They operate through a nonprofit here in order to lobby for hate. It is an exceptionally huge problem. There’s a dude not 40 minutes from the capitol city with a warrant for his arrest and a militia and the government is just letting him do what he wants.
You know, something I’ve been wondering lately is how many 18650 batteries you’d need to boil water with a jerry-rigged magnetron and beam focuser if you’re 50ft~100ft away.
“someone reported seeing people loading into a U-Haul van like ‘a little army’ at a hotel parking lot in Coeur d’Alene”
That’s all you need to know to see how safe these guys felt in their actions. It literally didn’t occur to them to maybe hide all that, just a bit? FFS, when I’m loading up to go shoot at my camp, I keep it on the downlow. And this is a hyper conservative area.
I used to listen and try to understand when I lived in rural counties in the US. Now all I hear is…
Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
This patronizing attitude is part of the reason politicians like Trump has become popular. He talks to these people who the "civilized" part of the country is totally ignoring. You care about climate change, and so do I. But what if you live near a coal mine that has slowly been phased out? You see your town which your grandfather lived in slowly rots away. You see America as a failing country - you see stores closing. You see people moving away. People dying from opiate overdose. Unemployment and depression
These people have real and legitimate grievances. Their government has failed them - which is why anti-establishment figures like Trump is such a lightning rod for their energy. Then we go and tell them that we need to make sacrifices for the climate. What are they supposed to think? What more do they have to give?
Ignoring these people and pretending like they don't matter or are totally irrational is going to help lead to fascism in this country. Any real revolutionary movement will have to incorporate the whole of America. We need these people on our side.
TRhis is an extremely good point. I fear a further polarisatoon of society is almost inevitable, it seems we (different bubbles in society) are slowly drifting apart like tectonic plates. A process like that is hard to slow down, let alone stop or reverse.
Cry me a river. Clinton had a plan to retrain and retool these coal towns your describing into productive green energy leaders and they rejected it because she eats babies and wind farms kill birds, or whatever. They are totally irrational and I'm not going to keep pretending otherwise. The real government failure is lack of education spending and critical thinking skills (thanks GOP) that is going to take generations to correct.
Edit: I'll add there are sparks of "hope" in rural america now that farmers are seeing the impacts of climate change effecting their yields, I think they are starting to come around. Probably too late, but it's something...
So how do we prevent the rise of fascism this generation? There’s already serious and increasing calls to violent action, since of which have been acted on, with little to no consequences.
Impossible to say, there is no easy or immediate fix that I can imagine. I've basically accepted the underlying threat of fascism is something we are going to be dealing with for the rest of our time on the planet. Continue to vote to keep fascists off the levers of power, continue to protest whenever they have the levers, and pray the wheels of justice ground finely for enemies of democracy. Perhaps our kids or grandkids will find themselves in a better situation for their times...
They are totally irrational and I’m not going to keep pretending otherwise
The real government failure is lack of education spending and critical thinking skills (thanks GOP) that is going to take generations to correct.
We do ourselves no favors by reinforcing the cultural divisions drawn by the upper classes “media elite”. We have more in common with rural conservatives than with wealthy liberals, and we should stop pretending otherwise. Continued disenfranchisement only serves to divide us more.
I’ll add there are sparks of “hope” in rural america now that farmers are seeing the impacts of climate change effecting their yields, I think they are starting to come around.
That’s just reality creeping in past the bullshit cultural propaganda of the last 50 years. It has always been true that low-income rural counties share the same problems and interests as the lower class urban progressives. We just need to stop feeding into it.
These people have real and legitimate grievances. Their government has failed them.
Yes, they do and yes, they think it has. The problem is that they have been in the business of voting for people who campaign on the “Government is bad, vote for us and we’ll show you just how bad we can make it.” It’s their own fucking fault that the government doesn’t work as well as it could. And despite their best efforts we still manage to have rural internet to connect them to the world in places where they would never be able to afford it, interstate roads to send their crops to market and bring every modern amenity to their local stores, a national air transport system to bring them a new liver or kidney after they’ve destroyed theirs, working ports to bring their tractors and 4 wheelers and snowmobiles, billions upon billions of dollars in (otherwise unaffordable) crop insurance and price supports for their products, and an army of adjusters with stacks of cash to rebuild after every tornado, flood, heatwave, snowstorm, hurricane, and forest fire.
The government has not failed them, they have failed their government. Their hand is out whenever they have a bad day, but their memory is wiped out every time they see that all those benefits might cost money.
There’s only so much handholding you can do for people who actively refuse to listen to facts and science that tell them their way of life, based on the mining of fossil fuels, is long past being sustainable. The best I can offer is my sympathies that they ignored the same writing on the wall that the rest of us have been reading for a couple of decades. It’s on Daddy and Grandpa for not telling their kids that the “family business” is a bad future career choice and not directing them towards something with a more sustainable outlook.
I agree with the idea behind this post, and its why I always approach right wingers with an attitude of education. Their opinons (which themselves are caused by legitimate grievances) are accellerated by ignorance. They cant argue or debate because their viewpoint is not a realistic representation of what has to be done. Their platform has turned into a joke, and thats honestly disappointing to see.
The increase in right-wing extremism is only fueling further ignorance, and radicalized ideas never hold up in any kind of evidence-based debate.
I’m going to address a single point here; these people grievances are at this point, unfortunately, the consequences to their own actions.
Hillary had a clear path for moving these rurale areas into future looking manufacturing jobs, and people who would have been helped by those exact investments laughed her off and voted for Trump in trove. Then Trump closed plenty of factories while just boating he’d save jobs the same days those jobs were laid off.
The government didn’t fail them. They failed the government.
If you live somewhere where there’s no work, and you don’t do anything to help yourself, I don’t really have much sympathy. That’s not the government’s problem, it’s yours.
Now if you’re disabled or something that’s a different story, and we do have programs to help those people. But “regular” people who can’t understand that times change shouldn’t hold everyone else back.
You can’t engage with people who want to murder their perceived enemies. Sorry that it sucks to live in a rural area, but they have to regain some semblance of sanity before a conversation can take place.
Yeah we absolutely need to find ways to revitalize the rust belt and Appalachia in climate friendly ways. But it should be remembered that when they’re offered compromises that help them I’ve seen plenty get mad. Like yeah Appalachia has suffered for coal’s death, but the jobs aren’t coming back. It just doesn’t take a town to level mountains for coal. And nobody has suffered more for coal’s presence than small coal towns. They’re still poisoned from the mining runoff. And even without decarbonizing coal isn’t coming back. It’s too expensive and inefficient compared to solar and natural gas.
The point wasn't the rare coal town but the perception that pervades the rural areas of this country. It doesn't have to be coal towns - there are similar stories for all smallish cities across the Rust Belt for example. You're focusing on a specific when really the point is that fascism grows only in poor economic situations.
These people are legitimately suffering and they are turning to hate as a response. Trust me, you or me could have easily been in their shoes had we been in their position. But just like they have been swayed to hate, I think it's possible to sway them to socialism as long as you call it something other than socialism.
Zizek has talked about this before where Trump supporters in 2016 were a hair's breadth away from being Bernie supporters. While a bit of a dramatic statement, there is some truth in this. When the economic situation is unstable, radicalism grows in both directions - left and right. Which is why around the same time period we saw an openly socialist candidate for president in the US receive about 6% of the general vote - while we also saw massive Nazi rallies in New York City.
Everything is connected. We are fighting for the hearts and minds of the same people.
In theory I agree with everything you said. In this specific example I don’t buy it. The people threatening this weather man aren’t taking that position because climate change legislation is hurting them personally. They’ve just brainwashed by right wing propoganda
Was more to do with the comment I replied to than the original post
Magic sky man scary me no like. Bad man make planet hot because we be naughty.
I used to listen and try to understand when I lived in rural counties in the US. Now all I hear is…
Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Sure, people making death threats to weathermen are nutters. But majority of people living in these areas are not so crazy, even ones that lean Trumpers
So you’re saying that temps are rising because we’re releasing all the sun’s stored energy back into the air, and not because some dude likes another man?
For many southerners, bigotry against non-whites is part of their identity. Are they saying the KKK should be a protected class? How can making a religion out of the belief that you deserve a particular piece of real estate be a protected class?
Zionism is an ethno-cultural nationalist movement that emerged in Europe in the late 19th century and aimed for the establishment of a Jewish state through the colonization of a land outside of Europe.
In other words, taking somebody else’s land.
It eventually focused on the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, a region corresponding to the Land of Israel in Judaism, and of central importance in Jewish history.
Specifically, Palestinian’s land.
Following the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism became the ideology supporting the protection and development of Israel as a Jewish state and has been described as Israel’s national or state ideology.
State religion. That never turns out bad, does it? /s
I just wanna point out bigotry against nonwhites is in no way exclusively southern nor is it more prevalent in the south than other places. All your other points I completely agree with. Take a trip to the dakotas, Ohio, half the Midwest, anywhere rural even in progressive havens like Washington and Oregon. The list goes on.
Therefore, Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft will undock from the station early next month—the tentative date, according to a source, is September 6—and attempt to make an autonomous return to Earth and land in a desert in the southwestern United States.
The whole world will be watching that and if it fails, so will Boeing.
Airbus can’t just jump in and suddenly make all the planes to replace Boeing’s civilian sector. Moreover they are irreplaceable in the defence sector. If Boeing really is to go down completly, it will take years of bad news.
It’s not clear to me that they are irreplaceable. If enough of their planes fall apart, you have no choice but to replace them. And also, if Boeing is so incompetent that they can’t get anything right, that’s a good argument for nationalizing the company. If they’re necessary but incompetent, and all track records indicate that they are getting worse, then the only solution is to take them over.
This is the way. Bail them out when they tank, but do so with a 51% (pr more!) stock purchase by the gov on behalf of the people/society. Force a new board. Fix the company. If they’re ever profitable again they’re free to buy their stock back from the gov at the market price. I’m not usually a capitalist, but an /actual/ capitalist bailout seems like a good way to fix the rot in this case.
At this point, I have very little doubt he will be getting a significant prison sentence when he goes to trial. They clearly have a mountain of evidence against him.
Unless you listen to the tater tots, of course. He’s just being attacked by beta cucks because of their jealousy over just how ALPHA he is. It’s a flavor that’s very similar to that coming from the musk rats.
Look at his smile, he’s so proud. As if he just invented the concept of the pun. “You get it guys? Sink in, but it also means, like, a sink you can wash your hands in? So funny. Hysterical. Guys, please laugh.”
Kamala might actually make some progress on the symptoms of capitalism, but she’ll never stop the root cause. Best case scenario is things are less bad for 4 or 8 years than they could be.
Exactly my point. We might have “conversations” for a few years, then we’ll go right back towards moving to the right. Just like what happened with Obama. Just like what happened with Clinton.
Nobody said it would be easy, it’s taken the right wing almost 7 decades to forge their alliance with Christian fundamentalists. I don’t expect The Left to be able to enact massive change in any less time if they’re even able to mobilize.
Even a best case scenario of 8 years of Harris and then 8 years of Walz could only be the beginning of unfucking what The Heritage Foundation and Reaganomics and trickle-down lies have done over the last half century.
The way you change things is to start at the bottom. If it were even possible to get a socialist president, they’re be incredibly unpopular, and they’d have a very hard time working with Congress. We need to be playing the long game like conservatives did, building up from local office like school boards.
So the people of the UK had to have universal healthcare rammed down their throats. I don’t remember the stats but it was extremely unpopular. Turns out they loved it. Now if someone campaigned on privatizing the NHS they’d be laughed out of the room.
The day a neoliberal actually follows through on their working class election promises is the day that pigs fly. They just tell us this stuff because they know it’s what we want to hear and will get them elected. After the election, ‘priorities’ always change and they’ll suddenly be telling us why they absolutely have to give a bailout to some company like Comcast because it’s best for America. I have a bit more optimism from someone like her than Biden, but I have no faith in the party or it’s leadership.
So historically lip service to progressivism has always been democrats go to play. But I feel like it could be different this time. Kamala chose a running mate who has a history of actually passing progressive agenda items, and he’s relatable to boot.
Maybe they will do the democrat thing, maybe they won’t.
Vance being a union guy is interesting to me. It just sucks that he’s so old it’s unlikely he’ll be able to be president next, I think after this election being over 70 will be a death sentence for a presidential campaign.
Go back to mother Russia. Just off the top of my head with 30 seconds of thinking about it and no research:
Obama: Implemented “Obamacare” allowing millions of Americans with pre-existing conditions to get affordable healthcare for the first time.
Biden: Limits on predatory interest rates across the board. Limited Insulin prices.
Both of them have actively gone after people and businesses ripping of medicare which universally helps the working class through better care and lower taxes.
But sure, they’ve done NOTHING for the working class.
Give me a break. The ACA was a Republican drafted plan that did little more than cement the private insurance model in place. They allegedly went with this over single payer (like the rest of the planet) because they wanted to get Republicans on board and still zero Republicans voted for it and then they spent the next decade drafting bill after bill to repeal it. The only benefit that came out of that was the removal of the pre-existing clause and the ability to buy insurance off a marketplace when you didn’t have a job. Actual insurance/healthcare prices have continued to skyrocket year after year and plenty of people are still filing for bankruptcy due to medical costs. Per capita, we’re still paying the highest rates in the world and twice as much (in both public and private costs) when compared to the number two country for healthcare expenditures.
Limits on what predatory interest rates? You can go look at car loan rates for people with bad credit and they’re 20% or more currently. Payday loan places can still charge 400% APR.
Limits on insulin prices is great but what about the million other drugs on the market? The fact that pharma companies can make a miniscule change to some old drug and then re-patent it and jack the price up 4000% is the issue not the cost of insulin. This wouldn’t even be needed if we’d have gone single-payer 15 years ago. Treating the symptoms of the disease doesn’t change the fact that you still have the disease.
During that time they’ve also handed out billions to mega corporations rather than doing anything directly to help the struggling working class. It’s just more trickle-down bullshit.
If we stop funding the genocide, what are we going to spent that $20B on? Student debt forgiveness? Medicaid expansion? A functional domestic transit system? Cybersecurity worth half a shit?
Fuck you. No. We’re blowing it all on new kit for a dozen IDF soldiers jerking themselves over a pile of lingerie stolen from a dead Palestinian.
Walz has also responded to criticisms that he may be viewed as too liberal.
“What a monster!” Walz quipped on CNN. “Kids are eating and having full bellies so they can go learn and women are making their own healthcare decisions … So, if that’s where they want to label me, I’m more than happy to take the label.”
This is 100% how it should be handled.
Deflect the bullshit and pivot right back to the issues.
Too many Dems instead try to convince people they’re not progressive. We need to keep it on issues instead.
Voters agree with progressive policy, they’re just brainwashed to hate anything labeled “progressive”.
Exactly. And Waltz has an excelent track record for deflecting bullshit. I can’t wait to see him in this new role. I’m just sad that we need to find a replacement governor in MN.
Maybe jussssst maybe we don’t need to hand piece of shit billionare owned media exclusivity? Like mayyyyybe we use a college campus and have the signal aired and all so-called “media” can broadcast it to their audiences? The moderators are more than likely the issue they’ll argue about, but all they did last time was read off a card and hit a mute button (sometimes)… A janitor and the weekend maintenance person could handle that shit.
Nahhh… That’s like commusocialvezuelaism or something.
”And he is really into Pokemon cards right now, he’s going through a Pokemon phase… I mean he’s really into it, so he is trying to talk to me about Pikachu and I am on the phone with Donald Trump, I’m like ‘son, shut the hell up for 30 seconds about Pikachu,’” Vance told the podcast.
Wow. Maybe Vance should have gotten some stability in his career before he had kids. Maybe figured himself out a little better and grown as a person until he was ready.
Children are a life-altering obligation, after all. Maybe Vance would have been happier if he focused on his career first. Of course, that’s a deeply personal matter, and I would never assume that I know better than someone else what is best for their life.
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