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LemmyKnowsBest , in We live in a society

Nice to see there are some military members who aren’t so conditioned & brainwashed & beaten down, they can still see the ridiculousness of it all.

tryptaminev ,

How are you supposed to condition a human to go kill and die in a brutal onslaught, if you can’t condition him to wear an uniform and shave?

LemmyKnowsBest ,

IKR?! 😆

dsemy ,

You’d be surprised how much soldiers care about facial hair

justabigemptyhole ,

Try getting a gas mask to seal properly with a beard. Just sayin

ALostInquirer ,

Would specialized velcro for beards help?

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

That’s most of them, or at least the junior enlisted.

NaibofTabr ,

Men, it’s just a job.

LemmyKnowsBest ,

Did you mean to write Meh instead of Men?

NaibofTabr ,

Hah, yes, stupid autocorrect

ObviouslyNotBanana OP , (edited )
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve never claimed to be involved in the military. I just like degrading other men at work!

Honytawk ,

So you are in the military

ObviouslyNotBanana OP ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Probably the japanese one

AngryCommieKender ,

What color is your favorite flavor?

humorlessrepost ,

Orange

vivadanang ,

signal soldier I see.

Kusimulkku ,

some

lol

turkalino ,
@turkalino@lemmy.yachts avatar

The military is actually packed with the kind of people you described. Just don’t look in the NCO ranks, or field grade officers and above.

LemmyKnowsBest ,

Exactly. It’s the lower enlisted people who haven’t been in as long and aren’t fully brainwashed & conditioned to the cult obedience mindset yet.

TooLazyDidntName ,

That and the guard!

GreenMario , in dark tower deck supremacy

First of all, fuck you. Second, dark castle. Third ow owie my back

dannoffs ,
@dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org avatar
  1. roses, obviously
  2. my neck hurts so bad today that I can’t tell if my back hurts.
ummthatguy ,
@ummthatguy@lemmy.world avatar
Nudding ,

I was a dark tower boi but now I think I’m a rose man. Weird conversation, thanks.

DokPsy ,

I flipped between dark tower and cheater mccheater face on the bottom right.

dannoffs ,
@dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Welcome to adulthood. I’m running to Home Depot in like 5, do you need anything?

getoffthedrugsdude OP ,

An ADA grab bar for my toilet maybe

dannoffs ,
@dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

You okay with a suction one, or should I grab a real one and a guy to to install it? This is norcal and I’m “woke” so a home depot guy is like $30/hr.

Daft_ish , (edited )

Did. Those. Bats. Just. Move?!

Back2back88 ,

Bats?

conditional_soup , in I need answers

I am a computer programmer, this is exactly how it works. Why else do you think electronics have fans in them if not to blow fresh, crisp wifi in and stale, soggy wifi out?

Spliffman1 ,
@Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

Duuh so obvious and nobody realized it 🤦‍♂️

Darkassassin07 , in Can't ticket what you can't catch
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

The military doesn’t like airspace violations much…

Doesn’t really matter which country.

BastingChemina ,

It happened to a friend (with a pilot license I precise).

He was flying a small two seat aircraft and got contacted through the radio and for asked if he was ok to do a exercice with military aircraft.

He agreed so soon after two fighter jet arrived on his left and right. To be able to fly at the same speed as him they were almost standing vertically. They directed him for a bit without any radio contact, then thanked him through the radio and left.

They were doing a exercise to direct someone with no radio contact.

intelati ,

Even if I knew the jets were exercising, I’d still be making diamonds.

Zikeji ,
@Zikeji@programming.dev avatar

I feel like this is the type of thing where as a passenger you’d be having the time of your life but the pilot? Shaved 10 years off lol.

intelati ,

It’s kind of like driving beside a Police car. but the car is worth $1million easy… (Assuming F-16s or trainers.)

limelight79 ,

I’m reminded of Mathias Rust. The guy is very lucky he wasn’t shot down.

Darkassassin07 ,
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

Holy shit. Yeah, he’s incredibly lucky to not be a pink mist. Still did 14months of a 4 year sentence in a labour camp though.

Gabu , in dems the fact jack

Tax her, then

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Yep, but don’t forget the rest of the billionaire class.

slacktoid ,
@slacktoid@lemmy.ml avatar

And the millionaire class.

Tak ,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

And corporations. Allowing profit to go free is allowing the labor who made the profits to go unpaid.

KrankyKong , in You can’t scare me

A lot of times the game is unplayably dark at the recommended setting.

Son_of_dad ,

Learned this hard while playing alien isolation, especially since my night vision has been going to shit. My eyes were watering while I was playing, it was so dark

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

What I found is that videogames, are usually tailored to the eyes of younger audiences. Young adults and teenagers. Typical “playing in dark room with only a screen illuminating” stuff.

As I grow older however, I found that I need my rooms lights to be turned on to be comfortably plsy, with my screens brightness turned up just slightly. I also much appreciate features that help with vision impairment despite having an otherwise perfectly fine working vision.

Smoogs ,

Yeh I kinda wonder if their ‘recommended’ setttings assumes you play in your bedroom with the lights all off inside a blanket fort.

FatTony ,

Also, what is exactly is barely visible? Like do I need to baaaaaaarely see it? Or just barely see it, like a normal person?

agitatedpotato , in Technically it's always the first in China until they get removed from the movie

Funfact to tell the haters(since I assume few if any are here): The gays are not doing this to Disney. Disney is doing this to the gays, they make 17 first openly this or that kind of queerness because they want the gay peoples money.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the point of the meme, I thought?

Like… we know you’re just pandering, Disney.

agitatedpotato ,

Yeah, and maybe its just me, but I had never though before this meme to phrase my thoughts about it the way I did, and I like the way it explains where the ‘action’ is coming from very plainly, since I hear opponents of representation claim that it works in reverse and somehow the gays are forcing media conglomerates to bend to their will, instead of the media conglomerates putting out whatever extracts the most cash. Like I don’t expect the right leaners I know to understand and agree with this comment I’m typing, but I really feel like I could get somewhere if I phrased it like in the one you replied to. Of course not everyone can be moved in the first place, but its the idea I get from my experiences with them.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@kbin.social avatar

They will then counter this with "Well if they just shut up and minded their own business instead of telling everybody all about how much cock they suck, it wouldn't matter", completely missing the point that these folks have been minding their own business for centuries and regularly getting murdered for it, and also completely missing the extremely obvious parallels to Jim Crow and the civil rights movement (or maybe not, maybe that's why they hate it so much). It is their opinion that they shouldn't have to know you're gay, and that you should have to live in fear of revealing that fact for your entire lifetime. And that's just the crowd that doesn't believe that homosexuality is a direct affront to God and should be stamped out as a moral imperative.

I've had this conversation before a few times, it always comes back around to the same points. Conservatives become extremely unconformable with the knowledge that The Gays(R) exist and typically wield misunderstood Bible quotation in defense of that. Those who don't, will resort to the argument that they shouldn't have to have it "thrust into their faces", as though the knowledge that gay folks exist is some great personal burden to them. They will happily tell people to "mind their own business" and "keep it to yourself" so long as their lungs have air with which to speak, but when told themselves to mind their own damn business, suddenly this is unacceptable.

simple , in Technically it's always the first in China until they get removed from the movie

Literally the only thing I know about this movie is that the main character is gay, Disney really tried to make that a selling point.

StarManta ,

He’s not even the main character, he’s a sidekick and not even the most prominent of the sidekicks really. (Despite the fact that he appears first in many character lists for the movie, the protagonist is Searcher)

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Idk you’re really underselling Ethan’s role in the story. If anything him being gay is such a side plot it doesn’t even matter. But I wouldn’t say he is a “sidekick” lol

rockSlayer ,

Naturally, because if it was like Nimona, then the character can’t be edited out for regressive countries

Black616Angel ,

Which is a shame, since this movie is really good and the message is great.

It’s a solarpunk-y movie about the dangers of fossil fuel and living with your environment.

wheeldawg ,

This post is the first time I’ve heard of the movie.

simple ,

Apparently we’re not missing much.

HawlSera , in POVERTY IS A FEATURE NOT A BUG

The world will never recover until poverty is seen not as a character flaw, but as a failure of society itself to provide for the most vulnerable.

Daft_ish ,

They wouldn’t be vulnerable if they just overcame their own biology and lifetime of trauma. Its that simple, they arent trying hard enough.

TheOriginalGregToo ,

I get your point, and while there is certainly a subset of people who are suffering through no fault of their own, there are plenty of people who are lazy and/or made terrible decisions. Lumping them all together like you are doesn’t help the situation. Those who want help should absolutely be helped. Those who don’t should not be allowed to ruin it for the rest of us.

wokehobbit ,

You’re going to get downvoted into oblivion for speaking the truth. Lemmy is full or libritards who are just as bad as the far right nutjobs. Both don’t live in reality.

Daft_ish ,

What is your reality that is so much more salient and rational?

paNic ,

“The point” was actually a joke.

PsychedSy ,

We all have our limits. Some people seem to be tougher than others. There are things people go through that I would last maybe two weeks before killing myself. When analyzing these situations it’s hard to balance compassion and being reasonably critical.

Ookami38 ,

I’d guess absolutely every person in a shit situation wants help. No one WANTS to be homeless, destitute, and addicted. The problem is, that for a lot of the worst off people in the world, that’s pretty much all they have. Sometimes, the only source of any light in someone’s life is a chemically induced high. Who am I to tell someone in that situation that they can’t do one of the few things that makes life kind of ok?

This kind of thing is a failing of society, not the person, no matter how deep you drill. Each and every one of the people in this shit needs help, not judgement, not to get clean, not to make money. Start with providing actual help, a home, food, mental and physical healthcare. It doesn’t have to be luxurious,just safe.The rest will follow naturally.

Peddlephile ,

There are also those who make bad decisions and are lazy but have a lot of money and power regardless. Being lazy/making terrible decisions does not equal poor; same as being hard working/making good decisions.

The system at this stage is just geared towards making the poor poorer and the rich richer. E.g. making people pay lots of money to stay healthy rather than give people equal opportunity, making good education only accessible to the rich by making it prohibitively expensive, the wage divide between an employee and a CEO, family trusts and associated taxes etc.

cyclohexane ,

What do you mean by “overcame their own biology”?

MotoAsh ,

I think he’s trying to make a joke by appealing to the absurdity, like pulling yourself up by the boot straps. Literally impossible.

Though Poe’s Law and general stupidity are up lately, so…

Ookami38 ,

The simple fact of the matter is that most things most people do are simply input -> biology happens -> output. Breaking that hardwired process that happens in the background for every miniscule decision you make is the basis of like, every kind of therapy, self-help, meditation routine, etc.

cooopsspace ,

Literally people born with or contracting disabilities that leave them permanently destitute due to you not being able to eat or house yourself without work you can’t do because your disabled.

winterayars ,

And because of how disability works in the US, if they want care they’re legally forbidden from ever having money so…

dangblingus ,

They’re being satirical. They’re saying it’s virtually impossible to not succumb to poverty if you have disabilities, trauma, or racial prejudice working against you.

winterayars ,

Also historical and/or generational poverty.

Daft_ish , (edited )

I’d file that under trauma. If there was no trauma caused by extreme poverty like; parent was a sexworker; watching a parent lose it all; emotional neglect; physical neglect; history of incarceration; generational drug abuse, it would be more unlikely they would succumb to homelessness. That said, you are right.

winterayars ,

Generational poverty is also historically about racism. Now, that’s changing but it’s changing more because it’s just getting harder to get out of poverty than it is because there’s less racism…

Daft_ish ,

I do not disagree.

yewler ,

My freaking God. I volunteered at a local charity org a bit this summer and one of the first things they told us in orientation was that “most people think that poverty is about what people lack. But it’s actually a mindset.” That pissed me the heck off not gonna lie.

Viking_Hippie ,

Was it a religious charity org? Those ones are often condescending assholes like that…

yewler ,

It was, unfortunately, yeah.

IHaveTwoCows ,

The Lard’ll provide

Omega_Haxors ,

There is no hate like Christian love.

letsgocrazy ,

Yeah, you should have told the homeless charity you just joined the truth about homelessness!

Viking_Hippie ,

It was a religious charity org. They weren’t spreading or accepting any evidence-based truth.

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the ticket. The most hardworking people I’ve ever met are also some of the poorest.

TheGiantKorean , in May as well be an iFunny watermark.
@TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world avatar

“Lemmy is a selfhosted social link aggregation and discussion platform.”

Non-techie people: wat

Rolando ,

ikr all that join-lemmy needs to do is list a bunch of servers and say: browse these, click Join if you like it.

Valmond ,

Then again, there can be any kind of mix of different instances on a server so maybe the uptime + the rules is even more important?

jelloeater85 ,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

lemmy-status.org ? (Disclosure, yes I run it)

Valmond ,

Cool site!

Just a question, you say my instance have like 8 users which is maybe correct, but this site says it’s like a hundred:

img.shields.io/…/moebius_art%40lemmy.mindoki.com?…

So maybe I’m mixing stuff up, but I have already had like 10+ upvotes on a post, so are they “users” ?

Cheers and continue the good work!

jelloeater85 ,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

I go off FediDB for my stats. so it needs to be above x users for it to get added. Also TY TY <3

BuboScandiacus ,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

Even that is too hard for most people, you need to be able to download an app from the appstore and register in under 2 minutes, then lemmy needs to provide enough interesting content easily for the average person to stay.

Little8Lost ,

yes

cyclohexane ,

Lemmy doesn’t aim to captivate and take over your attention like most social media does. If that’s what people want, they should stick to their other platforms.

newIdentity , (edited )

Oh. It does. It does.

Nowadays I can doomscroll for hours

CreeperODeath ,

Yeah but I find lemmy to be less Instant dopamine and more thought provoking post

Which for me I think is really healthy cause I wrecked my attention span

newIdentity ,

So you think Beef Stroganoff is thought provoking?

Klear ,

I’m more of a beans person myself.

Draedron , in I'm not even sure I want to know

A lemmy instance full of trolls and people celebrating chinese and russian fascism in the name of socialism

Brisolo32 ,

i once read a thread where they were saying to defederate from everyone. then why federate in the first place

clay_pidgin ,

Their instance, I gather, is set to NOT federate with anyone by default, and their admins need to manually add other instances to their federation. Most instances are set to federate by default, so they need to un-federate with another instance here and there.

bloodfart ,

They’re whitelist for federation, yeah.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

They vote on who to Federate with

SeaJ ,

Some whine that they did not want federation in the first place and the mods did it without their consent. Slightly ironic considering they do not like democracy (although they claim you can have democracy without voting…somehow).

Brisolo32 ,

haha democracy without voting

SeaJ ,

Every hexbear person I have come across thinks China is a democracy despite people not being able to at least vote for their representatives.

sgtlion ,

Since when do people in China not get to vote for their representatives?

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

Since when was voting for representatives indicative of democracy? If your vote is fixed or if you can only vote for a singular party you wouldn’t be democratic at all.

In China’s case you dan vote for your local representative in an election that might be fixed and you can only vote for communists so while they have voting Im not sure they even count as a failed/failing democracy like the USA is.

MrBusinessMan ,

Wrong, there are at least 8 other parties in congress and at local levels you don’t need to be a member of any party to be elected to certain posts. Where’s your evidence of the votes being fixed? You’re just lying and making things up about spooky enemy country

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

All eight parties are only permitted to exist at the whim of the central party. That is a Jupiter sized red flag for fairness in elections. China has never had a free or fair election ever.

China is not a democracy on any level. Just like Iran isn’t despite the fact you vote for more people directly as an Iranian.

MrBusinessMan ,

Same thing in other countries. US only has two parties to choose from and the elections don’t matter, sometimes they even make the person who got less votes than the other one president.

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

No, the USA has dozens of parties and no individual party decides who can run. It is a critical difference.

MrBusinessMan ,

How many parties in Congress? Every president for over a century has been one of the two parties, it’s not a democracy at all. That’s a good thing by the way. If it was a democracy the lazy poors could vote away the power of the rich. That’s why James Madison who wrote the constitution said we can’t have a democracy because it would stop us from hoarding wealth. I’m glad he did that because otherwise us wealthy folk wouldn’t be able to do whatever we want.

Chinas problem is it has too much democracy. The people that live there like their government (gross!) and say that it is democratic. That’s because the lazy poors over there get to run the show and the rich can’t just do whatever they want (NOT GOOD).

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

Three or four as I recall are in Congress right now but that is a false equivalence as the issue is the Chinese Communist Party determines what opposition can exist to them. That is why they are not democratic.

People can like their government all they want. It does not make them democratic. Given Xi’s recent move to make him eligible to lead for life they are in serious danger of no longer being socialist.

MrBusinessMan ,

The Democrat and Republican parties definitely determine who can run since they make all the laws. It’s a dictatorship, which is good for me since I’m rich and I don’t want lazy poors to be able to vote for dumb policies that tax me more to pay for handouts.

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

No the two parties do not determine who can run. They determine who can run for their party. China’s communist party decides who can oppose them which means they are neither democratic nor a free population

MrBusinessMan ,

Oh no, somebody should tell them!

MrBusinessMan ,

There are literally millions of elections in China every year, what the actual fuck are you talking about? Who told you they don’t vote for their representatives? They lied to you.

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

what the hell are you talking about

every person there will describe their democratic beliefs, all of whom have a voting system with representatives. That is basic leftism. Are you lying or just born a fool?

SeaJ ,

I think I recall seeing you post calling for the death of other users. Not going to put much stock in what you say.

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

:D I’m recognized

I call for the death of bigots, not people lol

SeaJ ,

Everyone you consider a ‘lib.’ Real discerning. /s

Although I’m pretty sure that was your hexbear alt. Don’t you also want to defederate from everyone? Why are you here?

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Oh this was an excursion to see my “caught in 4k” glory. Nothing more. I want hexbear out of anyone’s reach, but that does not mean I want you guys out of my reach.

SeaJ ,

Oh god that is sad.

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

dont worry, ya’ll are too boring for me to pop up but rarely

OurToothbrush ,

Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.

jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

PrinzMegahertz ,
  1. thanks for sharing. Quite an interesting read.
  2. I don‘t think the linked text supports your argument at all. Calling the chinese fascists in light of the way they treat their citizens in general and the genocide against the Uyghurs especially is not at all comparable to eastern European nations revering people that murdered yews.
OurToothbrush , (edited )

No offense but you missed the point. The most extreme claim from a german christian fascist was that China has 1 million people in reducation camps.That is not equivalent to the intentional extermination of 11 million people, before we count the 19 million soviet civilians who died during the german invasion outside the concentration camps.

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

Your source does not support your claim.

Also Russia is clearly fascist in its current form so any “communist” supporting the current Russian government is at best confused.

OurToothbrush ,

China isn’t fascist, it is an capitalist/socialist mixed industrial economy with a ruling socialist party. Russia is literally just another oligarchy with opposed interests to US Oligarchy, they don’t have the important base economic markers characteristic of fascism and yes, the article opposes equating fascists and communists.

gowan ,
@gowan@reddthat.com avatar

I never said China is fascist. Im not sure their government could become fascist given the ideological gaps between fascism and whatever we want to call the system China has.

The USA isn’t an oligarchy and the Gilens and Page paper people keep referencing never actually makes that claim. The USA is a plutocracy. Our wealthy people rarely gain their wealth as a direct result of government appointments.

Russia is clearly fascist at this point.

Draedron ,

Jewish people arent the only people who ever were victim to fascism… To say china commits a holocaust is holocause trivialization. To say it is a fascist country is not.

OurToothbrush ,

To say it is a fascist country is making fascism look better then it is. Fascism doesn’t have 95 percent of the population approving of the government. Fascism doesn’t exempt minorities from the one child policy. Fascism doesn’t end extreme poverty in a country of 1.4 billion people. Fascism doesn’t lead to trans youth Healthcare clinics sprouting up in major cities.

American_Communist22 ,
@American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

you don’t seem to have an ideology besides repackaged liberalism

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Typical lib argument.

ThereRisesARedStar , in fixed cyberghost's "meme"

OP determining whether to believe the US about socialist movements

us-foreign-policy

Also look up double genocide theory and stop trivializing the holocaust by calling communists fascists.

dangblingus ,

Sorry, who were the communists during the holocaust?

ThereRisesARedStar , (edited )

Do you mean the german ones thrown in the camps or the soviet leadership who were the last of the eventual allied powers to do any sort of appeasement with Hitler (after exhausting all attempts to form an alliance with Britain and France) because communism is less aligned with fascist goals than liberalism is aligned with fascist goals, massive underexageration mine? Do you mean the communist low level officials who helped in a massive ethnic relocation program to move vulnerable minorities out of the way of the eventual german invasion? Or do you mean the population of the only communist nation which lost 26 million people, around 1/6th of their population, stopping the holocaust?

Or were you referring to the joke about racism? If so, you gotta look up how the population of the USSR was not considered white at the time. Emma Goldman for example basically called Stalin a slanty eyed conniving Asian, for example. Nowadays slavs are still called orcs and shit by westerners.

Flinch ,
@Flinch@hexbear.net avatar

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

mexicancartel ,

OP is not calling communists fascists. OP is calling the dictators pretending to be communist, fascists!

ThereRisesARedStar ,

The initial meme included basically all communist countries, they mean communists.

Also which communist countries had dictators again?

mexicancartel ,

The initial meme included basically all communist countries

This meme is against the initial meme.

Also which communist countries had dictators again?

China, North Korea

ThereRisesARedStar ,

This meme is against the initial meme.

The initial meme made fun of being against those countries as a socialist. This meme is against that idea. Ergo…

China, North Korea

When?

mexicancartel ,

When?

Always has been. Government taking control of every action of citizens is dictatorship. Theese people have total power of the country

…Ergo…

What??

ThereRisesARedStar ,

Always has been. Government taking control of every action of citizens is dictatorship. Theese people have total power of the country

The DPRK and China both don’t have parties that are in any way capable of controlling every action of their citizenry. They both have massive grassroots democratic institutions. Hell, look up whole process peoples democracy and the taean work system.

what

The initial meme made fun of being against those countries as a socialist. This meme is against that idea. Ergo… the meme is against all those socialist countries.

xor ,

no way you’re trying to pretend like dprk is a free country…

go ask some refugees what it’s like

xionzui , in The life of a photon

To be pedantic, photons never accelerate. They only ever travel at one speed in one direction

Subverb ,

And as they’re massless, photons do not experience time. Regardless of how far a photon travels, from its perspective, the journey takes no time.

Pseu ,
@Pseu@kbin.social avatar

It also does not experience space, as the entire universe has been length contracted in its direction of motion into a 2d plane. It is simultaneously occupying every point along its path. So it doesn't need to experience time.

spacesweedkid27 ,

Relativistic effects are cool

xionzui ,

I’ve been trying to wrap my head around this part and what it means for cause and effect for a while. I think Feynman said something like a photon is only ever emitted when the source and destination agree to exchange one. Which makes sense if the exchange is instantaneous to the photon. But how can billions of years pass for us in the mean time?

Neato ,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Because there isn't perspective of a photon. It doesn't experience because it doesn't change like mass does.

I'm not sure Feynman was right. Most photons are emitted and never absorbed by anything.

Peruvian_Skies ,
@Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social avatar

Photons exist, so there is the perspective of a photon. Most may not be absorbed but that's irrelevant because some are. And when they are, their perspective - like them - ends. Like yours does when you die.

The photon does not experience time, but we do, so from our perspective they can be emitted and absorbed even though from their perspective they are timeless. Again, like us. Before you were born, you didn't experience being not alive. From your own perspective, you've always existed, even though from the perspective of someone older than you, there was a time when you didn't.

Neato ,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

I was using the wrong term. Photons don't have a frame of reference.

But even from the colloquial definition, photons don't have perspective. They don't live and die because they never experience time. If you had their point of view, your beginning and end would happen simultaneously, meaning you wouldn't experience anything. They are immutable particles whose only interactions are emission and absorption.

SpeakinTelnet ,
@SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works avatar

I just want to say how much I appreciate those discussion. They remind me of how little I know even though I’m considered an “expert” in my field of work.

Peruvian_Skies ,
@Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social avatar

There's a difference between time not passing and not existing. To a photon, space (in the direction of its movement) doesn't exist, as its origin and destination points are the same. But time does not pass - the axis of time is there, but the photon never budges in either direction, like a rock buried in the middle of the desert doesn't move in any spatial direction on a human timescale. The photon's beginning and end aren't simultaneous, quite the opposite. Since it can't move in time, they might as well be infinitely far apart.

riskable ,
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Most photons are emitted and never absorbed by anything…

Yet

Eventually all photons will hit something. Even if it’s a trillion trillion trillion years in the future when nearly everything in the universe has decayed into irony.

0ops ,

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but eventually the universe is going to be expanding faster than the speed of light. At that point all interaction ceases, and any photons that didn’t get absorbed by something yet never would.

peopleproblems , (edited )

Sort of. The expansion of space causes (and is measured by) redshift. The photon that doesn’t get absorbed “exists” until its wavelength is not measurable (as its wavelength approaches infinity).

The cool thing about this is that it is identical to what happens in a black hole. Spaghettification. This also has the fun consequence of us possibly existing inside of a black hole, and black holes themselves are entire universes. Because of the breakdown of physics beyond the event horizon its not exactly easy to confirm or deny this either.

Edit: redshift not redshirt. Startfleet personal aren’t dying here, it’s photons

0ops ,

Genuine question, how do we know that photons are being emitted that never get absorbed if observing them requires absorbing them? Is it an energy loss type of thing with the emmiter where we have to assume x many photons had to have been emitted to explain the loss?

Neato ,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Because we know how different things emit photons. We know a light bulb emits photons in all directions because we can move around and measure it. And we can see the photons being emitted from objects receiving the initial light bulb's light as well so we know it's emitting light in that direction as well.

The idea that photons are only emitted if they hit something also doesn't make sense because of power usage and how we know particle physics work.

Death_Equity ,

Open loop dispersion vs closed loop absorption, in either case they are a distinction of low energy observer bias. They are functionally equal because the waveform is a projection through a open feature of a manifold bound by a topological inversion that intersects it.

So the photon never really goes anywhere, we just see its shadow cast across a screen that moves from our perspective.

Subverb ,

Obviously it doesn’t experience space if it doesn’t experience time. It’s emitted and absorbed simultaneously in its frame.

tcrpz ,

It also does not experience, as it lacks consciousness

0ops ,

Well now we’re getting into philosophy

tdawg ,

Are we? Like even if you believe in the sliding scale it feels preposterous to assert there isn’t some breakpoint (even a fuzzy one) between inorganic thing that doesn’t experience and organic thing that does

0ops ,

My stance is that if we can define, measure, and test experience, then it’s science. But “experience” is a pretty vague term, and the way it’s used is pretty human-centric. To me “experience” isn’t so much a sliding scale thing that’s actually measurable in nature as much as it’s a human construct. If you ask me, if there’s a fuzzy breakpoint, it’s due to the word’s ambiguous definition, not reality.

rockerface ,

I have no consciousness and I must experience

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

How do you know, though? 🤔

funkless_eck ,

I am therefore I must know.

stebo02 ,
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A photon would somehow experience the big bang, the heath death of the universe and everything in-between all at the same time.

spacesweedkid27 ,

They don’t accelerate, but can travel at different velocities in different mediums.

For example light travels faster in air than in water and fastest in a perfect vacuum.

xionzui ,

In aggregate, yes, but any individual wave of light is still traveling at c. You get the appearance of a slower wave because secondary waves are generated that cancel the original one in such a way that it makes a combined wave that appears to be slower.

peopleproblems ,

Not quite.c is the speed of light in a vacuum. It’s more accurate to say c is the speed of causality.

Velocity/speed isn’t very useful with photons either - its a wave-particle.

Light in changing mediums is a separate but related phenomenon. The photon essentially doesn’t continue on its same path, it gets absorbed by the particles in the medium. This leads to changing states (of usually an electron in an atom) which may emit another photon, remain stable but increase the atom’s kinetic energy (I can’t remember how likely that is, if at all), or it may eject the electron, ionizing the atom. In any case, the state changes, because the whole system (the atom, electron, and photon) can’t have net energy gain or loss.

xionzui ,

That was always my assumption about why it happened, but it turns out that’s not the case at all: youtu.be/CUjt36SD3h8

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pennomi ,

I believe they still travel at the speed of light, but are regularly absorbed and re-emitted in a way that makes the effective speed less than c.

yewler ,

How do reflections work? Aren’t changes in direction caused by acceleration? Also aren’t photons affected by the gravity of black holes? How does that work?

xionzui , (edited )

Reflections involve the material absorbing and re-emitting photons back the other direction.

The curvature of light from gravity is actually space-time itself being curved by mass. The light continues on a straight path through a curved space-time. It looks like it changes direction from the outside, but that’s just the shape of the universe in that area.

That’s why we feel gravity. The space-time around earth is curved inward, so going forward in time would actually mean falling towards the center if we were stationary in space. The ground is constantly accelerating us upwards. Light does not get accelerated that way, so it follows the curvature.

If you want to get really deep into the reflection topic: youtu.be/rYLzxcU6ROM

yewler ,

Heyo that’s dope! Definitely adding that video to my watch later. Thanks for explaining that.

xionzui ,

It is! I also found this video later that I think does a better job of explaining reflection: youtu.be/1n_otIs6z6E

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Batman ,

Well that’s like, your point of reference, man

qwertyqwertyqwerty , in Inflation yaay!

Don’t forget the company meetings where leadership says things like “this is the best quarter we have ever had”, along with “we need to work harder to stay competitive”. Sigh.

JeffMarkFrank ,

“Despite making record profits, we still didn’t hit EBITDA this year, therefore no bonuses or raises. Merry Christmas!”

r00ty Admin ,
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That's not true. The senior management team will be getting raises in line with inflation and also huge bonuses for those record profits. Not to mention their share value increasing.

itsAsin ,
@itsAsin@lemmy.world avatar

Danny-fucking-Kaye

lord_ryvan ,

Oh yeah check that box too, for me

Viking_Hippie , in Bloody nose

Reminds me of the first time a friend of mine and his dad went to London. They were both more or less fluent, though his dad less so:

My friend’s dad, trying to order an extra rare steak: “A bloody steak, please”

Waiter, without missing a beat: “Certainly, sir. Would you like some fucking potatoes with that?”

Hugh_Jeggs ,

Did ye aye

Kiosade ,

I mean it is kind of weird that “rare” is used to denote “barely cooked”, when it usually means “very scarce or hard to find”.

Viking_Hippie ,

Yeah, as a non-native speaker, I’ve always considered that really weird too. Same with “well done”, which is apparently worse than murder if you’re enthusiastic about steaks 😄

Rusty ,
Kiosade ,

Haha this is amazing

hungryphrog ,
Jentu ,

Blue or Blue-Rare are the steps above rare afaik (at least in the US, not sure about England). Any restaurant that asks “what does that mean” isn’t a restaurant I’d trust to serve me meat that is cool in the middle.

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