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catloaf ,

My money is still on Harris to be the final candidate. Get ready.

Psionicsickness ,

She’ll get absolutely demoed by Trump. I can’t wait for Dems to have to vote for a racist cop though, peak irony.

felbane ,

One of the things Harris really has going for her is the fact that she would absolutely demolish Trump in a debate. She would not let him off the hook for his lies and would be able to counter his BS with reality.

Which is why Trump will never agree to debate her.

If Harris does become first name on the ticket, they better put Jesus Himself Christ as her running mate.

Organichedgehog ,

I don’t like Harris at all, but I’d love to see her in a debate with trump.

Grimy ,

If Harris does become first name on the ticket, they better put Jesus Himself Christ as her running mate.

GOP: Holy shit, why didn’t we think of that?

mashbooq ,

They probably did think of it but then rejected it when they found out how progressive Jesus is

Zaktor ,

Put a woke commie pacifist on the ticket? Hah! Now, Supply-Side Jesus, that’s a candidate.

Pacattack57 ,

What makes you think she could do that? Honest question. The few speeches I heard from her she performed poorly.

MutilationWave ,

She was a prosecutor. Trump is a rambling tank of lies. She is smart enough to predict his bullshit and have responses in the can. I would love to see someone call Trump a liar to his face constantly for an hour.

Zaktor ,

She’s great on attack, she just gets tongue tied on defense sometimes. Before the primary (where she had some good attacks), she was most known for questioning people in the senate.

MaXimus421 ,
@MaXimus421@lemmy.world avatar

You cannot be serious. She’s as bad at public speaking as Biden during the last debate. She absolutely would not stand a chance in a debate with Trump.

AlbertSpangler ,

Anyone will get demoed (?) by drumpf and the GOP.

They’ll probably claim whoever gets the nomination wasn’t born in the US, is part of a satanic paedophilic cabal, etc etc etc.

So that bit doesn’t matter. Get someone who ideally inspires the swing states and hesitant voters.

Then there’ll be a violent uprising with the support of the supreme court, but again there’s nothing you can do to prevent that now.

Lemminary , (edited )

Having the first US woman president would be cool and have a first woman vice-president as well, why not?

E: Whoops, you already had a first vp, Sorry, Americans.

jorp ,

yeah it would be cool but we’re talking about the American voter

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

Lol

…

:(

Tagger ,

Haven’t you just had the first woman vice-president?

Pacattack57 ,

Nobody voted for Biden because Kamala was the VP. Get real man, accept reality. Yes she might be better than Biden at this point but the only way she wins this is if she beats trump in a debate and based on her speaking skills in the few speeches I heard from her she will look like a moron on stage compared to him.

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

…what does any of that have to do with the comment you replied to

Lemminary ,

Oh yeah, I forgot the US did that.

MutilationWave ,

Running a woman for president is risky because of boomers, but the majority of them are voting Trump anyway. Running two women on the ticket I think would be a mistake. There are a lot of progressives that are still misogynist. As much as I’d love to see Harris/AOC I think they need to pick a man for VP.

Corigan ,

I am all for a women president, but Harris is just a Hilary repeat … Please dont.

AOC would be amazing but I know shes "too progressive"for the boomers… What ever the fuck that means

Omega_Man ,

Why is she Hillary repeat?

enbyecho ,

Why is she Hillary repeat?

They don’t know. Watch… they won’t have specific factual reasons, only vague generalizations. Betcha.

CliveRosfield ,

Speaking, presentation, likability.

Omega_Man ,

So well spoken female that people just don’t like for some reason?

TexasDrunk ,

The thought is that her years as a prosecutor will come back to bite her. Plus a lot of people seem to have a problem with her personality.

I haven’t watched her enough to form an opinion but those are the takes I’ve heard most often.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

A prosecutor who is anti marijuana and anti minority.

vxx ,

If that’s the spin republicans will take on her, they’ll alienate their own voters and push them democratic.

kandoh ,

She’s a democrat so the average voter is totally incapable of identifying that they could be anything but pro minority and soft on crime.

It’s like pointing out that republicans keep crashing the economy, doesn’t matter, they’re branding is still ‘good for business’

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

Oof, that’s not great; got an example?

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

Apparently she changed her mind according to the sources responding to my comment.

The_Terrible_Humbaba , (edited )

I don’t know much about her, but directly from the wiki:

The rate at which Harris’s office prosecuted marijuana crimes was higher than the rate under Hallinan, but the number of defendants sentenced to state prison for such offenses was substantially lower.[76] Prosecutions for low-level marijuana offenses were rare under Harris, and her office had a policy of not pursuing jail time for marijuana possession offenses.[76]

It sounds like her position on weed is not exactly what people are painting it as. At least these comments make it seem much worse than it is according to the wiki.

EDIT:

According to this, she even supported a bill in 2019 to legalize marijuana at a federal level, tax it, and use that money to (according to this):

Create a community reinvestment fund to reinvest in communities most impacted by the failed War on Drugs and allow those funds to be invested in the following programs:

Job training;

Reentry services;

Expenses related to the expungement of convictions;

Public libraries;

Community centers;

Programs and opportunities dedicated to youth; and

Health education

I don’t know if it’s on purpose, but you are definitely spreading misinformation.

Omega_Man ,

Hmmm… crickets

Schmoo ,

I think this is an instance of people failing to think from a systems perspective rather than an individual perspective. Kamala Harris was a functionary of an oppressive system and chose the easy path of not challenging it from within. That in itself may not inspire confidence in her potential presidency, but it does not discount her completely. She is still an individual who has changed her views over the years in a way that suggests hope for her being a better president than she was an Attorney General.

chemical_cutthroat ,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

Because that is the talking point that the foreign propaganda machine has been pumping out for the last few months. You’ll notice there were no comparisons to Hillary a year ago. Now it’s all “Harris is a cop,” and “Harris is Hillary 2.0”. Ignore all of that bullshit. It’s foreign trolls doing their job and muddying the waters.

Redecco ,

I feel like I heard that stuff during the 2020 primaries as well, but the spotlight has definitely shifted back on her so we’ll be hearing all sorts of things.

chemical_cutthroat ,
@chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly. If it were a real issue, it would be important enough to talk about all the time. When it only comes up if she is in the spotlight, it’s a disinformation campaign.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

Piece of shit cop that ruined people’s lives for the crime of minding their own damn business. Not progressive, at all, and very far right as Democrats go.

aesthelete ,

cop

And just like that the concern trolls have aligned on a new attack line.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I’m voting for anyone not Trump, but she has a very public record of incarcerating non-violent offenders.

logos ,

AOC is legally too young to run still.

confusedbytheBasics ,

She’ll be old enough by January 20th so she can run.

GreyEyedGhost ,

Actually old enough before the election. I was under that misapprehension, as well.

MutilationWave ,

I see this bullshit literally every day. Read up.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Dont understand how this myth still persists, since it is immediately corrected every time I’ve seen someone claim it.

Kroxx ,

I do not like Hillary and I do not like Harris. I don’t however agree with harris being a Hilary repeat, I think she has a way better shot than Biden did

iz_ok ,

I like AOC’s passion but a lot of people believe she’s too progressive. She’s young and can probably be more beneficial to her constituents and the party where she is for a few more years.

Harris should have a good shot, just for name recognition, her stance on abortion, and being part of the incumbent administration. Maybe she’s a more likable candidate then she was four years ago. The Democrats will have to give her a chance.

dank ,

Progressives aren’t going to get a candidate we like this year. And you know what, that’s ok. I wasn’t going to vote for Genocide Joe, but I’ll do everything in my power to put in office Harris, Newsom, Whitmer, or whoever else milquetoast neolib gets the establishment nod, if only to prevent Trump from taking office.

Nastybutler ,

I wasn’t going to vote for Genocide Joe

Thanks for letting us know you’d rather have an autocratic despot run this country than Biden

oyo ,

Have you actually listened to her on the issues or do you just know what the media has been spouting? I was surprised to hear her very articulate and reasonable stances from her directly rather than through a progressive media filter. There’s a mismatch.

5redie8 ,

To each their own, but when I watched her in the debate years back I only remember her as one of the people I explicitly didn’t like lol. Whatever, there’s some good points in this thread and I dearly hope they’re right.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Too progressive = union busting?

fxt_ryknow ,

They kind have to… IMO… You know, the whole DEI thing.

cooltrainer_frank ,

Jesus, I hope they can piece a campaign together in the few remaining months

Fapper_McFapper ,

I don’t think they’ve thought this through.

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

Biden was going to lose to Trump and was dragging other Democrats down with him in the polls. What more did you need?

Fapper_McFapper ,

Walk me through this. Who replaces Joe with only 4 months left until the elections? It’s going to be vote blue no matter who again. Oh, would you look at that. Biden just endorsed Kamala Harris.

daq ,

Newsom is the only option with any chance of winning, but democrats aren’t even trying to win this election.

bibliotectress ,

They’re clearly trying to win if they got so scared about polls they strong-armed Biden into resigning. The panic has pretty clearly set in. We’ll see if this works or not.

ShepherdPie ,

They’re ‘trying to win’ just like they were in 2016. We need a massive change in party leadership.

ChicoSuave ,

I abhor Gavin Newsome and would only vote for him to replace Trump. There are almost zero things Gavin Newsome can do that any other candidate can do better. He’s a slimy, adulterous predator who is more concerned with being remembered than doing something memorable.

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Harris or Manchin.

Harris actually sounds pretty good when she’s talking politics. Her tough on crime past can give her a boost with moderates and centrists as well. She just has the weirdest mannerisms when trying to relate to people.

Manchin has obvious appeal to centrists and moderates. His biggest issue is his opposition to climate change action. But other than that he’d be considered liberal by '90s standards.

Newsom needs to go through the primary process to see if he can appeal to swing state voters. Because I’m not convinced he can win those margin votes that he needs.

harrys_balzac ,

Manchin? He’s basically a Republican. He just hasn’t kissed Trumps ring. Besides he’s declared himself an “independent.”

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Manchin is a lot closer to a Democrat than a Republican. A LOT closer.

sudo ,

Manchin is running as an independent Senator in 2024. Giving him the nom would be the biggest “fuck you” to their voters.

Harris is the only logical choice. She’s not the best candidate but she can form coherent sentences and isnt surprising voters any more than Biden dropping.

frezik ,

Manchin might be the one candidate where I leave the box unchecked.

dank ,

Just about anyone can beat Trump. Now that we don’t have a senile old man holding us back, we’ll be fine.

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, of course he’s going to endorse her. Still doesn’t mean that delegates don’t decide after an open convention. If she can show the delegates she has what it takes then she earns it.

Fapper_McFapper ,

I want to be just as optimistic as you are. Here’s to hoping that you’re right and I’m wrong.

timbuck2themoon ,

Yeah a Humphrey style convention is always a good idea. /s

njm1314 , (edited )

Not for nothing but four months should be plenty to do an election in. 24 hour news media has convinced you that it’s got to be a 2-year endeavor. In all honesty 2 months should be plenty. Four is fine. Our entire country would be much better off if election seasons were shorter.

Fapper_McFapper ,

Let’s hope so!

NateNate60 ,

The UK Labour Party won a landslide election on 6 weeks notice

tamal3 , (edited )

Smaller country, less money involved… but here’s hoping.

Edit: I’m not sure why I’m being downvoted. Comparing the speed of the British election cycle to that of the US is mismatched. Yes, US elections are ridiculous and bloated, but that’s still the reality of them. Regardless, we’ll have to do things faster based on circumstances.

NateNate60 ,

Well, the US is literally the second-most populous electoral democracy and the third-most populous country in the world, so I say we’ll need some time.

Kraven_the_Hunter ,

Hear hear!

Rentlar ,

Just FYI, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez warned people that elite donors have been wanting Harris and Biden both off the ticket.. You are free to hold skepticism about Harris’ viability as presidential nominee, but do note that it is in line with the donor class’ rhetoric.

dank ,

Who cares if it’s Kamala? She’s not senile, she’s not Genocide Joe, and she’s not an unhinged fascist. She’s a shoe-in.

theangryseal ,

I voted for President Not Trump twice, I’m very much motivated to vote for President Not Trump a third time.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s going to be vote blue no matter who

So the same thing that’s been said to get people to vote for Biden in the first place?

If the Biden campaign was mostly running on “Not Trump,” anyone they replace him with will also not be Trump.

braindefragger ,

I don’t see it that way at all. This seems like a great way to increase their votes. It’s not like they are going to lose voters who were going to vote Biden to begin with.

Fapper_McFapper ,

It’s never about those that were going to vote for Biden anyways. It’s always been about the undecided voters. Don’t get me wrong, I hope you’re right.

braindefragger ,

It’s never about those that were going to vote for Biden anyways. It’s always been about the undecided voters.

Right. That’s obviously the whole point.

HulkSmashBurgers ,

Plus whatever strategy repubs were going to use to smear Biden is up in smoke.

ECB ,

Yeah the reality is that Biden was 95% going to lose to Trump. Picking a new person is usially a huge risk, but in this case there wasn’t much to lose.

As things stand right now, Trumps chances of winning just went down a bit. Worst case, they pick someone terrible with similar (non-)chances to Biden. Best case, they pick someone who wins.

simplejack ,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

They’ve 100% thought through this. Harris takes over the Biden / Harris campaign war chest, and if Biden drops out now, the party can go into the align around Harris before the convention. And now we have 3+ months to get people hyped about not voting for an old white dude.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

abcnews.go.com/Politics/…/story?id=112129063

Have they, though? Republicans are going to contest whomever they replace him with. This is fucking dumb. We should have dropped Biden as the candidate from the get-go. Too late, this is stupid.

dvoraqs ,

From the article you linked to:

Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.

Boddhisatva ,

You’ve posted this 5 times in this thread in the last 20 minutes. Take a moment to read your own link…

Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.

Rentlar , (edited )

Republicans are going to play every trick in the book, legal, moral, ethical or not. They will shout it at the rallies, take every opportunity to stir up shit on television (with help from Koch and Sinclair owned media) and you will hear every reason why the democratic nominee cannot be President. If Democrats find someone with a squeaky clean record and the Republicans can’t find anything truthful, they’ll fabricate it with ease. “Kamala Harris ate a moldy bagel in 2018 therefore she can’t be president.”

The one advantage Democrats have at this very second, is that Republicans and Trump can’t use the media machine to pre-emptively smear any one person, since nobody knows who the nominee will be yet. Use this opportunity well and combat the “ahh confusion, somehow only Trump makes sense” narrative that will be sure to be floated.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

Boooo

timbuck2themoon ,

My prediction- those cheering today will be crying in November.

Fapper_McFapper ,

I hope not but I fear you are correct.

timbuck2themoon ,

I sincerely hope I’m wrong too.

ShepherdPie ,

Versus ignoring the writing on the wall, doing nothing, and still crying in November?

Phenomephrene ,
@Phenomephrene@thebrainbin.org avatar

I think that's possible, but I think it was all but guaranteed that anyone who didn't want the repubs to win would have been crying in November if Biden hadn't dropped out.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

Boooooo. I’ll take my chances!

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

Yes they can. This is the right choice. Democrats will be more energized than ever now. Hopeful they keep it open to the delegates to vote at the convention after a few people step forward.

Soup ,

It would be an awful lot easier than trying to salvage Biden’s image as it stands. If they do it right this should be super easy, but if they drag their heels on the changes necessary then it might be a lot harder.

This is BIG opportunity to rebrand and show what really matters to the party.

Cruxifux ,

This is the perfect opportunity to do that! But I have absolutely zero faith in them actually doing that.

But maybe I’ve become jaded in my age with politics. Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

abcnews.go.com/Politics/…/story?id=112129063

I’m sure it will all work out when Republicans contest the new candidate… Fuck me what is this idiocy.

Fisk400 ,

Are they going to force Biden to run against his will or what is the plan here? If Biden dies, are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.

Bingo.

kautau ,

Yeah this was the point all along

Nurgle ,

Dems haven’t even officially nominated anyone yet, dont think the republicans would get very far with that stunt

kautau ,

Who’s going to stop them? The Supreme Court?

Zaktor ,

If you think they’re that off the rails then they don’t need this as a premise to challenge Democrats in the first place.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

The thing is, it’s not the Democratic Party replacing Biden anymore. Biden has willfully stepped down, and given his support to Harris. To put it another way, Biden is no longer “being replaced”.

But, that may not matter in the long run. The question now is when/if Republicans take this to court, and whether or not the judge decides to hear the case or not and how long that will take.

As far as I know, judges have historically decided not to pursue a case if it would impede the election process (e.g., gerrymandered district ruled illegal, but still used because not enough time to redraw maps). I would like to hope that the Democratic Party gets the same curtsy in this case.

However, I feel that right now given the current political climate, and the current way judges have been deciding in favor of the Republican agenda, this may not be the case and the new candidate will be tied up in legal tape to be able to campaign properly. The Republicans will cease upon this opportunity and use it against the Democratic Party to make them look weak and unable to do anything they say they will do. And to be honest, they won’t be wrong.

Democrats are their own worst enemy, and their hubris will be to all of our detriment.

youtu.be/-lm0Cy8gwvk

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.

Her turn 2.0 watch out yall here comes Hillary! /$

djsoren19 ,

I think the fact that the party was willing to do this says a lot. They’ve already avoided the worst possible option, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Tujio ,

But this is the DNC…

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

Booo the DNC just made an unprecedented pivot which the people actually wanted.

RinseDrizzle ,

Nervously optimistic, but I’ve been hurt before

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

It’s not going to be perfect. It’s not going to even inspire people for the next 4 years. What it will do is get us to January where we, hopefully can rightfully calibrate like we should have in 2020. No matter the winner, THIS DOES NOT END IN NOVEMEBER. Remember that.

Nastybutler ,

Have you met the DNC?

5redie8 ,

Was Bidens image really that bad outside of these internet circles?

assassin_aragorn ,

Yeah it was going to be impossible to properly move forward from this. There would be too much media coverage and division and lingering questions.

Now though, we have a real opportunity to unify, and make several arguments to voters – Democrats listened and picked a younger candidate. We can also flip the script on candidate age now

braindefragger ,

This seems like a non issue.

scytale ,

If, and that’s a big if, they choose to field a moderately likeable replacement, there’s a chance they can actually re-energize the campaign and voters and get a big boost with a fresh face. That’s a big if though.

ShepherdPie ,

They’ll probably pick Clinton to run again and she’ll still probably be making references to Pokémon Go to pull in the youth vote.

enleeten ,

Big Gretch. Trump gets out of line like normal, she’ll give him a little shlap and put him in his place.

Tujio ,

She would be my choice as well, but she just announced she wouldn’t.

zarp86 ,

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/2e1bc41c-9e65-45a5-9f5f-4b873174551a.gif

BrokenGlepnir ,

Other countries have pulled out elections in two weeks. The us may not have that experience though. The campaign however had been directed at his opponent’s well known incompetence and malice. That may be the advantage of divisive politics.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Mike Johnson has literally already made it clear that in these circumstances he intends to CONTEST the new candidate being allowed on ballots.

We live in the fucking stupidest ass timeline.

The time for dropping Biden was before the fucking primaries and now we’re walking right the fuck into a Republican trap.

Fuck me, someone just kill me now so Trump can’t institutionally fucking murder me.

Source: abcnews.go.com/Politics/…/story?id=112129063

Democrats are fuckin morons who want to lose.

Jordan117 ,

Mike Johnson is (as usual) full of shit. The DNC is still a month away and not a single state ballot deadline has passed.

twistypencil ,

That doesn’t mean they won’t tie this up in the courts I’ve a bogus legal theory that the Supreme Court will turn into a reality… Mark my words, unless Biden packs the court, this one is on Clarence Thomas’s desk stat

capital ,

Saving this comment for later.

Kroxx ,

Biden isn’t even the nominee yet that’s one of the reasons it was important this happened before the DNC. Before the nomination this is no official presidential candidate, ol’ Mikey Poo-Bear is yaking out of his ass. Mike even said “some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions”, he’s just posturing for attention. No more threatening than a bantam rooster when you walk in his coup.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

No one can “make biden run”. If he died tomorrow we are suppose to vote for a literal corpse? Boooo

Blackbeard ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

There is no candidate until the convention. Biden wasn’t actually the nominee yet, so there’s nothing for them to contest. Johnson put out that threat to scare you.

morphballganon ,

Johnson is just threatening. He has no power over nominees.

SuddenDownpour ,

Plenty of other countries’ electoral campaigns advance far faster than Americans expect theirs to move, and US media is talking about politics all the damn time. If the Dems don’t do a massive screw up somehow, I think they’ll find out that switching the candidate will be far easier than they were expecting.

deadbeef79000 ,

I’m afraid that cancer may have already metastasized.

ChicoSuave ,

They have the media bomb of “no incumbent” leading the headlines. This is one of the only media maneuvers that would change the conversation from “That Trump overcame assassination and adversity!” At this point a major shift was needed.

The year and a half back log of memes against Biden that right wing contractors have saved up are now worthless. The right will have 3 months to make a cohesive media smear campaign (which they can do against the right candidate) but it will require lots of downtime as the high paid think tanks make astroturf.

Rentlar ,

The fact that Republican troll farms have to now spend time coming up with new material puts a small smile on my face.

They will move swiftly though, while the Democrats are used to being sluggish, so vigilance is in order.

marine_mustang ,

Other countries have whole campaign seasons that are shorter. We’ve just gotten used to multi-year campaigns and never-ending reelection efforts. It wasn’t always like this, and I don’t think it’s good for us long-term.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

Boooo the campaign will be better than what they had in store for biden.

kandoh ,

It’s the same campaign, still has half the ticket on it.

ImpressiveEssay ,

Lol… From a foreigner this is hilarious. Some of you still want to support the guy that tried disrupt the governmental process… He called the frigging election investigator FFS. You can listen to him tell her how 'her job is the most important in The country rn… and talk at length about how fraud will be found.

People that want trump want a king. Plain and simple.

lemmytellyousomething ,

FINALLY…

Bad for the orange one, because the other side will get the whole media attention now.

floofloof , (edited )

We can hope. If the media attention is “Democrats are in shambles 3 months before the election” it might not go so well. And Trump will definitely be making a lot of noise about that.

timestatic ,

I hope the Dems will quickly rally behind a new candidate and show more of the bad side of rump in the political debate, not just Bidens age. I think this is a huge chance

lone_faerie ,

I feel like the Democrats appeared more in shambles with him refusing to drop out. The party was all over the place on their support for him and he was just being a stubborn old man. Now they’ll hopefully all be able to come together and rally behind a single candidate.

Sgt_choke_n_stroke ,

Biggest news this month

_wizard ,
@_wizard@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck.

NateNate60 ,

Yeah, fuck. I just lost $60 on a bet over this

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

$60 well lost for a better candidate.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

I’ll match that donation

Heikki ,

He was literally doing the job and doing it well.

Some of the accomplishments:

Lowering Costs of Families’ Everyday Expenses. More People Are Working Than At Any Point in American History. Making More in America. Rescued the Economy and Changed the Course of the Pandemic. Rebuilding our infrastructure. Historic Expansion of Benefits and Services for Toxic Exposed Veterans. CHIP Act

Here is the full list of his accomplishments.

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

He wasn’t going to beat Trump. Why would you want Trump to win?

timbuck2themoon ,

Yeah sure.

Let’s see if whoever they come up with beats trump. Then you can crow.

NewNewAccount ,

Biden was going to lose. The next candidate may not.

morphballganon , (edited )

I know who could beat Trump.

https://i.postimg.cc/3J20n9kQ/prezposter.png

TacticsConsort ,
@TacticsConsort@yiffit.net avatar

You’re not wrong, but the comparison I like here is Ruth Bader Ginsberg. She wasn’t just doing her job well, she was one of the best Supreme Court Justicies EVER.

She didn’t resign when the time was right, and as a result she died under Trump, a republican got her seat, and all the great things she did were swiftly demolished, wrecking decades of work over one single mistake: Not knowing when to step down.

Now I know the situation isn’t perfectly comparable. But if Trump gets in, then every good thing Biden has done will be swiftly undone. This was a hellish dilemma, but if Biden wants to do his job well, he needs to do that by not letting Trump into the White House again.

JoeBigelow ,
@JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca avatar

My mom doesn’t like when I talk about how badly RBG fucked the people she legitimately worked so hard to uplift and protect, in my opinion because of her ego. I hold very little resentment because I understand wanting to personally preserve your legacy, but that motivation seems to fail more often than allowing someone else to preserve it for you.

rsuri , (edited )

Except he was failing at the most important job - stopping another 4 years of Trump. And yes, that’s partly the media’s fault, but it’s mostly Biden’s fault. Trump’s debate performance matched what could’ve been predicted pretty closely, and Biden failed to rebut Trump effectively and often seemed to help Trump argue against himself. For example, they should’ve easily foreseen that Trump would do the weird brag about his cognitive test scores. Why was there no response to that? Why not demand that Trump produce the results instead of just brag about them, or point out that nobody asked or is impressed by his ability to read a clock? There were like 50 opportunities during that debate for Biden to end Trump’s whole campaign, he missed each one.

Clearly this was unacceptable, and I hope the next candidate dispenses with the vast majority of Biden’s election team.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

Booo. Biden was a rubber stamper. He never had a progressive thought in his life.

towerful ,

IMO, as an outsider, he has done a great job.
Among many successes that have drifted across my news feeds, he has also excelled past the really low bar of “not making a mockery of the US”.

That statement is not exclusive from the statement that “Biden should not run again”.

It’s 4 years later. And he would have to do another 4 years if he won.
I know presidents are more than just a person in the same way a ship can’t sail with only it’s captain. But strong leadership is going to make everything easier.
And Biden is old.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

Better then losing your country.

theherk ,

yeah!

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

FUCK YES!!! Finally the stubborn old man did what we knew he needed to do all along.

Snowclone ,

It’s really a good move. At this point any person under 70 could mop the floor with trump, he’s still the worst possible candidate from any position, and the GOP has had zero time to poison whoever gets the nomination.

cogman ,

Yup. Kamala is also not a bad pick because republicans are almost certainly going to start with racism/sexism as their first attacks “Oh, she’s DEI”. Given trump has been trying to court the black/Latino vote, this will play against him.

Further, Kamala will be able to excellently push him on abortion. Biden really sucked at advocating for women’s rights even though that’s been a winner pretty much every time it’s been the focus of a campaign (there’s a reason Rs have backed away from mentioning it).

It’ll still be close and there’s still a lot of unknowns. However, I for one think this is the right move.

ImpressiveEssay ,

And now we apply the same logic to Trumps mental decline and very old age!!

Right …?? Right!?

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

abcnews.go.com/Politics/…/story?id=112129063

Captainvaqina ,

No one gives a fuck what that fascist loser thinks.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

Fuck

Yeah!

Kroxx ,

Fuck yes you mean! I’m joking, I can see how this is scary and it is risky to an extent( although way less than Biden staying in imo). Here is what I would consider about this though as a positive:

I think this will at least partially reinvigorate the voting population

I don’t know this of course but personally I haven’t been excited about pretty much anything happening in politics in a while. I am actually excited and they haven’t even picked a new nominee yet. Harris would be my least popular pick but if they pick her I will be way more happy/motivated about voting. I hope this pumps some blood into voter turnout.

bdonvr ,

Biden had zero, and I mean ZERO chance of winning. This was the only real choice.

merc ,

He definitely didn’t have zero chance, nobody knows what his chances would have been. This is all uncharted waters.

MrNesser ,

Not entirely unexpected

TheDemonBuer ,
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

I hope the Dems know what they’re doing.

SaltySalamander ,

Morgan Freeman: "They do not"

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Biden wasn’t doing what needed to be done to come back from the debate. This wasn’t a move out of desperation. It was out of necessity.

I hope they have a plan too.

s_s ,

He’s 81 and has COVID

SuckMyWang ,

He likely doesn’t have Covid

kinkles ,
@kinkles@sh.itjust.works avatar

According to…?

SuckMyWang ,

The internet.

I’m on the internet.

kandoh ,

He likely does have COVID

merc ,

Nobody knows what they’re doing. This is all unprecedented stuff.

PhAzE ,

They do. They’re doing what the people asked.

ImpressiveEssay ,

Realistically… from a foreigner . They shouldn’t …really… Have to…

Anybody that votes for trump wants a king. Plain and simple.

Provided America has a functional education system, the Dems should easily be able to coast against someone that actively tried to retain power in the ways that he did. You can listen to the cals yaknow.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Make the democrats mistakes less existential by introducing competition into the electoral process with Ranked Choice voting.

More political parties, more chances to beat trump, more people voting.

ToastedPlanet ,

Last night I was reading an article where they quoted his family, “Don’t they know he’s Irish?”. And I was like shoot I guess he’s not dropping out. 🤯

floofloof , (edited )

I kind of expected them to announce another candidate, not just that their only candidate wouldn’t be. Do they have to elect a candidate now? For how long will only one party have a candidate?

Edit: Just read that they’ll choose the candidate in late August. So for a whole month there will be only Republican campaigning in the media, unless the Democrats can make their process interesting enough to catch the media’s attention.

Another edit: Seems they’re moving much quicker than that after all.

dhork ,

Biden has already endorsed Harris, at least on Twitter. I think that part is over. They already have to nominate someone early due to some deadlines, so the actual nomination will happen in the next week or two. It’s Harris. We should all accept it.

harrys_balzac ,

Goddamn this timeline sucks hairy balls (not to be confused with me cuz ain’t nobody sucking me). I didn’t like her as a VP pick and I don’t like the idea of her as President but she’s still 1000 times better than Cheetodick.

I’d love to see them nominate Bernie or AOC for VP. That’s how they’ll get the 18-24 year olds to come out to vote.

bolexforsoup ,

18-24 year olds didn’t show up for Bernie in 2015 or 2019. They aren’t coming this time. Their enthusiasm always get way overestimated.

5redie8 ,

Probably because that’s one of the primary demos of sites like Lemmy and reddit, plus some sub populations of Twitter

bolexforsoup ,

I also think millennials/gen X need to not demand Gen Z bail us out, especially since a substantial portion can’t even vote yet.

MutilationWave ,

Why not? As an elder millennial/xennial I’d be totally happy with Zs coming up to me saying we saved your ass for the rest of my life if they show up to vote.

mosiacmango ,

The media loves conflict, and this is going to be a juicy one. If anyhting, this sucks the wind out of Trump’s campaign.

Its still going to be “dems in disarray” non stop until they pick someone, but it mutes that chucklefuck up.

ByteOnBikes ,

I’m going to bet the combination of his weak debate, as well as what happened to Trump, pushed this.

Absolutely some nutter is looking for some payback.

dditty ,

Well it is a huge opportunity to steer media coverage away from Trump, which will likely be the most effective tactic at the moment

someguy3 ,

Wow.

AlexanderESmith ,

Hopefully Camilla doesn't skip any battleground states while she's campaigning, like somebody...

lemmytellyousomething ,

An alternative is needed. The search in the nearest old people’s home has probably already begun.

Sorry for the sarcasm…

harrys_balzac ,

DNC staffer, screaming into the phone: “What do you mean Jimmy Carter won’t take our calls?”

credo ,

I know people will say this is bad, a new campaign will be rushed, etc. But I think we all know Biden was an excuse for many not to vote, or worse, to vote for Trump. Withdrawing will be his legacy when we win, not his failing.

Thank you President Biden. You are a hero.

njm1314 , (edited )

Nobody who would consider voting for Trump is going to vote for whoever replaces Biden. Nobody. This is about getting apathetic voters off their butt. Which I hope works, but every part of my being is telling me they’re going to pick someone who apathetic voters wouldn’t vote for anyway.

Pacattack57 ,

Kamala 🙄

Krauerking ,

People have done more with less campaign time and he will go down as having listened and done what was requested of the people and party I honestly think this says a lot of good stuff about the democratic party and Biden once we get the spin right.

cogman ,

It won’t be hard. Kamala is going to be able to put a bullseye on Trump and republican politics like Biden simply wasn’t ever able to do. She’s going to be able to hyper focus on the deeply unpopular beliefs of the base and it will be hard for Trump or others to really deny it without losing their core supporters.

Further, because she’s relatively unknown there’s really not the same baggage as there was with Hillary. Most people don’t know who she is and I think that really plays to her favor.

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s be honest here, Trump will never lose his core supporters. He could literally turn out to be the devil incarnate, and his supporters will say it’s their god’s will. He’s a 34-count convicted felon and they see that as something to boast about.

The issue in this country is that the less educated are following those with a playbook of getting the less educated to vote, to vote for them, and in areas that games the electoral college system.

We were a hair’s breadth from another Trump term in 2020 by 11,000 votes in GA. Not to mention his coup attempt.

It cannot be that close again. It must be decisive. I hope Harris, if she is the nominee, can achieve that.

Schmoo ,

Kamala is going to be able to put a bullseye on Trump

I agree with you but this is an interesting choice of words given other recent events lol.

assassin_aragorn ,

If we win in November, it’ll be because Biden made this selfless decision. He’ll deserve medals and statues.

CosmicTurtle0 ,

Biden absolutely did the right thing and, perhaps, the most courageous thing.

Democrats would have coalesced around him if decided to keep going but we’ve been begging him to step aside. This is a key difference between Trump “fans” and Biden voters. We’re not drawn to him as a personality.

Once a candidate is selected, I don’t care who it is, we must support them because not doing so is voting for an end to democracy.

The fact that we’re here is a travesty.

jumjummy ,

Except for the bank of those who are just Russian agents who will undoubtedly find some new “excuse” why the Democrat candidate is not fit to run.

capital ,

Expect lots of “cop” comments in regards to Harris from Russians totally real leftists.

MutilationWave ,

She was a cop. She called herself the “top cop”. I fucking hate the police and she’s got my vote over a literal pedophile felonious fascist.

capital ,

Seriously, thank you for voting.

assassin_aragorn ,

I’m no fan of cops, but I think this actually plays very well with the political environment. Recent elections saw rebukes of progressive Police policies in the Pacific North West. As much as I wish it were otherwise, that message isn’t resonating with voters even in considerably progressive areas.

Having a traditional prosecutor may be an advantage in that regard. And it may provide us a new avenue to look at how we can have better policing that more people will support.

sentientity ,

Fwiw, I am harshly critical of most elected dems but I have never considered not voting. I think I and many people hold our allies (for lack of better term) to higher standards and get angrier when they fuck up. So I think a lot of these posts are just that. Harsh criticism of a candidate =/= not voting for them. People are strategic about voting pragmatically, they’re just also very frustrated with the dem establishment’s behavior.

kandoh ,

It’ll be great to have a woman talking about abortion and making this election a referendum on national abortion access.

Americans love to vote for something rather than against something.

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

But, when democrats lose due to this move… ???

I would have preferred him to stay on course. While I don’t care what sex they are or color or whatever, a fuckload of garbage twats in this country sure as fuck do. Biden was also likeable in public appearances. I have fuck all idea what Harris is like, and 5y of time vs like 4 months to win public opinion, oof it will be an absolute blitz. And I consider myself rather knowledgeable and up-to-date on US politics. I have friends that have no idea what’s going on at any given time, or why.

I need to research her now and become familiar, but I see this as a big negative for chances, not positive. Anxiety spiked hard about what’s to come.

Anyone in Canada looking for a roommate…?

bolexforsoup ,

If*

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

Sure. Still doesn’t invalidate the concern.

Schmoo ,

While I don’t care what sex they are or color or whatever, a fuckload of garbage twats in this country sure as fuck do

This is my least favorite argument I keep seeing for why Biden shouldn’t drop out. The racist shit-heels you’re referring to were always going to vote for Trump regardless of who the Democratic candidate is. There is no reason for Democrats to try and appeal to racists, and even if there were it would be immoral to do so. Sacrificing your values to win is no true victory.

You’re losing your nerve, and while that’s understandable, it’s self-sabotage.

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

I wouldn’t say I’m ‘sacrificing values’, more like “woman bad, no vote for” is strong here still. Yeah yeah ‘we will see how it goes’ but that’s exactly what fucking scares me, we don’t get a “best 2 out of 3” save, and we need fucking EVERYONE on board to avert catastrophe.

I’m in a swing state and it’s like a sea of Trumpers and I’m just like “yeah, we are fucked”.

jwt ,

I’m so thankful I live in a country where 4 months is (still) believed to be a ridiculously long amount of time to campaign.

Good luck America! Please show the rest of the world you’re still capable of making sane choices.

BuddyTheBeefalo ,

I hope for a next president who understands that they shouldn’t use twitter.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

As long as the public reads Twitter to the degree they do, the President’s team is gonna have a Twitter communications strategy.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Holy shit.

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