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randon31415 , in CNN reports 20-year record low debate viewership

I got the time-zone wrong and missed the first hour. Biden seemed fine to me - what the heck did I miss in the first hour?

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

People only remember the first hour. All the good shit happened in the second half anyways, lol.

sp3tr4l , in State Farm seeking 30% rate hike for California homeowners

Climate change fueled wildfires cause home and rental insurance rates to surge; State Farm solvency in question.

There! Fixed the headline. Journalism is so hard!

555_1 ,

Well, when the media is owned by the same people who own the insurance companies, the headlines tend to be soft.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s going to be true in parts of the country without wildfires too. For the second summer in a row, we had a devastating storm come through with 80mph+ shear winds which destroyed half the trees in the neighborhood. Obviously they fell on houses and cars. The power was out for a good day and a half and then went out for a good 10 hours again yesterday (we were gone for most of that one thankfully). This morning, a water main broke and I doubt it’s coincidence, so we’re under a 24-hour boil order now. We lost two of our own trees and it cost $3200 to get them taken care of. One hit the neighbors’ garage, but apparently their insurance will have to cover that. Insurance doesn’t cover downed trees. How long before they start raising our rates because of these storms causing home damage?

zazilicious , in Oklahoma schools head Ryan Walters: Teachers who won't teach Bible could lose license

I’m so fucking tired of the US. Shit just always seems to get worse, and for every little victory, we take another huge leap towards a fascist theocracy.

MehBlah , in Los Angeles’s Mayor Was Contemplating a Mask Ban. She Just Got Covid.

Can you imagine being so ignorant that you seek to ban masks.

EndOfLine ,
@EndOfLine@lemmy.world avatar

The considered ban on masks was for protesters.

The idea of not allowing anonymity for protesters has its origins in combating racial violence and the KKK. Klan members suddenly lost a lot of their motivation to assemble in public, once they had to show their faces, those that did were less likely to commit illegal acts and the ones that did break the law were more likely to face legal reprocutions.

The contemplated ban on masks for protesters in Los Angeles was considered following increased violence by masked protesters and was not motivated by covid denial.

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

But, if a protester has covid…?

RageAgainstTheRich ,

They haven’t thought that far yet 🤔

TrickDacy ,

This just in: more than a single factor can exist.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

We weren’t living in a world with cameras everywhere when the KKK needed to be attacked so vigorously. Times have changed and things should be updated. Especially in a world where bigots are fine marching without masks (see Charlottesville).

Buffalox ,

This is evidence that reading headlines from articles posted by u/return2ozma actually make you less informed and not more.
48 upvotes for claiming the mask ban was ignorant, when it was for protestors, and had nothing to do with Covid.

Warning dear sir, never assume a fair headline from an article posted by u/return2ozma.

xmunk ,

A mask ban for protesters would also limit our ability to stop a pandemic spreading. Mask bans are a bad idea (especially with creepy af facial recognition around).

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itsgroundhogdayagain , in State Farm seeking 30% rate hike for California homeowners

Literally every insurance company in California is seeking the same or more.

garretble , in 'It's a mess': Biden turns to family on his path forward after his disastrous debate
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

I think the felon should drop out, personally.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

I agree but he won’t

kromem ,

Maybe they both could and the US might have a return to a respectable election options?

Snowflake ,

We don’t need respectable election options. We get on perfectly fine. We send billions and billions in supplies and aid to the other side of the planet either way. Much more than any other country with their ‘respectable elections’ does anyway. Our old dementia riddled leader does more for the complete other side of the planet than anyone did. On the brink of ww3 and here we are according to some with our less than respectable leaders doing the most to prevent it.

callouscomic ,

Please, when were the last respectable election options?

JJROKCZ ,

Roosevelt?

NoIWontPickAName ,

I liked Carter, down to earth and he built homes for humanity until he literally physically couldn’t anymore.

FinalRemix ,

He only served once. He could run again.

TheDemonBuer ,
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

Obama and John McCain, or Obama and Mitt Romney, I think were all considered pretty respectable by most Americans, especially compared to our current options.

NegentropicBoy , in 'It's a mess': Biden turns to family on his path forward after his disastrous debate

Not replacing him is equivalent to heading for a crash and not turning the steering wheel.

SeaJ ,

You just described replacing him at this point. I don’t think he should have been running in the first place but the primaries are already done and he won.

NoIWontPickAName ,

What primaries? They basically just gave them all to him

makyo ,

I’m really torn on this because his debate performance really was shocking to me. But the incumbency is a point in his favor which is lost if he’s replaced. I’m going to stick with him but if something disruptive happens like a legitimate border crisis or the economy suddenly tanks - THAT’S when it would be imperitive that he be replaced. If one or two of his other favorables disappear then the incumbency will start to become a noose.

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

*imperative

ikidd , in 'It's a mess': Biden turns to family on his path forward after his disastrous debate
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Well, lord knows we wouldn’t want anyone except the DNC leadership unilaterally choosing the candidate. When has that ever gone badly?

lemmeout ,

Somebody help! I think I’ve time traveled into year 2016.

Stern ,
@Stern@lemmy.world avatar

Pokemon go to the polls!

OldManBOMBIN , in 'It's a mess': Biden turns to family on his path forward after his disastrous debate
DeepThought42 , in CNN reports 20-year record low debate viewership

Yeah, it doesn’t matter, at least for me. One candidate is old while the other is a 34 times convicted felon. The latter has made it clear he intends to dismantle the democratic institutions of our country and turn it into another fascist regime. At this point the DNC could platform a watermelon in a wig and I’d still vote for them over the convicted felon.

Zachariah , in 'It's a mess': Biden turns to family on his path forward after his disastrous debate
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I’m upvoting (especially) because you included a bit of the article instead of just a link.

It upsetting though because only an Al would be a good replacement: Al Franken or “Weird Al” Yankovic. And that’s unlikely to happen.

Otherwise don’t bother. We’ve already got a “not Trump” candidate who is good enough for now. Get Biden elected, and continue putting pressure on the administration. We’re going to need something like a general strike to make any big changes anyway. We cannot rely on those currently governing to do it for us. Let’s at least prevent a christofascist dictatorship this election.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

We’ve already got a “not Trump” candidate who is good enough for now.

That’s the issue. Is that really good enough to defeat Trump? For democracy being on the line, I think they really need to replace Biden. I think only Obama could convince Joe to step down. He would look Presidential and his legacy would be “fine”. If Biden stays in the race and loses to Trump, Biden’s legacy will be “his ego ended democracy”. The empire is collapsing.

FlowVoid ,
return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

+1? Wrap it up folks! It’s over!

FlowVoid , (edited )

The point is that Biden is no worse off than he was before the debate. Few people wanted him to drop out last week. So I don’t see any reason to change course now.

Democrats need to chill. You didn’t see MAGA idiots calling for Trump to drop out after his felony conviction, and you won’t see that after his sentencing. They know those things don’t matter. The debates matter even less.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

So the plan is just to gaslight voters saying Biden is perfectly fine until the election?

toomanypancakes ,
@toomanypancakes@lemmy.world avatar

Always has been

FlowVoid ,

The plan is to remind voters that this will be a close election and every vote matters.

However, the debate is irrelevant. On the one hand, you have a liar who hates immigrants and wants to benefit wealthy Christians. On the other hand, you have a lousy debater who respects the rule of law and protects women’s rights.

Nobody faced with this choice is going to ask, “Hmm, just how lousy at debating are we talking?”

MindTraveller ,

Well that sure would prevent the fall of democracy for another 4 years

uis ,
Crackhappy ,
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555_1 , in 'It's a mess': Biden turns to family on his path forward after his disastrous debate

He should turn to the American people.

StrawberryPigtails , in CNN reports 20-year record low debate viewership

/rant

I know both candidates and their positions. Don’t particularly like either candidate. Really dislike one of them. And I haven’t seen anyone host an actual, honest to god political debate in my life, and no, the final season of West Wing doesn’t count.

All that being true, why the blazes would I have watched this one? My entire life, debates have only ever been excuses to put the candidates up on a stage see which one looks prettier, and shout sound bites into a microphone. That’s not a debate, that’s a campaign ad. And I’m tired of them.

I would really like our nation to get back to a point where I can feel comfortable voting for the candidate whose policies I actually think are the best instead of having to vote against the candidate that I think will actually destroy the country.

/end-rant

Gerudo , in CNN reports 20-year record low debate viewership

You want to know the problem?

Obviously both candidates suck, but The questions the moderators ask, can just be ignored by the candidates. There hasn’t been a good moderator in years, if ever. No one insists that the questions be answered and they continually ignore them.

Hold the candidates’ feet to the fire. Don’t let them go off tangent. Slap them down and insist on an answer to the question. They don’t want to answer? Cut their mic and move to the other candidate who might actually answer it.

Too many times during the debate were questions like abortion and climate asked, they were just ignored.

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

One of Trump’s debates, Anderson Cooper kept grilling him on something he refused to answer about. At one point he declared that Trump is refusing to answer that question, explicitly. It was probably the best moderation I’ve ever seen.

Then in one of the primaries, one of the moderators called Pete Buttigieg a liar after he said their information was false and corrected them (he in fact was not lying). That was possibly the worst moderation I’ve ever seen.

At least in this one they would say “the question was…” when they didn’t actually answer.

Krono ,

The problem is that the Trump and Biden camps set the rules at this debate.

The moderators were not allowed to live fact check, nor could they cut the candidate’s mic during their allotted time.

This means that the responsibility of countering Trump’s lies fell completely on Biden. There are so many lies, it would be a difficult task for any person.

But Biden signed up for this, and he failed spectacularly. None of Trump’s bullshit was effectively countered.

Botzo ,

the responsibility of countering Trump’s lies fell completely on Biden.

Hitchen’s razor should apply, but this wasn’t really a debate in the first place. Hell, neither of these geezers is prepared to properly debate and their prep teams are just tic tacs and ice cream.

Krono ,

In an ideal world, Hitchen’s Razor would be applied whenever a politician speaks and whenever an advertisement plays.

Unfortunately for us, human psychology makes us all vulnerable.

mightyfoolish ,

A proper debate for Trump and Biden is like setting up a mixer for you and two exes that you despise. What are you going to learn that you don’t already know?

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