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PrincessLeiasCat , in Woman suing Texas over abortion ban vomits on the stand in emotional reaction during dramatic hearing

Ashley Brandt, a Dallas resident, said she was pregnant with twins but learned one had a fatal condition called acrania. The longer she carried it, the more it jeopardized the survival of her other twin.

oh my god…

FattestMattest ,

I don’t think you can be any more “pro life” than putting 2 other healthy people at risk to save the life of a baby that’s going to die.

journey01 ,

Don’t forget many “pro lifers” are in the same demographic as pro death penalty.

Naz ,

We’re actually running out of spots in hell for hardworking Christians at this point. We’re having to quadruple and octople stack souls together and it’s a bit alarming. I’ve been having to repeat a ton of times to the incredulous that feeling like you’re doing the right thing and doing the right thing, [aren’t the same thing].

They seem genuinely shocked and confused, which leaves me feeling leery if they’re actually idiots or evil. Hanlon’s Razor says to always assume ignorance before malice.

You guys gotta do something or all your old people are gonna end up cooking.

HardlightCereal ,

You would not believe how many “leftists” I’ve told to stop using slurs or misgendering me, only to be told “but I didn’t meeeeeean it, so I don’t need to apologise”

afraid_of_zombies ,

They shouldn’t do that but that isn’t relevant or of the same scale. And yes I do make a point to not misgender someone but I am positive that I am going to make mistakes.

My sister-in-law is trans. I call her she. She is an amazing aunt and my kids love her.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Yeah that never made sense. I am prochoice and hate the death penalty. It should only be used when the crime is such that you legit can not put it in the same category as regular murder and a message has to be sent. Like when some dictator commits genocide. That’s it. It has to be so extreme that the regular justice system doesn’t have a clue what to even do about it.

ConfirmingMoose ,

especially if it is a fetus and not a baby

MicroWave OP , in Woman suing Texas over abortion ban vomits on the stand in emotional reaction during dramatic hearing
@MicroWave@lemmy.world avatar

Heartbreaking

One of the plaintiffs in the suit, Samantha Casiano, vomited on the stand while discussing her baby’s fatal birth defect, which she said also put her life at risk.

Casiano said she learned at 20 weeks’ gestation that her baby had anencephaly, a serious condition that meant the infant was missing parts of her brain and skull. Casiano said her obstetrician told her the baby would not survive after birth and gave her information about funeral homes.

Casiano read aloud a doctor’s note that diagnosed her pregnancy as high risk, then began to sob and ultimately threw up, prompting the judge to call a recess.

Oderus ,

3 people downvoted facts? Fuck them.

MostlyBirds , in Woman suing Texas over abortion ban vomits on the stand in emotional reaction during dramatic hearing
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Any doctor who complies with this ban is a worthless piece of shit. Not as bad as the subhumans who wrote it and voted for it, but pretty fucking close.

MasterObee ,

“Physicians who violate Texas’s abortion laws can lose their medical licenses, face up to 99 years in prison or incur fines of at least $100,000, according to the Center for Reproductive Rights”

You wouldn’t have to deal with any decision as hard as this. How can you say a doctor is complicit? They’re likely just doing their best then a law gets put in place threatening life in prison.

Unless you’re put in that position, you have no room to say that shit.

GentlemanLoser ,

Do no harm

Aliendelarge ,

How is that applicable to this particular discussion?

GentlemanLoser ,

It’s the first fucking line of their oath

Take the risk and provide the help or move to a state that allows you to help. Going along with the fascists isn’t the answer.

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

No, it isn’t. Physicians do not take the Hippocratic Oath. That is an anachronism.

Aliendelarge ,

It also wasn’t the first line in any version I can find.

GentlemanLoser ,

Okay cool they don’t take an oath. Carry on 💪

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

Physicians literally murder (in the moral if not legal sense) patients because the state pays them to. The state doesn’t even force them to, it just offers them a bit of money to execute prisoners, and they do it willingly. The entire medical system in the USA is deeply, deeply corrupt. It does not exist to help people, it exists to serve its own capitalist needs. Yes, they still take an oath today; a meaningless one that permits all that and more.

lolcatnip ,

Um, what? Citation needed, badly. All I’ve ever heard about this issue is that things like lethal injections are routinely fucked up because nobody with medical training is willing to participate.

meat_popsicle ,

Your username is incredibly apt.

Aliendelarge ,

First of all, its not the first line. Second of all, that is in regards to avoiding harm through action, not taking action to prevent harm as you suggest it is.

MostlyBirds ,
@MostlyBirds@lemmy.world avatar

If a doctor is willing to stand there with their thumb up their asshole while their patient dies an easily preventable death, they’re a failure as a doctor and as a human being. At best, it’s negligent manslaughter.

If you’re too much of a cowardly little rat to stand up against fascism to save a life, don’t be a fucking doctor; quit and go work at Taco Bell you belong.

I_Has_A_Hat ,

Yea! Why don’t they all just line up to lose their medical licenses? That way they can’t help anyone!

Shortsighted dumbass…

MostlyBirds ,
@MostlyBirds@lemmy.world avatar

Must be nice living in your sheltered little bubble where the deaths are abstract and doing the right thing when lives are at stake is the wrong thing to do.

You’re a morally bankrupt scumbag. People like you are the reason fascists win.

Cabrio ,

Don’t let your ego hit you in the face when you open your eyes dickhead. Go throw yourself on a spear instead of telling other people they should you fucking degenerate keyboard coward.

The people who voted to change the laws to prevent doctors doing their job don’t deserve the benefit of medical care, the rest are collateral damage from the actions of idiots; not the inaction of doctors you braindead troglodyte.

lolcatnip ,

It’s easy to tell someone else to give up their freedom. What are you willing to risk over this issue, O righteous keyboard warrior?

blue_zephyr ,

No actually it’s you standing on the safe sideline screaming from the top of your lungs that doctors should be throwing their lives away and go to prison for life to help a single patient that the state has decided to murder.

If they did that then all the good doctors would be in prison after a week. Not a great plan. And I bet you’d be singing a different tune if it was your life on the line.

Fedizen ,

A doctor that throws away a career of helping people to make a political point once is probably not helping as many people as a doctor that avoids going to jail.

I understand the impulse here but the reality is that texas legislators would probably prefer to reduce the number of doctors available to the poors.

Infinity187 ,

Now your knocking Taco Bell employees??? They are just trying to make a living like everyone else…

Not making a good case for yourself.

CmdrShepard ,

Once all these doctors fall on their swords, who’ll be left to treat the rest of us?

I understand your sentiment, but it’s misdirected.

TWeaK , in [The Conversation] - Blame capitalism? Why hundreds of decades-old yet vital drugs are nearly impossible to find

Don’t blame capitalism, blame the people who abuse an under-developed social system.

Capitalism isn’t the problem. Communism isn’t the problem. People are the problem. The system of government is merely an ineffective solution, but any other solution won’t be a magic pill unless it addresses the people problem.

shotgun_ninja ,

Congratulations, you just described capitalism.

It’s not a government system, it’s an economic one.

TWeaK ,

I did not describe capitalism at all. I misspoke in my second paragraph, it’s a socioeconomic system, since it feeds into how the entire society functions, not just transactions.

irkli ,
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Capitalist mechanisms are what those people in the US use to profiteer. It’s what it’s for, absolute maximum extraction of “value”.

TWeaK ,

They don’t use the mechanisms, they exploit them. Capitalism is at its core about simple value exchange: it takes x man hours to extract a material, y man hours to process them and z man hours to build a product from them. The cost if the good should be (x + y + z) multiplied by a reasonable profit.

Instead, we have businesses paying significantly less than the time cost for the work, while charging significantly more. This abuse and exploitation is the root of the problem that people blame on capitalism - but capitalism isn’t the cause of the problem, the cause is the people who exploit.

Similarly, with communism everything is supposed to be fairly distributed. However abusive people exploit the system by establishing themselves as the ones who decide how things should be distributed, and violently silence anyone who disagrees.

Any alternative system must focus on the people problem in order to be an effective solution, not the perceived problem with current systems.

LoafyLemon , (edited ) in I lost my job to ChatGPT and was made obsolete. I was out of work for 3 months before taking a new job passing out samples at grocery stores.

Meanwhile ChatGPT:

Why did the comedian lose their job to an AI? Because they just couldn't "crack" the code like the AI could! The AI had the audience "programmed" to laugh, while the comedian was left "debugging" their routine. Talk about a real "byte" to the ego!

If you're a comedian, and you lost your job to this, well, maybe it's for the better?

JoumanaKayrouz , (edited )
@JoumanaKayrouz@lemmy.world avatar

AI is hype. It’s a pump and dump just like self-driving cars. I’m sure people will tell me I’m wrong, and maybe I am. But with results like the following, how can it be trusted with menial tasks?

Prompt: Name all the states in the US that have the letter “P” in their name.

ChatGPT: Certainly! The states in the United States that have the letter “P” in their name are:

Alabama

Mississippi

New Hampshire

Pennsylvania

Rhode Island

LoafyLemon ,

You know, this thing does a bunch of stupid stuff, but this one really confuses me, especially because it's supposed to be a language transformer, and it is usually pretty good at English. I thought you were exaggerating your example, but it turns out to be true.

I am an AI, and I am smort!

SheeEttin ,

It’s because it’s a fancy Markov chain machine. It doesn’t have any understanding of the question, it just picks words it’s seen near similar words.

JoumanaKayrouz ,
@JoumanaKayrouz@lemmy.world avatar

Try other letters. It’s a disaster.

rafadavidc ,

“new states or name changes could have occurred”

language models. not intelligence.

meat_popsicle ,

Ala🅿️ama
Rho🅿️e Island

The AI is just giving you the names from 2077 after GenZ wins the memewars.

SpaceNoodle ,

Neither are ready for prime time right now, but both are improving. AI is a hot buzzword, and Tesla is over promising and underdelivering, but at the same time, there are others behind the scenes actually bringing autonomous vehicles to fruition.

ninbreaker , (edited )

Tesla debunked the "self driving is safer than human driving" myth too, autopilot kills at a higher rater than human drivers.

iopq ,

Because new technology never gets better, ever

meat_popsicle ,

Don’t you think technology should only be available for mass consumption if it’s safer than the existing options?

iopq ,

It should be available when it’s similarly safe. We allow 16-year-olds to drive and they are much less safe drivers, maybe even less safe than AI

snooggums ,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Tesla's implementation is dangerous because one egotistical jerk wanted to avoid using tech that everyone else is using just to "prove them wrong" due to him being a giant manchild.

Other companies are doing better than an average driver last I checked, but the public expects them to be perfect.

aubertlone ,

Ok, I’m sorry but this is hilarious.

I also have an over-fondness for dad jokes.

FlashMobOfOne , in Woman suing Texas over abortion ban vomits on the stand in emotional reaction during dramatic hearing
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

The cruelty of it is the point.

ArcticCircleSystem ,

But what’s the point of the cruelty? ~Cherri

FlickOfTheBean ,

Power flex, mostly

(Totally unrelated, but I keep seeing you around and I’m curious about why you sign your name. Is your account shared? Feel free to ignore if you don’t want to answer Im just curious)

ArcticCircleSystem ,

The best explanation I can give is on morethanone.info ~Cherri

FlickOfTheBean ,

Ohh I see! I appreciate you answering when you didn’t have to! See you around! :)

CaptionAdam ,

I also appreciate there awnser. Its nice to see people asking and answering questions respectfully

Arielcorn ,

Thank you. One of my best friends has DID. I appreciate the info lots.

WarmSoda ,

Is this your communication system? That’s clever.

HardlightCereal ,

TL;DR for anyone else in the thread: multiple people share an account and sign who’s typing at the moment. The reason they share an account is that they share a brain.

Synchrome , in 2 Cisgender People Killed In Suspected Anti-Trans Attacks
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  • quicksand ,

    But maybe climate change will take care of it all and we won’t be here to see it…

    Silver linings baby

    WillardHerman ,
    @WillardHerman@lemmy.world avatar

    The world is a nightmare.

    Bipta ,

    That seems untrue; we never wake up.

    aJazzyFeel ,

    I prefer thinking I’m part of the simulation, so I can try finding bugs and cheats without any guilt.

    curiouscuriosity ,

    What if others are real and victims of bugs and cheats?

    WillardHerman ,
    @WillardHerman@lemmy.world avatar

    If we never wake up, then we are still asleep and inside the nightmare.

    cheeseblintzes ,
    @cheeseblintzes@lemmy.world avatar

    I was just saying to my husband the other night, ‘ive known a long time that I’d see the end of the world in my lifetime. I just didnt expect to see it before I turned 40*.’

    *90s kid for reference

    ProximaC ,

    They know. That’s why they’re doing it, to terrorize people back into the shadows.

    That cuntry music asshole is the same. He knows what that song is about and it is 100% on purpose.

    tallwookie , in 2 Cisgender People Killed In Suspected Anti-Trans Attacks
    @tallwookie@lemmy.world avatar

    two unrelated murders, gotcha

    Mr_Blott , (edited )

    I’m so confused by the “woman who was killed for being transexual even though she wasn’t transexual” and how that’s related to a really obviously homophobic killing

    This is fucking gash journalism

    Trimspace ,

    It wasn’t a homophobic killing. The second death was because the man made comments about a trans woman and the man stepped in to defend her. Did you read it? They were both about transphobia.

    BobbyBandwidth ,
    @BobbyBandwidth@lemmy.world avatar

    Your comment is lazy and lacks serious empathy. The lady was murdered with a razor blade to the throat because some fucking guy thought she was transgender. And the other guy was stabbed for standing up for his friend a transgender person.

    FredericChopin_ ,

    Did you even read the article?

    Clearly stated that the weirdo killed her as he thought she was trans and would do it again if he could.

    elbarto777 ,

    Your comment is like saying “The guy paid $50,000 for an old IBM computer even though the computer wasn’t really an IBM - how is that related to people who like IBM computers?”

    givesomefucks ,

    My dog doesn’t understand why the mailman keeps showing up every day.

    Doesn’t mean there’s not a reason the mailman shows up everyday, just that my dog isn’t smart enough to understand it.

    fleabomber ,

    Wait, isn’t the relationship anti-trans sentiment? I only read the title.

    tallwookie ,
    @tallwookie@lemmy.world avatar

    i skimmed through the article, seemed like really poor journalism (worse than usual for huffpost).

    the “relationship” - a stretch at best - is like claiming that shootings in Chicago and Baltimore are related because the perpetrators were both black - that happens all the time but no one ever tries to link the two, as they’re clearly two separate crimes that are basically unrelated. same thing here. just trash tier journalism

    elbarto777 ,

    “In talks with investigators, Earl referred to the victim as “a male acting like a woman,” the affidavit said.”

    and

    “Rahnique U. Jackson, 24, is accused of killing Smith after the 32-year-old defended a transgender friend in the group, according to Smith’s sister.”

    There’s your connection. Two people are dead due to hatred for trans people.

    Are they unrelated in the sense that nothing else connects them victims and the perpetrators? Sure. But that’s just being pedantic.

    FunderPants ,

    Article: Here is the way these murders are related.

    That guy: but what about all the ways they aren’t related?

    stopthatgirl7 OP ,
    @stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

    No, it’s more like if two separate murders of Sikhs happened because people thought they were Muslim, and it showed rising Islamophobia. You know, that thing that actually happened in the US after 911, where Sikhs got murdered because ignorant people thought they were Muslim. This is two cis people murdered because the murders hated trans people.

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  • girlfreddy ,
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    Is this just your simpleminded way of changing the subject or do you actually have a cogent idea to share?

    elbarto777 ,

    That guy is a troll. They’ve arrived to the fediverse. It was a matter of time.

    girlfreddy ,
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    @elbarto777

    Yup. That's the part of the Twitter fail that sucks the most ...

    sigh

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  • Fatbuddha ,

    You read an article about two people in separate incidents being killed over transphobic hatred and you don't see a connection?

    Ensign_Crab ,

    You’re just trying to downplay the hate crimes of people you agree with.

    tallwookie ,
    @tallwookie@lemmy.world avatar

    not at all, but if you’d like to think that then go right ahead. positive thinking is right up there next to prayer in usefulness!

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @tallwookie @stopthatgirl7 There's proof in the article they are related.

    Where's your proof they aren't?

    tallwookie ,
    @tallwookie@lemmy.world avatar

    the rag it’s published in, for one - huffpo only barely qualifies as journalism and often creates stories from whole cloth. did the murders happen? yes. is it awful and sad? yes again. are they related? not a chance

    xenomor , in Delta passengers fall ill while stuck on tarmac for hours during blistering Las Vegas heatwave

    Everything about the airline industry is unrelentingly awful and hostile to consumers. These companies perfectly represent the disregard this economy has toward individual people. That they continue in this fashion, year after year, shows how completely the regulatory state has failed.

    FartsWithAnAccent ,
    @FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t even understand why people fly so often, it’s awful even when everything goes right. Flying used to be cool and fun.

    MostlyBirds ,
    @MostlyBirds@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, spending hours in a sealed cylinder full of cigarette smoke and dudes sexually assaulting the staff was very cool and fun.

    FartsWithAnAccent ,
    @FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

    No, not that far back, I was thinking more like the 90s.

    70ms ,

    I’m old enough to have smoked on a plane. :|

    (Was probably around 1986?)

    sethboy66 ,

    The air inside an airplane is actually arguably more harmful today than it was in the immediate aftermath of the short-haul smoking ban. Due to smoking on planes they actually had proper air filtration while in the modern day there are no federal regulations on air filtration for planes and what air carriers elect to employ is very minimal.

    Throughout a flight carbon oxides, aldehydes, and other harmful particulates are known to build up in the air up to levels known to pose immediate harm to those subjected to it.

    Sarcastik ,

    We know this is bullshit because the FAA was all over the filtration standards in planes even before covid hit.

    So I’m going to say; source it or delete it.

    0110010001100010 ,
    @0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

    I absolutely HATE flying and avoid it as much as possible. However, if I’m going to a conference on the other side of the country I can’t dedicate 6 days to travel. I’m 33 hours from LA for instance, that would equate to 3 days each way of 11 hours in the car each day. Realistically, it would be more like 8 total days of travel with 4 each way.

    outdated_belated , (edited )

    This. Also, going by car is significantly more expensive monetarily, when gas and hotel are accounted for.

    FoxBJK ,
    @FoxBJK@midwest.social avatar

    Don’t forget tolls!

    Driving is rarely the better way to go. It’d be even less so if we had a more comprehensive passenger train system.

    outdated_belated ,

    Probably, driving is also more dangerous, although I can’t be bothered to look up the stats.

    Yeah passenger rails that didn’t suck would be the best option here.

    TheHorseWhistler ,

    I fly about once a quarter and I still absolutely love even a mediocre experience. I’d say 95% of my flights are without any issues. It’s been YEARS since a bad experience. I feel it’s completely worth it to explore, visit friends, etc.

    Sarcastik ,

    Work. My job requires lots of in person meetings/work that can’t be replaced via zoom, etc.

    It’s the worst part about my job, but travel started sucking WAY before COVID.

    FartsWithAnAccent ,
    @FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

    Air travel started to suck after 9/11. IMO

    elbarto777 ,

    Flying became awful for the same reason Reddit became awful.

    FartsWithAnAccent ,
    @FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

    The TSA?

    Oh, corporate greed.

    elbarto777 ,

    Amd more access to the common folk.

    Not knocking down the common folk, but as soon as they show up, your cozy coffee place becomes a noisy place.

    FartsWithAnAccent ,
    @FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not even talking that far back, more like 25 years ago.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Overwhelmingly for me it has been work related. I think excluding a funeral and work I have flown only two round trips the past decade. I am at the airport about 6 or so times a year.

    Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

    For work: It is literally my job to interact with peers at meetings and conferences. Hard to get there if I have a week of travel for every conference.

    For pleasure: Because the destination is worth it. And the hassle isn’t even that bad. Even without a tsa pre-check equivalent, security is mostly fine if you know what you are doing and prepare accordingly. Liquids baggy near the top of your bag. Have a jacket you can shove your phone and watch into. And so forth. Bring a book or some headphones to keep yourself entertained on the flight. Realize that you can slide your feet under your bag to greatly increase your effective legroom. And don’t hesitate to walk to the restroom, even if just to stretch a bit.

    And then I get to land somewhere interesting. Whether it is visiting friends a few states over or spending a week or three in a foreign country.

    InternetCitizen2 ,

    Maybe they are trying to pivot and get jobs at Microsoft, Apple or John Deere.

    HurlingDurling ,

    Maybe the United States shouldn’t have removed several regulations from the airline industry and letting them govern themselves

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    I have flown on airlines based and operating entirely in the 3rd world that were consistently better than Delta domestic in terms of how you were treated.

    TwoGems , in 16 false Trump electors face felony charges in Michigan
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    <pre style="background-color:#ffffff;">
    <span style="color:#323232;">Kathy Berden, 70, of Snover 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">William (Hank) Choate, 72, of Cement City 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Amy Facchinello, 55, of Grand Blanc 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Clifford Frost, 75, of Warren 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Stanley Grot, 71, of Shelby Township 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">John Haggard, 82, of Charlevoix 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Mary-Ann Henry, 65, of Brighton 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Timothy King, 56, of Ypsilanti 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Michele Lundgren, 73, of Detroit 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Meshawn Maddock, 55, of Milford
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">James Renner, 76, of Lansing 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Mayra Rodriguez, 64, of Grosse Pointe Farms 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Rose Rook, 81, of Paw Paw 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Marian Sheridan, 69, of West Bloomfield 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Ken Thompson, 68, of Orleans 
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Kent Vanderwood, 69, of Wyoming 
    </span>
    

    lol it’s all boomers and cusp Gen X/boomer

    catsarebadpeople ,

    OLDS! THEY’RE OLD

    Harpuajim ,

    Prime age to get their information from Facebook.

    gAlienLifeform OP ,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    Probably not a great age to be starting a fourteen year prison sentence at, but they should have thought about that before trying to overthrow our democracy I guess

    Nollij ,

    Is there a great age to do that? Seems to me that the older you are, the less of your real life is lost.

    TwoGems ,
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    Cosmonauticus ,

    To be fair the first two generations in this meme were raging alcoholics who beat the shit out of their kids and wives. Oh and the whole racists as fuck part.

    Hextic ,

    This same generation kept repeating shit like “don’t believe everything you read on the internet” back in the dial up days. Good advice I took to heart.

    Now my own mother believes AOC wants to ban cows because they fart a lot.

    WarmSoda ,

    Not even the Internet. They told everyone not to believe everything they see on TV. Drilled it into our heads for years.

    Now they’re plastered to the easychair, glued to fox bobblehead shows 24/7 getting angry over nonsense.

    But the Simpsons and rock music were the devil…

    JustZ ,
    @JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

    Went from “stay in school” to “schools are wokist brainwashing centers run by child abusers and socialists and it’s child abuse to send them there.”

    Fucking morons.

    Boddhisatva ,

    Sadly, they'll all be found guilty but too old and white to actually go to prison for their crimes.

    Tedesche ,

    Beat me to it. This is exactly what I think will happen.

    pozbo ,
    @pozbo@lemmy.world avatar

    In cases such as this it would be amazing to bar them from having funerals.

    “You’re too old to sit in a cell, so we’re just not going to ever lay you to rest”

    Maybe it would help these criminals think about ramifications before committing their heinous offenses.

    Stovetop ,

    That’s actually an interesting idea. For high crimes committed by the elderly, sentence them to be de-memorialized. Their remains are interred only in a space-efficient public cemetery. They get no headstone, just a small post in the ground with a number on it to mark where they were buried, surrounded by hundreds of other posts.

    Every year, the family of the deceased must pay a fee to maintain the site, or else the remains will be disinterred and disposed of so the plot can be recycled.

    For the elderly criminal, they die knowing that they will either be forgotten by relatives who don’t care about them, or burdening their relatives who do care about them with annual fees.

    mycroft ,

    That’s basically a prison graveyard, they’re on prison property and no one can visit…

    Stovetop , (edited )

    I’m assuming people can still visit in this scenario. They just get a number on the headstone instead of the name. The family can be told that is grandpa and they can visit, and if they care enough to visit and keep the plot, that might encourage them to pay for what essentially amounts to financial compensation for grandpa’s crimes.

    mycroft ,

    In cases such as this it would be amazing to bar them from having funerals.

    “You’re too old to sit in a cell, so we’re just not going to ever lay you to rest”

    Maybe it would help these criminals think about ramifications before committing their heinous offenses.

    Oh come now, we have much worse punishments: they’re now under conservatorship, by Britney Spears dad and are on their way to the cheapest old folks home in their state. They’re “technology safe” so they can’t access the internet for their own personal safety…

    Ya know, old folks prison, where poor people go after their family forgets about them and they die of neglect.

    teegus ,

    Rose Rook, 81, of Paw Paw

    Please tell me that is a real place

    SoSquidTaste ,
    gAlienLifeform OP ,
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    JustZ ,
    @JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

    Damn someone was just telling me I should plant paw paw trees the other day. Good fruit I guess?

    mosiacmango ,

    Supposed to be a flavor akin to a mix of banana and mango, so maybe the best fruit possible.

    DickFiasco ,

    Have you ever noticed, when you hear a word for the first time, you will hear that word again within twenty-four hours?

    drhugsymcfur ,

    If you catch them ripe then they are a seedy soft banana with a different flavor. It’s so soft that the best way to eat it is with a spoon using the peel as a bowl.

    But they have a very short window of ripeness, there’s a reason that they’re not commercially grown and it’s generally because of the short ripeness window and they’re easy to bruise during transport.

    If you’ve got the space and the time go for it, it’s a fun little conversation starter to give family, neighbors, & coworkers something that they may not know grows right in their back woodlot.

    PutangInaMo ,

    Wow TIL. It sounds amazing, can’t believe I never thought to look for north American native fruits like this. Thanks for the info.

    fubo ,

    A pawpaw is a real fruit, related to the cherimoya.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asimina

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Michigan has a Hell, so there’s no reason it can’t have a Paw Paw.

    Drunemeton ,
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    I’ve been there. When it SNOWED!

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Did it freeze over?

    Drunemeton ,
    @Drunemeton@lemmy.world avatar

    It got a little moist, but we left before nightfall. (My mom, under no circumstances, was spending the night in Hell!)

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Here’s the most important question: Did they have a human-sized handbasket?

    nuachtan ,

    No, but they do have a country bar.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    well, not with kids in tow, certainly.

    corsicanguppy ,

    kids in tow

    You see, she was already in hell ! :-D

    TwoGems ,
    @TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

    “Mooom! Paw paw from Paw paw’s trying to destroy our democracy again!”

    Oderus ,

    Can’t wait to see it all play out. You just know these people won’t accept responsibility and will blame others for their actions. I swear if they were 16-17 I wouldn’t be surprised but GOD DAMN, they’re all over 55 with 2 being over 80.

    AssPennies ,

    “We were just told to show up and sign this paper. If we had any information about it being untoward or illegal, we would not have done it”

    That’s Ms. Michele Lundgren making excuses already. Like, you thought it was totally legal to pretend to be electors to subvert an election? Come on.

    Oderus ,

    We were just following orders … wait, where have I heard that before?

    waigl ,

    There are two people in there over 80, but the oldest baby boomers are “only” 77…

    FlashMobOfOne ,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    No living wage, no money for education, no money for health care, working three jobs to survive, and the world temperature and scarcity of housing are accelerating…

    …but sure, let’s celebrate. This totally matters.

    Nollij ,

    These are some of the people who fought to create those problems, including fighting against democracy itself to ensure it.

    It’s not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.

    FlashMobOfOne ,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.

    No, it isn’t.

    It’s nothing. This will change nothing, as evidenced by the fact that even when Trump is performatively “arrested” there’s never handcuffs of a mugshot.

    Djtecha ,

    OK… So they shouldn’t get arrested? Fuck it lets go full nihilism here. Nothing matters my man, so why bother even posting here?

    FlashMobOfOne ,
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    Of course they should.

    I’m just years past pretending this is consequential, given that no one will go after any of the big fish in the pond. Can’t pretend we’re winning when we’re a year removed from reelecting a twice-impeached fascist.

    Djtecha ,

    There are about to be 3 independent indictments against trump. So they are going after the big fish here. No I understand your cynicism there until we actually see him get jail time and shows up for booking.

    Cubes , (edited )

    the fact that even when Trump is performatively “arrested” there’s never handcuffs of a mugshot.

    What do you think the point of handcuffs and a mugshot are? He wasn’t at risk of being violent or arrested for a violent crime. Mugshots are for record keeping and identity purposes, but there is no need for that when the suspect is one of the most photographed people on the entire planet. Handcuffs and mugshots are not some weird way to humiliate people.

    TwoGems ,
    @TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

    what?

    danc4498 ,

    All cocksuckers on Medicare and social security and probably bitching about socialism.

    Mdotaut801 ,

    And lick the boots of the military…which is socialized.

    dhorse ,

    I am pretty disappointed in the Gen X generation. I really thought we were going to be a lot more open minded and accepting of people than we have turned out to be.

    stringere ,

    Think of all the people you’ve known who were open minded and accepting and how small the number of them seemed compared to the majority when we were growing up. Know that a lot of those people probably went on to inspire those qualities in others and raise their kids to value those things. I’ve seen mainstream society come a long way from my childhood in the 80s and teens in the 90s.

    I agree, I had a lot more hope for Gen X but we were up against the juggernaut of the boomer voting bloc. As those selfish fucks age out we’re finally looking at the possibility of righting the ship.

    dhorse ,

    I agree that we have come a LONG way. I was in the first generation of ravers. I am aghast at some of my fellow old ravers and how they scorn the LGBQT community considering they were that their bars were often the only place we were offered safety and respect. The motto these guys wore on their sleeves was PLUR - Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect, but now they are SLUR.

    A surprising number of ravers compared to my other social circles have gone full conspiracy, MAGA cult, qANON. IMO it attracted a good number of contrarians, counter culture, anti government types in the first place and they were bound to get roped into something like this. I thought hare krishna type things, but boy was I wrong!

    stringere ,

    That’s sad to hear. I was in the same scene. Fortunately the raver friends that I still keep in touch with didn’t go down that road.

    theneverfox ,
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    I realized that the other day. My brother is gen z, and when I felt him out on lgbt issues (he’s been raised in a very conservative bubble), he just doesn’t care.

    Then I realized - millennials were raised by gen x. I got a lot of ideas shoved in my head growing that took some time to unravel after I started to examine if my beliefs matched my morals… I just assumed he’d be in a similar position. But he’s been taught by millennials and seen it in the media, he never learned those hang ups I had to get past

    This weekend it hit me - Gen x is driving force behind all of this body autonomy bullshit

    Stovetop ,

    A lot of millennials were still raised by boomers. If you’re an early to mid millennial, you’re probably more likely to have been raised by boomers than gen X-ers, since the oldest gen X-ers would have only been like 15 years old at the start of the millennial generation.

    In 1988 (the midpoint year for millennials), the average age of someone having their first child was 27, so most kids born that year were born to late boomers. Only towards the 90’s, the last third of millennials, would you start seeing more Gen X parents than boomers.

    And if you were a second or third child in the millennial generation, your parents were more likely to be boomers than not, too.

    el_cordoba ,

    I blame dementia. I have a parent that’s still a Trump supporter. It’s as if they’ve lost the ability to use reason. I am pretty sure Trump could shoot them in the face and they’d still vote for/support him.

    Arsenal4ever ,

    He said in 2015 that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and people would still love him. One thing I will say is that Trump realized he could easily grift people like your parent. I am sorry, BTW. It sucks.

    sunbytes ,

    There’s theories about the lead from leaded petrol doing a lot of brain damage before it was taken out.

    JulesTheModest ,

    Without looking, something like ppl born before 1980 or so. I really hope so, the following Gen (mine) isn’t as hot as I’d like but hoping for the best.

    TwoGems ,
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    There are some younger people just as far gone as them but there aren’t usually as many at Trump events

    Mdotaut801 ,

    Fuck boomers. Not literally, don’t fuck them….but FUCK THEM.

    FlyingSquid , in A 16-year-old has died at a Mississippi poultry processing plant, county coroner says
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I guarantee you the child was a migrant worker. This has always been about exploiting migrant children.

    npr.org/…/hundreds-of-migrant-children-work-long-…

    havokdj ,

    Kinda doxxing myself a bit but we actually don’t have that many migrants in MS. Most of the ones I have seen as well tend to work family businesses and they migrated way before the new wave of immigration.

    GentlemanLoser ,

    Do you live near this plant?

    havokdj , (edited )

    About 45 minutes out, I actually go to Hattiesburg pretty often too.

    Shialac ,

    2% of MS population is people in first generation in the US, mostly people from Central America

    SCB ,

    First generation doesn’t mean migrant. Migrants cross the border to work but live in their home nation.

    PapaStevesy ,

    Migrants are people who migrate.

    SCB , (edited )

    “Migrant worker” has a specific meaning.

    This is not a hot take by me. This is just you not knowing what words mean

    PapaStevesy ,

    You didn’t say “migrant worker,” you said “migrant.” All words have specific meaning, that’s not a hot take either.

    SCB ,

    If only you had the context of an entire comment chain to pull from

    stringere ,

    but it’s all the way up there ^

    PapaStevesy ,

    The chain starts off talking about children. A lot of children commuting internationally to MS these days? Are we granting work visas to children all of a sudden? Clearly no one in this thread is working from the same definitions, but that’s actually how language works. Specificity is key if you don’t want to be misunderstood.

    lemmyporn ,

    Confidently taking about a completely different topic 🤦‍♂️

    DLSchichtl ,

    See, my perpetual guess is foster kids.

    style99 , in The Wildly Unconstitutional New Laws Trying to Criminalize Filming Cops
    @style99@kbin.social avatar

    Bad cops cower in the darkness, lurking like the thieves they are.

    be_excellent_to_each_other , in The Wildly Unconstitutional New Laws Trying to Criminalize Filming Cops
    @be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social avatar

    25 feet? What's even the point? Do they not know how lenses work?

    I'm very doubtful there's going to be something worth filming that I could catch from, say, 8 feet and not from 25 feet.

    I get the implication (and agree with it) that what they want is to not have video evidence of their behavior, but laws like this don't do anything but make them look worse IMO. It's not just ineffective, it also damages public perception even further.

    hark ,
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    I assume they put in a distance to claim that they’re not violating the constitution but that they “just don’t want anyone to get in the way of very important police work”. Of course, all they have to do is walk up to you to put you in violation of this law.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    The 25 ft rule might be a way to “create a space” so that cops can “work”

    “It’s about safety” is an argument morons like to obey.

    tDSpPd2C9MrT8n , in Florida family awarded $800K after McDonald's Chicken McNugget burned 4-year-old girl

    How are damages in cases like this even calculated? They sued for $15,000,000 and were awarded $800,000. Is it just how big the medical bill is without insurance?

    SomeoneElse , (edited )

    I’m not a lawyer but I believe it’s usually split into two parts; the first to cover the expenses the person has already incurred - time missed from work, medical fees, taxis etc etc and predicted expenses in the future - plastic surgery to remove the scar for example, counselling or recompense for “emotional suffering”. The second part is the actual fine imposed on the company/whoever for their negligence. It’s kinda like reimbursement + penalty I believe.

    ETA you always ask for way way more than you expect to receive. It’s a bit like haggling but the jury decide the final price.

    UniquesNotUseful ,

    They can also add punitive damages. Didn’t seem to be in this case BUT a meal marketed at children shouldn’t cause scars.

    With the coffee case had lots of damages for this. MacDonalds had been warned that they were serving coffee at dangerous temperatures, had 700 complaints but it was cheaper to pay compensation than fix.

    They served the coffee at much higher temperatures than other establishments, so normally you’d have 12 seconds to wipe coffee off your skin but with MacDonalds it was 3 seconds, causing 3rd degree burns.

    They lied saying it was done as people wanted to drink after driving for a long time but their surveys showed the opposite.

    SomeoneElse ,

    The coffee case and how they destroyed that woman’s reputation was absolutely awful. Even now people think it was a “frivolous lawsuit”. That coffee was so hot it fused the lady’s labia together. There is nothing frivolous about that, it’s horrific to contemplate - especially when McDonald’s were warned about the problem, as you said.

    JustAManOnAToilet OP ,

    It was hot coffee. It was boiling hot coffee. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand you shouldn’t play around with it and spill it on you. They made it hot so you could get it at the drive through and still have hot coffee when you got home to eat.

    altima_neo , in Trump stole Israeli artifacts from White House
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    lol of course he fucking would. The dudes all about getting that clout with his buddies he invites over.

    DogMuffins ,

    IKR. It’s incorrigible, but it’s 100% on-brand. Ask anyone, “do you think Trump would steal ancient israeli artifacts from the whitehouse?”. Absolutely yes, that is exactly what Trump would do given the opportunity.

    That said, I don’t feel very sorry for the Israeli’s, they were just trying to suck up, Trump reciprocated with some incendiary statements in support of Israel IIRC, so it just sucks to be them really.

    Vorticity ,

    The lamps were lent to the white house in 2019, before Trump took office.

    EpsilonVonVehron , (edited )
    @EpsilonVonVehron@kbin.social avatar

    ” The lamps were lent to the white house in 2019, before Trump took office.

    What? He took office in January 2017.

    ISRAEL LENT SEVERAL antiquities to the White House in 2019, including ancient clay lamps for a White House Hanukkah event. Unfortunately, Donald Trump was president at the time, which means the artifacts are now at Mar-a-Lago, and Israel can’t figure out how to get them back, Haaretz reported on Tuesday.

    InverseParallax ,

    Don’t, just don’t engage, you’ll end up arguing why trump couldn’t have written the constitution while single handedly defeating the nazis who weren’t actually that bad, just misunderstood.

    Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

    Just change anti-semite in this case to whatever the fuck redhats are now.

    Vorticity , (edited )

    Wow, I made a dumb, tired mistake regarding the year that Trump took office and now I’m an anti-semite? I don’t see how you can even make that leap, even though the subject had to do with Iseael. I wasn’t defending him, in fact, my mistaken comment was intended to point out that his actions were even worse.

    I’m not a Trumper and am certainly not an anti-semite. Don’t throw around accusations like that so casually. It’s dangerous for many reasons.

    InverseParallax ,

    That is a quote by sartre about the use of nonsense in arguments, hence my footnote.

    If you made an honest mistake, I apologize, but please tell me honestly you haven’t seen people make similar false arguments on purpose.

    Vorticity ,

    All I’m trying to say is that you should be more careful with throwing out accusations of racism. I have seen people make nonsense arguments in bad faith, yes, but I generally try to refute their point rather than label them as racist without some kind of evidence. I prefer to assume that people are mistaken rather than malicious bigots until proven otherwise.

    I appreciate that anti-semitism is a legitimate problem, but calling people anti-semites over so little dilutes your arguments for when you actually do encounter one. It’s similar to conservatives calling anyone they disagree with “woke”. Overuse of the term makes it less impactful when you actually encounter someone who deserves to be labeled an anti-semite. It also “proves” to conservatives that the “left” just throws around names and labels without justification and makes it more difficult to have a reasonable discussion.

    Just be more careful with tossing out loaded terms until you have something more definitive than a single mistaken sentence. It only feeds the division and does nothing to solve the current problems.

    Vorticity ,

    Shit, yeah, I must have been tired and have heard too much about 2020 lately. I’m dumb…

    Viking_Hippie ,

    2019, before Trump took office

    Trump took office* in January of 2017…

    *more like stole office, which is very on-brand for him

    Vorticity ,

    Ugh, I guess I was a little tired and have heard too much about 2020 lately…

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Perfectly understandable lol

    randon31415 ,

    No, Trump ‘took office’ in 2020. He took it all to Mar-a-Lago.

    DogMuffins ,

    Oh, when did trump take office ?

    Vorticity ,

    Shit… I guess I was a little tired. Too much heating about 2020…

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