he struck his last name from his birth certificate, but still left it (or some form of it) written in his letter to the Bishop of Rome at the top in the “from” line.
dumbass.
edit: also, i can’t exactly determine what this person is hoping to accomplish here (other than to obtain the signature of the Bishop of Rome). What does he believe that his signature will prove, exactly? That he is, in fact, alive? And how will this be achieved, precisely? also, in what way will it establish him as “a foreign entity” and/or “not a Government citizen”?
A lot of sovcits believe that they are secretly owners of massive amounts of land and gold for one reason or another(reparations, obscure and outdated contracts with Native American tribes, schizophrenia, etc)
They believe that being a citizen of their country means that their parents accidentally waved their right to these resources when they were born, and if they simply separate themselves from citizenship, then the government will be forced to give them the land and money.
There’s a dangerous closeness of this to what’s written in constitutional laws of many states, though, if they are understood literally.
I’ve been called a sovereign citizen for pointing out that after a stolen election a government is illegitimate, and that a law adopted in violation of constitutional law is not a law, and that being party to a contract requires consent, and so on. And that rights are not given by laws. Nobody can give you a right or take it away from you.
By “dangerous” I mean that you should explain to sovcits, reichsbuergers, citizens of USSR and such that what they believe in is not supported by existing mechanisms. Simply that. Their ideas are usually not any worse than what we have in really functioning laws, but they don’t have the power to make them real.
Would you be a sovcit for arguing for equal rights in the 50’s? Just trying an American example. Many people would consider you just as crazy.
In USSR of 60’s and 70’s dissidents were forcibly put into asylums, because “the society” (as in people having power in it) wanted them to be considered crazy. Where are the smug bastards who were doing that now? Oh, shit, they are still the elites in ex-Soviet states. By the way, Estonia’s former PM Kaja Kallas, who likes to publicly lament over USSR taking over Baltics, is from such a family.
You shouldn’t argue with the ethical part, because that’d be arguing in favor of “might makes right”.
I think people who consider something morally right and are ready to oppose the whole world over it deserve utmost respect.
If you are finding yourself on the opposite side of someone much weaker than you and not threatening you, think again if you should be there.
I hope this wasn’t too much text, at least better comprehensible that what’s on the photo.
Proponents for equal rights in the 50s didn’t do arcane legal rituals like putting stamps at a 45 degree angle and signing shit in blood.
Sovcit ideas have no basis in reality. They aren’t arguing that black people are in fact people, they are arguing that they deserve vast sums of money or to be debt free because of made up fairytales about old law books and contracts between companies and the government.
Sovcit ideas have no basis in reality. They aren’t arguing that black people are in fact people, they are arguing that they deserve vast sums of money or to be debt free because of made up fairytales about old law books and contracts between companies and the government.
OK, didn’t know this part.
I also haven’t really met a reichsbuerger or a “citizen of USSR”, so can’t speak about them either.
It still seems that there are some for whom it’s about justice and not about magic.
Most sovcits have issues with not paying child support. They want to not pay, which is how they get started down this rabbit hole and how they end up with so much debt. They think child support or whatever debt they have is an unfair burden, and try to seek justice for themselves by getting the debt erased.
Except unlike a normal person who would work overtime to pay or file for bankruptcy, they start citing law books from the 1850s and start referring to themselves as the person John Doe not the legal entity John Doe, and that the person John Doe doesn’t have any debts for whatever bullshit reason they can think of. That’s why they sign stuff in red, because they think black ink is only for corporations, and red ink is for people.
They think they’re seeking justice for themselves, except they want all of the benefits of being a citizen without any of the responsibility like paying taxes or debts.
They’re actually is a archive in the Vatican, but it’s full of all of their dirty laundry and all of the dirt that they’ve scraped together on world leaders for like 1,500 years. As I understand it there’s actually stuff that could start wars down there.
Wonder who’s keeping track with all the new ones coming in every few seconds and all the people dying every few seconds. Must be one busy post office in there.
Me too. I just got some pens at work I actually like and I am hoarding them all for myself. I put them in my work bag so they’re just mine. They improve my handwriting but not much.
My handwriting has been terrible my whole life, even when I used to write in notebooks all the time. It doesn’t help that I’m left-handed and our alphabet is designed for right-handed people.
in general, things do exist out of the U.S, its just people in the U.S do it more publicly. Its like racism, and how some people think U.S is the most racist due to media and social media, its actually very far from that on the general scale of things when compared to other countries.
In Australia I knew I guy who was a SovCit and he would do stupid things like quote the bill of rights. We’d say “what bill of rights?” Australia doesn’t have one. All his info came from the US and he just followed it with realising none of it was relevant in a different country.
True. But things like the UCC are real laws. Sovcits just hilariously misinterpret them. There is no such law in other countries. Plus sovcit stuff is based on common law. It makes even less sense in civil law jurisdictions.
Fortunately I haven’t bothered keeping up with him for many years, but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he was doing that. And protesting vaccinations too probably.
There is a similar movement to SovCits that is at least properly adapted to other countries (specifically the Commonwealth and Ireland’s) laws called “Freeman on the Land.”
that would of course be count Binface, who is a space alien and thus obviously is only subject to any human law in so far as that he chooses to go along with it.
It seems no one made the people of Cyprus aware that they’re on the hook for the outstanding debts of every idiot in the world lol imagine their surprise 😂
Let me make sure I follow what happened here… He got a bunch of paperwork he presumably needed to sign in several places? Instead of doing that he put a postage stamp (?) on top of the pile and “signed across” it?
I’m still trying to wrap my head around this apparent notion that signing a stamp is supposed to have some official function lol I’m assuming it’s something he dreamt after a particularly large meal
A 2014 survey asked US law enforcement officials to rank terrorist threats to the United States. They ranked sovereign citizens as the highest threat — with Islamic extremists coming in second.
Jeez
I can’t imagine a country that ranks it’s own citizens as the highest terrorist threat
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