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Blackbeard , in This Supreme Court has redefined the meaning of corruption.
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

Government power to limit corporate corruption? No sir!

Government power to charge the President with crimes? No sir!

Government power to interpret Congressional statutes? No sir!

Government power to ban firearms? No sir!

Government power to limit religious influence in public schools? No sir!

Government power to distort voting districts to ensure partisan outcomes? A-OK!

Government power to restrict maternal healthcare? A-OK!

Government power to criminalize homelessness? A-OK!

Conservatives care about one thing, and one thing only: ceding power to in groups and stripping power from out groups. Small government for me, big government for thee. “Originalism” is a method for armoring existing and historical power structures, and “conservatism” is the weapon which can be selectively deployed against anything that undermines or weakens those power structures.

lanolinoil ,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

See through the fog and realize there is only the money party here – They have 2 ways to get you and different views on who can use which bathroom, but all road lead to Rome.

Treczoks , in Death Valley heat melts skin off a man's feet after he lost his flip-flops in the dunes

Who the f enters Death Valley on flipflops?

UnrepententProcrastinator ,

Tourists

Duamerthrax ,

I wonder how much CO2 was released getting the Belgian tourist to Death Valley.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

No one should ever do anything.

Duamerthrax ,

People need to reconsider modern indulgences. Things the people did without 100 years ago. I’m not talking about medical advancements, but this type of hyper convenient travel isn’t really necessary.

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

Commercial air travel is actually quite efficient per passenger.

Just a reminder that everyone preaching “individual responsibility” and not starting with the 1% responsible for the lion’s share of carbon emissions, is just carrying water for the 1%.

Duamerthrax ,

Travel itself isn’t necessary. This Belgian traveled half way across the globe to burn his feet in the desert. I won’t travel an hour to hang out with friends that can’t figure out discord.

We can demand the 1% fix their shit and fix our own shit. Not reducing our own consumption only feeds more profits to the 1%.

todd_bonzalez , (edited )
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

Look mate, if I’m going to work myself to death generating profits for the billionaire class, I’m going to use whatever surplus value I’m allotted to live my life, and that includes travelling the world and seeing as much of it as I can afford to in the time I have.

And anyone who dares question my choice to fly economy to Europe/Asia/Oceana or wherever else I feel like visiting once per year, without first reining in the billionaire class that exploits me flying their private jets all over the world on a near daily basis, has revealed themselves to be a class traitor and my enemy.

Flying economy produces 33% fewer carbon emissions per passenger mile traveled than driving a hybrid vehicle (30mpg) without passengers.

The average American drives 14,500 miles per year in their car (26mpg average). A round trip flight between Seattle and Dresden (the flight this family took) is only 10,000 miles. So that flight produces about 3.3 tons of CO2 for one passenger, which comes out to less than 20% of the total average CO2 emissions per capita, and less than half of what is produced by driving.

Germans drive quite a bit less than Americans too, and produce about half the CO2 per capita than an American, so they’ve more than made up for any travel they do.

And there are people like me that live in the US, but live in dense efficient housing and don’t own cars and take hybrid/electric buses everywhere, so you can fuck off if you think I need to keep sacrificing my happiness while the rich burn the world down. If you live in an house or drive a car, you’re doing more damage to the planet than I am, so maybe take a look in the mirror before you throw a fit about one German family that visited America (and died here) 28 fucking years ago.

If you want people to make sacrifices to save the planet, go after the ruling class. If you come after the working class, expect to get what you deserve as a class traitor.

EDIT: The reason I don’t give a shit about the carbon emissions of the working class, is because the carbon emissions of the working class are just fine. The working class isn’t the problem, the ruling class is: visualcapitalist.com/co2-emissions-by-income/ <-- The top 10% produces 49% of all CO2 emissions. The bottom 90% produces 51% of all CO2 emissions.

Duamerthrax ,

And there are people like me that live in the US, but live in dense efficient housing and don’t own cars and take hybrid/electric buses everywhere, so you can fuck off if you think I need to keep sacrificing my happiness while the rich burn the world down. If you live in an house or drive a car, you’re doing more damage to the planet than I am, so maybe take a look in the mirror before you throw a fit about one German family that visited America (and died here) 28 fucking years ago.

I live a mile from work, converted my farm to biodiesel, got as much solar installed as allowed and heat with firewood. I’m pissed about keyboard warriors who complain about the rich, but don’t do anything but complain online about it.

feedum_sneedson ,

I live in a hole and eat ants for sustenance.

ripcord , (edited )
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Do you also post comments on any article involving beef chastising people for eating it? Do you eat it? That has a dramatically higher carbon impact than people occasionally (or even frequently) taking a vacation.

Edit: from what I can tell, his share of the greenhouse impact of his flight to and from, is roughly equal to eating two 1/3 pound hamburgers.

~1650kg impact per flight each way / 200 passengers (low estimate) * 2 (to and from) = 16.5kg

Estimated 60kg of impact, per kg of beef produced / * 1/3 pound * 2 burgers = ~18kg of impact.

Edit2: found another source that estimated hamburger beef at 21.88kg of impact (the difference seems to be partly how they estimate the methane produced and its relative impact compared to carbon). If so, then it’d be 6 burgers for that round-trip flight.

Duamerthrax ,

The first 2 or 3 months of the covid lock down was the most optimistic I’ve ever been. The air cleaned up immediately and you could almost see the temperatures start to plateau. We will never achieve something like that again.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

So you’re going to just ignore the question I asked and the points I made, very cool.

Duamerthrax ,

I never mentioned food. I mentioned the needless conveniences that were created in the recent 100 years. Sure, we should be eating less meat.

I’m just sick of all the people in my life who role play as progressives without thinking about their own actions. There’s a friend group that I pretty much dropped contact with because they’re too boomer to figure out Discord and I’m too climate anxietied to drive an hour just to watch youtube videos and have the same dozen or so conversations again. I’ve dropped hollywood movies, partly because of the drive as well, but also the carbon foot print from its production. I literally can not travel for myself without some form of guilt.

I’ve had climate anxiety for the past 30 fucking years. Been sabotaged by my guidance counselor when I wanted to pursue a college that would be interested in that rather then just producing more consumers. FFS, is that all college is for? Sounds like the highest achievement anyone wants for us is to be good little consumers and make their lines go up.

Should I feel vindicated when my crops fail because of the heat?

Also, not everyone works on the same schedule. I have more important things to do than reply to you on your timetable.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

You didn’t mention food, no.

I asked you a specific question, brought in a relevant point, explained why it was relevent, and you’re still ignoring it with some random streams off consciousness.

Also, not everyone works on the same schedule. I have more important things to do than reply to you on your timetable.

What? But…you did reply. That was the point. I wasn’t complaining about the timing, just that you blathered some reply that ignored what it was replying to.

You clearly just want to talk at people, I won’t be getting your reply.

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

Cool anecdote about how reducing needless traffic between homes and offices, to satisfy micromanaging executives and the real estate investors who own their office buildings, reduced pollution superficially in populated areas.

Not sure what this has to do with planes, which have a negligible effect on pollution compared to personal automobiles, but I do advocate for going car-free (and still being able to get around), and work from home for the growing population of employees whose jobs don’t require a physical presence.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Or, like the beef thing I mentioned, which for many people is a worse contributor than cars. Or a number of other high-prioritt things.

I do believe that we all have a role in greenhouse gas reduction, but it’d really help if they were focused on the things that really actually matter. And not being a condescending, unrealistic jackass would probably have helped them make a point too.

Viking_Hippie , (edited ) in FULL SPEECH: President Joe Biden gives address after dropping out of 2024 election

Joe Biden gives address

Silly old man thinks we don’t know it’s 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW 🙄

(Yes, I know that the word doesn’t mean that in this context)

xantoxis , in Elon Musk denies reported $45 million a month pledge to Trump, says he doesn't 'subscribe to cult of personality’

doesn’t subscribe to cult of personality

Well that tracks. Cult leaders don’t really like to acknowledge other cults.

Cosmos7349 ,

There can be only one

Empricorn ,

I mean, you make more money as the leader, but have more fun as a follower.

aseriesoftubes , in Ohio GOP Senator Says 'Civil War' Needed If Trump Loses.

Where are the Republicans whining at him to “turn the temperature down?”

thefartographer ,

It’s all fun and games until someone shoots an ear and a semi-innocent bystander whose wife refuses condolences from the President due to undying (debatable) loyalty to a demagogue

kikutwo , in Donald Trump Does Not Get Post-Shooting Poll Boost

Turns out, he’s still a POS convicted felon and racist.

mjhelto ,

Don’t forget convicted r***st and suspected pedophile! ;)

kikutwo ,

Too funny, I typed rapist and it autocorrected to racist yet that’s even more accurate.

Corkyskog ,

Sometimes when we know there will be a Trump argument with family Trumpers. My wife will yell out at some point of the conversation “He’s a racist!” they then spend a bunch of time loading up their talking points. Only for me to go “Honey, didn’t you mean rapist” and then she will chime in “Oh yeah, he raped his wife and that 13 year old girl… But he is also racist”.

Ends all Trump talk in my experience

PoolloverNathan ,

/ra[cp]ist/

LucidNightmare ,

Did you mean to censor the word rapist, or is this some new weird censor thing?

mjhelto ,

It was intentional out of courtesy for those who may have experienced past trauma or stigma associated with such.

kellyaster , in Black man dies, crying for help, after hotel guards pin him down, video shows: Milwaukee police are investigating the killing of Dvontaye Mitchell, whose death has drawn comparisons to George Floyd’s
@kellyaster@lemmy.world avatar

Check out how news orgs are covering this story.

Associated Press: “Milwaukee hotel employees fired after death of Black man who was pinned to the ground”

NBC: “Video shows Black man being pinned down by Milwaukee hotel security shortly before death”

CBS: “Milwaukee hotel workers fired after death of Black man pinned down outside”

ABC: “Al Sharpton to deliver eulogy for Black man who died after being held down by Milwaukee hotel guards”

CNN: “A Black man died after he was pinned to the ground by security guards at a Milwaukee hotel. Now his family wants answers”

Fox 6 Milwaukee: “Hyatt Regency Milwaukee death; man’s family gathers outside hotel”

Fox News: “”

These are the earliest stories posted by each outlet that I could find. The headlines speak volumes. The local Fox affiliate omits the fact that the man was black in the headline, and Fox News has yet to acknowledge it even happened, which was 12 days ago (June 30). I’m sure they’ll get around to it, though.

werefreeatlast ,

Have you heard about the guy who police poked gently several times in the head with copper clad lead rods? He actually fell tragically to his death.

Then there was another instance where a guy fell asleep forever right after cops made big noises coming from their hands.

SeaJ ,

All of them seem to be using the passive voice to. They should say something akin to “Video shows security guard pinning and killing black man.”

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

That’s standard practice as you can’t say that the guard killed him until he’s actually been convicted.

SeaJ ,

Using an active voice is perfectly fine. The standard practice is to use the term alleged if there is a possible crime. Saying “Security guard pins black man and man dies” is absolutely fine.

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

Killing isn’t a legal designation. You can factually say that someone killed a another person without calling what they did murder or manslaughter.

prole ,

I was thinking along the same lines… but I don’t think I’d want anyone to be able to publicly label me a killer if it hasn’t been proven yet that I actually killed a person. Maybe there was a second person who actually did it and bailed before the cops showed up and this person was wrong place, wrong time. Not even saying that’s the case in this example (probably isn’t), but we still need to treat it the same as any other.

Manslaughter hasn’t been proven yet either; until they’re convicted, it’s all “alleged.”

Katana314 ,

Hence why it was so incredibly satisfying to get the ruling on George Floyd, and henceforth officially refer to it as “the police murder of George Floyd” - a lot of people will even forcefully correct anyone that tries to refer to it as ‘tragic death’ or ‘accidental death’.

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

Why does it matter that the guy was black?

How about something like:

Hotel guards kill father of two, holding him down while he cries for help.

ipkpjersi ,

Probably because it might have been a hate crime and might have done it for hate reasons, and maybe they will do it again unless they are held accountable. That would be my guess.

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

Shouldn’t they be held accountable for killing a human?

I thought murder was bad, as a general rule.

ipkpjersi ,

Murder once is bad, yeah, of course. You know what’s worse than one murder? Multiple murders, because the person wasn’t stopped.

intensely_human ,

And none of that is a function of race.

Murder is wrong. Murderers should be stopped.

prole ,

let’s pretend statistics don’t exist because the reality of their implications makes me uncomfortable.

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

Agreed.

Have the two men in this instance killed before? I didn’t get that from the article.

CreativeShotgun ,

Cops keep murdering people, the same people too, the same evil fucks killing under the same pretenses. There’s a fucking tendency to kill certain people, wake up

kellyaster ,
@kellyaster@lemmy.world avatar

Why does it matter that the guy was black?

You know exactly why it matters. Go troll somewhere else.

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

I’m not trolling, I read the article and a few things stood out.

This guy has two kids, I have 3 at similar ages, he has a family that loved him. The article states he had some mental health issues, but doesn’t go into how severe (I assume low level, otherwise it would have stated it). It says that he was unarmed, you know what American gun culture fucks up to many things for you, this shouldn’t even be a point of note.

The least interesting thing about a murder victim should be their race. Would it make any difference if he was Chinese, Indian or Samoan? A man was killed, his kids will miss him, is family will morn him.

As for

You know exactly why it matters.

I have an idea why you think it matters, I know why I think it doesn’t. If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

I’m not trolling

Oh, so you’re unpolitically racist. That’s worse, but okay.

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

I know I shouldn’t engage.

But how exactly is it racist, to be concerned with the fact that a murder occurred. I don’t find murder a political issue.

Why do you think murder is political?

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

how exactly is it racist, to be concerned with the fact that a murder occurred.

Is that actually what you think the disagreement is about? Be honest now, is this really what you think you’re being criticized for? Being concerned about murder?

You dismissed the relevance that a white security guard killed an unarmed black suspect, in an era where armed white men regularly killed unarmed black men with impunity.

I don’t find murder a political issue. Why do you think murder is political?

This is a weird response. I never said anything was “political”, I said that your rigid insistence on colorblindness in the case of a white armed security guard restraining and killing an unarmed black man is inherently racist because you seek to invalidate any claim of racial bias despite plenty of evidence that these situations are heavily influenced by racial bias.

You’re asking people to look the other way at an event that is being compared to the murder of George Floyd.

If anything, you seem conspicuously unconcerned about the nature of this murder.

If you think that Black lives are inherently “political”, I am happy to reiterate my assessment that you are a racist person.

prole ,

You’re so bad at this. Just say it with your full chest, my dude. We all know it already, and I’m sure the people in your real life know it.

Racists are always the biggest fucking pussies about honestly expressing their own world view and ideology.

octopus_ink ,

Why do you think murder is political?

Why do you think racial injustice is about politics not basic human rights and decency?

intensely_human ,

Quit making shit up man, it doesn’t help

whoreticulture ,

damn you 1950s racist

octopus_ink ,

I have an idea why you think it matters, I know why I think it doesn’t. If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

There’s a pattern of disproportionate use of force against black folks by police in the US. I’m not going to argue with you about that fact. You either know it’s true, or will not be swayed by any evidence I present anyhow. And when police kill someone who may be yet another example of this, it matters and is worth including.

Zink ,

If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

Oh so you think that racism should be an aggravating factor in sentencing? That sounds like it would be inconsistent with your other statements here. I would expect something like “why is there a lesser punishment for killing a white person you hate than killing a black person you hate?”

Annoyed_Crabby ,

“White folks don’t get in disturbances in Milwaukee?” Sharpton said during the funeral. “Do y’all throw white folks to the ground and put your knee on their neck? The sentence for disturbance is death?”

This is the reason.

prole ,

So humans often study patterns in human behavior in order to gain insight into things like group dynamics, sometimes even as a profession. Crazy right?

And others try to use that data to try and correct historical injustices and atrocities we’ve made against marginalized people. That, I know for sure, is crazy to you.

I’m sure you think this is all just “virtue signalling,” which says a lot about you.

ByteOnBikes ,

Because police has a long history of treating black folk aggressively.

PersnickityPenguin ,

Because police encounters with black people has been an ongoing issue since they were brought over on boats to the united states.

Many studies have highlighted disparities in how black people are treated.

For instance: hsph.harvard.edu/…/blacks-whites-police-deaths-di…

Black Americans are 3.23 times more likely than white Americans to be killed by police, according to a new study by researchers from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. The researchers examined 5,494 police-related deaths in the U.S. between 2013 and 2017. Rates of deadly police encounters were higher in the West and South than in the Midwest and Northeast, according to the study. Racial disparities in killings by police varied widely across the country, with some metropolitan areas showing very high differences between treatment by race. Black Chicagoans, for example, were found to be over 650% more likely to be killed by police than white Chicagoans.

Burn_The_Right ,

It’s almost like conservatives are racist.

superminerJG ,

Probably because a good number of Trump’s supporters are.

thermal_shock ,

and Trump said it was ok

pyre ,

Fox news is probably hard at work trying to find pictures of him on social media with a gun, or drugs, or anything that gives them the “he was no angel” narrative

prole ,

Literally. This isn’t even a joke, I guarantee there are people doing this as we speak.

Zink ,

Yep, because it is extremely effective on their base. Any reason they can discount a person as a bad one, or as a “criminal,” makes them a sub-human animal whose rights and worth can be completely disregarded.

I can hear some of my conservative family now. “Oh he got killed? WELL I GUESS HE SHOULDN’T HAVE CHOSEN TO STEAL/TAKE DRUGS/BE BLACK/BE A CRIMINAL HUH?!?”

pyre ,

yeah i wasn’t making a joke either, they do this every time, the fact that they haven’t reported on this just indicates to me they haven’t found anything yet

nulluser , in Tesla investors to urge judge to reject record $7 bln legal fee in Musk pay case

Aren’t these the same investors that recently decided that that $56 billion package was reasonable? Do they even listen to themselves?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

$56 billion to Elon is good because, based on his performance so far, he’s the smartest man in the world who will make the best cars and make Tesla the most important corporation on the planet.

Have those lawyers ever come up with something genius like the Cybertruck? I rest my case.

Bookmeat ,

If you don’t pay the $7b then maybe next time Elon won’t get his pay package…

SeaJ ,

And it’s like one of the board members said, it’s not about money. It’s about making sure Elon is motivated and we do that…by giving him a bunch of money.

girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Their cognitive dissonance is strong.

TOModera ,

I don’t disagree, however I never found anyone breaking down the % of shares that Musk owns vs others. So I think it could be that Musk plus his buddies have enough shares to get the votes for the pay package, but only 51%, leaving 49% to be annoyed at the costs.

Buffalox ,

Not quite, the case was started by a small minority investor.

SeaJ ,

Small minority is even an understatement in how small the investor is. The suit was started by a metal head who owned less than 10 shares.

phoenixz , in The Supreme Court rules that state officials can engage in a little corruption, as a treat

typically payments made to an official after an official act as a token of appreciation

Am I taking crazy pills or is this asshole just literally saying here that it’s okay to be corrupt?

rbesfe ,

Don’t worry, it’s only okay if the payment is made after the act is carried out. Everyone knows that corruption follows a strict order of operations, which if broken, means it’s not corruption anymore!

Buddahriffic ,

It removes one of the angles that made attempting to bribe someone risky: they could just take the bribe but then do what they were going to do anyways. Can’t really retaliate legally without admitting you tried to bribe someone and if they told anyone about it in private, then there’s a good chance that motive will come out if the official ends up dead.

But now the whole process is going to be the official does the act and it’s the briber’s choice if they follow through.

Varyk , in Roger Stone Caught on Tape Discussing Trump’s Plan to Challenge 2024 Election

I wonder if they’re actually dumb enough to try the false electors scheme twice in a row?

They got caught are being convicted right now for doing it in 2020, and everybody is expecting it now.

Maggoty ,

If it works then you get to convict the other side for being fake.

Varyk ,

Sure. But there are less idiotic and more effective ways to try to seize power.

Literally forging documents and sending them in two institutions that verify documents is pretty dumb.

Resulting in legal consequences already.

Maggoty ,

You’re still assuming those bodies operate in good faith. Democrats must win the house and senate to ensure that.

Varyk ,

Nope, I’m not assuming these bodies operate in good faith.

I’m taking what happened before into account and the outrage and legal culpability for a large scale, lazy conspiracy, and making a prediction based on that.

m13 ,

Whatever the result they’re going to keep trying again. Why wouldn’t they when there are virtually no consequences? Fascists don’t give a damn about what election results say, they’re always going to try to gain power by any means necessary.

Varyk ,

Well that’s what I mean.

There are so far very severe consequences. Lawyers have been disbarred, dozens of people have been charged, the trials are ongoing right now and more charges are occurring from more agencies. there are a whole lot of legal consequences which is why i am wondering if they’re going to do it again.

They don’t care about election results, but they do care about legal consequences.

Censored ,

They only care about the legal consequences that affect THEM. There’s always another idiot lawyer ready to get disbarred.

Varyk ,

Right, that’s the nice part about legal consequences for them. They care about those legal consequences.

eestileib ,

The trials are being sandbagged by republican judges, nobody is actually getting punished for trying to steal the election. They’re gonna do it again.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Uh… If you don’t want your election stolen, you, uh, you gotta vote. Vote so hard they can’t steal it. Make your friends vote. Make your friends’ friends vote.

Because if we don’t win this year, we don’t get to have any more elections. No more voting. We’re getting rid of it because your don’t vote good.

joostjakob ,

I’m pretty sure they’ll do increasingly farcical votes for some time after.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

That’s basically Texas and Florida right now

shottymcb ,

You sound like a MAGA moron. Also encouraging people not to vote, and encouraging people to not vote for Biden elsewhere in the thread. Sus.

eestileib ,

I, uh, have voted in every election I’ve been eligible to vote in.

Varyk ,

That’s happening more with The classified documents case, not with the fake electors.

Good news, The fake elector charges and trials are actually going through without a hitch, have a lot of defendants informing on co-defendants. Several defendants have already pled guilty, participants are being arrested, more charges are coming, there’s actually a lot going on with this case.

Censored ,

But who is the defendant in the fake electors trial? This isn’t one where Trump himself is on the docket, right?

Varyk ,

It would be strange if he wasn’t eventually charged since he was definitely part of the plot.

This is a case that goes across eight states with dozens of defendants, some have already pled guilty, many are working with the prosecutors to provide testimony against peer and higher co-defendants.

Trump hasn’t been charged yet, but people are still getting charged for the fake electors scheme every month, and since he was on the phone with these people convincing them to forge and mail in the documents, I can’t see why he wouldn’t be charged.

It’s being investigated right now as to how to charge Trump, since he was personally involved in this scheme.

He’ll probably be one of the last people charged.

Especially now that he was already convicted once and it isn’t taboo or anything to charge him with felonies.

There are so many defendants, this was such a huge conspiracy that most of the trial still haven’t started, and several defendants haven’t been arraigned.

But it’s going forward!

eestileib ,

What about the one in DC run by Judge Chutkan that’s on indefinite hold thanks to the Supreme Court?

What about the one in Georgia that is on indefinite hold thanks to the Georgia Supreme Court?

Those seem pretty hitched to me.

Varyk ,

As far as I’m aware, the supreme Court we’re not indefinite.

The supreme Court is a piece of s*** don’t get me wrong, but I’m pretty sure that trial is still going on.

And Trump’s lawyer admitted that “private acts of a sitting president are not entitled to immunity”.

Yeah, so that’s going well.

Georgia, that one is currently on hold, but it doesn’t negate all of the other ongoing cases against him and none of the charges are going away.

Scotty_Trees ,
@Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world avatar

They will. And they’ll take it to the Supreme Court, where <checks notes> they’ll just install Trump as the winner of the election. Mark my words.

Varyk ,

Humbug. I take cynicism lightly.

They didn’t get past mailing in the forged documents last time, and they have a worse chance this time.

They’d have to do something different, like state legislatures passing laws that say they don’t have to listen to appointed electors.

That’s already failed, but that’s the tack I think they’ll try to refine, since they’re approaching it so poorly right now and direct forgeries don’t work

Asafum ,

I would think that failure just exposes points of improvement. They failed before, but now they know how to succeed. :(

Varyk ,

I think that’s just distant fatalism.

It’s not like they can forge the documents better this time.

They’ll have to try completely different, like changing State legislatures to somehow ignore election results or claim that the state can use their own electors.

Most of the people who forged the documents or participated in the conspiracy the last time are going to be pretty busy in trial or testifying in trials.

Dozens of people, anyone significantly involved in the fake electors scheme is facing charges or will be facing charges soon, many of them have already pled guilty.

Asafum ,

I hope you’re right!

HubertManne ,

yeah. I doubt they would do that unless there was a precedence set for a court to determine a presidential election.

stringere ,

There is. Bush v Gore

Censored ,

That was technically a procedure to allow or disallow a recount of a specific vote in a specific district in Florida. And yes, the Supreme Court will be ruling on those again.

Natanael ,

Gore vs Bush…

HubertManne ,

them? double down?! surely not.

Censored ,

Who is being convicted? It sounds like nobody’s been convicted yet, so they’re wiling to try it again. Also who cares if some false elector goes to jail? Not Trump. Not the dirty ratfucker.

Varyk ,

Well, as a personal conspirator in this game, dumps is certainly liable.

He’s been indicted in Georgia. And by the doj, so dumps will have to fight those charges of conspiracy.

This is such a huge case investigated by so many agencies that everyone isn’t even charged yet 4 years later.

So the convictions will take time, but at least eight people, including chesebro and other planning-level agents, have actively been working with every investigation testify to the involvement of the others.

The trials and convictions are still ongoing, but a few trials have finished.

I only know about the ones that have pled guilty and are informing on others. But none of this is halted or not happening, it’s just that the trials and sentencing are still going on.

rayyy ,

They are dumb enough to try a bunch of other stuff, including violence, again though.

chiliedogg ,

No. Instead they’re gonna have state legislature throw out the results of the election. Which they can probably do, Constitutionally-speaking.

The State legislature pick the electors. Just because they all use a popular vote to do it doesn’t mean they can’t change the law in between the voting in November and the actual election in December.

Varyk ,

Ha, I’ve answered that two or three times to other people here!

I agree that changing or interpreting the law to pick stricty conservative electors is their next strategy, but I don’t think it’s going to be as simple or successful as they imagine.

Sort of like how they didn’t realize sending in forged documents was very likely to fail.

chiliedogg ,

Forged documents are illegal. Changing laws regarding how electors are selected isn’t.

Heck - way back in 2000 the Supreme Court hinted at the tactic in the majority opinion in Bush v Gore, saying that the Florida legislature probably could have just selected electors directly after the vote.

Varyk ,

Actually, a lot of the fake electors tried to use the defense that there’s no specific law against fake elector documents.

Colorado just signed a law that says fake electors are illegal.

Landscape’s a lot turnier then it looks

SatansMaggotyCumFart , (edited ) in A Christian writer attacked Dolly Parton for being pro-LGBTQ+. It didn't end well for the writer.

I don’t know her personally but it seems like Dolly is the type of person that any true christian would strive to emulate.

EleventhHour ,
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These people would put Jesus on trial. Of course they’re attacking Dolly.

Rhaedas ,

Since Jesus would love all the people they hate, yes they would.

FlyingSquid ,
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kevindqc , in Up to ten people including children shot at public splash pad in Michigan

How many more lives will be sacrificed at the altar of the second amendment before something meaningful happens?

aseriesoftubes ,

How many you got?

Cocodapuf ,

Yeah, that sounds about right… This fuckin country…

JimSamtanko ,

Most of them?

FlyingSquid ,
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Look, what’s more important here, the lives of children or a piece of metal and/or plastic?

SaltySalamander ,

All objects matter!

Carmakazi ,

This country will break before anything meaningful happens, just like with chattel slavery.

FenrirIII ,
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Sad fact: Until someone starts killing the children of rich white people, nothing will change.

nilloc ,

Nope they have a playbook for that too. Although it’s why Sandy hook parents won the billion dollar lawsuit. But it’s also why the Trumpets are pushing for suspension of habeas corpus if he wins.

GBU_28 ,

I’d say around 100k

Treczoks ,

At the moment, about 82k a year.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Depending on how November goes it might not matter anymore.

aramis87 , in Sandy Hook families want to seize Alex Jones' social media accounts

"I've already sold everything but my house," Jones said on June 7. "I'm down to my last moves on this."

Then dance harder, ugly monkey, dance harder.

azimir ,

It sounds like he needs to get the house on the market. Keep shaking those pockets out, you fascist fuck.

BorgDrone ,

Exactly. They should take everything, he should only be allowed to keep one pair of clothes, but that’s for our benefit so we wouldn’t have to look at his ugly naked ass. When he’s living on the street, eating from the trash, and someone hands him some change, that should be taken away from him immediately. He should not be allowed to own a single cent until his entire debt is paid off.

brygphilomena ,

Nah, I still think housing is a human right.

Send his ass to the projects though.

BorgDrone ,

I still think housing is a human right.

I’ll bet he doesn’t

Badeendje ,
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The fact he can keep his mansion is bullshit. Go rent a studio appartement. Pay your debts

FlyingSquid ,
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He’s going to have to sell the mansion because you can’t maintain a mansion without a lot of money. The HVAC bill alone is massive.

Dkarma ,

He made people kill themselves. His last moves don’t come until there is a gun in his mouth and his own finger on the trigger just like those parents he tortured

Cybermonk_Taiji ,

Still too good for one of the worst humans ever to draw breath

homesweethomeMrL , in Elon Musk’s Boundary-Blurring Relationships With Women at SpaceX

Elon Musk’s Boundary-Blurring Relationships

What the chicken-fried fuck is this prosaic bullshit? Say “Harrassment” like a proper adult publication, you Murdochian sewer gargoyles.

FFS

Ioughttamow ,

Nothing to add, but goddamn, that comment is art

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
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The whole thing reads like a lawyer was the editor, because they know sure as shit they will get sued by that pile of entrails come to life.

APassenger ,

“When you’re a star…”

skuzz ,

Your words…they are beautiful. They did send a poet.

intelisense , in Bill Gates' McDonald's Gold Card Offers Free Food for Life, Few Non-billionaires Were Offered One in This Decade

This is fucking retarded, of all the people to get free meals for life, they choose someone who is so rich it wouldn’t surprise me if he could buy the entire chain of restaurants.

ringwraithfish ,

That’s the point though, right? It’s all publicity. They don’t want to give it to someone who may actually use it. Give it to the billionaire who will never use it so.

MeekerThanBeaker ,

Even if he did stop and order at McDonald’s, he’d probably still pay for his meal.

Would be pretty funny for him to go in during rush hour and order free food for everyone waiting in line using the card… though there probably is some fine print.

partial_accumen ,

Even if he did stop and order at McDonald’s, he’d probably still pay for his meal.

I’m betting someone like Gates stopped carrying a wallet with money in it decades ago and is so far disconnected from the price of anything because of his vast wealth that he may not even think to pay for his meal, not because he feels entitled, but because he has had ‘people’ to do that for him for so long.

chronicledmonocle ,

He had a game show thing on Ellen a while ago where he thought something cost $25 that was a couple dollar item.

He absolutely has no idea how much everyday items cost.

TwoThirtyAM ,

I feel like a game like this would be hard for most people who earn a strong professional salary, let alone billionaires.

TrainsAreCool ,

It’s one happy meal, Ellen. What could it cost, $25?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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They don’t want to give it to someone who may actually use it.

They do, at least to some degree. They would love to brag about Bill Gates entertaining an entire Lolita Express’s worth of business colleagues at one of their restaurants. And they would love for people to flock to a franchise location to catch a glimpse of Gates, in the same way nightclubs will pay a premium for models and movie stars to show up at their venues.

The publicity of McDs being associated with the Gates brand is worth far more than the number of burgers Gates could consume, even if he shut down a venue buying people hamburgers on their dime.

tyler ,

I had one in college. They do give them out for scholarships and stuff like that to college kids and those in lower income classes. It honestly really helped.

I hate McDonald’s now though lol.

SkybreakerEngineer ,

Not to mention it’s McDonald’s food of all things

Mongostein ,

This happens all over the place. I work in media and quite often the famous personalities who have a net worth in the millions get catered meals while the crew has to bring their own lunch.

This is just one example, but it’s so fucking backwards how the more money you have, the more free shit you get.

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