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mrgreyeyes , in Italy starts removing lesbian mothers’ names from children’s birth certificates

Maybe as a benchmark. How is it handled with adoption? Is that also not registered?

Tedesche , in In an ‘extraordinary’ move, Mississippi AG tries to overturn officer’s manslaughter conviction

Jesus, what douchebag AG. Clearly a political move to try to curry conservative votes. No empathy for the actual people involved in the tragedy, just an opportunity to score political points with her base.

As for the actual crime, it’s pretty clear the officer’s rough treatment of the victim contributed to his eventual death. Normally, my sympathy for victims of police brutality drops when it’s clear they resisted arrest, but it does depend on the particulars. I think cops are often too quick to resort to physical force in the U.S. One lesson (among many) we absolutely should take from police forces in Europe is to rely more on words, even if it takes longer.

AMuscelid ,

A common police trick is to twist someone’s arm until it’s in danger of dislocated so they panic and struggle, which gives them the excuse to use even more force and/or another charge (especially if they didn’t have a good reason to arrest them in the first place).

MomoTimeToDie , in Italy starts removing lesbian mothers’ names from children’s birth certificates

Isn’t the whole point of a birth certificate that it records the birth parents?

feedum_sneedson ,

Honestly I’m surprised it was ever allowed. A birth certificate should serve as a historical genealogical record and might be useful for tracking, for example, hereditary diseases like Huntington’s. It’s not much use if it’s got an unrelated adoptive parent on it. Maybe there should be an additional field for legal caregiver when there’s a difference.

thisisbutaname ,

What about if the father is an anonymous sperm donor? Why wouldn’t you write the other mom’s name in the birth certificate?

MomoTimeToDie ,

At least to the extent of my knowledge, it’s entirely acceptable to leave the spot empty if the father isn’t known, or at least not made known to whoever is tasked with pushing the paperwork through.

What is it that makes you people consider having adoptive parents being able to be listed on birth certificates a massive problem to fight for?

ocassionallyaduck ,

You are frankly being disingenuous if you imply that the way law treats a birth certificate is as a genealogical record. That is simply not true, and so long as it is not true, arguments that that should be the criteria of being listed on the document are fallicious.

MomoTimeToDie ,

I never said it did. Doesn’t justify your retarded position of just putting whoever on it.

ocassionallyaduck ,

The birth certificate is certifying the birth of a child, not their lineage of their parents. You are indeed attempting to use the document for something outside its scope.

feedum_sneedson ,

I would say it should still function as a genealogical record for a number of reasons, particularly as a useful medical record. If unknown, that should be specified - or include a reference to their anonymous medical records.

There could be another field for adoptive second parent at birth, if this is necessary. Otherwise I can see how it might cause problems for the adoptive parent in the event of a divorce. Although my understanding is this is already a formalised process, just different paperwork.

MomoTimeToDie ,

Although my understanding is this is already a formalised process, just different paperwork.

You’d be entirely correct in that understanding. Unfortunately the actual facts of the situation don’t make for a convincing piece of propaganda about just how victimized people are.

agissilver ,

Consider this: One from the couple is an egg donor, one is the surrogate.

Also, the point of the birth certificate is to record the existence of the child. This person exists, now they can be tracked (age, citizenship, etc), go to school, be taxed…

MomoTimeToDie ,

Consider this: One from the couple is an egg donor, one is the surrogate.

OK? What does that merit consideration for? Put down the parents, and fill out the usual slew of adoption paperwork.

agissilver ,

The “birth mother” is adoptive to you in that situation? Or the egg donor?

Jaysyn , in Italy starts removing lesbian mothers’ names from children’s birth certificates
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I guess Italy needs a reminder of what the rest of the world did to them the last time they chose Fascism.

wicked_fever01 ,

Not like the rest of the world is that much better off

Llewellyn ,
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Your point?

donuts , in DeSantis doubles down on claim that some Blacks benefited from slavery
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Ok, putting aside the disgusting stupidity of this claim for a second...

... what exactly is the political play here? I just can't see how this is a smart argument or a winning strategy.

cassetti , (edited )

Desantis is vying for political points that he can use nationally. He and his campaign think it'll score them points that might help them prove to be more "Trumpy" than other candidates.

donuts ,
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Honestly, while it wouldn't totally surprise me to have Republicans sink to an even lower low... I'm just not sure that there's a large contingent of national voters for who "actually slavery was pretty great for black people" is an important issues or a winning message.

I feel like it's ultimately suburban voters who tip the scale in a general election, and defending slavery isn't probably the main issue on their mind. And for the GOP primary, there's no chance that he pulls anything meaningful away from the Trump cult with this shit. It just seems so stupid.

Mirshe ,

You’d be entirely shocked at how racist suburban voters can be, and how open a lot of them have become in recent years.

MelonTheMan ,
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It’s all about pushing the needle and normalizing this shit. They can do whatever they want in Florida so they test drive their facist ideologies there.

I don’t think Desantis is being tooled as a viable candidate, just a useful ton of dead weight to push the scales further right.

80085 ,

I don’t think this, in particular, is about the campaign. It’s about ideology. I don’t think DeSantis is a grifter that only cares about getting elected or getting people to like him (unlike Trump). I think he is an actual pseudo-fascist. He is implementing all these changes to reshape Florida in his image. In this example, his goal is to have kids to grow up thinking all the poor black people are poor because they are not good workers or people, which is probably what he believes, or worse.

d4rknusw1ld , in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.

Hydrate!

wazoobonkerbrain ,

Once the wet bulb temperature gets too high then conditions become lethal no matter how much you drink. This is happening more often.

d4rknusw1ld ,

Yeah I know. Can’t regulate sweating at that point and the body will start to frog boil. Hydrate was just a term drill sergeants would tell us when it was hot as hell. Someone military probably understood the reference.

wanderingmagus ,

I did, I understood the reference! Hooyah PT!

Amilo159 , in Italy starts removing lesbian mothers’ names from children’s birth certificates
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From the article “Surrogacy is illegal in Italy, and gay marriage has not been legalized. Because same-sex relationships aren’t recognized in law, the non-biological parent has to make a special case for legally adopting their child.”

Makes sense, local government is simply following the law.

beto ,
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You realize most atrocities in history were done “just following the law”, right?

Swedneck ,
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y’all ever consider changing the law instead of enforcing something monstrous?

BombOmOm ,
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Having the birth-parents on the birth certificate is ‘monstrous’? Come now.

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

As someone who probably would have had to deal with a decade of abuse and neglect as a child if such a change had happened in Texas 20 years ago, I can prefer confidently say yes, it is monstrous.

BombOmOm ,
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Who would be abusing you for your birth parents being on your birth certificate? The only people who see that document are the people raising you and the DMV/Passport office.

Unaware7013 ,

....do you not understand how an abusive parent being on the birth certificate would have legal and custody implications?

That's not something that only the DMV/passport office sees, family judges see and may use that to determine custody arrangements, which can lead to abuse. I'm not sure how you managed to ignore the biggest and most obvious implications of changing parentage on the birth certificate.

BombOmOm ,
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…do you not understand how an abusive parent being on the birth certificate would have legal and custody implications?

One’s adoptive parents have full custody, that is the point of adoption.

MomoTimeToDie ,

It’s unfortunate that this community just mass downvotes anyone percieved as going against the approved narrative, even if it’s literally just stating facts.

MomoTimeToDie ,

Who would be abusing you for your birth parents being on your birth certificate

Nobody because he’s just making up random conjecture out of his ass so he can pretend he’s persecuted

dragonflyteaparty ,

That’s not what it said. It said it only allows biological parents and that adoption by same sex parents requires special permission. Please don’t change the argument until something else.

CeruleanRuin ,

You know how many outmoded and idiotic laws are still on the books, but are simply ignored because it’s embarrassing to even acknowledge them? Law is not absolute.

dragonflyteaparty ,

Absolutely. So they should be able to ignore the above quoted law.

lorez ,

I’m Italian and I’m ashamed.

Jaysyn ,
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Makes sense, local government is simply following the law.

... is what a fascist sympathizer would say in this situation.

MomoTimeToDie ,

Hey buddy, fascism isn’t just whenever you don’t actually have the ability to defend your position

lennybird , in 2-year-old Nevada boy dies from brain-eating amoeba after visit to hot spring
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

Couple things because I’ve delved into this myself a good bit — especially having what I view as a close call doing water-sports at a very warm lake that has a history of deaths from this very thing (cue a week’s worth of paranoia…)

  • Despite it being “always fatal,” we don’t really know how often it’s encountered and that our immune-system is able to get rid of it. (Nobody voluntarily gets it; nobody goes to the ER that isn’t sick for the very specific symptoms it presents as).
  • It has to get very far up your nose and is usually from kicked-up sediment.

Regarding Nasal Irrigation/Neti pot Risk: be sure to use distilled water. Also some bonus information I’ve written up previously regarding the benefits of nasal irrigation:

There have been many studies showing its effectiveness in reducing the duration and severity of both the common cold, as well as reducing the chance of hospitalization from covid 8x if done twice a day.

(BONUS: Gargling saltwater in tandem can also be effective — perhaps not so much with coronavirus, but with the common cold, etc.)

That’s not even saying anything about the benefits to those with allergies…

Pro tips for those wanting to do more nasal irrigation:

  • Do yourself a favor and get a nasal irrigation syringe instead of the pot. Much more control and a little pressure when needed.
  • Get the pre-made saline packets to ensure the dosage is appropriate and balanced to not burn.
  • Use distilled water only
  • Routinely sterilize your nasal irrigator in boiling water.
  • Look into using J&J Baby Shampoo in 1% solution if you need something stronger for a high-risk infection.
  • If not using it regularly, consider using the nasal-irrigation immediately after being in a “high-risk” environment such as an indoor area with many people tightly packed and at risk of being sick. It will flush your initial viral load and improve your odds of purging the infection before it starts.
Nugget ,

I swear I haven’t gotten any kind of viral infection since I started doing daily sinus rinses. And my head aches are gone!

Sizably8826 , in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.

We can thank the boomers for that

salton ,

New fools are born every day.

Misconduct ,

I mean… They did do stuff like fix the ozone layer. Unlike us, they have the excuse of information being considerably harder to come by because they didn’t really have the internet. So far, for the most part, all we’re doing collectively is being mad about it online. Oh, yeah I guess we banned straws.

Millennials have been adults for a while now and… Welp. I don’t think it’ll be long before the newer gens start heavy criticizing us and frankly we’ll deserve it. If we were any less apathetic than previous gens things would have already changed or be changing faster imo.

FoxAndKitten ,

On one hand yeah, I’d look at us pretty dimly from the outside

On the other, we’ve been kinda fucked. Our mental health is in the gutter, we’re unable to make connections the way every other generation could, we’re missing all these milestones like buying a house and having kids and older generations keep telling us it’s our fault.

Even as far as voting, we’ve been fucked. Previous generations had a choice - we get an ultimatum

They just keep gaslighting us.

We don’t have the money, we don’t have the power, but we do have the numbers and as a group we’re not ok… Frankly, there’s no way this ends well. It’s hard to comprehend how the powers that be haven’t realized that and thrown us a bone now and again

jesterraiin , (edited ) in 2-year-old Nevada boy dies from brain-eating amoeba after visit to hot spring
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  • elbarto777 , (edited )

    I have no stake in this game, but I think you’re exaggerating.

    First, not everything in OP’s post history is negative. There are actually a few very positive stories in there.

    Second, the community is called news, not good news. And unfortunately, bad news travel faster and reach further than good news.

    And finally, I’ve come across most of those headlines while scrolling around my feed, which means that the news community would be quite dead (Edit:) which means the news community would be less active if it weren’t for the contributions of OP. Help tip the balance, then!

    Edit: I re-checked and there are other active contributors in the news community, so I take back my “community being dead otherwise” comment.

    jesterraiin ,
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    There are actually a few very positive stories in there.

    An exception does not make the rule. It only strengthens it.

    And unfortunately, bad news travel faster and reach further than good news.

    This is no excuse to look for gems like the one we’re discussing under, and bring them to public attention. People die everywhere, each day. It’s a harsh truth and it won’t change. But it does not mean that everyone’s feed should be polluted by all those cherrypicked murders, kidnappings, abuse, violation that concerns people whose we didn’t know just a moment ago.

    …and whose pain and suffering still resonates with our own emotions.

    Help tip the balance, then!

    I do. By not joining the parade of misery and directing my efforts at less toxic communities. And also by stigmatizing the toxic behavior as wrong.

    elbarto777 ,

    An exception does not make the rule. It only strengthens it.

    We’re not talking about rules here.

    This is no excuse to look for gems like the one we’re discussing under

    OP is interested in those topics and he’s posting them. I don’t think there is malice in their intentions. Like I said, OP also posts good news. If there was ill-intention, then all of the posts would be “misery,” and you may have a point. But that’s not the case.

    I’m actually daring to say that pieces like this one would bring awareness to the risk of getting a brain eating amoeba infection under certain circumstances.

    I do. By not joining the parade of misery and directing my efforts at less toxic communities.

    And yet you’re commenting here ¯_(ツ)_/¯ . And no, that’s not participating by posting the news you want to see, and just whining in the comments, is not helping.

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  • oiez ,

    I have a 2 year old and live in Nevada. Now I know to avoid taking my kid to swim in warm fresh water ponds, so, kinda helpful?

    lennybird ,
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    What this user advocates for is Blissful Ignorance. They’d rather rather bury their head in the sand; and if that’s the case, then they either (a) should contribute to such threads with the sort of news they expect, or (b) unsubscribe and seek out places such as UpliftingNews.

    Anything less than these options and the person is a essentially a spoiled choosy beggar in my view who spreads just as much if not more negativity in their comments as they allege from OP’s submission.

    The user acts and quacks like a troll — or at least someone so imperceptibly-off that they lack a moment’s introspection to see that blissful ignorance invokes FAR more misery in this world than what he suggests.

    CherenkovBlue ,
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    Lol yep. I live around here and there are a lot of hot springs. This is actually important news - keep us aware and safe. Donno what that poster is smoking…

    FizzyD ,

    We serve food here, sir.

    jesterraiin ,
    @jesterraiin@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes. And it stinks in addition of making people sick.

    jaybirrd ,

    he is the agent of everything that’s bad about our world.

    TIL OP is literally Satan.

    jesterraiin ,
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    Nah, merely an useful idiot serving the wrong side.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    You have 356 comments and nearly any of them have upvotes.

    Keep telling your truths and we’ll keep ignoring it.

    jesterraiin , (edited )
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    What comments are you talking about? Who are “we” you’re talking about? A handful of drama-junkies with multiple accounts and not much to say?

    Oh my, I’m gonna get ignored by less than a soccer team. What an awful fate lies before me! Oh no!

    Deuces , (edited )

    He ripped you apart for the use of proverb/appeal to authority. You need to know your fallacies if you’re gonna argue. An early game mistake, but you gotta roll with the punches.

    OP is interested in those topics and he’s posting them. I don’t think there is malice in their intentions. Like I said, OP also posts good news. If there was ill-intention, then all of the posts would be “misery,” and you may have a point. But that’s not the case.

    This is where you could have clarified your argument. Something to the effect of “I’m not trying to make the claim that OP was being actively malicious. I’m saying that he was adding to the greater misery of all people by posting negative news that has no effect on anybody outside the family it happened to.” Remember to never use the phrase “I didn’t say” it sounds whiny and people hate it.

    Personally I’d add a paragraph here where I’d go off into a short diatribe about the 24 hour news cycle being accelerated by the internet. But that’s a stylistic choice.

    Again your final paragraph has conviction, which is good. But, this time you refered to an earlier argument which hurt you. You can reference the earlier paragraph, but he just claimed it didn’t hold water and your response was “yes it does”.

    Consider instead: “As I said before “short quote from before”. I don’t believe that engaging with things I disagree with perpetuates them. Though, if you have a more effective way of speaking out about it, I’d love to hear it.”*

    List of fallacies: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

    For proper logic you want the formal fallacy list, for better arguing you want the informal list.

    *Note: “I’d love to hear it” is a great way to end a part of the argument but it must (a) be specified with which part of the argument you’re talking about and (b) be something beyond repute. It’s a very helpful tool, but used carelessly, it will cut your hand.

    jesterraiin ,
    @jesterraiin@lemmy.world avatar

    He ripped you apart

    Tell me you’re an Internet newcomer without telling me you’re an Internet newcomer.

    Deuces ,

    Hey, this is gonna come off mean, but I’m really hoping some of it will rub off and you’ll take something to heart.

    You initial point wasn’t terrible. This next post lost anybody that may agree with you. Proverbs and quotes don’t win arguments, they come off as appeals to authority.

    In your next paragraph you need to give some room so you don’t come off as unwilling to agree on anything. "I see where your coming from, but “this thing” rubs me the wrong way. “Explanation of why”. In contrast, if what they just said really doesn’t make sense to you: “I honestly can’t understand how you feel that way given that…”

    Either way, this is also where you need to present your evidence.

    Your final paragraph is great. You have conviction in your stance on the argument. Great way to end a first reply where you haven’t been convinced of anything.

    jesterraiin ,
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    Hey, this is gonna come off mean

    It won’t since I won’t read it.

    Deuces ,

    Fair enough. I hope you’ll consider reading it as that was intended to be a consolation before genuine critique, but you’re your own person.

    blazera ,
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    darkest dungeon plague doctor avatar...

    6mementomori ,

    mama mia…

    WhiteHawk ,

    Here I go again…

    StealthToad ,

    My my…

    RagingNerdoholic ,

    Because ignoring all the bad stuff makes it go away /s

    Maybe take a look in the mirror and realize your toxic positivity.

    jesterraiin , (edited )
    @jesterraiin@lemmy.world avatar

    Because ignoring all the bad stuff makes it go away

    Yes.

    In your case it will make 0,0000001% of negativity gone with no loss of anything valuable. It’s a win-win situation. It’s worth it.

    And with that I bid you farewell, with the final suggestion to heal yourself, if you’re so empathetic about people, yo.

    Blamemeta ,

    There are a million tragic stories everyday. We ignore 999,999. Why focus on something so negative that we can’t change, all we can do is feel sad?

    Speculater ,
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  • Shialac ,

    bro what

    5redie8 ,

    Wake up babe, new Lemmy copypasta just dropped

    DaveNa , in DeSantis doubles down on claim that some Blacks benefited from slavery

    And people said “it can’t get more stupid than trump.”

    MomoTimeToDie , in Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft and other tech firms agree to AI safeguards set by the White House

    “big tech glad the government regulates competition out of existence” would be a better headline. Everyone involved in passing this shit deserves to be hung.

    MomoTimeToDie , in US plans water heater standards, says they will save consumers $11 billion

    Gotta love the government getting involved where it doesn’t belong.

    solidsnake2085 , in US plans water heater standards, says they will save consumers $11 billion
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    I’m a plumber in Denver and we are already dealing with the natural gas ban in the city limits. If someone’s gas water heater goes out it’s possible we have to wait up to two weeks to install one. This is after we have to give a detailed explanation as to why we can’t just upgrade to an electric one. If they deny the gas water heater and make us put in an electric one the cost for the homeowner is way more expensive. It’ll be interesting to see how this will all play out.

    Buelldozer ,
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    Natural gas ban? Hadn’t heard about that.

    solidsnake2085 ,
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    They passed it this year. Link

    Tb0n3 , in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.

    How much if that is due to surging populations?

    voidMainVoid ,

    What would that have to do with heat?

    mayo ,
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    Someone else brought it up, but the idea that this is a “common” incident during summer and if the population has increased 30% then you’d expect some correlation with the number of incidents.

    Tb0n3 ,

    Because it’s a graph of incidents and not a per capita representation.

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