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Usernameblankface ,
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So, was it their job to be electors and they falsified something, or was it not even their job and they lied about that plus falsified something?

stewie410 ,

Based on the article’s admittedly poorly-wordered description, it sounds like the former. I think they were the would-be electors had Trump won the state – when called to the state’s GOP HQ, they signed a document claiming to have met in the state capitol, though they had not. When that certificate was submitted, that’s when the alleged fraud took place.

Note: IANAL, just trying to decipher the article

reverendsteveii ,

When states count the vote in a federal election they send a group of people called electors to the national congress. Those electors then cast that state’s electoral votes according to state law (usually winner-take-all but a couple states split proportionally). These people falsely claimed to be the electors from Michigan, selected according to Michigan law, and they intended to infiltrate the meeting of the electoral college and fraudulently cast Michigan’s electoral votes for Trump, who lost the state of Michigan in a free and fair election and was, by Michigan law, entitled to zero electoral votes. In doing so they also intended to deny Joe Biden the electoral votes of Michigan, which he had rightfully earned by winning a free and fair election.

Usernameblankface ,
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, now I understand what was going on with them. Thank you for writing this all out for me.

Infinity187 ,

Throw the fucking book at these old decrepit humans. Let them rot.

gameboyhomeboy ,

Imagine being dumb enough to commit a felony for a billionaire who hates you.

reverendsteveii ,

“I’m going to jail for an NFT salesman.” —Unite the Right organizer and generally hideous fucker Baked Alaska

afraid_of_zombies ,

Man I want a big greasy cheeseburger so bad. Dieting is not an enjoyable experience.

JustZ , (edited )
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Elder abuse to go and trick these poor old ladies and gentlemen. It doesn’t matter they were the ones stupid enough to fall for it, that’s why we have elder abuse laws.

E. I see now that my joke was clunky and misunderstood. What I mean to say is it that these people don’t get excused for being gullible pawns because what they did was criminal, and the people who organized this shit are much more culpable and should receive the more severe punishment. Luckily, these people are the same dumb assholes that made it law in Michigan to charge inmates $48,000 per year to be in prison, real real. So hopefully on the flip side of their sentences they are broke, in addition to being ex cons.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

Is your stance that 55 year olds are not in a mental capacity to be eligible to vote? That’s much lower than I would have said.

Squorlple ,
@Squorlple@lemmy.world avatar

Since I expect I’ll have to suffer several members of the conservative hive-mind moaning about this tomorrow, I did some quick research beforehand:

Here is a list of those who are charged.

This video shows the Republicans trying to enter the MI Capitol.

At ~35 seconds in, several people claim to be the state’s electors.

In no particular order, I think I have identified the following:

The woman between the orange beanie and red mitts at 60 seconds looks to me like MI GOP Chair Meshawn Maddock, who is among the charged.

The woman in the bottom left corner of the screen at 3 minutes and 19 seconds in looks to me like Michele Lundgren, a GOP former nominee for a House seat in Detroit which she lost in a major landslide, who is among the charged.

The woman near the bottom right of the screen at 3 minutes and 7 seconds in looks to me like MI GOP Vice chairperson Marian Sheridan, who is among the charged.

Papa Smurf on the left at 1 minute and 1 second looks to me like GOP member Ken Thompson, who is among the charged.

The woman in the bottom left at 1 second in looks to me like GOP member Rose Rook, who is among the charged.

My source for the individuals’ roles within the MI GOP

The actual state electors are listed here

SeaJ ,

At what point should we declare the MI Republican party to be insurrectionists and disband that organization? It’s not like it was some low ranking officials.

WarmSoda ,

After we talk about bOtH SiDEs for awhile and then completely forget about it.

lolcatnip ,

Which “we” are you talking about? I’ve already declared the whole Republican party a terrorist organization, but my declarations don’t carry much weight.

Godric ,

If it makes you feel better, the Michigan republican party is effectively dead. They lost every branch of government, their funding is pretty much dried up, they had abandon their longstanding headquarters and are now based out of a PO box.

Their former leadership is gone, and now they’re run by an actual crazy person with a degree in Christian apologetics who insists the majority of voters are murderers for codifying the right to an abortion via ballot. They were an anti-vaxxer before covid, they think abortion is a “satanic ritual” and that yoga is a “demonic ceremony”.

Just a week or two ago they made the news when two members got into a fistfight during a meeting, they’re a circus.

treefrog ,

Not the person you replied to but this did make me feel better.

Go Michigan!

lingh0e ,

To be fair, The Satanic Temple does claim abortion to be a religious right and has an actual ritual members can perform before they undergo the procedure.

paraphrand ,

Wisconsin next please.

MsPenguinette ,

Another of the 16 electors, Michele Lundgren, said she was distraught over the charges and she questioned what evidence prosecutors had.

The 73-year-old Detroiter said she had simply received a call on Dec. 13, 2020, to be in Lansing the following day. While there, Lundgren signed what she thought was a sign-in sheet, she said.

“We signed a blank piece of paper," Lundgren said. “And that’s all can tell you.”

This is going to be a super entertaining trial

keeb420 ,

does she do whatever the phone says? If I were to call her and ask for $10,000 she'd pay me?

Wilziac ,

Well she is the prime demographic for phone scams… so yeah, probably.

CurlyMoustache ,
@CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world avatar

We signed a blank piece of paper!

Mental capacity of a bucket of used syringes

gravitas_deficiency ,

This is good and proper.

These people are not “political prisoners”. They were part of an attempted coup, and should absolutely be prosecuted to the maximum extent that the law prescribes.

AlaskaMan ,

Good. They’re all traitors who violated our Constitution and attempted to subvert democracy for their cult leader. Throw the book at every single one of them.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

ayyyyy^lmao^

UFO64 ,

Some great FAFO going on.

TransplantedSconie ,

Lmao. 16 assholes about to get a big government dicking. Those forgery charges are 14 years a pop lol.

MegaUltraChicken ,

The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed.

lasagna ,
@lasagna@programming.dev avatar

I need to find a way to make this a common saying in my life.

rabirabirara ,

This comment is straight out of Megamind (adult edition) and I love it.

ArbiterXero ,

……Is that a real thing?

rabirabirara ,

Not in the slightest.

ArbiterXero ,

That’s kinda a shame, because now I can only read it in mega mind’s voice…

Godric ,

I read that in Ben Cafferty’s voice from Veep

Hextic ,

I wish. All get slaps on the wrist. Calling it now.

TwoGems ,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar 
<pre style="background-color:#ffffff;">
<span style="color:#323232;">Kathy Berden, 70, of Snover 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">William (Hank) Choate, 72, of Cement City 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Amy Facchinello, 55, of Grand Blanc 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Clifford Frost, 75, of Warren 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Stanley Grot, 71, of Shelby Township 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">John Haggard, 82, of Charlevoix 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Mary-Ann Henry, 65, of Brighton 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Timothy King, 56, of Ypsilanti 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Michele Lundgren, 73, of Detroit 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Meshawn Maddock, 55, of Milford
</span><span style="color:#323232;">James Renner, 76, of Lansing 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Mayra Rodriguez, 64, of Grosse Pointe Farms 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Rose Rook, 81, of Paw Paw 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Marian Sheridan, 69, of West Bloomfield 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Ken Thompson, 68, of Orleans 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Kent Vanderwood, 69, of Wyoming 
</span>

lol it’s all boomers and cusp Gen X/boomer

catsarebadpeople ,

OLDS! THEY’RE OLD

Harpuajim ,

Prime age to get their information from Facebook.

gAlienLifeform OP ,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

Probably not a great age to be starting a fourteen year prison sentence at, but they should have thought about that before trying to overthrow our democracy I guess

Nollij ,

Is there a great age to do that? Seems to me that the older you are, the less of your real life is lost.

TwoGems ,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fef8c877-c2fc-4b15-b6b9-46913e28e527.jpeg

Cosmonauticus ,

To be fair the first two generations in this meme were raging alcoholics who beat the shit out of their kids and wives. Oh and the whole racists as fuck part.

Hextic ,

This same generation kept repeating shit like “don’t believe everything you read on the internet” back in the dial up days. Good advice I took to heart.

Now my own mother believes AOC wants to ban cows because they fart a lot.

WarmSoda ,

Not even the Internet. They told everyone not to believe everything they see on TV. Drilled it into our heads for years.

Now they’re plastered to the easychair, glued to fox bobblehead shows 24/7 getting angry over nonsense.

But the Simpsons and rock music were the devil…

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Went from “stay in school” to “schools are wokist brainwashing centers run by child abusers and socialists and it’s child abuse to send them there.”

Fucking morons.

Boddhisatva ,

Sadly, they'll all be found guilty but too old and white to actually go to prison for their crimes.

Tedesche ,

Beat me to it. This is exactly what I think will happen.

pozbo ,
@pozbo@lemmy.world avatar

In cases such as this it would be amazing to bar them from having funerals.

“You’re too old to sit in a cell, so we’re just not going to ever lay you to rest”

Maybe it would help these criminals think about ramifications before committing their heinous offenses.

Stovetop ,

That’s actually an interesting idea. For high crimes committed by the elderly, sentence them to be de-memorialized. Their remains are interred only in a space-efficient public cemetery. They get no headstone, just a small post in the ground with a number on it to mark where they were buried, surrounded by hundreds of other posts.

Every year, the family of the deceased must pay a fee to maintain the site, or else the remains will be disinterred and disposed of so the plot can be recycled.

For the elderly criminal, they die knowing that they will either be forgotten by relatives who don’t care about them, or burdening their relatives who do care about them with annual fees.

mycroft ,

That’s basically a prison graveyard, they’re on prison property and no one can visit…

Stovetop , (edited )

I’m assuming people can still visit in this scenario. They just get a number on the headstone instead of the name. The family can be told that is grandpa and they can visit, and if they care enough to visit and keep the plot, that might encourage them to pay for what essentially amounts to financial compensation for grandpa’s crimes.

mycroft ,

In cases such as this it would be amazing to bar them from having funerals.

“You’re too old to sit in a cell, so we’re just not going to ever lay you to rest”

Maybe it would help these criminals think about ramifications before committing their heinous offenses.

Oh come now, we have much worse punishments: they’re now under conservatorship, by Britney Spears dad and are on their way to the cheapest old folks home in their state. They’re “technology safe” so they can’t access the internet for their own personal safety…

Ya know, old folks prison, where poor people go after their family forgets about them and they die of neglect.

teegus ,

Rose Rook, 81, of Paw Paw

Please tell me that is a real place

SoSquidTaste ,

Lollll your eyes do not deceive you: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Paw+Paw,+MI+49079/@42.2029794,-85.9141649,13z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x8817402b8757f4d9:0x591a5245dbb45a30!8m2!3d42.2178171!4d-85.8911246!16zL20vMHZyOGI

gAlienLifeform OP ,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

“Paw Paw is named for the pawpaw trees which once grew along the Paw Paw River,” and those trees probably got their name from British people trying to say “papaya”

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Damn someone was just telling me I should plant paw paw trees the other day. Good fruit I guess?

mosiacmango ,

Supposed to be a flavor akin to a mix of banana and mango, so maybe the best fruit possible.

DickFiasco ,

Have you ever noticed, when you hear a word for the first time, you will hear that word again within twenty-four hours?

drhugsymcfur ,

If you catch them ripe then they are a seedy soft banana with a different flavor. It’s so soft that the best way to eat it is with a spoon using the peel as a bowl.

But they have a very short window of ripeness, there’s a reason that they’re not commercially grown and it’s generally because of the short ripeness window and they’re easy to bruise during transport.

If you’ve got the space and the time go for it, it’s a fun little conversation starter to give family, neighbors, & coworkers something that they may not know grows right in their back woodlot.

PutangInaMo ,

Wow TIL. It sounds amazing, can’t believe I never thought to look for north American native fruits like this. Thanks for the info.

fubo ,

A pawpaw is a real fruit, related to the cherimoya.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asimina

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Michigan has a Hell, so there’s no reason it can’t have a Paw Paw.

Drunemeton ,
@Drunemeton@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been there. When it SNOWED!

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Did it freeze over?

Drunemeton ,
@Drunemeton@lemmy.world avatar

It got a little moist, but we left before nightfall. (My mom, under no circumstances, was spending the night in Hell!)

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Here’s the most important question: Did they have a human-sized handbasket?

nuachtan ,

No, but they do have a country bar.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

well, not with kids in tow, certainly.

corsicanguppy ,

kids in tow

You see, she was already in hell ! :-D

TwoGems ,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

“Mooom! Paw paw from Paw paw’s trying to destroy our democracy again!”

Oderus ,

Can’t wait to see it all play out. You just know these people won’t accept responsibility and will blame others for their actions. I swear if they were 16-17 I wouldn’t be surprised but GOD DAMN, they’re all over 55 with 2 being over 80.

AssPennies ,

“We were just told to show up and sign this paper. If we had any information about it being untoward or illegal, we would not have done it”

That’s Ms. Michele Lundgren making excuses already. Like, you thought it was totally legal to pretend to be electors to subvert an election? Come on.

Oderus ,

We were just following orders … wait, where have I heard that before?

waigl ,

There are two people in there over 80, but the oldest baby boomers are “only” 77…

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

No living wage, no money for education, no money for health care, working three jobs to survive, and the world temperature and scarcity of housing are accelerating…

…but sure, let’s celebrate. This totally matters.

Nollij ,

These are some of the people who fought to create those problems, including fighting against democracy itself to ensure it.

It’s not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.

No, it isn’t.

It’s nothing. This will change nothing, as evidenced by the fact that even when Trump is performatively “arrested” there’s never handcuffs of a mugshot.

Djtecha ,

OK… So they shouldn’t get arrested? Fuck it lets go full nihilism here. Nothing matters my man, so why bother even posting here?

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

Of course they should.

I’m just years past pretending this is consequential, given that no one will go after any of the big fish in the pond. Can’t pretend we’re winning when we’re a year removed from reelecting a twice-impeached fascist.

Djtecha ,

There are about to be 3 independent indictments against trump. So they are going after the big fish here. No I understand your cynicism there until we actually see him get jail time and shows up for booking.

Cubes , (edited )

the fact that even when Trump is performatively “arrested” there’s never handcuffs of a mugshot.

What do you think the point of handcuffs and a mugshot are? He wasn’t at risk of being violent or arrested for a violent crime. Mugshots are for record keeping and identity purposes, but there is no need for that when the suspect is one of the most photographed people on the entire planet. Handcuffs and mugshots are not some weird way to humiliate people.

TwoGems ,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

what?

danc4498 ,

All cocksuckers on Medicare and social security and probably bitching about socialism.

Mdotaut801 ,

And lick the boots of the military…which is socialized.

dhorse ,

I am pretty disappointed in the Gen X generation. I really thought we were going to be a lot more open minded and accepting of people than we have turned out to be.

stringere ,

Think of all the people you’ve known who were open minded and accepting and how small the number of them seemed compared to the majority when we were growing up. Know that a lot of those people probably went on to inspire those qualities in others and raise their kids to value those things. I’ve seen mainstream society come a long way from my childhood in the 80s and teens in the 90s.

I agree, I had a lot more hope for Gen X but we were up against the juggernaut of the boomer voting bloc. As those selfish fucks age out we’re finally looking at the possibility of righting the ship.

dhorse ,

I agree that we have come a LONG way. I was in the first generation of ravers. I am aghast at some of my fellow old ravers and how they scorn the LGBQT community considering they were that their bars were often the only place we were offered safety and respect. The motto these guys wore on their sleeves was PLUR - Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect, but now they are SLUR.

A surprising number of ravers compared to my other social circles have gone full conspiracy, MAGA cult, qANON. IMO it attracted a good number of contrarians, counter culture, anti government types in the first place and they were bound to get roped into something like this. I thought hare krishna type things, but boy was I wrong!

stringere ,

That’s sad to hear. I was in the same scene. Fortunately the raver friends that I still keep in touch with didn’t go down that road.

theneverfox ,

I realized that the other day. My brother is gen z, and when I felt him out on lgbt issues (he’s been raised in a very conservative bubble), he just doesn’t care.

Then I realized - millennials were raised by gen x. I got a lot of ideas shoved in my head growing that took some time to unravel after I started to examine if my beliefs matched my morals… I just assumed he’d be in a similar position. But he’s been taught by millennials and seen it in the media, he never learned those hang ups I had to get past

This weekend it hit me - Gen x is driving force behind all of this body autonomy bullshit

Stovetop ,

A lot of millennials were still raised by boomers. If you’re an early to mid millennial, you’re probably more likely to have been raised by boomers than gen X-ers, since the oldest gen X-ers would have only been like 15 years old at the start of the millennial generation.

In 1988 (the midpoint year for millennials), the average age of someone having their first child was 27, so most kids born that year were born to late boomers. Only towards the 90’s, the last third of millennials, would you start seeing more Gen X parents than boomers.

And if you were a second or third child in the millennial generation, your parents were more likely to be boomers than not, too.

el_cordoba ,

I blame dementia. I have a parent that’s still a Trump supporter. It’s as if they’ve lost the ability to use reason. I am pretty sure Trump could shoot them in the face and they’d still vote for/support him.

Arsenal4ever ,

He said in 2015 that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and people would still love him. One thing I will say is that Trump realized he could easily grift people like your parent. I am sorry, BTW. It sucks.

sunbytes ,

There’s theories about the lead from leaded petrol doing a lot of brain damage before it was taken out.

JulesTheModest ,

Without looking, something like ppl born before 1980 or so. I really hope so, the following Gen (mine) isn’t as hot as I’d like but hoping for the best.

TwoGems ,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

There are some younger people just as far gone as them but there aren’t usually as many at Trump events

Mdotaut801 ,

Fuck boomers. Not literally, don’t fuck them….but FUCK THEM.

ChihuahuaOfDoom ,

Good, fuck em.

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