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fubarx ,

The telematics on EV VWs was designed by someone who lost a bet.

HawlSera ,

Cool I like buttons

Edit: Why is this post yellow?

LemmyKnowsBest ,

yellow? give us a screenshot of what you see.

Lennnny ,
@Lennnny@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t eat it.

nutsack ,

there should never be a fucking touch screen menu in a car for any reason

xthexder ,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

Maps? Android Auto / CarPlay? Gotta have the screen anyway for the mandatory backup camera.

We can have both! Physical buttons for everything that doesn’t actually benefit from having a display, (like music or heat/ac), touch screen for the rest.

Threeme2189 ,

Just like my 2019 Hyundai Ioniq. Buttons for the car stuff and a touchscreen for media, calls, navigation, backup camera, etc. If the touchscreen were to shit the bed I’d still have a fully functional car minus the backup camera.

z00s ,

I just hope they stop treating car interiors like living rooms. It’s like they forgot that people are busy driving in the first place.

nutsack ,

cars aren’t primarily for driving they are for convincing friends and family of your success

ALostInquirer ,

is it the biggest success if it’s a luxury RV?

Threeme2189 ,

Nope, that means you tried too hard. What you really need is a van with a bed in it.

clutchmatic ,

Unless you live in places like cities around Los Angeles

MonkeMischief ,

While you’re slowly drowning in payments but no one can know and you’re just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire!

Lol you nailed it. I know it goes against some of the ethos of Lemmy but I do wish there was some kind of particular “THIS PERSON RIGHT HERE GETS IT” award to give you haha.

HawlSera ,

They absolutely did!

popcap200 ,

I test drove one, and the touch buttons were ass, but nobody mentions the lag. There’s ZERO feedback, do you press the button again and watch the screen show you turn the thing on and then back off.

I would NEVER buy a car with touch controls based on this experience. It was horrible.

Buddahriffic ,

I wonder if that’s a lingering effect from the auto chip shortage from 2020 (limited choice lead to using processors less powerful than they’d like), or just the general shitty quality common when companies try to add features outside of what they are familiar with? Maybe combined with hiring shitty developers that want to run a full browser stack when they need to be doing embedded real-time programming instead?

f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4 ,

I swore I would never buy a car with a touchscreen, but I ended up with a Toyota with no noticable touch lag and physical controls for everything important. The steering wheel buttons also replicate all phone- and radio-related functions that are on the touchscreen.

The wife’s Honda (a few years older) has too many physical controls. For example, I’m fairly certain you could turn on heat for the driver and rear passenger-side, and air conditioning for the passenger and rear driver-side, if you really wanted to.

popcap200 ,

Oh yeah, honestly, I don’t mind the controls on a touchscreen as you get immediate feedback on most, if not all cars, but for some reason on that GTI, the touch buttons on the dashboard and wheel didn’t work for me at all.

yuki2501 ,
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Seems the novelty VW engineers had to be reminded of the first item in the Unix philosophy:

Make each program do one thing, and do it well.

Buttons already had this. Each single button did one and only one thing: Turn a feature on or off, or in the case of the radio, switch stations.

We didn’t need complicated menus to navigate. Press the appropriate button, and voilá. It was simple. It worked.

Who the fuck came up with the idea of having to use touch menus? I have no idea, but I really hope they got fired.

novemberalpha ,

I get what you’re saying, up to a point. But you really don’t want the dashboard to look like the average TV remote either.

DontTreadOnBigfoot ,
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    dual_sport_dork ,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    I would be down with that, 100%.

    My car doesn’t have nearly that many functions, though. Nor do I want it to. Owners of modern cars would shit a brick if they saw the dash on my '99 Silverado and how simple it is. It has a grand total of about 12 buttons on it, and three dials. That’s it.

    Somehow it manages to drive down the road just fine, heat or cool the interior, twiddle all the lights, change all the radio stations, play or rewind the tape. (Yes, tape.) Just with those few controls, all of which only do one thing. Except the turn signal stalk, and technically I guess the shifter lever because it has the tow/haul button on the end of it.

    The amount of bullshit that’s built into modern cars is astounding. The majority of that crap doesn’t need to be in a car. Which is, you know, a transportation machine. If the passenger wants four touch screens, that’s fine. I don’t need one. I don’t want one.

    marx2k ,

    I really just need the “fix” button

    Edit: “legs” could also work of adequately sexy

    Raxiel ,

    Not that airliners don’t have a lot of things to press (and two people to press them), but the majority of the controls in that image are the navigation, radio, and autopilot controls.

    orrk ,

    would take TV remote over touch display any day, those things are horrible in so many ways, lack of tactile feedback and having to confirm it registered the input is literally a lethal hazard because it’s another reason people aren’t looking on the road while driving

    Threeme2189 ,

    Have you ever seen an airplane cockpit? Those things are crowded and confusing. A car, on the other hand, is simple enough that the average person gets used to all of the button, knobs, switches and dials in a few days.

    Tetractys ,

    Why? It’s not an art peice hanging above your desk. You’re putting from over function.

    Buddahriffic ,

    I mean, I get a bit jealous when I see the cockpit of an F1 car. So many knobs, buttons, and switches and they don’t even have climate control or entertainment systems.

    That level isn’t necessary with daily drivers, but I’d rather have physical buttons for any action I’ll want to do while moving and zero latency for any action that physically positions something like my seat or mirrors.

    nutsack ,

    the more important thing here is that you can find and press a button without looking at it

    PrincessLeiasCat ,

    Thank god. End this shitty touchscreen fad. I have problems reading things too close, so the buttons/knobs in my 10+ year old car are a lifesaver.

    Donjuanme ,

    Not all of the buttons. Please be reasonable. Just some of the buttons.

    I don’t need memory buttons.

    I don’t want to push the button half a dozen times, just to miss the menu I wanted by 1 click, and have to go around again.

    I don’t need separate am fm and cd buttons.

    I really don’t mind a touch screen for climate control, or audio interface. Just keep the business from moving around the screen at all and I’m pretty happy.

    troydowling ,

    I was with you up until the climate controls.

    Any control you can find in a 1997 Hyundai Accent should be physical.

    Anything else can be hidden behind a touchscreen because I’m not going to use it while driving anyway.

    My big request would be to drop the USB cable. I don’t know why I need to connect both USB and Bluetooth. I’d love to just leave my cell in my bag where it belongs instead of advertising yet another reason why someone should smash my windows in!

    jasondj ,

    Yeah climate control is where he lost me. My wife’s Honda odyssey has that.

    I’m okay with the soft-buttons for memory, or to toggle input, since they are always in fixed locations. In fact soft-buttons are slightly better because they are labeled with the station….though my 2013 Passat has the better compromise of a physical button with the station printed above it.

    But HVAC is where I draw the line. I guess the trade off would be that a thermostatically controlled digital systems are probably more simplistic, in their operation and maintenance, than the vacuum-and-linkage systems of yore, and this gives way to multi-zone climate systems in mass market cars. But I still hate that I have to utilize the touchscreen to change which blowers are on or to change the temperature in the rear zone, which blocks GPS if you’re using CarPlay/Android Auto/Nav (I’d assume, I don’t have nav).

    NotMyOldRedditName ,

    Really the only thing on my Tesla I ever need to access on the touchscreen while driving is the climate controls (assuming I don’t want to use voice, which is a pain as it hears you wrong)

    The other used to be fog lights, but I just keep those on now for extra visibility, like another day time running light.

    Everything else including wipers I can do from the wheel now without having to touch the screen.

    I only use voice to choose a new song/artist, I’m not trying to navigate spotify by hand while driving.

    flambonkscious ,

    What in hearing is … Dials are good too?

    xthexder ,
    @xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

    Just wait 'til you try this knob!

    flambonkscious ,

    Love a good knob…

    cheeseblintzes ,
    @cheeseblintzes@lemmy.world avatar

    Thank god.

    Touchscreens in a car never made any sense.

    kameecoding ,

    Oh look they sre following in Hyundais footsteps

    thedrive.com/…/hyundai-promises-to-keep-buttons-i…

    Locrin ,

    Yet the model Y is the world’s most sold car. Maybe it’s not the touch screen that is the problem.

    nowwhatnapster ,

    As a Model 3 owner of 5 years, it’s really a non issue, in my opinion. All the basic controls you need while in motion are on the steering wheel. The touchscreen is responsive and intuitive.

    restingboredface ,

    Not sure where you get that data but according to Statista the top selling car is a Toyota corolla. Tesla model y is on the list but at #4.

    Touchscreens probably aren’t the deciding factor in a purchase but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t a problem for users. People just have to decide what features they are willing to compromise on (assuming they have a choice, and touchscreens increasingly are unavoidable).

    Locrin ,

    Current year of course.

    www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/

    hardcoreufo ,

    When I bought my Tiguan the dealer was pushing really hard for me to get a 2022 which has just come in. It was the first year to have capacitive steering wheel buttons. I told them to find a 2021 or I’m looking at something else. I think the car market was still a little slow at that time so they made it happen to get a sale.

    jayandp ,

    Reason why I love my Subaru is that it still has buttons for almost everything, yet still has Android Auto.

    time_fo_that ,

    Not the new ones. They’re all touch screen and it’s soooo slow to start up and do anything, including HVAC and heated seats. My friend’s new Outback has it and it’s not good.

    GeminiFrenchFry ,

    I have a '22 Crosstrek and most options are buttons with a large screen I use with Android Auto. I would hate HVAC and heated seats integrates into the screen because I love mine being buttons, switches, and dials. Plus, I can control most of the screen features from my steering wheel.

    Pavidus ,

    This is why I chose Mazda. No touch screen at all, just a display for Android auto.

    KpntAutismus ,

    my 1st gen yaris has a space for a 1din radio, but there’s a 3rd party frame that lets you get rid of the casette player (you read that right) and allows for a 2din radio.

    buy one of those pioneer radios, throw some blaupunkt widebands in there, and i have a top of the line entertainment system.

    i want to drive that car forever…

    n2burns ,

    Now if they’d just sell the baseline Golf or wagen Golf in Canada, I’d consider buying another VW!

    squirrelwithnut ,

    Good. Touchscreens are the most unsafe feature added to vehicles in decades. It’s honestly mind boggling how it was allowed in the first place.

    highenergyphysics ,

    Easy, because regulations don’t mean anything anymore.

    Headlights that blind you in the day and literally block all vision of the road at night, road legal trucks which bumpers that START at the hood of my car, all around limo tints on literally every car, people disabling their rear lights for some idiotic reason…

    And that doesn’t even begin to mention the drivers themselves, so fucking self absorbed, tailgating, cutting you off for fun to get to the same light.

    I’ve literally had a stream of cars going around me on street roads and so many dumbasses just follow the stream that I literally cannot safety accelerate because they’re all cutting me off bumper to bumper.

    You should start carrying a gun if not already. The conservatives have successfully rotted western society.

    Sculptor9157 ,

    While you have some good points, it seems you may be missing one in that if you are constantly getting passed in that manner, you are causing a problem, regardless of what is posted. Most western law systems have a provision against impeding the flow of traffic.

    Pelicanen ,

    Problem is when you get passed because other people aren’t driving legally. Even if it’s the flow of traffic, you’re still technically not allowed to break the law.

    barsoap ,

    Even if the people overtaking you on the Autobahn break the speed limit (yes those exist), you still have to keep to the right as much as possible. Hogging the left lane at exactly the speed limit is vigilantism.

    Pelicanen ,

    I’m confused, did I miss someone mentioning staying in the left lane on the highway?

    barsoap ,

    You mentioned getting passed which should only ever happen, in civilised countries with sane traffic laws, on the left. (modulo countries which drive on the left where it’s the right).

    Like, breaking the speed limit gets you a ticket over here. Overtaking on the right can easily mean losing your license and having to undergo a psych exam as they take such things as an opportunity to accuse you of racing on public roads.

    tias ,

    They’re in the right lane and getting passed by cars on the left. I’m really confused by what you’re trying to say. What makes you think they’re blocking traffic?

    Sculptor9157 ,

    Yes, exactly. So try to realize that not keeping out of the lane to pass is still an infraction on your part and let traffic enforcement do their job. It’s actually easier for them to witness you impeding multiple vehicles and pull you over than to track down everyone passing you, so don’t get yourself into a completely avoidable situation. Nobody passes you and later on reflects on the point you were trying to make.

    Pelicanen ,

    Did anyone mention driving in the wrong lane?

    Sculptor9157 ,

    Can you differentiate staying out of the lane to pass from staying out of the passing lane? Don’t try to bring your petulant road anger to me, silly goose. You have even less power and impression here than on the road. Allow me to demonstrate with my next reply.

    Pelicanen ,

    What? What are you talking about? I’m confused, are you having an episode?

    paradiso ,

    Had me until the politics, but I agree. These fucking headlights nowadays are incredibly dangerous, especially on these lifted garage queens.

    nsfw_alt_2023 ,

    The government has literally prevented cars that prevent you from blinding another car on the road from coming to the US market. Cars come in with active LED arrays and they have to be disabled to sell in the US.

    newsweek.com/nhtsa-roadblocking-headlight-technol…

    HerbalGamer ,
    @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Headlights that blind you in the day and literally block all vision of the road at night, road legal trucks which bumpers that START at the hood of my car, all around limo tints on literally every car, people disabling their rear lights for some idiotic reason…

    pretty sure all of those are illegal around here, with exception of the giant compensators.

    barsoap ,

    Headlights that blind you in the day and literally block all vision of the road at night,

    Illegal in the EU, Xenon and later LEDs always needed automatic height adjustment (it doesn’t suffice to do it once because cars change angles continuously). Lots has changed in the last 20+ years, though, speaking of VW: How about high beams all the time unless there’s something that could be blinded, then switch them off locally but keep the rest bright.

    road legal trucks which bumpers that START at the hood of my car,

    Like this?

    all around limo tints on literally every car,

    Illegal.

    people disabling their rear lights for some idiotic reason…

    Illegal.

    And that doesn’t even begin to mention the drivers themselves, so fucking self absorbed, tailgating, cutting you off for fun to get to the same light.

    See the thing is that if you build your infrastructure in a way that requires people to drive cars you can’t just take licenses away from asshats.

    MonkeMischief ,

    It sounds like you too, might live in a heavily populated metropolitan area of Nevada, USA. Lol

    Buddahriffic ,

    people disabling their rear lights for some idiotic reason…

    That might be people with daytime running lights not turning on the lights. My car will turn on the headlights as soon as I take the parking break off (MT, an auto would likely do it when put in drive), but the dash and rear lights don’t turn on unless I turn the dial.

    jasondj ,

    They are a lot safer now that we have LKAS and ACC and FCW systems. But that’s moreso in spite of the touchscreens.

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