It doesn’t say, but as a parent of five kids, I’m going to bet the 2 year old fell asleep and dad didn’t want to wake her. Maybe I’m being too generous, but I guess I’d need more information to be so certain about judging them.
I’ve probably done shit like this before although I’d never let the car out of my sight. And certainly not in 111 degrees. A/C doesn’t really work that well when the car isn’t in motion.
Change in Routine - daily schedule changes after years of it being the exact same, now suddenly your coparent is sick or something and you get the kid
Sleeping Child
Miscommunication - parents believe the other already took the child out
Can you imagine… man. Most mistakes, consequences are more like you have to drive back to the store to pickup the milk you forgot. Not a lifetime of regret and maybe jail time, lawyers’ fees, judgement…
Mine is one such car but it only turns itself off while in drive to save gas at stoplights and such. It doesn’t turn itself off when running while in park.
My 2020 VW Golf definitely turns itself off when in park, but also has the button to disable it.
It will even require a manual restart if it’s been parked long enough, which gets annoying when I spend a little too long dropping off/picking up something, and don’t notice the message, put it in drive, see the message and try to start the car, but can’t until I put it back in park. /rant
I do hate that you can’t permanently disable the feature. Disabling it has (mostly) become a standard part of my startup procedure, but every once in a while I get in a hurry and forget. It makes me unreasonably irritated when I do and the car turns off at an intersection even though all I have to do is slightly lift my foot on the brake not even enough to release the brake. Then I get irritated at myself for forgetting and again for getting irritated so easily.
My car tracks how much idle time it has saved and after 3 years I’m still at something like 10 seconds…
It’s fine for 95% of use cases, but sucks for the rest. But having anyone restrict my ability to make choices for what is best for me and my situation puts a black mark on my book.
You’re thinking of the auto start-stop feature. That is a different feature which aims to save gas while you press the brake pedal.
What others in the thread are talking about is a feature that will fully power off the vehicle after it has been sitting idle for a longer period of time. This includes turning off the engine and any of the electronics that normally continue to run during the auto start-stop.
Could be but it must have a very long timeout. My wife frequently opts to wait in the car while I go run an errand, but I’ve admittedly never timed it. 30min would definitely be on the high end though. If I ever made her wait 60 I’d probably be divorced.
I suppose it’s possible if the cooling system isn’t functioning correctly, but as far as I know, properly functioning, it should be able to idle in triple digits just fine.
Any number of things can go wrong in any number of situations, but you can’t effectively live life accounting for all of them to possibly happen all the time.
Not saying it was the best decision but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think the car would keep the AC on.
It’s definitely a tragedy. The article is too light on information to convict was all I was saying.
I’m not saying that. However, it’s highly recommended that toddlers have baby monitors with them while they sleep. So even if the parents were sleeping, their child’s distress should wake them up. This child was unattended, unobserved, etc.
Leaving a two-year-old alone in a car for 30-60 minutes (he doesn’t even know how long he was gone) isn’t is criminal in and of itself regardless of the weather. On top of that, he knew it was in the triple digits and he’s also not so stupid that he doesn’t know that cars can break down. I don’t know what to tell you. I just hope you aren’t responsible for any toddlers.
Leaving a two-year-old alone in a car for 30-60 minutes (he doesn’t even know how long he was gone) isn’t criminal in and of itself regardless of the weather.
… ummmm, yes it is. Leaving a toddler unattended for an extended period of time is literally multiple crimes.
My mom’s car, a mid-'10s Acura, will turn itself off if you leave with the key and get too far away from the car for too long without enabling valet mode.
Many modern vehicles automatically turn off after 30-60 minutes idling “to save fuel”. I order to turn it off you have to hit the A button on the dash. it’s proven to be deadly.
Just curious, what kind of deadly situation is created when people leave their cars idling for so long?
I’m the kind of person that turns the car off if there is a train coming and I need to wait 5 minutes. I can’t imagine leaving the car running for more than a couple of minutes.
I think if the car is turned on with a button and the key is replaced with a card that works at a distance, a feature that turns the car off when sitting idle for a while seems like a sensible thing. It’s way more likely to be on by mistake than left running for a reason.
But would love to hear what kind of situations there are, I’m just unfamiliar with them.
First obviously you don’t want to let a car idle in an enclosed space. That’s deadly to anyone in the car/garage but also potentially to folks inside the house if it is poorly ventilated.
I would definitely want the car running in 111 degree heat, even when stopped for a train or in a fast food line.
On the other hand, my vehicle, a Chevy Volt PHEV will turn itself off after about 4 hours. While this seems logical, a lot of people who camp inside it or use it to power their camp gear find it really inconvenient to have everything turn off at 1AM. So they recommend a hair tie around the gear shift button to keep the car from turning off.
So there are reasons both for having an auto-off feature and for not having it.
Because it looks like it may have been a tesla and those are failure machines for idiots.
The car probably had “AI” face detection of vulnerable children in high heat conditions which then triggered a “surge subscription” notification on the app. “Upgrade to infant climate+ NOW, in the next 2 minutes, or your air conditioning will be temporarily shifted to heater until you decide to upgrade. Thank you.”
This reminds me of that post about how to spot a kid on the Internet. Insane extreme takes and an inability to understand nuance.
10 years ago no car would automatically turn off if you left it running. It would only stop if it ran out of gas (which could be days). You want to charge a man with murder because he didn’t memorize the owner’s manual.
You want to charge a man with murder because he didn’t memorize the owner’s manual
They were at home. Father got home at 2:45 mother got home at 4:00 and 911 call at 4:10. The father left this poor child in the car for over an hour. You want to blame the fucking car?!
Yeah that worries me a lot. I am heading to that same campground today my third year in the park. I had worried about bears, Bison, or falling or getting injured in a hike. This first year I worry about getting shot just trying to enjoy a vacation. Sick of the gun violence in this country. That no one in the GOP will acknowledge.
I actually kind of like that idea. My shower at home has a soap and shampoo station with three refillable units and I hate it. When I redo the bathroom, that goes. However last hotel I was in had a sleek modern rack, with a piece that attaches to the bottle, so it looks like the bottles are on the wall. Since I don’t have enough space for bottles anyway, that would be a step up
Yup. I travel for work and much prefer to pump as much as I want vs a little squidge from a tiny bottle. The thing I think every time though: some asshole is gonna load one of these up with Nair one day and end up on the news.
They’re nice, but it sucks when you’re in the shower and find out one of them is empty! The people making up the rooms aren’t always great at checking them.
Possibly. I think he really lacks an ability to see how his attention seeking habits negatively affect others, and I don’t think he’s quite capable of having it explained to him.
I feel like something broke in his brain when he got fuck you money for doing good investigative journalism in the early 90s.
Like his brain went “oh okay. Just tell people how they’re being manipulated and you get a free ride.” and he’s been stuck there ever since. And his tales of how we’re being manipulated grew taller and taller.
It’s like some attention seeking shit mixed with a super low IQ. Idk.
I’m of the opinion that the car-based society in the States throughout the 50s to the 90s is the reason they’re all fucked in the head due to lead poisoning from gas fumes
That might explain some of the boomer problems. Jones is a gen-xer though, we had phased lead based fuel out of almost everything by the time he was growing up.
He very well could have eaten lead paint chips as a kid though. His supplements have also been tested and shown to contain unhealthy amounts of lead.
Leaded gasoline calculation to have stolen over 800 million cumulative IQ points since 1940s
A new study calculates that exposure to car exhaust from leaded gas during childhood stole a collective 824 million IQ points from more than 170 million Americans alive today, about half the population of the United States.
Exactly, it’s akin to a dog pushing a button to get a treat, he’ll push it more and more often if it works. Except in this case the button is what gets his fans engaged and the treat is money.
Belangia helpfully adds: “A-gnoia means literally ‘not-knowing’; a-mathia means literally ‘not-learning.’ In addition to the type of amathia that is an inability to learn, there is another form that is an unwillingness to learn. … Robert Musii in an essay called On Stupidity, distinguished between two forms of stupidity, one he called ‘an honorable kind’ due to a lack of natural ability and another, much more sinister kind, that he called ‘intelligent stupidity.'”
Belangia also quotes Glenn Hughes, from an essay entitled “Voegelin’s Use of Musil’s Concept of Intelligent Stupidity in Hitler and the Germans,” providing a further elucidation of the concept of amathia (italics in the original):
“The higher, pretentious form of stupidity stands only too often in crass opposition to [its] honorable form. It is not so much lack of intelligence as failure of intelligence, for the reason that it presumes to accomplishments to which it has no right … The stupidity this addresses is no mental illness, yet it is most lethal; a dangerous disease of the mind that endangers life itself. … [S]ince the ‘higher stupidity’ consists not in an inability to understand but in a refusal to understand, any healing or reversal of it will not occur through rational argumentation, through a greater accumulation of data and knowledge, or through experiencing new and different feelings … We may say that the reversal of a spiritual sickness must entail a spiritual cure.”
Willful ignorance is the greatest sin. I’ve been saying that for a while now, not that I believe in sin.
COVID was a real eye opener for me. Seeing how far people would go to remain ignorant.
Stupid can’t be helped and there is nothing wrong with it. Ignorance is different and not necessarily bad, if you see that you’re ignorant about something, you can choose to educate yourself.
However, willful ignorance is a different thing. I believe that most of society’s ills are rooted in willful ignorance and its exploitation by the evil.
However, willful ignorance is a different thing. I believe that most of society’s ills are rooted in willful ignorance and its exploitation by the evil.
“Wisdom alone, is the good for man, ignorance the only evil” (Euthydemus 281d)
“There is, he said, only one good, that is, knowledge, and only one evil, that is, ignorance” (in Diogenes Laertius, II.31)
Personally I believe in the statement about “a spiritual disease needing a spiritual cure”, but I’m not going for some spiritual mumbojumbo. If we take the spiritual disease to be some sort of block in your empathic abilities, however conscious or unconscious, and then we look at some of the most recent studies on empathogens (MDMA, LSD, psilocybin, etc), it wouldn’t be unreasonable to suggest that the “spiritual cure” might be something as simple as MDMA/psychedelic-assisted therapy.
It’s perfectly legitimate to have the concept of sin, even if you don’t believe in a deity. There’s a moral code, whether defined by religious precepts, societal convention, personal preference,or objective logic, and evil is a sin against that regardless.
He has a “freakishly large neck” (his words) that prevents him from getting enough oxygen when he sleeps. When he was young he spent hours under a house with insecticide spray in the air. I’m sure there are other tidbits in forgetting, but suffice it to say that you’re underselling him by saying he has “a” yet to be defined mental disorder.
While I agree that the surrounding area would be well armed, I believe firearms in the park itself are actually banned for civilians. (Wrong, see below) This is a rare case of a police force stopping an active shooter quickly.
"In areas administered by the National Park Service, an individual can possess a firearm if that individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm and if the possession of the firearm complies with the laws of the state where the park area is located. 54 U.S.C. 104906. "
Absolutely. If they’re killed during their crime they should be completely anonymous. No names, no ‘manifestos’, no reference to the sorts of communities they were part of online, no last words, just, ‘they were a vile stain on humanity’ and then forgotten. Obviously, if they live more will come out as they’re prosecuted, but that should be minimized and once they’re jailed they can be forgotten by all but those tasked with keeping them alive to serve their sentence.
There is a guy, a politician, who said that gay sex releases too much greenhouse gas. Also blew cigar smoke into a plant terrarium calling it ‘necessary CO2 for the plant to live’.
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