war, so saying we’re sieging cities sounds more ancient to me.
If you read that post, you’ll see ‘foraging’ really meant robbing and brutalizing local populaces for their food since anything but the smallest sized army can’t feed itself for more than a few weeks. Not to mention once we are sieging a city and starving all the people out.
What are some modern examples of ‘letting your army run wild on the populace’? I know that happens quite a bit but I can’t think of any sanctioned ones unless we go to wwii Japan maybe? and that was more than a little wild. Seems like most of the time a platoon or w/e just goes berserker.
There is strategy and there is retaliation. Shockingly, retaliation usually results in a prolonged war and long term rebellion.
But if your goal is to hurt them for hurting you?
As for recent wars where soldiers commit horrific crimes against civillian populaces. Off the top of my head:
EVERY army in WW2. Japan took it down to a science but The Allies and the rest of The Axis were no saints
Vietnam with US soldiers commiting horrific atrocities against the Vietnamese people
Pretty much every civil war in Africa
The Yugoslav Wars
Russia’s actions in Ukraine (every time they invade)
It is mostly that the US shockingly went hard on stopping troops from those kinds of massacres during the various invasions of the Middle East. That isn’t to say we didn’t find OTHER horrible shit to do but…
I don’t think you can call My Lai ‘sanctioned’ or official even though it was done by a commissioned officer who was court martialed (but got off). Even then they gave the heli pilot that landed between US troops and a group of civilians about to get murdered a silver star – www.britannica.com/event/My-Lai-Massacre
Japan wwII definitely tactical and sanctioned but that one is weird because all of the military operated so independently.
I don’t know enough about your other examples. It makes sense though and I like the word you use ‘retaliation’
A good modern war planner isn’t going to waste energy on retaliation but when you get onto the ground and have a bunch of killers that don’t think of the enemy as all the way human (so you can convince them to do so much killing) retaliation would come up often. Also if you have some crazy strong man dictator, he may need retaliation to keep the image or drive his paranoia.
A well executed police raid to drag Hamas’ leadership out
This is 1,000,000% corruption coming from the head, so chopping off the head will go a long way towards ending Hamas’ problem causing.
Problem is that Netenyahu trying this is what got Hamas into power in the first place because he decided he wanted a replacement govt to be a hateable enemy so I’m not too hopeful
… How do you identify government leadership in a group that notably violates the Geneva conventions at least as often as Israel by going plain clothes and hiding in the civilian population? Do you think Israel has police forces in Gaza still?
Additionally, Mossad is one of the most successful and widespread intelligence agencies in the planet. I don’t buy anyone saying they don’t already have lists a mile long and the resources to carry it out.
Others have pointed out but Mossad are a different branch of the Israeli intelligence apparatus than the folks who’d likely be handling this, but the point most likely stands either way that this whole incident represents an abject failure of intelligence ops in preventing a large scale attack.
I think that sounds absolutely right. But I worry about while it sounds good from my armchair, to what extent it’s really possible given conditions on the ground and the hostages.
Well first of all military response, proportionate or not, is meaningless in such a conflict. Israel is feeding Hamas who's in turn feeding Israel etc etc, so the answer is to work on securing peace rather than radicalize the Gazan population more (because God knows after this shit they'll be out for blood), but if there needs to be a military response it should at least follow Israel's own roof knocking policy, which they're not following in these attacks, where they drops small non explosive rounds to warn civilians to evacuate before bombing their homes (which is also bad but less bad than indiscriminate murder). See also: Not using actual fucking white phorphorus, not bombing routes and locations they designated as safe, and definitely not bombing hospitals and ambulances. These are all things the IDF has been confirmed doing in the past few days.
Don’t know who’s down voting you, but yes, this is actually textbook strategy for insurgent warfare.
Little guy makes a move with the goal of provoking big guy to create a security clampdown and overreact. This feeds little guy’s PR and recruitment efforts, as well as potentially overstretching big guy’s resources.
I even have a recent and precisely on topic video that covers it:
Yeah, especially considering the initial attack was likely somewhat related to trying to stop Israel and Saudi Arabia’s growing friendship, but can anyone name a country that wouldn’t demand vengeance after the atrocities at the music festivals and overrun communities?
The attack was designed to be brutal to force a brutal response, probably designed to be like that by Iranian religious fanatics who couldn’t care less about the Palestinian population as long as they’re a good weapon to use against Israel.
None of that justifies Israel doing awful things but it does make it harder to think about.
The other option is to be sad about the atrocities, not angry. Yes I know that basically doesn’t happen especially anymore with everyone on such high edge.
But, if we want to not immediately go this route every time to not play into the hands of terrorists then the answer is sad. Empathetic. Feel the pain and hurt of all the people lost and what it would take for someone to do something horrible. It needs to be a tragedy first and an excuse for a slapping contest after.
It won’t work on everyone but it’s a far better response, and will get people on the side of the victims more than the terrorists and then with a slower response less needless casualties.
But what leader have you seen been upset about this and not just excited to finally do something interesting like war? Empathy hasn’t been important to society for too long now.
I think the person you’re replying to is being facetious based on your comment. Saying no good guys, alluding to the fact that the actors involved are all guilty of atrocities in some way. Not that they’re trying to be “politically correct”, but then again, I could be entirely wrong… ¯\༼ •́ ͜ʖ •̀ ༽/¯
I don’t think the Netanyahu regime are the good guys, but I didn’t think the Trump regime were the good guys either. I don’t endorse blaming a nationality for the actions of shitty leaders, especially shitty leaders who have directly undermined democracy in their countries.
Wild to me that you conflated Netanyahu and Trump, rather than Israel and Hamas. But either way, I agree.
I don’t think what Hamas has done is “cool, chill and dope”, but I certainly understand living under the violence of apartheid and becoming violent yourself.
Especially when your prayer, worship and protest are met with military action by your “supervisor”(?)
What else are you supposed to do if you’re a Palestinian? They can’t even live a normal day of peace, that doesn’t exist for them.
This is disingenuous. Israel (and the international community) have offered concession after concession, compromise after compromise. Palestine/Arab orgs/Hamas have rejected them out of hand.
In case any reads this as affirming their belief that communists are fans of genocide, other communists from Vietnam invaded Cambodia and stopped the genocide referred to by the ‘killing fields.’
It’s so hard though, people really want to pick a side and I get that because it makes it much easier to think about and emotionally deal with but the reality is it’s a painfully complex situation.
The same question exists for Israelis, the only reason they aren’t being massacred is because of their hugely expensivel security systems and the fact every citizen does three years of military service - if their whole existence wasn’t focused on protecting themselves there would be a very different political climate and far better people in power.
And yes it’s easy to say ‘they shouldn’t be there in the first place’ but that’s also very reductive, a lot of things in history shouldn’t have had to happen but it’s too late now - what are they supposed to do just stop existing? Of course that is what a lot of people want to happen, the countries funding Hamas and Hezbollah for example…
The hard truth is Israel would never be in the position Palestine is, they’re either strong enough to defend themselves or they all get killed - I wouldn’t want to be in either sides shoes.
I think a defining moment of your comment was at the end, when you said, “ they’re either strong enough to defend themselves or they all get killed - I wouldn’t want to be in either sides shoes. “
One IS strong enough to defend themselves and the others are the ones getting slaughtered.
But you agree if Israel couldn’t defend themselves they’d have all been killed long ago?
What are they supposed to do just sit idle and accept that powerful nations are going to continue to train, supply and support terrorists attacking them? That they’ll never feel safe and will regularly have to accept the deaths of loved ones in terror attacks?
I don’t think Israel is acting well but also I have experienced the reaction of people when terrorists attack the city they live in and simply can’t believe any nation would respond much better - and again I want to say that im only talking about the Israelie perspective and likewise were any other nation in the position of Palestine they would react pretty much how Palestine is reacting - and of course you can go back and say well this happened because of this and that happened because of that… At a certain point it’s of course England’s fault but they had literal boats full of emaciated victims of histories most brutal oppression with no where to put them that wouldn’t cause decades of chaos and violence.
The raw truth is history is ugly and messy, the Jewish people have been victims for centuries so it’s really not hard to see why a portion of them are going to be very obsessive about self defence. Why a portion of them aren’t going to have patience for the 763rd group of people to say they should be pushed into the sea and eradicated entirely.
If we could draw a line under history and say the past doesn’t matter that would be great but of course it’s not that simple, it’s never simple.
Yes, they are. My CEO sent out an email this morning about how he’s saddened by “the attacks on Israel” and glad “all our Israeli employees are safe”. He closed with “we stand with Israel”. No mention of any sadness or fucks given for all the dead Palestinian civilians.
Heh, I had a similar reaction when reading a similar email. There certainly have been “Horrific terrorist attacks”. Except from all sides… for many decades…
God I remember during the George Floyd protests our CEO sent an email statement that was basically “blue lives matter”. I was happy to leave that company.
CEO suddenly emailed out a “terrorism is never ok” email early this week expressing concern and acknowledging the pain of the Hamas attacks…as if anything has occured in a vacuum there in the last 60 years.
I do not apologize for the murders by Hamas over the weekend, just as I do not for the now even more retaliatory murders by Israel. Montagues and Capulets both were assholes. The idea any organizational head from some random industry in a foreign country could even understand the basic dynamics, let alone decades of murder and loss on both sides, and still make a statement that would in any way walk a line of objectivity is so startlingly naive it boggles the mind. And other than their fucking irrepressible egoism, they would claim they’re doing this for their employees? Company? Just STFU when you don’t know the field of play!
There was a controversial and sexist bait letter someone at Google wrote before being let go and it was heavily propped up by right wing media as an example and justification that everything Google does from now on is left wing because they’re cancelling this poor sexist man.
My first long term job’s company instructed HR to print out the letter and give a strong endorsement of it for seemingly no reason. It basically just read to me as, “Women have strongsuits other than business success like emotions and raising children and their lack of pay is actually justified and good.” that they wanted to come from our female head of HR as opposed to our do nothing remote from Florida male CEO. These rich people are no smarter than anyone else, they just use bigger words as they stick their foot down their own throat.
I was arguing with someone about that. Their unwavering position was that population in Gaza is growing, so it cannot be a genocide. UN genocide definition was wrong in their eyes. I tried to compromise to call it “only” ethnic cleansing, they seemed unimpressed. Then they called me a tankie.
Just take that in: it’s not a genocide because not enough evil sand people died. What the actual fuck?
What the fuck. Who are they listening to? I have also heard the “UN genocide definition is wrong” argument - but because it’s incomplete. The UN definition is too strict to categorize all genocides into.
Shooting from tbe hip on this exact stat, but 10 - 15% of the population of Gaza is over 25. Gaza is basically 2 million children and teenagers. Whom all have PTSD.
Palestinian prisoners released from Israeli jails say that guards carried out abuse and collective punishment in the weeks after the Hamas attacks on Israel on 7 October.
Eighteen-year-old Mohammed Nazzal was one of those released by Israel this week, in exchange for Israeli women and children held hostage by Hamas in Gaza.
The family reception room at the top of the old house was fogged by the smoke of a dozen cigarettes - a cousin circled the visitors with a flask of coffee and a tall tower of tiny paper cups.
Mohammed sat flanked by rows of male relatives, both his hands heavily bandaged, held up in front of him stiffly like a boxer, the tip of his thumbs peeking out.
A medical report from a hospital in Ramallah the day he arrived back home advised that a plate might have to be fitted, if his fractures did not heal by themselves.
Lama Khater, released from prison earlier this week, published a video on social media alleging that an intelligence officer had “explicitly threatened her with rape” immediately after her arrest in late October.
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Have you ever seen an elderly dog? They have the same characteristics as an elderly person. Gray hair, lack muscle tone, eyes that just look old… that dog is not 31.
Ah, the wonderful prevailing argument sweeping the internet the last few years: “that looks like something else, so it must be that. Let’s disregard sources and science. Everything must be what it looks like.”
People lie about their age all the time. There’s been many elderly people with badly documented births who fudged the numbers and added a decade or five to their age.
Unless there’s good documentation, be skeptical of extreme longevity claims.
lol. The language you chose proves you’re a moron. I suspect that you know you’re actually a moron. That’s why my comment cut so deep. You can’t buy brain cells but you can read more. There’s still a chance for you little dunce :)
Religion is the coat of paint put on top of an occupation that is actually the root cause here.
Both the Zionists and the Jihadists claim to be inspired by their religion, but the actual cause of the decades-long conflict has little to do with religion and much more to do with decades of occupation and oppression.
Holy land my ass. Where does it say it’s okay to kill people in their holy texts? They literally have one commandment against murder (thou shall not kill. Anyone? Anyone?). Genocide much?
As far as Islam goes, murder is again a top sin. In the Qur’an. How can you justify killing people?
I do agree thought that this is about infighting in the region and religion is a pretext to justify atrocities.
The Biblical story of the battle of Jericho certainly seems to condone mass murder of civilians if they’re of the wrong ethnicity. I’m less familiar with the Quran but I’ve read many times that it condones killing in certain contexts as well. All Abrahamic religions are rooted in barbarism.
Abrahamic religions have always been extremist in their nature. If you read history before Christianity you could already see these people were batshit.
Bro. All major religions (except Hinduism/buddhism) are basically a rehash of the same shit the originated in the Sumner River Valley in Mesopotamia. They are all batshit insane - christians included - the only difference is the tech level.
What about “thou shall not kill”. Also, there is pretty much historical consensus that all of the Jericho story was fucking made up and slotted into the Bible later. If anything, you should research how the Bible as put together - it’s 90% bullshit
The Bible is highly inconsistent. If you want a justification for killing people, it’s there. If you want a justification for condemning killers, it’s there, too. Whether any part of it is historical is irrelevant; what matters is that people believe in it and use it to guide their actions (or at leave rationalize them after the fact).
They literally have one commandment against murder (thou shall not kill. Anyone? Anyone?). Genocide much?
It’s better translated as “don’t murder” than “don’t kill” - it uses the Hebrew verb רצח which refers to immoral unlawful killings (i.e. murder), not killing in general.
In Judaism, for example, the rabbis ruled in the Babylonian Talmud that it’s OK to kill someone who is actively trying to murder someone else.
As far as where in the Torah it says to kill people, there’s a bunch of places. For example, here’s one commandment from deuteronomy 21:
If a man has a wayward and rebellious son, who does not obey his father or his mother, and they chasten him, and [he still] does not listen to them, his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city, and to the gate of his place. And they shall say to the elders of his city, “This son of ours is wayward and rebellious; he does not obey us; [he is] a glutton and a guzzler.” And all the men of his city shall pelt him to death with stones, and he shall die. So shall you clear out the evil from among you, and all Israel will listen and fear.
No, it has almost nothing to do with religion. The only part of the Israeli-Palestinian crisis that actually tangibly relates to a religious dispute, is the contesting claims over Jerusalem (because it’s holy to both Judaism and Islam).
Literally the entire rest of the conflict is based on competing nationalist claims.
They’re explicitly fighting to establish a Muslim theocracy, under sharia law.
It’s not akin to something like the American revolution, where you had a number of religious people fighting to establish a secular country.
It’s more like the Maccabean revolt, where the Jewish leaders were the priests, and ended with the establishment of the Hasmonean dynasty where the high priest became king.
Would you really argue that the Maccabean revolt had nothing to do with religion?
That’s fair. Religion can be a very important part of both identities.
However, I would like to stress that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not directly motivated by religious differences. As in, it’s not a case of “their religion is different! GET EM!”. The direct problem isn’t that the other side has a different religion, it’s that the other side essentially has competing land claims, and a competing nationalist vision.
Since religion is an important part of Hamas’ identity (and possibly of some factions in Israel, I’d guess), that affects how each side frames the conflict, and what their exact means and ends are. But the key issues of the conflict have to do with things like land borders and economic conditions.
The direct problem isn’t that the other side has a different religion, it’s that the other side essentially has competing land claims, and a competing nationalist vision.
Right.
But those nationalist visions aren’t entirely secular in origin. For both Hamas and religious zionists, they’re rooted in their religion.
This isn’t religiously motivated violence the same way that the Spanish Inquisition was. But religion is pretty deeply baked into the conflict, in some very important ways.
This isn’t religiously motivated violence the same way that the Spanish Inquisition was. But religion is pretty deeply baked into the conflict, in some very important ways.
They do not want to just destruct Israel, they want to kill all Jewish people and want a purely Muslim country. Anti-semitism in the area existed before Israel was created and is a reason why it was created in the first place.
It’s just often ignored because Jews aren’t a group that people sympathise with. There are also many more Muslim people and even hinting that you do not support everything Palestine does, as a Muslim or not, can make you a target for lots of hate. There are even people who will tell you that you “aren’t a real Muslim” if you support a two-state-solution.
It’s a race war if anything. Religion is used to fuel it. But Israel doesn’t care about its gods. It only cares about people within its tribe controlling its country. Eventually Israel will have to choose between being Jewish controlled and being democratic, even. Because demographics are trending against there being a Jewish majority forever. They will ditch democracy. I mean, they already have by deliberately disenfranchising millions of Arabs from it. An apartheid democracy isn’t a democracy, it’s an oligarchy. Anyway, no, it’s not about the Jewish god. If you think Judaism is a religion, straight up, you don’t understand it. The Arabs also cling to their religion because it’s the one thing no one can take away from them. It’s also very effective at controlling people.
Hamas is literally an offshoot of the Muslim brotherhood.
Fatah is reasonably secular. But Hamas is fighting a literal jihad against Jews. To Hamas, this is very much a religious war to establish a Muslim theocracracy over all of Israel.
You’re still confusing the pretext with the actual reason. Hamas and the Zionists both say they are doing this for religious reasons, but the actual reasons are much more complex and almost entirely political and social. You’re buying into the propaganda from both sides of you really think the root of this catastrophe is religion.
Hamas only exists because of the occupation and oppression caused by the state of Israel.
Hamas, as mentioned, is an offshoot of the Muslim brotherhood. The Muslim brotherhood still exists in Egypt, despite Egypt not oppressing Muslims. Hamas might not have split off into a separate organization, but they’d basically still exist without Israel.
More to the point, though, why Israel? Why did Jews want to establish a state in Israel? Are you really going to argue that had nothing to do with religion? The second intifada was literally caused by Ariel Sharon visiting the Al-Aqsa mosque. Clearly, that had nothing to do with religion either.
I’m not saying that the conflict is purely religious. It’s a complex blend of religion and politics.
Arguing that religion has nothing to do with it is ridiculous.
There were many there already. It is their historical homeland of origin.
It has cultural significance as a past Jewish homeland.
And frankly I think being surrounded by enemies has been galvanizing for them, not a minus at all.
AND, here’s the main thing I think you are insisting on missing: it has religious significance too, which whips up certain people into a fervor.
Just because leaders manipulate people with religion doesn’t mean they are religiously motivated. Religion is for manipulating people. It has a great impact on certain people and situations, but it’s a tool. For example, if you want suicide bombers, it’s a tool for convincing them to die. This doesn’t mean religion is the reason you’re bombing. Religion is a how not a why (except for in the minds of some pawns, which I’ll allow is true).
Christian zionists maybe, but Jewish zionists are doing this because hamas murdered Israeli civilians in a terrorist attack. Nothing religious about revenge.
They banned groups giving out candy as a celebration of the Hamas attacks and kidnappings of Israelis and groups that openly support terrorist organisations like Hamas. Are you opposed to that? How do you think Germany should react to a group that’s openly anti-semitic?
Except most governments. They also fund humanitarian aid for the Palestinians on the down-low but publically they’re supporting Israel. Just look at the US.
I live in the southern USA, evangelical folks in my area are fully onboard with Israel support. Facebook links constantly, sign boards in front of churches, those annoying free newspapers they publish and leave in the driveway.
It’s all anti Muslim and some really creepy genocide talk.
Well, in the defence of some evangelical communities, they're just out there hoping the rapture will happen in their lifetimes and doing what they can to speed up the process.
Some of them don't necessarily hate Muslims, they just want the world to end ASAP and believe supporting a militant Israel will speed up the process. And who knows, maybe they're right.
It’s just my opinion, but I think batshit crazy is worse. At least evil people have convictions. You may not like their reasons, but it’s consistent. Crazy people are unpredictable and act erratically. They legit scare me.
“You have this group of people looking around for signs of the end time, and in the 20th century when Israel was founded, this was seen as a major sign. This was electrifying for that community because the gathering of all the Jews in exile to the Holy Land is a prerequisite for all of these events unfolding”
Wtf? Even lemmy was crazy to read just a few days ago. Deranged comments everywhere in support of Israel. Plus a lot of governments support them directly as well.
I think it was mostly people calling out Hamas’ shit which was taken as being “deranged comments in support of Israel”. People act as though picking a side in this war is like picking a football team. There are shit heads on all sides.
Nah I would have found that very much Ok as I or course what Hamas did and does is completely inhumane.
It was basically a lot of different ways of saying that Palestinians deserved it because Hamas was voted in, not thrown out yet, or simply because they haven’t left. Just gross comments everywhere
Bruh where have you been, I’ve seen the most sanguine comments being catapulted to the top of feeds. Although not as bad in Lemmy as i saw it on reddit.
If nothing else, this terrible unnecessary war has shown the West’s cognitive dissonance.
Hardcore right wing people generally hate Jewish people, unless the Jewish people are fighting Muslim people, then it’s “Jewish people have the right to self-determination!”
People on the left generally do not hate any specific ethnic group, however, we have a long history of criticizing Israel for their apartheid. Being met with the furor of everyone else calling us anti-semites is nothing new, but never has it come so forcefully from so many people all at once.
Moderates in the center aren’t speaking out at all for fear of being called anti-semitic, maintaining international relations with a nuclear power, and secretly hoping that this takes attention away from the climate crisis so we can keep going business as usual in favor of the ruling class.
More important than the cognitive dissonance though, is the fact that everyone in the West believes their opinion is the best and will solve everything.
Yeah, after watching the siege of Mariupol and the destruction of civilian infrastructure by Putin, it’s kinda hard to defend the same actions, whatever the provocation, by Bibi
fuck it. RIGHT NOW I don’t give a damn about what Hamas did or are going to do. Keep your fake humanist rhetoric or wisdom from book “oh but you fall in the trap of…”, F U C K I T! They bombed one of the few fucking remaining hospitals in state. This is not an artillery margin error, this was dedicated!
Israel went far beyond the limit and they play straight, no Hamas masterplan or a six advanced moves. Israel does not care, they massacre plain straight and with a giant fuck off to the rest of the planet.
Apparently that hospital was a misfired rocket from Gaza… if that turns out to be true, I’ll await your condemnation of whichever Islamist cunts did it
Even if it was fired from Gaza, they will again simply say that’s Israel’s fault. When you have already established the black-and-white narrative, everything goes.
Anti-semitic my ass. I know jewish people that are openly open about their retarded leaders.
Jewish people out of all people should understand why genocide is not acceptable. A bunch of old power hungry people are responsible for hundreds of thousands of people being killed or displaced. That’s what God wants, amiright?
If it was genocide, why warn the people and offer humanitarian aid in the south of Gaza? Why no attacks on the Westbank? Why did they wait until Hamas attacked (again)? Why were Palestinians part of the population in Israel?
Israel certainly doesn’t respect the border to Palestinian land, but to call it genocide sounds a lot like a propaganda tool. Especially when it comes from people who ignore that Palestinians and especially the Hamas and other extremist groups in Palestine declared they want a genocide on all Jews. And this even predates the separation.
There's something about this mentality that is so fucked that I can't even.
It's a place where people live. It's not like they just walk around for years waiting to be killed by Israeli rockets. They're not background actors in some episodic war movie or character actors in some horror version of Disney land.
Gaza is in the grip of terrorists who abuse population as their shield and keep drawing fire on them. As long as they are in power and the population is unable to get rid of them this is not a place for a child to go and visit relatives. Who allowed that to happen?
If Israel found an attack from Hamas at this point as hard to imagine as they claim to, why in the world would we expect civilians to be better informed.
Some people, obviously mistakenly, believed Hamas to have cooled down a little bit and to be genuinely interested in making the lives of civilians a little bit easier. The terrorist attacks of course illustrated forcefully that this was not the case, but it's hard to blame civilians for being surprised by this when Mossad apparently had no way of seeing it coming either.
It is not some new development that Hamas is a terrorist group that hides behind the population. It is also not new that they are not about to leave Gaza voluntarily so they will have to be forcefully removed at some point by someone. If you managed to get out of Gaza it is a grave mistake to go back there for a vacation. As long as it is a hideout for terrorists it will be a target of their victims.
Why should I know that? I’m not the care taker of Israel. They should not have left Gaza unwatched and allowed terrorists to cross into Israel. And her parents should not have sent a child into a Hamas lead city.
There are terrorists on both sides. It’s easy for you to preach from your high horse. When was the last time you felt in danger of dying? What about the last time you didn’t have clean water and food? Not being allowed to see your lover ones?
It’s also very easy for you to demand that the people of Israel should just accept getting attacked by Hamas once in a while while everyone pretends it’s alright that Gaza is governed by terrorists who have made it their official goal to genocide the Jews. This conflict can only be solved with cooperation but that is not possible with Hamas.
You fucking disconnected hypocrite.
That does not make any sense but you can stuff that in your ass anyways.
How did Hamas get to be in power in Gaza? What about the people of Gaza? You don’t hear anyone getting butthurt when people in Gaza arr routinely killed and starved to death. You don’t hear it in the news.
Why would people in Gaza want to subject themselves to this death and destruction?
Pretending that somehow the lives of jewish people are more valuable that the lives of Palestinians is what makes you a hypocrite.
How did Hamas get to be in power in Gaza? What about the people of Gaza? You don’t hear anyone getting butthurt when people in Gaza arr routinely killed and starved to death. You don’t hear it in the news.
Why would people in Gaza want to subject themselves to this death and destruction?
Yes how come no one gives a shit about Hamas being in power there, causing nothing but death and misery for everyone in the area? Now that Israel got hit so hard that they decided to end Hamas in the most destructive way people suddenly care for the people living there.
Pretending that somehow the lives of jewish people are more valuable that the lives of Palestinians is what makes you a hypocrite.
I’m sorry if I made it look like I care more for one faction than the other, I honestly don’t think the lives of the people of Gaza are worth less than those living in Israel. It is a horrible thing that Israel sees no other way to fight against Hamas but to hit Gaza harder and harder. Do you have a proposition on how Israel should react to the terrorist attack?
You need to understand that people in Gaza are desperate. Israel is not going to do the right thing. They have been committing war crimes for 75 years. Hamas is not going to do the right thing.
IMHO there need to be an outside peace keeping mission to mitigate this. Anything else is going to end up with a blood bath.
We think it’s bad now? Wait until it escalates and the whole region blows up. What will Israel do when gets attacked by Hezbollah? How will Iran and Egypt react to what they see as meddling in the middle east by western powers? Europe is already not playing nice with Israel. US is going to need to soften their stance (and they have started to do already).
Israel attacking Gaza and blocking food and water (ie genocide) is as dumb as Hamas attacking Israel in the first place. This is what happens when you put political interest in front of what is good for your own people.
I am highly distressed by the fact that people are fucking dying as we speak and everyone seems to have one weird trick without understanding any history and without factoring in the context in tge region.
Do you have an idea as to what “the right thing” for Israel to do now is? It is easy to demand they stop attacking Gaza but I never read any proposals of what to do instead but “suck it up”. I think the only way to stop this is a trustworthy player in the region that can credibly assure Israel that they would help them remove Hamas from Gaza so they stop the destruction.
The people in Israel are also desperate. They left Hamas to their own devices and were hit with the largest attack in decades. Now they want Hamas gone - at any cost. The international community left them alone with the problem and now they want to solve it to prevent this from ever happening again. TBH I don’t dare to give advice to any side here any advice on what they should do. It’s a catastrophe that Hamas wanted and received. Loads and loads of people that receive no help and are left to die. There are many “should have” and “could have” to be said but what do they matter now?
A side note regarding escalation, if you care for my opinion on this:
I don’t think that Iran or Egypt will join any escalation by Hezbollah or Fatah. Russia is stretched thin anyways, Egypt gives 0 shit about Palestine and Iran will get completely dismantled by the US alone. Europe will not be a player in the region, we are completely busy with Ukraine and we likely cannot contribute anything that Israel needs (except ammunition, I guess). It will be a complete disaster of death and destruction for the region that no one wants - but I think Israel and the US are ready to fight it if anyone wants to escalate.
People that lose everything get radicalized and even if you manage to remove every single Hamas member from Gaza you’ll be back to the same situation in no time.
There needs to be an international peace force in the area and both sides need to revisit if this stupid war is worth fighting.
When they cut of water, power and supplies it’s business even though the result is people dying and in effect genocide. When Hamas attacjs them it’s terrorism. Killing innocent civilians ON ANY SIDE is terrorism.
Turns out living with terrorists that keep provoking attacks on you is a shit situation that you should escape from or call for international help to remove them. It is sad that innocent people of Gaza suffer and die and I wish that tragedy would not happen but that blood is solely on Hamas’ hands - they fully knew what the reaction would be.
If you think living with terrorists is bad you should think about a fucking county that has power hungry terrorist leadership. You Israel is a terrorist state and them killing civilians in Gaza is no different than what Hamas is doing. You can pretend it’s something else but this is genocide.
Explain it to me you brainiac. Let’s see if you can do mental gymnastics to justify what is happening.
Is wikipedia good enough for your Highness?
Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2]
Killing members of a group? Check. Serious bodily or mental harm? Check. Living conditions intended to destroy the group? Fucking check.
“acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.
The intent “to destroy whole or in part” is not there. If Israel had the intent to eradicade the people of Gaza it could have easily done so for a long time. That is not “mental gymnastics” but a matter of intent, as stated in your definition. They take into account that many, many innocent people in Gaza are killed as collaterals in their fight to destroy Hamas, but Israel actually wanting to eradicate the populace would look very different. I’m open to change my view the coming weeks but I don’t see Israel eradicating them. I also accept that you vehemently disagree with me on this.
On the other hand Hamas has put the intent of the complete destruction of Israel in its founding charter - one can easily claim that every attack on Israel by Hamas is an act of genocide.
The total blockade of water and food is a very sharp sword that I hope will be lifted quickly as it was an overly brutal reaction to the attack. It could have been considered as an immense pressure to release the hostages from Gaza without boming the place but that did not manifest as Israel decided to attack anyways.
Do you think that Egypt is also complicit in the genocide against the people of Gaza, as they are also carrying the blockade?
Where did I mention people who live there? Gaza is in a terrible situation and people should leave until Hamas is removed. Visiting that powder keg is utterly irresponsible.
I mean we’re increasing restrictions on solar and some fairly high profile politicans are talking about the lost benefits of oil and coal so… I’m pretty sure going our own way involves some kind of reversion to steam power medicine based on the four humours.
Lmaoooooo that’s absurd. Y’all just want to be angry. It’s a fantastic time to be a gamer.
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I’m sure I missed quite a few good games and that’s 23 only.
Activision already ruined blizzard and is/was a shit company. Anyone buying their games still is a sucker who loves being ripped off. Nothing of value was lost here.
When looking from one POV
innocent journalist.
vs.
crazy killing monsters who only live to kill Palestinians and once there are no Palestinians left there will be no meaning to their life.
Second POV is
people responsible for safety of their country who expect Hammas to try to sneak by any possible means into their territory to continue in previous brutality.
vs.
possible terrorist in disguise
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