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Darkassassin07 , to memes in Gambling is addictive
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sports Gambling shouldn’t be advertised on tv

FTFY

RQG ,
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Hey we have a law for that in our country. There are some exceptions but those have to be individually permitted.

That being said fantasy sports bets and some other gambling games try to dodge the classification as a gambling game.

wreckedcarzz ,
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everything shouldn’t be advertised*

ftfy

flerp ,

There should be one specific place where advertisements are allowed and contained. If you need X, go to the X page on the one place for advertising and check out your options. No more shoving things people don’t need down their throats. Make people seek out the things they need rather than be convinced they need what they don’t.

jawa21 ,
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That’s the yellow pages

starman2112 ,
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I’m okay with advertisements in things like television. Ad supported media is one thing, ad supported real estate needs to burn to the ground

Darkassassin07 ,
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I actually don’t (well, didn’t) mind advertising, to an extent.

I liked seeing what new products or services are out there, or deals I may have not known about otherwise; but advertisers have taken it so far that you can’t have a reasonable amount anymore. You either block it all or get bombarded relentlessly.

I wouldn’t even use an ad blocker if the ads weren’t disrupting the content I’m actually here to see. YouTube for example was fine when it just had banner ads around the video player; as soon as they started forcing you to watch video ads to be able to watch the actual video you came there for is when it became a problem to me.

Gave em an inch and they took a mile. Now they get nothing.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah I don’t mind phone website ads that are just in the middle of content, but no you’re playing video ads which fuck with my hearing aids while taking up a third of my screen in scrolling. Fuck you no

AtHeartEngineer ,
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You are my people

Technus , to memes in ts moment

My friends and I still use TS3. The audio quality and voice activation is better than Discord’s, and the desktop app doesn’t take ten fucking gigabytes of RAM to run.

Traister101 ,

Nah bro that’s just the memory leaks, your supposed to force close and reopen it every so often so the OS cleans up after their shitty application

starman ,
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Memory is cheap nowadays, so that’s a feature /s

Hexarei ,
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I bought the whole RAM, I’m gonna use the whole RAM

sub_ubi ,

Good to hear ts3 is still rockin.

If you use discord, access with a web browser. No need to ever download discord the app

Diplomjodler , to memes in Economic Theory is Fun tho.

It’s not enough to not understand economics, you also need to lack empathy and self-reflection.

killeronthecorner ,
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Phew, thank god I understand economics

jhulten ,

I thought that was well covered by “incel”.

DeepGradientAscent ,
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Involuntary celibacy covers that?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Yes?

AstridWipenaugh ,

Don’t sell them short; incel lifestyle is about so much more than (no) sex. I’d challenge you to find any incel posts that exhibit empathy or even a reasonable understanding of human interaction.

starman2112 ,
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Incel as a term describes something much more specific than “virgin (but they don’t want to be).” That may be the literal meaning of the words, but like, we all know that the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea is not democratic, people’s, or a republic.

Incel, the way it’s typically used, describes a particular type of person who’s embittered by their long-lasting virginity, and because of that, views most or all members of the opposite sex as lesser than them, believing that they’re in some way owed sex, and have been denied that ‘right.’

Siegfried ,

Why everybody has to be so concerned with who does and who does not get laid and the reasons why?

pozbo ,
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Well sometimes the ones that can’t get laid bring guns to school.

OmnipotentEntity ,
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The word “incel” colloquially covers quite a bit more territory than its acronym expansion implies, much like MAGA means quite a bit more than just a collective of individuals who want to see America succeed. But of course you know this, so why exactly are you asking?

DeepGradientAscent ,
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But of course you know this, so why exactly are you asking?

No. I don’t. That’s why I’m asking.

I thought incel was an abbreviation for an involuntary celibate person, male or female, who genuinely can’t have sex for a plethora of potential reasons. Since the word “involuntary” is part of the abbreviation, to me, that means the person who’s celibate can’t help it.

For what it’s worth, I’m on the spectrum, and one aspect of my neuropathy is that I over-emphasize strict definitions of words etymologically and need to have strict meaning in communication. I perceive people using fluid or inaccurate definitions for words as a vehicle for hostile manipulation and malicious intent.

I am in therapy for this, but I’m skeptical CBT or drugs can rectify how I interpret linguistic nuance.

voidMainVoid ,

Of course! If you aren’t getting laid, it’s clearly because you’re a terrible person.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

But if you are getting laid that means at least one other person can stand you.

HelixDab2 , to memes in Communist Filth/Capitalist Filth

This is fundamentally false.

While it is true that there was inexpensive housing available in the USSR, and that rents were quite reasonable compared to anything that currently exists in the US, and people couldn’t readily be evicted if they lacked the ability to pay, it’s a flat-out lie to say that that was the “solution” to homelessness, or that it eliminated the problem. Rather, the USSR criminalized being homeless and not being engaged in socially-productive labor; people that were homeless ended up in prisons and were labelled as parasites. The problem that we have now is that the official records simply didn’t record the problem, in much the same way that Stalin had histories and photos revised to eliminate people that had become enemies of the state.

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  • cricket98 ,

    How many homeless people in the USA do you think can work but refuse to? Hint: a lot of them.

    Glytch ,

    Oh yeah, it’s super easy to get a job that pays enough to afford rent and food when you don’t already have a permanent address. /s

    TheScaryDoor ,

    Rather, the USSR criminalized being homeless and not being engaged in socially-productive labor; people that were homeless ended up in prisons and were labelled as parasites.

    Swap USSR with USA and the statement remains true. Though Im sure the degree of severity was much greater in the USSR.

    rchive , (edited )

    That’s kind of true in some parts of the US, indirectly. Some places criminalize not being homeless but all the things that are the result of being homeless like sleeping outside or in public places. But there are a lot of places in the US that do provide for the homeless. New York City has a right to housing provision, for example.

    galloog1 ,

    That’s the problem with generalizing the United States. Every state has a different approach to the problem.

    tryptaminev ,

    And it fucking shouldnt be the case. Ensuring basic humanity and human dignity should be a key matter of the federal government and not delegated to the whimps of states opinions on waht constitutes human rights.

    intensely_human ,

    Well, shelter is not a human right that our government recognizes.

    rchive ,

    If we set a national policy today and didn’t allow local governments to set their own policies, I’m pretty sure we’d have a national policy of no help for the homeless at all. Be happy the places that do have support are allowed to because of states’ rights.

    intensely_human ,

    If homeless people go to prison in this country, why have I never seen one arrested? Why are they … not in prison but rather sleeping on the street?

    I’m not sure what you’re trying to claim here, as what you’re claiming is obviously false based on my day to day experience in the US

    lolcatnip ,

    You have a very simplistic view of what it means for something to be criminalized.

    abbotsbury ,
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    If homeless people go to prison in this country, why have I never seen one arrested?

    this is selection bias, obviously

    c0mbatbag3l ,
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    Sure are a lot of homeless people not in prison for what you’re claiming.

    lolcatnip ,

    Prison would be a step up for a lot of them. They receive other punishments, like having all their belongings confiscated wherever a cop or some bureaucrat decides they’re getting in the way too much.

    Mango ,

    I was homeless and police literally made up a reason to put me in jail and label me as a felon to make me be cheap labor when I plead guilty just to get out. No fair and speedy trial during COVID. I live in the US.

    What the law tells you it’s doing and what they’re actually doing are very different. Don’t try to tell me different because I’m a first hand example. If you’re interested in the full story, let me know and I can do a Discord call or something.

    ipacialsection , to linux in Today GNU/Linux is 32 years old
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    Well, Linux is 32 years old; GNU goes back to 1984, and Unix all the way back to 1970! The history of this OS is much older than Linus Torvalds’s involvement; he “only” created and maintains the most popular kernel.

    But yes, happy birthday to Linux. Many thousands have contributed to making this operating system what it is today and they all have my utmost thanks for it.

    lars ,

    It is a happy coincidence that the evening before the 1970s began, at 4pm Pacific, they decided to invent UNIX.

    lord_ryvan ,

    How so?

    floofloof ,

    I think it’s a joke about how UNIX timestamps work. They count milliseconds from January 1st 1970, 00:00:00 UTC, which is 4pm the day before in PST. So the happy coincidence is that they invented UNIX at the very millisecond when its clock starts.

    There, ruined the joke.

    lord_ryvan ,

    Oh right, the UNIX epoch actually starts when UNIX was invented

    Somehow, I didn’t expect that…

    TrustingZebra ,

    The world didn’t exist before 1970.

    polskilumalo ,
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    JokeDeity ,

    My brain gets numb when I start thinking about all the branches that have come from Unix… and the branches from those branches and so on.

    RandomVideos ,

    Are you sure unix will be created in the year 3.843063914 E+5636(1970!)

    How would anything even survive 3.843063914 E+5636 years after the end of the universe to make unix

    Deebster ,
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    They misspoke: Hurd will be usable in year 1970!

    hoodatninja , to memes in Why must we be done this way?
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    I mean it kind of needs to be both. But it’s hard to find a compelling reason why kids need their smartphones fully accessible during class.

    Mudface ,

    Schools should just be one huge faraday cage. Kids have to learn to focus and pay attention.

    And they need to learn the curriculum

    hoodatninja ,
    @hoodatninja@kbin.social avatar

    I mean I’m not that extreme lmao that’s also a safety issue. Kids will be kids, they will not sit quietly all school day and be total lesson sponges lol

    Mudface ,

    Of course not, but I think we should at least act as if they should.

    Knowing it’s not possible, though.

    My kids are in 5th, 3rd and 1st grade. I wouldn’t want them on their phones during class as they grow up.

    hoodatninja ,
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    Like I said prior, I don’t think kids should be on their phones either.

    FlexibleToast ,

    How much of a safety issue would it really be? Cell phones didn’t really become a thing for my age range until high school. If there was an emergency, there was a landline in the classrooms.

    justhach ,
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    Right? Somehow schools survived until at least the 2010s without every kid having a cellphone in them at all times.

    someguy3 ,

    No kidding. Not to sound like an old fogey but we did really well without them for both “emergencies” and “fact checking”. I can only see them primarily as a distraction.

    FlexibleToast ,

    Yeah, it would suck for the staff, but I don’t think it would be that much more unsafe. I don’t think it’s a good idea, but I don’t think it’s particularly unsafe.

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    someguy3 ,

    Those were tools. Smart phones are a distraction for social media 99% of the time.

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    someguy3 ,

    I already did unpack it: “Smart phones are a distraction for social media 99% of the time.”

    Nor did I say the word “just”. You’re both ignoring what I did say and inserting your own words. They can be distractions with you know social media. But also back in my day they taught us Word, Excel, programming. You had a class with that. You didn’t need it in your pocket 24/7.

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    someguy3 ,

    Yes you can find a way to goof off in any class instead of doing your work. Isn’t that the whole point of this discussion? To remove ways to goof off, you know, smartphones. Ban them in class. And just like you can catch people playing video games in computer class, you can catch people using their phone in class. Just because some people will break rules doesn’t mean we throw our hands up and say ok then no rules.

    You’re really comparing this to teaching abstinence? Wow. And then you rage against something as basic as rules, blaming rules for what seems like everything you think is bad. Ok then. Cheers.

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    kmkz_ninja ,

    Ban pocket calculators because the abacus exists. Lazy kids aren’t learning how to do arithmetic because of them.

    hoodatninja ,
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    I don’t think y’all realize that not a single staff member or administrator or any employee of the school would be able to use a phone either (other than landlines I guess?). Schools aren’t just full of students lol

    FlexibleToast ,

    other than landlines I guess?

    You mean that thing I specifically mentioned? Yes, I realize that. Would it be inconvenient? Yes, it absolutely would. Would it suck to work in that environment? Again, yes it would. If I’m just thinking about safety, I’m not sure it’s that much more unsafe.

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    FlexibleToast ,

    It’s incredibly unsafe when you live in a society built around smartphones/tablets for health and safety tools to remove said smartphones.

    But is it? Landlines can make the same emergency calls. A Faraday cage also doesn’t mean you can’t have an internal wifi that reaches outside that the staff can connect to, or even the students can connect through with a proxy controlling their connection.

    I agree it’s impractical. But it doesn’t mean laptops and phones suddenly don’t work. They can still work within the cage and you can poke holes through it with a landline and a proxy to control traffic in and out.

    Ultimately, it’s definitely not worth the engineering and the effort. I just don’t think that safety is the reason it is impractical.

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    FlexibleToast ,

    They’re at the front of every classroom near the teacher. Along with several in the front offices, even the nurse has one. That wasn’t difficult.

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  • FlexibleToast ,

    I’ve done active shooter drills in the military. The first thing you do is cover the window in the door, which is often by the front of the room where the phone is. The beauty of a landline is that it doesn’t move. You can dial out to 911 and they know exactly what building you’re in without you having to even tell them. The teacher doesn’t need to hang out at the front of the room.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    Yes, active shooter drills are exactly the same for the military as they are for schoolchildren and teachers.

    FlexibleToast ,

    What is different? Cover the windows to hide the number of people, hide, and barricade. You’re also very conveniently ignoring the rest of the comment that addressed your concern. Care to try again?

    kmkz_ninja ,

    School shootings weren’t really a thing until after you graduated you dumb fucking boomer.

    Things change, and I’m tired of stupid trogladites inhibiting innovation because it’s different than what they’re used to.

    Get with the times, or move the fuck out of the way.

    FlexibleToast ,

    I’m not a boomer. And I’m in no way advocating the use of a Faraday cage. Maybe read what is actually written instead of what you think was written. Hell I work in tech trying to get people up with the times…

    ridethisbike ,

    No, but the attention span kids have these days seem to be shortening. Phones and the current state of social media intake doesn’t help.

    That said, a faraday cage is absolutely too far, but they don’t need their phones when they should be focusing on the course.

    hoodatninja ,
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    No, but the attention span kids have these days seem to be shortening.

    I hear this a lot but have yet to see evidence/sources from anyone. It’s just “look around you.” I don’t find it particularly compelling. I didn’t exactly sit quietly as a kid myself.

    scrubbles ,
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    Quick google search: …edu.au/decreasing-attention-spans-jennifer-oaten…

    It’s a pretty well known fact that constant tech decreases attention spans, in both children and adults. How many times have we been on Lemmy/Reddit on the browser and picked up our phone to… check Lemmy/Reddit?

    hoodatninja , (edited )
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    That appears to be a quickly referenced theory by one (yes qualified) person on one blog post without a study behind it. I could also argue that kids generally have short attention spans but social media just allows them to indulge in it more, and they will of course prioritize attention to that over other things. That is not the same as “it shortens their attention spans.” We need at least one study here or at least something more substantive than a one-liner linking social media and decreasing ones attention span. I’m not sure if you noticed, but blog is actually focusing on how to reach kids and strategies to get them to pay attention. It has one throw away non-cited line about social media shortening attention spans.

    I should also point out that I also did a cursory Google search before writing the previous comment, and that was the only post I saw as well. The reason you selected it is because there was no other decent hit when you searched I imagine.

    Let me be clear here, the only reason I am sort of arguing about this is because there is a really bad propensity for older people to say something is wrong with younger people. We see it over and over again. I think social media is actually very harmful to kids, but I have yet to see anything that shows it actually diminishes ones attention span. And the reason I really don’t like that claim is because it seems to be just another variation of “kids these days.”

    WtfEvenIsExistence ,

    Schools should just be one huge faraday cage.

    Not a great idea for schools in the US… second amendment issues…

    Sabre363 ,

    learn to focus and pay attention.

    Not all of us have the luxury of that ability

    hoodatninja ,
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    I have very little faith the person you’re responding to even acknowledges the existence of ADHD .

    Jamie ,
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    I’m not them, but while ADHD is a problem, social media and the dopamine quick-hit style that internet content has taken has had a noted effect in reducing attention spans.

    hoodatninja ,
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    Source?

    Jamie ,
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    Take your pick from any any of these

    (Each word is a different link)

    Ataraxia ,

    I mean, I’m doing quite well having gone though school without smart devices and 100% would have never gotten straight As if I had one when I was a kid. And I’m every type of ADHD you can be diagnosed as…

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    wholeofthemoon ,

    Stupid.

    radioactiveradio ,

    Schools should be a battle royale, leave them on an island to battle and the last kid standing gets to go home.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    They do that multiple times a week, it’s called “phys ed”

    macracanthorhynchus ,

    How will this plan affect my real estate taxes?

    radioactiveradio ,

    Not well I imagine, but you’ll get to see an epic battle every exam season.

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  • son_named_bort ,

    The thing about smartphones and the internet in general is that there is a lot of crap out there. Sure kids may read more, but what they read matters. If they’re reading websites that deny the Holocaust or give bogus health advice like bleach curing autism or things like that, that’s not good. Without education, how are they going to know what they read on their phone is garbage?

    original_ish_name ,

    I will learn the curriculum when the curriculum stops being wrong and occasionally straight up propaganda

    sinedpick ,

    Can’t use that to explain Cs in math and physics.

    user224 ,
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    Well, you can quickly search up some information. I don’t remember what it was, but I remember that once in middle school teacher said something I wasn’t quite sure about, but also I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t more sure. So I looked it up, seeing that I was right, I asked if it rather wasn’t meant to be that other thing, he checked too and indeed he was wrong.

    Also, my mind often wanders off. And it may happen that I suddenly can’t remember something. Could just be some word I could look up on my phone in less than a minute. Option B: Keep thinking about it till the rest of the class. I can’t stop thinking about that until I either remember or find it.

    Next, spine. I am currently in high school. Phones are allowed here. Any time. So, I utilized my scanner and digitized one 500 or so page book I couldn’t find on the internet, and then used it as PDF instead of a physical book. It is less likely that I would forget my phone. I wish schools would have options for e-ink tablets instead of having to carry many heavy physical books. That used to be problem mostly in elementary school and middle school. Same goes for note taking.

    Obviously, the last example can be easily solved by modernization.

    Fast talking teachers. I can’t write that fast. I mean, I can, but then I can’t decipher my handwriting, which is already hard anyway. Voice recorder is a quick solution. Obviously, it is easier to look through notes than audio, but IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A REPLACEMENT FOR NOTES, just a help.

    But do take that with a pinch of salt. Especially in elementary school, I used to be one of those weird kids who greatly preferred being liked by the teacher over having friends. So even though I had a phone at the time, I never used it during classes because teachers disliked it.

    But at least during breaks it should be allowed. Otherwise kids will find much more dangerous ways to entertain themselves.

    braxy29 ,

    … yes, my phoneless childhood was super dangerous. it’s amazing i survived a couple of decades without one!

    user224 ,
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    I mean, comparing class with active kids throwing stuff around and ones just sitting and playing on their phones, I’d take the second. Cyber bullying may be hard to detect though, but it’s not like schools care either way.

    abraxas ,

    Yes, life was so dangerous before the telephone. It’s amazing anyone survived decades without them! 991, phaw, we had a bucket of water and a shotgun.

    … in summary. The point should be that the next generation has an advantage over the previous, in all things.

    hoodatninja ,
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    If you want to teach kids how to look up information, you can create spaces for that. They don’t need unrestricted access to their smart phones to accomplish that throughout the day. Hell you can relax your policies as they grow up and show the maturity to handle having a smart phone in the classroom. If schools want to do that, I am all in favor of it. But they would have to start early and build a system, which is a lot to ask of already overworked educators.

    user224 ,
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    I am not talking about unrestricted access either. It depends on age, but they could always just ask the teacher if they’re allowed to look up something. And also I don’t see how disallowing phones during breaks helps education. It’s meant to be a break.

    someguy3 ,

    Option B: Keep thinking about it till the rest of the class. I can’t stop thinking about that until I either remember or find it.

    Option C: Write it down.

    user224 ,
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    It’s not like I am thinking about it to not forget what I wanted to remember. It’s that it will keep bugging me until I remember.

    someguy3 ,

    I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

    Bugging you until you remember? You write it so that you can’t forget and so it stops bugging you.

    Bugging you because you need that info itch scratched right now? Aka instant gratification. Then you have to learn to not need instant gratification. Seriously, it’s another skill.

    kmkz_ninja ,

    Another skill is not caring if someone has a solution other than yours. It’d take half the time to write it down as it would just to look up the answer.

    someguy3 ,

    half the time to write it down

    You’re making my argument for me. Although I’d say much less than half, you already have pen and paper on your desk.

    Juno ,

    All this is spoken like an entitled bratty immature kid. (No offense, it’s just your age and you’ll grow out of it)

    There’s a reason why you can get a ticket or be charged with distracted driving while you’re on your phone and behind the wheel of a car. IT IS A DISTRACTION. FULL STOP.

    Stop lying to yourself and to us in the process.

    user224 , (edited )
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    1. Using phone while driving is much bigger issue.
    2. This phone issue has never affected me personally. I am defending OP and others.
    3. I am not talking about using the phone all the time for some stupid thing. It gives you access to a lot of information when needed.

    Also if you trust kids with making life changing decisions, this is unfair.

    Also sorry if I sounded as you described. I only started carrying the phone with me since I was 15. I was too worried about breaking it (it’s not cheap thing). That makes finding positive points (that would apply to younger kids) a bit harder.

    Edit: Also, don’t be worried, I would almost never voice my opinions in real life.

    Juno ,

    Spoken like an introverted someone who HAS ALREADY been affected socially in a negative way by their cell phone use.

    The entitled and bratty part of your comments = when people tell me not to use my phone I simply DONT use it or bring it. What’s the problem exactly? You want access to an encyclopedic knowledge in class? You don’t have a laptop or computer in the room you can use ?

    Maybe you use your phone only for the most strictly academic things, but most people don’t.

    Finally, I don’t trust kids to make life changing decisions. See all the high schoolers who got suckered into a worthless degree from the University of Phoenix. It’s very fair to take the reigns from people who can’t control themselves and their impulses.

    user224 , (edited )
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    Spoken like an introverted someone who HAS ALREADY been affected socially in a negative way by their cell phone use.

    Can’t disagree with this. I got a tablet when I was 8. With unrestricted access. On the positive note, it did help me learn quite a lot of stuff. Like English.

    The entitled and bratty part of your comments = when people tell me not to use my phone I simply DONT use it or bring it. What’s the problem exactly? You want access to an encyclopedic knowledge in class? You don’t have a laptop or computer in the room you can use ?

    No problem, really. If someone wanted to search up something during class, teachers could just allow it, and generally they did. Except when I was in grade 9 and the school decided to prohibit even just having them at school, as if it were grenades. Some teacher would always just collect all into a bucket and return at the end of the day.
    When we had free substituted classes, sometimes they would tell us something like “Sorry, I’d allow you phones now, but if I did I could have problems from it.” So clearly they would punish teachers for that. That’s just crazy.
    And computers aren’t in every class. Even if they are, they might not always work. Now we use our phones even to do exams sometimes. But, yeah, school isn’t even mandatory for me anymore, so it’s already different.

    Finally, I don’t trust kids to make life changing decisions. See all the high schoolers who got suckered into a worthless degree from the University of Phoenix. It’s very fair to take the reigns from people who can’t control themselves and their impulses.

    I wasn’t even talking about such late decisions. For example, when I was 10 I was given the decision between going into class A or class B since I had good enough results for A. A was class for a little more talented kids. They even had some additional subjects. Well, my dad discouraged me from going to class A. He told me “There won’t be any normal kids. I’d choose B if I were you.” So I did. I regret. I could have gotten to a better school later on.
    Some explanation of those classes:
    A - Talented
    C and D - sport classes (basketball and hockey respectively)
    B - everything else

    Next, when I was 14, I told my psychologist about my living conditions. Including photos of how our home looks like. She told me that she could call social services. Then asked me if I agreed. I was scared, so I said no. I regret, once again.

    And something that’s there always, choosing high school when you’re 15.
    I am not sure how it works across different school systems. In Slovakia, they are focused just on 1 particular field of study determining where you’ll be for the rest of your life. 3 year fields are without graduation (e.g.: various mechanics and plumbers). 4 year and 5 year fields are with graduation, meaning you can go to college/university.
    I’ve had a few classmates who only chose particular field because their friends were going there too, even though they weren’t interested in it.


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    Oof, sorry. I got too much off topic.

    abraxas ,

    Well, by their teenage years, why not all the reasons adults need smartphones fully accessible? Looking up information from authoritative sources? Emergency contact? Coordinating schedules for office hours?

    Schools often simultaneously demand more from children than workplaces do adults, and give them less opportunity to excel.

    I’m not saying work-inappropriate phone use should be accepted, but taking them away entirely is downright irresponsible. Just like schools who still demand students write on a notebook instead of using a laptop. Raise your hand if you had RSI-related issues for a decade or more after high school? We old people tend to forget how bad school used to be (and can be) for physical and mental health AND for learning.

    1984 , to memes in Restricted Topics
    @1984@lemmy.today avatar

    Stop spying on your kid… Jesus.

    Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

    Kids need access to the internet at a super young age these days for school. If you don’t have some sort of filter in place when they are in single digits or tweens you are just negligent. The internet has some dark corners.

    BudgetBandit ,

    thinking about my p history and that one video

    Wasn’t quite different back then, it is easier now, and full of advertisements and stuff that make the happy chemicals go brrrr

    cynetri ,
    @cynetri@midwest.social avatar

    I don’t mind just filters, but reporting it to the parent doesn’t sit right with me. It probably depends on the parent though

    fluffery ,
    @fluffery@lemmy.ml avatar

    Its to make sure the kid isnt searching those topics

    name_NULL111653 ,

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  • fluffery , (edited )
    @fluffery@lemmy.ml avatar

    thats not the kid, thats the parent, how do I know? My parents used filter Software when i was younger. And if i was myself, i wouldnt want any of my kids to have raw unfiltered access to the Internet and thats coming me; a teenager. A teen can very easily develop a porn addiction, sorry if I’m a religous zealot and I’m a horrible being for going to church. but I also check your post history and I think you need a therapist or something. Your not ok in the head

    kautau ,

    Yeah can you imagine a world where crabs could read?

    sounddrill ,

    Harder the surveillance, harder the kid works to bypass them

    Kids are smart, good on OOP to teach their kids to use a VPN, about dual booting, and more

    candybrie ,

    If the kid is old enough to purposely bypass the security, they’re probably around the right age to find some of the stuff on the other side. But you don’t want them accidentally stumbling into it because they searched something seemingly innocent.

    MajickmanW ,

    This brought a memory rushing back of me and a family friend in the mid 90s using the family computer to find funny websites.

    Us: “Let’s search butt.com!”

    My godfather: “NOOOOO!!!”

    Misconduct ,

    I just wanted to look up blueberry waffles but I was derping hard and couldn’t remember the word for blueberries… I was an adult at that point but just imagine a kid doing that on accident iykyk 💀

    sounddrill ,

    😭

    Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

    If the kids old enough to figure out VPNs, dual booting, and all the other pretty simple workarounds then it is what it is. You can’t control everything. I am talking about the little guys. And this dudes kid is googling how to teach crabs to talk. If someone is searching that they probably aren’t ready to get completely unrestricted access because they are probably pretty young. Like I said, single digits or tweens.

    sounddrill ,

    It is what it is

    If the parents still try to restrict, which most unreasonably will, then the kid will simply grow better at this

    This leads to the kid growing up with confiding in random people more than their family(this might lead to said friends being a bad influence on them, since they didn’t learn how to differentiate good and bad people)

    That or a general sense of distrust and surveillance

    ParsnipWitch ,

    Parents can literally get sued by the state for letting their children watch inappropriate stuff (at least where I live). You are obligated as a parent to restrict the access of your children to inappropriate media.

    name_NULL111653 ,

    There’s a HUGE difference between restrictions via blockers and surveillance. I can assure you that no one here is arguing in favour of letting kids watch porn…

    EatMyDick ,

    So many privacy zealots here with absolutely zero clue what it means to raise a kid.

    mashbooq ,

    Bold of you to assume us privacy zealots aren’t successfully raising kids

    agressivelyPassive ,

    And the proper way is to teach your kids about it and stop treating kids like super fragile glass beings.

    Your city probably has some dark corners too, but you don’t set up geofenced tracking beacons to be alarmed if they stumble slightly off the path you intended them to go.

    Children should feel comfortable enough to talk to you about bad stuff they encounter, not feel frightened, that they broke a rule.

    Rukmer ,

    If you use these trackers and barge in “hey I saw what you did on the internet, you’re in trouble.” then you’re doing it wrong. Kids need guidance. If you were negligent enough to let your kid roam the city without supervision, you SHOULD have a tracker on them. We’re talking about little kids not 16+. Many young kids get themselves killed or groomed or into some kind of cult online. When that happens to young kids, parents are negligent. When 12 year olds get addicted to porn, negligence. You can guide your children without being an asshole. I know a lot of us grew up either completely neglected or completely terrified to make a mistake, but there is an in-between.

    agressivelyPassive ,

    When I look outside, there are 5 year olds playing without supervision. They get along just fine.

    Not every country is a paranoid dystopia.

    Misconduct ,

    Not every state in the US is the same so your comment is mostly based on smug ignorance anyway. It’s not paranoia if you live in a city with a lot of crime etc. You just wanted to try and feel superior. Giving me reddit vibes tbh.

    name_NULL111653 , (edited )

    By the time I was 17, at least on my windows PC, every search I made was reported. Every setting I touched was reported. Every app I use, and how long, reported. Every startup and shutdown reported. Games with chat features were banned. Online games were banned. Every week on Sunday, an email with all this went to my parents, and my dad would forward it to me as a kind of intimidation that “we know all”…

    And yes, they used geofenced tracking too.

    But I’m a geek, so my Linux laptop and phone were no longer bugged (my only access to other people at the time) by the time I figured it out (around age 16).

    Still had to turn the tracker on so they wouldn’t ask why the location pings stopped though.

    This kind of obsessive control ought to be illegal. I propose privacy rights at age 16, enforceable by fines, with a safe hotline for those with obsessive parents. They were emotionally abusive, control by external restrictions is often only part of the story in cases like mine.

    I’m all for safety filters, but parental controls that can be classified as spyware have no place in a parent-child relationship after the age of 16…

    ParsnipWitch ,

    The thing is, parents can get sued for not restricting access of their children to inappropriate media. When you think just talking to your children “the right way” and they will suddenly act wise and smart and good all the time you are incredibly naive.

    StoicImpala ,
    @StoicImpala@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s possible to block without spying on though.

    Solaris1789 ,
    @Solaris1789@jlai.lu avatar

    Even worse using kaspersky…

    President ,

    How?

    name_NULL111653 ,

    Invasive reports of literally everything. Making it way too easy to control your child to the point of psychical damage, and with some parents a tool for abuse.

    emergencyfood ,

    Kaspersky is part of Big C and actively tries to suppress knowledge of Rust.

    vegai ,

    I’d like to go against the stream and say that if you let your kids use the internet, spy the fuck out of everything they do in there. At least until they’re something like 16yrs old.

    Better yet, don’t let them use the internet.

    Llewellyn , (edited )
    @Llewellyn@lemmy.ml avatar

    Better yet, don’t let them use the internet.

    Good luck with that. And also spying is the best way to lose your kid’s trust.

    vegai ,

    And also spying is the best way to lose your kid’s trust.

    Well of course tell them that you’re gonna do it. I guess “spying” isn’t the best word then?

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    monitor*

    name_NULL111653 ,

    ‘Monitoring’ if anything is worse. After puberty a human needs some degree of privacy and autonomy. By all means use blockers, but reading their every google search, and especially making them aware of that, is only hurtful.

    Misconduct ,

    Not giving your kids access to the internet at all is insane. You’re setting them up for failure by not actively teaching them how to navigate the Internet and what bs to look out for. Anyone that does this is just trying to indoctrinate their kid and prevent them from being exposed to any other ideas. The ego on parents that think they know enough to entirely prepare their kids for the world is ridiculous. Especially these days. You’re just setting them up to be behind when they’re older and they’ll resent you while they struggle to catch up.

    vegai ,

    Anyone that does this is just trying to indoctrinate their kid and prevent them from being exposed to any other ideas.

    Books, magazines and libraries still exist, though.

    Nevertheless, I won’t probably be as radical as to completely ban Internet from my two younger kids. But the idea is interesting after seeing via my older kids what an unrestricted access led to.

    I’m curious of this as a thought experiment: what do you think the children will miss if they don’t access the Internet before the age of 16? What did the hundreds of generations of children before the invention and spread of Internet lack?

    Zabjam ,

    The thing is, the internet does exist now. And it is part of the world kids grow up in. So the question is not what someone thinks what the children will miss. They will not miss anything because they will have friends who will show them what the internet is. The question is: who do you want your kids to learn from what the internet is and can do?

    From you or from their peers

    vegai ,

    The thing is, the internet does exist now. And it is part of the world kids grow up in.

    I wouldn’t be so defeatist. Things can be changed if enough people want to change them. Children have been and are being protected from various things right now. There’s no reason why new things couldn’t be added to that.

    archomrade ,

    I’m reminiscing the days in school where we’d use proxy sites to get around the school blocklist/monitoring to play dolphin olympics

    snowbell ,
    @snowbell@beehaw.org avatar

    I remember busting out an ssh tunnel and blowing everyone’s mind

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Reduce it gradually to 0 until 16.
    Spare them the embarassement with their peers.

    vegai ,

    Gives them a good reason to hang around with friends, if they can get to the internet via them, right? :)

    name_NULL111653 ,

    My parents used this as part of their obsessive-control emotional / psychological abuse. Mostly to try to indoctrinate me into their cult, and their extremist right-wing ideology. There is a place for filters, and even search reports - but search reports ought to end around 14 years, and by 16 there needs to be some form of legal recognition of privacy rights as a human being for cases of isolating abuse as a part of indoctrination. P*rn blockers etc on the router are fine though, the network legally belongs to the parents. But human being, at least after puberty, requires privacy for proper psychological development. Complete surveillance after that time is psychologically and emotionally harmful to both the child and the relationship.

    TheAnonymouseJoker , (edited )
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    I disagree, do not let them use internet as they wish. The age of 12 is so vulnerable for porn addiction, video game addiction, gambling gacha addiction, meme consooming addiction and all the psychological damage that slot machine style colours and visuals can do permanently to a kid’s brain early on. The kid struggles until they are 30, due to this.

    Edit: let me just say, hand them over a book called “Irresistible” by Adam Alter. It is not difficult to understand, easy to read.

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Teach them the old ways of flash games (or html5 nowadays) and they will have no time for drugs.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Love the Flashpoint project, I am going to buy a 4 TB HDD for that 1.6 TB pack.

    ToyDork , (edited )
    @ToyDork@lemmy.zip avatar

    Warning: Wall-o-Text incoming, please bear with me as I have a few points to make.

    Maybe with modern phone games and social media, you might think so, but let me tell you this. At age 10 I played video games in my spare time, but had no other hobbies.

    My parents didn’t willingly take away video games from me. The fucking government did.

    “Sure, he has Asperger’s and no friends and no other hobbies, and has an anger issue. Take away video games because the fucking director of ‘Children and Families’ in [home town redacted] got his job by reading shit from that BS doctor who wrote that book in the 70s, and thinks video games like Kirby Super Star or Diddy Kong Racing are basically Mortal Kombat or Doom 64 or said director will have him forcibly removed from your home.”

    (Please note I learned to swear when I was in high school, the above angry cursing is entirely because I was not informed of any of the meddling done by people who had never even met me and never would, until 15 years later, not because I was one of those screeching spoiled brats on multi-player servers.)

    “Oh, he took that poorly and gets upset because you can’t tell him the real reason he can’t play video games? We’re taking him away and putting him in a foster home.”

    Yeah, I have issues, but taking away a kid’s biggest hobby does not take away addiction, it creates escapism addicts who will do anything to avoid reality because they were forced to deal with reality 24/7 during their childhood.

    Maybe look up “Hikikomori” and the reasons they refuse to talk to parents or even leave their rooms because they were denied a balance between work and downtime; given the choice but not the option for balance, all humans choose the latter as their imbalance.

    I know how this works because that’s my life. I am only an addict to video games because I was unfairly starved of them for 2 years at ages 11-13 and it didn’t even make my anger issues go away during that time. I know because it wasn’t just video games, it was TV and even having friends.

    I had no friends for my entire childhood because I was taught 1-1 by a teacher’s aide in Elementary school just because of government interference with my entire life. The Ministry of Children and Families in BC, Canada was apparently corrupt from the top and leaking down in the period when I was 11-13, and while it wasn’t personal to them that they interfered with hundreds of already-damaged childhoods, it ended mine just before my 11th birthday.

    I spent half of high school watching shows from the early 00s just after they went off the air (anyone remember tvlinks.cc?) because I had to play catchup with people 2 years ahead of me pop-culturally. I never made any friends because my peers viewed me as “the outcast who literally was made so by real adults” and decided that meant I should be completely alone for all of high school.

    Compound that with my dislike of mid-00s gangsta rap and you have a recipe for someone who is too petrified of everyone to make friends. You know why I live with my parents? Because I don’t like being completely alone all the time and I don’t like being alone in public. At least my parents apologized and admitted they’d f-ed up all those years ago, and are and were otherwise the best parents I could have had.

    I can’t say the same for the BC government who I was forced to be fed by (disability pension) because I can’t handle the stress of a normal job without flipping out at the first sign that a customer or co-worker is being a jerk and I’m not just talking verbally; I have so little patience for people being assholes that I have to actively avoid it.

    Hopefully all that explains why I hate you for being one of those parents. Fuck you, you’re just like the goddamn foster parents who wouldn’t even let me watch TV of have friends, let alone use a computer, and people like you ruined my life without even having a good reason to.

    Give your kid a freaking Switch or, if you want him to actually learn stuff, a Steam Deck and some simulation genre games and maybe a pair of replacement joysticks so you can show them how to replace them if the Steam Deck gets stick drift. Let them know that, even if you get upset about them having made a serious mistake online like being photographed by some creep, you’re worried for them and not wrathful.

    I know that, even though I’d never be able to practice it, because that’s how my parents handled it when they were allowed to. It prevented further damage after they literally had to go to court to have me come back home from being taken away from them and shoved into a household I didn’t want to be in and wasn’t wanted in.

    Do not hold your kids to any standard of perfection, yours or a religious one or even an objective one. The government of my province did exactly that last one and it destroyed the rest of my childhood and damaged me mentally. I’m lucky my parents did get me back home when they did.

    I have a good understanding of the situation, I’m not saying gacha games or commercialized social media are good influences, but you are making a terrible mistake if your kid is being censored from games with minimal microtransactions or told not to use Lemmy. The internet isn’t perfect and your kids won’t be, but what ever is?

    Please just show your kids where you recommend they go. Watching everything your kids do is creepy, but denying them access to computers entirely is draconian and cruel because kids who are forcibly left out of media consumption grow up to be kids who are up to 18 years behind their peers.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Fuck you too for ignoring the millions of young adults, who were once children like you, who are now many years ahead of you in terms of psychological damage that the capitalist slot machine world has done to their brains permanently. Fuck you for being insensitive to the effects on millions of people, just because you love your video games and do not want to be left out in “social teenager discussions”. Fuck you for wanting to become another cog of the rotten capitalist bingbingwahoo machine.

    I can play the rant game the same way you do, since you choose to come up with the most bizarre irrational justifications to cope with the conditions you faced as a kid, where you were confined to this horrible place. The confinement is the problem, NOT confinement from video games. Video game was not the only missing puzzle piece of your childhood, let alone being the most important one.

    If you are thinking that inventing rationalities makes you a rational person, then you are more irrational than the people you call irrational.

    ToyDork ,
    @ToyDork@lemmy.zip avatar
    1. I may not be very mature, but legally I’m 32. I still struggle, but despite not even knowing what porn was until I was 15 and never being supervised online, I don’t have an addiction to porn and basically won’t play any game that has a gambling mechanic as the only means of getting something (even something cosmetic) for my character that I want. 1a. You don’t care about kids, you only care about enforcing your beliefs on them. You act just like someone I once knew, an asshole by the name of Mike Elliot, who was paranoid that I would turn out as a criminal or something because I “lived an unstructured life” and “was too defiant and needed to be disciplined”. Guess what? My life is unstructured but now I know enough about the world to decide for myself who to be defiant towards. I’m not a criminal. Yet as recently as when I was 26 Mike and his bitchy wife were apparently still claiming I was bound to end up in prison. Never been to prison, I had to move a long ways from my hometown to get away from my past. 1b. Being that I’m 32, that I am trying to argue in good faith here, and that I still have no friends 15 years after graduation because I was the only intelligent student at my high school to not get to go to university (see #2), I think you’re the one in the wrong here.
    2. I have no job and am lucky I live in Canada; due to Autism Spectrum Disorder and the damage done to me psychologically, I can’t hold a job. Therefore, I make less than $10,000 USD a year and entirely on government support and support from my parents (money goes a lot further when you can do grocery shopping for a family instead of a retired couple and two independent bachelors).
    3. Video games are not mindless entertainment, nor was I just “not allowed to play video games” and “forcibly confined”. I was, for two years, not even allowed to touch a video game console OR computer for any reason, and was banned from social contact with anyone younger than 18 (despite the fact that I was 11-13 when that rule was forced on me by random government bureaucrats) or any adult who wasn’t my foster parents or a government worker, yes that EXCLUDED MY BIOLOGICAL PARENTS AND MY SIBLING. This was in 2001 to 2003. It took me 6 years to catch up for having missed 2 years of pop-culture, which I had to do entirely online because I was now a pariah for having disappeared from all my classmate’s world for two years. I didn’t even know that I would have liked Y2K aesthetic and similar until it had all been replaced by McBling and Frutiger Aero, which themselves were replaced by newer styles. It’s not just the time or the pop-culture or the aesthetic or even the loss of social contacts, I had a seething hatred of the “gang thug or emo” lifestyle teenagers subscribed to circa 2002-2008. There were no actual teenage conversations I ever wanted to be part of, because I NEVER EVEN GOT TO EXPERIENCE THE PART OF MY LIFE I’M NOSTALGIC FOR. I have no childhood, it was reduced to nothing but school and reading books. I’m a writer and, because I’m a sci-fi writer, I hate the idea of restricting readers to being readers. Kids and even adults need to be allowed to experience the world without assholes like you telling them that Dr. Lipschitz said “oReO cReAm Is BaD f0r KiDs WiTh AuTiSm SpEcTrUm… but a-okay for normal kids, so make sure your autistic child is told they’re not allowed to be normal in every way you possibly can!”.

    It’s not about the fucking oreos, it’s about the fact that I AM NOT PROPERTY OF WHOEVER IS RAISING ME. YOUR KID IS NOT YOUR FUCKING SLAVE, GET IT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEAD AND GET THE OVERBLOWN FEAR OF ADDICTION OUT OF IT BECAUSE THEY DESERVE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY WHAT THEY ENJOY AND NOT WHAT YOU SAY IS OKAY! YOU WARN THEM, AND THEN YOU FUCKING STEP BACK BECAUSE IF THEY WANT TO MAKE A MISTAKE THEN THAT’S A GODDAMN HUMAN RIGHT TO MAKE ONE. INTERVENTIONS EXIST FOR A REASON, YOU CAN’T PRECRIME ADDICTION OUT OF EXISTENCE.

    1. This was never about pro-capitalism or being rational about my life, this was about rational parenting. No, I’m not a parent, but my parents would have raised me a hell of a lot better than you plan to raise your kid, and at least at this point of my life I know how to judge good parenting for myself. My parents were rational, and seeing you not be in such a blatantly arrogant way is the final straw. You want a lemmy posting war, you fucking monster?

    Maybe go read 1984 first. You know, the GEORGE ORWELL book. Then read Neuromancer or watch Blade runner. See how both a capitalist and socialist dystopia don’t look so different? Now watch Escape from L.A. and realize a theocratic dystopia isn’t any different either. Then watch Mad Max and see how even anarchy is dystopian.

    I’m not saying go with the popular choice or even let the child just do whatever. I’m saying check yourself you fucking hypocrite because right now the popular choices are all some form of extremism and I’m the guy saying “a balanced approach is often the best option”. Taking away video games entirely is not balanced, taking away internet is outright censorship, and taking away ANYTHING from an innocent person “for their own protection” or even “for everyone else’s protection” instead of “because you made a mistake” is unjust if it isn’t universally-applied. Punishments prepare kids for “if you commit a crime, there are consequences”. Censorship by parents like you on their own kids teaches them only that they are not the equal of their peers. It’s not your fucking choice to make for your children, it’s only your responsibility to make sure that if it goes wrong, they know why and why they should never do it again, and that does not include manipulative mind games like sabotaging things when they don’t do what you want.

    I’m fucking done talking to you, you clearly don’t want to argue in good faith and there’s a block button for a reason.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    I love how you demonised me in the earlier comment, and now this one, treating me like a “fucking” “monster” “slave” owner or whatever mental image you form in your head, as you continue to passionately rant, doused in your traumatic past, hurt by it and thinking that attacking me is going to do anything about it. Then you even claim I am the one who does not want to argue in good faith within the span of 1 exchange, where you write 2 thesis long comments.

    Your perspective is irrational and purely one sided. You not having been addicted to porn and games does not mean millions of kids have not gotten addicted. You are less important than the millions of other kids for a society, going by a simple logical analysis of the society’s current condition.

    You have claimed how you missed out on “catching up” with pop culture, wanting to live a video gamer childhood and so on, and want to force that onto other kids because your creativity urge desires that. You are the one who is wrong to want other kids’ brains to get rotten, just because of your fictional creative desires. The abuse of human psychology in advertising, gaming, porn and media industry in general is a more important concern than your personal bickering, and I am okay with being rude about it. I will be an asshole to you, since you first chose to be one.

    I have watched Blade Runner, and I know about 1984 pretty well. George Orwell was a fascist who sold out communists to the police, and I do not consider his fearmongering picturisation fully valid, even if it lays out one of the possibilities of a future world. There are many, many wrong claims and assumptions you make to formulate the conclusion, and it is heavily tainted by your traumatic childhood and your anger largely based in FOMO.

    There is not much rationality in your emotionally loaded rant, and I simply do not have the time or inclination to help you and address this. Generally I am known to help people, but I do not have the energy required to help you, and in life I am getting tired of helping people when almost nobody reciprocates with helping/protecting me. I despise one sided transactional relationships, simply put.

    Seek professional therapy and meditation sessions. You need A LOT of healing. A LOT. I cannot emphasise enough.

    smellythief ,

    If there’s a reliable way to only be alerted to specific activity, then the parents aren’t really actively spying, in the sense that the kids still have privacy when they aren’t transgressing into prohibited space. As long as that prohibited space is reasonable (huge debate possible there of course) and the kids know about the restrictions. imo

    ChargedBasisGrand ,

    this post is about a child being blocked then reported to their parents for ‘teaching crabs to read’
    I don’t think you can defend it as a reasonable prohibited space

    smellythief ,

    True. But the comment I was replying to was referencing the monitoring itself, not the outcome.

    Stovetop , to memes in Restricted Topics

    I get the “haha” of this particular search getting reported on…but I think that this sort of surveillance is definitely stepping into creepy territory that will end up doing more harm than good.

    There were definitely web searches I performed about topics back when I was younger that I would never want my parents to know. When you live in an oppressive household where you are taught never to think outside of the box or be anything your parents don’t want you to be, having the internet available is supposed to be a path to liberation.

    If they want to set up filters that block certain results, fine. But tattling is just unethical, especially if the child does not know their search history is being monitored by their parents.

    MasterBlaster ,

    It’s perfect conditioning to accept authoritarian rule, and constant surveillance as normal.

    kameecoding ,

    if only there was a Black mirror episode about the dangers of being an overbearing parent.

    Llewellyn ,
    @Llewellyn@lemmy.ml avatar

    To be honest, Black mirror is not a prophecy. It merely is a speculation.

    kameecoding ,

    it is not a speculation nor a prophecy lol, it’s stories exploring the human condition with technology as the driver of the story

    Llewellyn ,
    @Llewellyn@lemmy.ml avatar

    It could not “explore”. It’s a fiction, it fantasizes.

    yistdaj ,

    Imagines is probably a better word, not all fiction is fantasy.

    Ganbat ,

    Merriam-Webster definition for “explore” 1a:

    to investigate, study, or analyze : look into
    ➡️sometimes used with indirect questions

    This definition makes no distinction between factual and speculative, and in fact invites speculative use with the second point. Additionally, there’s a long history of using the word “explore” in this exact type of situation.

    Anyway, the point is, don’t be such a wet blanket, plz.

    Llewellyn , (edited )
    @Llewellyn@lemmy.ml avatar

    I just don’t think some fiction is reliable source of information.

    And I can’t see in the definition the meaning you are implying. You’re overstretching it.

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/99b35053-1d4a-4bee-b72c-d95d1dd0b0c7.jpeg

    ChargedBasisGrand ,

    it’s unwise to take literary advice from someone that uses words without taking the time to learn their definition

    Llewellyn ,
    @Llewellyn@lemmy.ml avatar

    Are you speaking of yourself? Read definition of “to explore”, please.

    ParsnipWitch ,

    The thing is, parents get incredibly conflicted messages about this. When a child DOES end up looking at something bad parents get all the blame for not supervising and controlling their child and get called abusive. If they supervise and control their child they get called helicopter parents or abusive as well.

    And it’s not only regarding the internet. When parents let their children roam, for example, the neighborhood and something bad happens, the parents get the blame and called abusive for letting their child roam the neighborhood. If they control outdoors time for they child, they are abusive again.

    It literally doesn’t matter what you do as a parent, a lot of people will call you a bad parent or an abuser for it. I believe it is one reason why some people don’t want to have children at all. It’s basically an impossible task.

    xyproto ,

    When a child DOES end up looking at something bad parents get all the blame for not supervising and controlling their child and get called abusive

    Not everywhere. This is typical for the US.

    Haha ,

    haha

    name_NULL111653 ,

    This sort of oppressive situation is my childhood in a nutshell. And you’re right, it’s entirely unethical, and in combination with other factors can be used as a factor in psychological abuse. I know I at least am traumatized from it, and surveillance was definitely one of many signifigant factors.

    OneWomanCreamTeam ,

    People really underestimate the effects constant surveillance has on a kid.

    alvanrahimli ,

    Exactly. Kids grown in high volume of surveillance (e.g. my nieces) end up being more aggressive towards rules, which creates people who think rules are there to be broken.

    AnneBonny , to piracy in "Piracy is a service issue.." (Image is a real story btw, link in post)

    The only platform not yet supported is the Mac Pro, although there probably isn’t much left to do. No, not the “MacBook Pro”, but the “Mac Pro” – the one that looks like a cheese grater and costs thrice as much.

    I’ve always wondered what sort of look they were going for.

    Vent ,

    The Mac Pro only costs three times as much as a cheese grater???

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    Apparently they make it up on the wheels. Apple is a strange company.

    dependencyinjection ,

    I think the wheels and stuff are just for marketing at this point.

    TheFriar ,

    Wait, what wheels?

    UnRelatedBurner ,

    look it up on apple store, if it’s still on there

    rwhitisissle ,

    I just looked at the product page and every single image makes me dislike this product more than the last. The goddamn thing probably weighs 10 pounds and comes with fucking wheels.

    Edit: Apparently it weighs 37 pounds. I don’t know how they crammed that much bullshit into a 18 by 9 by 20 box, but they did and then they slapped wheels on it. The wheels are probably considered a two thousand dollar “value” by Apple, though.

    UnRelatedBurner ,

    bullshit doesn’t end here. There’s a $1k monitor stand, that needs a $200 extension to be vesa compatible, and is no better then some free stands that u get with (dare I say) normal monitors.

    rwhitisissle ,

    Surely you mean it comes with a 1000 dollar monitor, not…just the monitor stand?

    UnRelatedBurner ,

    How do you portay hysterical laughter with a comment?

    insert that here

    sebinspace ,

    Gotta respect a quality use of the word “thrice”

    GrievingWidow420 ,

    Ignoring its existence is spitting in the mouth of pragmatism, and not in a good way

    renzev ,

    What comes after thrice? Quadrice? Tetrice?

    GrievingWidow420 ,

    Whatever you want, man, that’s the trick

    Octopus1348 , (edited )
    @Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

    I remember seeing it and thinking “No, this can’t be real. No way Apple actually did this.”

    https://lemy.lol/pictrs/image/cd0210a3-d1b7-414c-bef8-0f94debfadf6.jpeg

    Edit: I just checked and if you apply all upgrades, the total hardware cost is $12,348. That’s 3.5th the price of the future  Vision Pro

    p03locke ,
    @p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Have fun with your seven thousand dollar cheese grater.

    jopepa ,

    Might’ve been a marketing move to connect to the apple pie with cheese demographic.

    MonkderZweite ,

    Did they just forget to crop the whole thing? It looks even more hideous with the grey background on the black background.

    Octopus1348 ,
    @Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

    My browser is forcing dark mode on it and the picture is not transparent.

    MonkderZweite ,

    That’s what i’m saying. I looked for a CPU cooler lastly and Noctua & co. (all with dark webpage) all neatly cut their product image on transparent. But Apple can’t bother for their overpriced cheesegrater.

    Lucidlethargy ,

    When did they give up on the trash can? I miss the trash can. It was easier to call it overpriced garbage when it looked like an actual garbage receptical.

    hessenjunge , to memes in Know your enemy

    I disagree with tax & rent being lumped together. I have no problem with my (high) tax rate as it supports education, infrastructure, etc. The outrageously inflated rent goes to the same guy that stole 95% of your pizza in the first place.

    Enkers ,

    While I agree in principle, when tax dollars go to corporate tax cuts, handouts to failing financial institutions, and billionaire lunatics selling snake-oil space-based internet “solutions”, its easy to get disillusioned about taxes.

    We absolutely should be taxed to a high degree, but that money needs to be spent on collective benefits, not private corporate interests.

    Fermion ,

    And to blowing up children for being born to the wrong group of people.

    hessenjunge , (edited )

    That’s a different topic though! Don’t conflate collecting funds with usage/distribution of funds. We all need to accept that we have to pay (high) taxes. That the upper 10% haven’t paid their fair share in decades and that there is misuse has nothing to do with my tax rate. We need the upper 10% to pay way way more and we need better accountability for usage of the money. Pretty much regardless of where you live on this planet by the way.

    BingoBangoBongo ,

    Well said!

    captainlezbian ,

    Yeah I think playing into the idea that it’s being taken unjustly though is bad. It’s better to portray it like the rich roommate never paying their portion of any of the bills and leaving you to cover it all.

    lolcatnip ,

    Saying taxes pay for cuts to someone else’s taxes is nonsensical in this context. No money is spent on tax cuts.

    Enkers ,

    You realize someone has to pay for public infrastructure and services, yes? If corporate interests do not pay the taxes that are typically expected of them, then someone else will have to cough up that money, or services will need to be cut.

    lolcatnip ,

    “Paying” for tax cuts makes sense in the context of changing budgets while trying to keep them balanced. But no money is ever spent on tax cuts. It’s spent on the public infrastructure and services you mentioned. If you properly account for the money as being used to pay for public goods, then saying it’s also used to pay for tax cuts would be double counting.

    Enkers ,

    Alice and Bob agree to buy a shared lumber splitter. Alice takes a loan to pay for it, which Bob agrees to pay half of. When payments are due, Bob bails and does not pay, and he uses the lumber splitter anyways. Now Alice has to also pay the share that Bob agreed to pay.

    archomrade ,

    Having to pay more for a shared cost so that someone else can pay less… I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the shorthand “pay for someone else’s tax cuts”.

    archomrade ,

    You are paying more so that someone else can pay less.

    Synthead , (edited ) to linux in SystemD

    It’s mostly opinionated. systemd is written in C, uses a consistent config, is documented well, has a lot of good developers behind it, is very fast and light, and does what it’s doing very well. Since systemd also is split up into multiple parts, it still follows the “do one thing, do it right” philosophy.

    There are some people that believe that systemd “took over” the init systems and configuration demons of their distro, and does “too much.” It really does quite a lot: it can replace GRUB (by choice), handle networking config, all the init stuff of course, and much more.

    However, I have lived through the fragmented and one-off scripts that glued distros together. Some distros used completely custom scripts for init and networking, so you had to learn “the distro” instead of “learn Linux.” They were often slower, had worse error handling, had their own bugs, were written in various scripting languages like tcl, Perl, Bash, POSIX shell, etc. It was a mess.

    The somewhat common agreed-upon init system was System V, which is ancient. It used runlevels, nested configuration (remember /etc/rc.d?), and generally, it was mostly used because it was battle tested and did the job. However, it is arguably esoteric by modern standards, and the init philosophy was revised to more modern needs with systemd.

    You can probably tell my bias, here. If you have to ask, then you probably don’t have a “stance” on systemd, and in my opinion, I would stick with systemd. There were dozens of custom scripts running everywhere and constantly changing, and systemd is such an excellent purpose-built replacement. There’s a reason why a lot of distros switched to it!

    If you want to experience what other init systems were like, I encourage you to experiment with distros like the one you mentioned. You might even play with virtual machines of old Linux versions to see how we did things a while back. Of course, you probably wouldn’t want to run an old version of Linux for daily use.

    It should also be mentioned that init systems are fairly integral to distros. For example, if you install Apache httpd, you might get a few systemd .service files. Most distros won’t include init files for various init systems. You can write them yourself, but that’s quite a lot of work, and lots of packages need specific options when starting them as a service. For this reason, if you decide you want to use a different init system, a distro like the one you mentioned would be the best route.

    Great question, and good luck! 👍

    db2 ,

    I liked runlevels. 🤷

    aport ,

    Targets are just a more flexible, granular run level. Plus it can actually handle dependencies.

    Shdwdrgn ,

    Some distros used completely custom scripts for init and networking, so you had to learn “the distro” instead of “learn Linux.”

    I never really noticed init scripts differing much between distros, but I also didn’t play around with many. If the systemD scripts are the same across every system, then this is the first positive thing that I’ve heard about systemD, so thanks for that.

    clmbmb , (edited )

    Init scripts were different, I can confirm. And it was pretty bad if you were doing your job and had to change something on a Debian massive machine, then moved to a red hat one.

    Shdwdrgn ,

    Ah ok, most of my experience has been on debian or derivations in the past decade. It seems weird that the init scripts would need to be different on various systems, I thought they had been pretty well standardized, with variables in the /etc/default/ entries pointing to specific folders or startup options. Ah well.

    nomadjoanne ,

    Great answer. I do use systemd boot on one of my systems as well. It isn’t exactly systemd itself is it? Simply a boot loader packaged as part of the general systemd boot suite, right?

    sunspider ,
    @sunspider@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah exactly. It does have some features that require integration with the init system, which systemd obviously supports, but it could be used independently of systemd quite happily, and other init systems could easily support those integrations.

    hunger ,
    @hunger@programming.dev avatar

    Systemd-the-init does depend on some core services and thise need to be used together: Init, logging and IPC. Anything running systemd-init will have journald for logging and IIRC DBus for communication. That’s because you need to control a system managing services, so you need to communicate with it and you need to document whatbthe managed services do, so you need logging. And you do want tested and stable code here (reusing something that was widely used in Linux before systemd started) and you do not want that code in the init process either. So systemd-the-init has very simple code tomlog and journald then has thencode needed to stream logs out to disk or to interact with other logging systems.

    Everything else is optional and in separate binaries written in a layered architecuture: Each layer uses services provided by the lower layer and offers services to layers higher up in the stack. So lots of services depend on systemd-the-init to start other processes instead of reimplementing that over and over again (thus gaining unified config files for everything that gets started and all the bells and whistles systemd-the-init has already or will pick up later).

    Or if you prefer a more negative spin: “Systemd is on huge entangled mess of interdependent binaries” :-)

    DryTomatoes4 ,

    I was reading about Slackware today and it seems their init system still uses system V and lots of scripts.

    So I’d definitely recommend that OS to anyone curious about the old style of init system.

    cspiegel ,

    Slackware uses the sysvinit program, but doesn’t have System V-style scripts. Which is somewhat confusing, but sysvinit is a basic init program that will just do whatever /etc/inittab tells it, so you can write your startup scripts to work however you want.

    Slackware uses what people tend to call a BSD-style init, but it’s nothing like the modern BSDs, nor the older BSDs, not really. If you use Slackware, you’ll learn how Slackware’s init system works, but that’s about it.

    DryTomatoes4 ,

    Ah my mistake. I’m just generally curious about what distros use an alternative to systemd (not that I have any issues with systemd myself but I like variety).

    So I googled what init system Slackware uses and read this page.

    slackware.com/config/init.php (no https)

    They mention several scripts on that page and that’s why I thought they use scripts.

    But I haven’t actually used the Slackware yet. Suppose I should though since I’m interested.

    cspiegel ,

    No, you’re right that it has scripts, they’re just not the scripts used by SysV-style init systems. They have different names, are in different locations, and are executed differently.

    I used Slackware for several years back in the 90s, and from that experience I’d recommend against learning it. I mean, with VMs today it’s simple to try new distributions, so go for it, but I’d put it waaaaay down the list of distributions/operating systems to try. If you have anything else you’re interested, put it first. Slackware is standard Linux so there’s nothing really special you’d find when using it, and it’s just a painful experience in general. I think some people will argue that it helps you “really learn Linux”, but I don’t think so. It just helps you learn Slackware’s idiosyncrasies, and learning pretty much any other distribution would be more beneficial than that.

    Slackware has advanced from when I used it in the 90s, but only barely (they have a network-based package manager now, I guess, although it proudly avoids dependency resolution!)

    DryTomatoes4 ,

    Oof that stance on dependency resolution is a big no for me. As much as I hated building gnome from source it was amazing that Gentoo can do that in a single command.

    fnv ,

    I am fan of principles like KISS and “Do one thing and do it right”. From this point of view is systemd disaster because it is almost everywhere in the system - boot, network, logs, dns, user/home management… It’s always surprise for me if nothing breaks when I do upgrades.
    I understand why systemd is here but I’m not at all happy to use it.

    Markaos ,

    From this point of view is systemd disaster because it is almost everywhere in the system - boot, network, logs, dns, user/home management…

    That’s almost like complaining that GNU coreutils is a disaster from KISS point of view because it includes too many things in a single project - cat, grep, dd, chown, touch, sync, base64, date, env… Not quite, because coreutils is actually a single package unlike systemd.

    The core systemd is big (IMHO it needs to be in order to provide good service management, and service management is a reasonable thing to include in systemd), but everything you listed are optional components. If your distro bundles them into one package, that’s on them.

    fnv ,

    Systemd includes many complex things, coreutils includes many simple things. And coreutils are ported to many different OS’es, systemd is linux only. Ask why?

    Lets imagine, my linux distro runs with openrc/upstart and I like systemd-journal features. Am I able to run system-journal without any other systemd components running?

    Markaos ,

    (…) systemd is linux only. Ask why?

    It is well known that systemd’s service management is built around cgroups, which is a Linux-only concept for now. Other OSs have their own ways to accomplish similar things, but adapting to that would require huge changes in systemd.

    Am I able to run system-journal without any other systemd components running?

    No, the only part of systemd project that doesn’t depend on systemd core is systemd-boot. And there’s also elogind, which is an independent project to lift systemd-logind out of systemd.

    But honestly, I don’t see the issue here. You can’t use systemd’s components elsewhere, but your previous complaint was the opposite - that systemd is everywhere, as if you were forced to use networkd, resolved (which pretty much no distro uses AFAIK because it’s way worse than other DNS resolvers), homed, timedated etc. when you use systemd as init.

    Also, I have a correction for my previous comment: systemd-journald is not an optional dependency, as it’s used as a fallback if the configured log daemon fails. I’ve only learned after writing that comment.

    fnv ,

    I can see you are much more familiar with systemd and thank you for details.
    But still I think systemd hardly follow KISS principle.

    prettybunnys , to memes in How often had I overlooked women's contributions ?

    I mean the lunar cycle is roughly 29 days with the argument that it’s 28 if you don’t count the new moon.

    I realize this is a neat thought idea but it I think best demonstrates how easy it is to jump to conclusions.

    Mr_Blott ,

    I conclude the moon has a vaj

    UrPartnerInCrime ,

    Well duh, Sokka was trying to get all up in it

    DharmaCurious ,
    @DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

    I just finished TLA. I’d never seen it, and now I have, and it’s gone, and my life feels empty. Why would you bring this up? Why would you hurt me so?

    Korra is good, but it doesn’t hit the same, and 70 years is not enough to fully industrialize a society.

    po-lina-ergi ,

    70 years is not enough to fully industrialize a society

    Russia, China

    Also, I imagine industry in general becomes significantly easier when you have people that can summon construction projects out of the ground or weld with their bare hands.

    Also, society isn't industrialised. One city state within society is industrialised.

    Also, the fire nation was already undergoing industrialisation at the time of ATLA.

    VindictiveJudge ,
    @VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

    Seriously, the Fire Nation had mass produced internal combustion engines in ATLA. They put them in their mass produced tanks. Not to mention the fleet of ships with smokestacks indicating they probably had either diesel or steam powered ships. The Earth Kingdom and Water Tribes are both still in the process of industrializing, but the Fire Nation was already pretty much there, and the United Republic is primarily a Fire Nation breakaway state.

    JasonDJ ,

    More than likely steam. Don’t need fuel to burn when when you can just make fire with magic. And we know people get employed for their bending ability since Mako got a job lightning-bending at the power plant.

    Tingle ,

    It’s not magic, it’s fire bending.

    AWistfulNihilist ,

    Look up the Meiji Restoration in Japan. They went from a feudal, near-medieval society to an industrial society between 1870 and 1920, by the time they were done they are participating in both world wars.

    You actually don’t have to suspend your disbelief so hard here, it’s the most believable part of the story of people who can bend elements with tai chi

    Trainguyrom ,

    Even if you take a Western lens to it and say ATLA takes place around 1850 that still puts Korra in the 1920s (and the air nation falling around 1750) and the only thing that really would be innacurate for comparing their timeline to ours is the lack of trains connecting the cities, at least in the earth kingdom where theres a lot of land to be crossed.

    I suppose if you assume that Ba Sing Sa is self-sufficient with it’s large farms in the outermost ring then it makes sense from a tactical perspective to have fewer points of entry to the city. You’d also have to assume there’s either significant brain-drain from the villages into the city or that the villages keep to themselves so much that they have no need for better transportation between them

    I’m not finding any good sources right now but some of the earliest trains were actually a singular railcar on wooden rails pushed by 1-2 people in much the same manner that the trains in Ba Sing Sa do, just sans Earth bending of course

    Trainguyrom ,

    I over thought this a lot and the only conclusion I could come to is the earth nation should be covered in railway lines. Extremely shortly after some of the first viable self-propelled steam locomotives were invented the first railwaya were built, and within 50 years entire countries were covered in railway lines connecting the smallest towns both that existed before the railroads and many built by the railroads.

    The existence of bending would only accelerate this development since right of way would be rapidly built through earth bending, and locomotives could simply have a closed system of water to be bent to produce propulsion. An earth bender could also spin a stone flywheel attached to gears to produce propulsion too. Or combine these with steam propulsion to overcome the limitations of early steam engines and the poorer iron and steel alloys of the time

    VindictiveJudge ,
    @VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

    TLOK does depict a railway network having been set up through the Earth Kingdom after the war. The Earth Kingdom as a whole is still very far behind in industrialization, though.

    daltotron ,

    I think that most of the criticisms directed at the industrialization and mecha stuff is mostly just a byproduct of the worldbuilding in korra broadly not being very good. Not even necessarily bad a lot of the time, but just not as good as avatar.

    Bending styles became more homogenized and choreography is worse, everything became a kind of 1920’s hong kong steampunk, and lots of the city shots, there’s basically nobody walking around. You have things like tasers and huge mechas, but huge mechas and tasers without explanations for how they’re getting such dense energy storage, or circumventing some real world problems with those technologies in a 1920’s context. With various forms of bending, you can kind of get around the energy density problem a little bit, since it’s just straight up magic that seems like it violates conservation of energy, but with korra’s stuff, that doesn’t apply a lot of the time.

    Lots of little things like that kinda give the impression that the world is made of paper mache, or that a lot of things are just kind of done because they’re a cool idea, rather than because they’re both a cool idea and make a little bit of sense. I’m not really opposed to the idea of a car in the setting, but it strikes me as quite a bit easier to power a car if you have a mobile human power plant that can produce large amounts of energy. I think it’s also kind of a shame to disconnect the tech from this for a different reason, as well, and that’s because it means that the bending is kind of, less broadly useful and applicable. It takes up less space in the setting, it has less utility, it’s not as cool, and the show doesn’t really end up giving many good replacements for it as time goes on.

    That’s really nitpicking, though. I think the broader point is just that there wasn’t much done in the series to really show the continuity between ATLA and korra (do not mistake this for fanservice), and they really feel like different shows. Feels kind of like about a quarter of the reason why people didn’t like the last jedi, but that’s kind of a whole other deal. Anyways, that being the case, korra’s more of a stand alone kind of deal, and I think it kind of falls flat on it’s own, because it just isn’t very good and I don’t like it as much as the OG.

    You also get a lot of people that will blame all the problems on the show that it kept getting renewed season after season without any real knowledge of the future viability of the show, but I think I would still just blame the writing, in that respect. You can make a good, contiguous series of media based only on good improv, only on good setup and payoff, external to the idea that the show has multiple locked-in seasons. I don’t think it matters too much, if you’re good enough. Main example there is probably just venture bros, though.

    peepee_longstonking ,

    Mussy?

    far_university1990 ,

    Moossy

    merc ,

    In English common law, a “lunar month” traditionally meant exactly 28 days or four weeks, thus a contract for 12 months ran for exactly 48 weeks

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_month

    So, depending on the legal framework, a 28 day marker could be very useful. If they were actually tracking the moon, you’d think it would be 29 units even though a lunar month can vary between about 29.1 and 29.9 days. Then again, 28 notches on a stick means 29 sections, so…?

    It’s interesting that a woman’s menstrual cycles is approx 28.1 days on average, with a standard deviation of 3.95 days. That means 28 days is a lot closer to the average menstrual cycle than the average lunar month. But, the standard deviation is a lot greater.

    ChexMax ,

    Other than tides, why do you need to know when the next full moon is? And can’t you just look at the moon and see how close it is waning to the full moon?

    Not saying the calendar is definitely a woman’s, but wanting to know when you’re going to start leaking blood onto everything near you seems like a good reason to track a period.

    prettybunnys ,

    I mean you can look at the moon to get a general sense, but if you want to be more precise then I’d use the new moon as the start and count the days until the next new moon.

    As far as why, I mean the seasons generally follow the lunar cycle so it would be a way to count the seasons and time and plan and do literally anything you’d need to do that you’d track time for.

    I bet you’d even want to track your menstrual cycle, I just wouldn’t limit it to that.

    I think the real “issue” with the OP statement and what my response is meant to say is that it doesn’t have to be either or.

    Rinox ,

    So, since Islam uses the lunar calendar, you’re telling me that the reason why they use it is to track menstruations?

    Good to know they are attentive to their women’s needs

    ChexMax ,

    I’m saying you don’t need to make marks on a bone to track the lunar cycle… you just look up.

    Rinox ,

    The same way Arab countries don’t need a calendar, they just look up

    SilentStorms , to memes in boycott Nintendo products

    I can’t believe there’s people in here that don’t understand that this is a joke.

    Omega_Haxors ,

    …joke?

    Pogbom ,

    It’s so close to reality that I’ll forgive it :P

    Krauerking ,

    LOL oh come on. I loved Yuzu a lot, and what they did to Bowser is fucked, but this is not all close to anything Nintendo has done.

    EmpathicVagrant ,

    Wait what did who do to bowser??

    I live under a rock.

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    He’s been fired. He’s in talks with Sony now.

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    They’ve made him lose to Mario countless times!

    garbagebagel ,

    Not even a good joke either, it’s like Facebook tier memeing

    Lev_Astov ,
    @Lev_Astov@lemmy.world avatar

    The fact it’s almost believable is both real and a serious problem.

    Death ,

    Despite understanding that it’s a joke, i don’t think that it’s a meme This is just a picture of text joke

    NocturnalMorning , (edited )

    You’ve been banned from /memes

    zarkanian ,
    @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

    This is just a picture of text joke

    I think you just described every “meme” I’ve ever seen.

    AeonFelis ,

    And I can’t believe that there are people like you that still underestimate how gullible people can be.

    Doof ,

    You know sometimes jokes fall flat

    henfredemars , to memes in Hallmark channel go brrrrr

    I met the author… a guy who wrote the script for one of the pictured movies. He was doing stand-up comedy on a cruise ship. He said yes, they are all terrible, but there’s a certain audience for them and they’re quite profitable.

    He said I want you to think of me when you’re forced to watch one of these. I want you to know who is responsible, and that I’m very sorry.

    agressivelyPassive ,

    They probably cost next to nothing to produce, so even a small audience will make them profitable.

    I wonder, if you could just cycle through the same 5 movies without anyone noticing.

    WarmSoda ,

    They have two movies that are the same exact movie but told through two different main characters point of view. Same scenes and everything.

    It’s actually an interesting idea on paper. And Hallmark is probably the perfect way to do something like that.

    grue ,

    It’s actually an interesting idea on paper.

    I’m hearing an implied “but not on screen…”

    nilloc ,

    None of them are interesting in practice, but the idea of two versions of a movie being filmed at once sounds like it could be cool. And if successful, would be almost twice as profitable as one.

    rotopenguin ,
    @rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

    The idea worked out pretty well in “To every you I’ve loved before” and “To me, the one who loved you”.

    I somehow doubt Hallmark did quite as good a job of it.

    flashgnash ,

    Hallmark red and hallmark blue. There are certain characters you can only get through trading with someone who watched the other film

    BCsven ,

    They are definitely lower budget than ‘normal’ movies. But even as a low budget it still requires all the same production staff, camera, sound, editor, crew park staff, food services, wranglers, casting etc. The cheap part is unknown actors and not a lot of travel. Source: my wife has done background work on many movies and TV shows. As background they get paid to sit until call time. so scene maybe half hour, but all the background people waiting get a full hourly pay and all the food you want while waiting. You will notice on hallmark they zoom in tight so background is barely visible, this helps not having a large set of background people. in one movie at the mall they had my wife shopping and walking back and forth. it works for the scene but if you watched it closely you would notice the same lady in every scene carrying different boxes or bags.

    mindbleach ,

    It is kinda weird they haven’t made the Teletubbies decision to stop making new episodes once they have enough to loop. Once they have, what, three hundred? Then they can fill twelve hours per day from Halloween until Christmas. Shift those by a few movies every year and people will catch a whole different set based on when they watch TV.

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    Assume AI writes them now.

    randomaside ,
    @randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Who was he?

    RiikkaTheIcePrincess ,
    @RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social avatar

    Wow, that’s brutal. “I want you to know who did this to you!”

    Haus , to memes in Not sure how the girl's skin tone is relevant, but apart from that...
    @Haus@kbin.social avatar

    Basing your opinions on socialism on how Russia implemented it makes about as much sense as basing an opinion on Democracy on how Putin has implemented it.

    sudo22 ,
    @sudo22@lemmy.world avatar

    Legit question, what country is a better real world example?

    Prunebutt ,

    1936 Catalonia.

    But it is actually really hard to name examples. This video explains it quite well: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4l_l1MedQ

    sudo22 ,
    @sudo22@lemmy.world avatar

    Saved for later. Thank you!

    Soup ,

    Communism, like capitalism, is an extreme that has certain, very difficult to achieve, requirements. Capitalism needs everyone to be morally decent in order for companies to focus on winning customers through innovation instead of propganda and lobbying, and to accept losses instead of whining. Even the transition into communism is incredibly complicated and technically what where the USSR was stuck, and once there you have to hope that the rest of the world went along with it because it’ll work either on increbily small scales(individual companies, for example) or on a global scale but not really on a mid-sized scale. Plus in both you have basic greed and people who are literally just born narcissitic or legitimately psychotic.

    Extreme ideologies are great thought experiments but rarely have any kind of well-developed protections built and are pretty fragile.

    If you want a better answer, look at the quality of life in countries with stronger regulations and more communism-according-to-North America systems. In the heavily privatised U.S. there are a lot of people who live absolutely shit lives due to an abyssmal lack of protections. Even in Canada, which is far too close to the U.S. here, at least a homeless person can recieve some level of medical assistance including major surgeries and Covid stimulus was more than a cheap joke.

    Extreme

    tpihkal ,

    Canada’s medical assistance for the homeless is becoming just offer them an assisted suicide.

    sailingbythelee ,

    That’s a cute meme, but not true at all. Canada spends a lot of money on health care for the homeless. In fact, the current system of NOT spending enough on basic shelter and mental health & addiction supports means that we spend far more than we should on emergency care and downstream health-related consequences.

    There is widespread agreement among those who work in social services that some form of supervised, humane institutional living is needed if we are going to solve the homelessness problem. There is hesitation to implement that because it is extremely expensive and politically fraught.

    More importantly, if we are being honest, housing people in decent conditions for free would create a huge amount of competition with private sector landlords, retirement homes, long-term care homes, etc. Unfortunately, the “system” implicitly uses the threat of homelessness or squalid accommodations as a major lever to motivate people to work at jobs that are not very stimulating. Mind you, human nature being what it is, I think the same would ultimately be true under any economic system or form of government.

    At least until our robotic AI overlords invent an unlimited energy source and take over the tedious work so we can all sit around doing whatever pleases us, lol.

    Omega_Haxors , (edited )

    Canada’s idea of dealing with the homeless is to send cops after them and then subsidize rental housing. Because that’s worked so far…

    Omega_Haxors ,

    Fact check: True

    Source: Parent’s friend went through MAID a month ago because they couldn’t get a job.

    banneryear1868 ,

    Cuba, Vietnam, Allende’s Chile perhaps, but it’s not like any are perfect. There’s a wide range of socialist approaches used in different countries around the world though.

    Moderate socialist governments effectively weren’t allowed to exist, the US sponsored fascist coups and did whatever they could to remove them. So the ones that were able to survive had to be more extreme, autocratic, and isolationist.

    Not_mikey ,

    If your looking for modern day examples, the zapatistas are a pretty good example.

    For historical examples you can look to the Paris commune, civil war Barcelona, the original zapatista movement.

    muad_dibber ,
    @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    How the USSR implemented socialism was pretty great in practice, the real history of it has just been hidden from you behind the thick fog of cold-war anticommunist propaganda.

    Here’s a good intro video: Michael Parenti - Reflections on the overthrow of the USSR

    teft ,
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    Anyone mentions soviets suck and the tankies come out of the woodwork.

    “USsR was just misunderstood. Swearsies.”

    Catfish ,
    @Catfish@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Learn to have a conversation.

    banneryear1868 ,

    Yellow Parenti is best Parenti

    Omega_Haxors ,

    A lot of people don’t realize that the Soviet Union was seen as a bastion of democracy before the cold war, because it genuinely got a lot right.

    In fact, it was democratic to a fault. Ultimately it was the people who voted to bring capitalism into the country. It was all downhill from there.

    SouthEndSunset ,

    This entire thread is based on this. If comments are truthful.

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