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Safipok ,

Cool thought, but why is this in meme /C/ ?

Thcdenton ,

d e e p t h o u g h t s

HollowNaught ,
@HollowNaught@lemmy.world avatar

I’m confused by this quote - no sane person would assume a male did something just because we say man did it. In this instance, man would simply be referencing humanity

The want to define whether a male or female did it without any evidence is simply sexist

AstralPath ,

Isn’t it a shame though that the way we refer to humanity as a whole is by using the specific word that represents only half of humanity?

Its not hard to see how this is exclusionary. Honestly, how many people immediately conjure an image of a woman in their head when someone says “man’s first attempt at X”? Male as the default is the root of the issue here. Its not difficult for us to use more suitable language like " humanity" or “humankind”.

Sandi clearly isn’t up in arms about the language used here, she’s just simply pointing out this exact problem. First thought is of a man’s work. Only through thoughtfully examined details do we invoke a woman’s presence. Men are the default, but why? Many of these ancient cultures revered their women; attributed vast amounts of the success of their people to them and we set up their historic legacy into the future with poor choice of words. Its sad, really.

Fortunately things are changing for the better.

HollowNaught ,
@HollowNaught@lemmy.world avatar

I agree that English is a constantly changing language, with many words meaning the same thing or single words meaning multiple different things. It’s the case with the male man, derived from werman, as is such with many other words

But your point ignores what I was trying to say

Anybody who feels the need to specify gender with such limited information is simply being sexist. Neither male nor female should be assumed in this instance

This goes for people other than those in the post; scholars and students should be held accountable alike

Whether these historic individuals were male or female is irrelevant. Only their creations truly matter

AstralPath ,

I get you. All I have to say is this in response: Its easy to say that specifying gender is irrelevant when the speaker is a man. Women have been forgotten or purposely obscured in history books since forever. There’s nothing wrong with positing that a woman may have done X. If there’s an obvious potential for female context, why suppress it?

firefly ,
@firefly@neon.nightbulb.net avatar

> "... I thought this comment of the professor was an interesting eye opener."

"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:5)

Having your eyes opened to believe nonsense is the goal of such so-called 'education'. For all we know the notches were a tally of successful hunts or a scalp tally. Or maybe the notches were to allow a sinew or leather wrapping to adhere to the bone, possibly being used as a handle for a tool. And who trusts a mere picture being held up as scientific evidence of anything?

Delusional people like to read their preconceived notions into everything. The eugenics supremacists in the education racket tell you that your ancestors were cave-dwelling monkeys so you filter artifacts through that lens and confirm that your ancestors were cave-dwelling monkeys.

Anyone who believes that man began living in caves and tried to make a calendar on a bone is an neanderthal cave-dweller's son.

MutilationWave ,

Savannah dwelling apes, not cave dwelling monkeys.

Churbleyimyam ,

Good trip-up one. Good old periods. Good old not getting your girlfriend pregnant.

Emmy ,

All the idiots claiming it’s the moon and giving more details about women’s cycles are missing the point of the quote.

Which is spelled out, but I’ll place it here.

The idea that it was a woman is just as valid as it being a man, but man is always assumed.

The accuracy of the claim is not at issue. The assumption is.

Churbleyimyam ,

Who is responsible though? The historian, or the man who inscribed the bone?

FiskFisk33 , (edited )

“man” as in human kind.

I agree the linguistics here are unfortunate, but here we are, and that word, in that context, is normally gender neutral.

Also, 28 day calendar probably means it’s the moon.

2pt_perversion ,

It’s important to note how we got here. In old English man just meant human. Wereman meant male and wifman meant female. Over time that “were” prefix got dropped and man now means male but the ambiguous meaning of humankind stuck around. In fact “human” comes from old french “of man”, again the non-gendered use of the word man.

The point is to fix all these problems we just have to bring back the “were”. The progressive werewolves are way ahead of us on this issue.

exocrinous ,

Hunter, huntress, huntsman. Actor, actress, actsman. Waitor, waitress, waitsman.

If we bring back the were then how are we gonna refer to male hunters, actors, and waitors?

FiskFisk33 ,

Hunter, werehunter, wifhunter. fun!

the real question is how are we going to refer to male wolves?

FiskFisk33 ,

It would be interesting to see what in an alternate timeline, English would have looked like today if the Norman invasion never happened.

Cottenlai_Zhou ,

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    ProfessorOwl_PhD ,
    @ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net avatar

    You mean apart from them occuring at set intervals? The length of time between the average women’s periods is 28 days, but the moon’s 28 day cycle is 100% reliable, and always happens regardless of individual stressors. Having a regular solar event that confirms you’re accurately keeping track of days is pretty practical.

    XeroxCool ,

    I’m not seeing a comment pointing out why 28 days isn’t a moon thing, so I’ll take a shot. If you watch new moon to new moon or full moon to full moon, it’s a 29.5 day cycle. It’s true, the moon’s orbit is only 28 days. However, that’s 360° of travel. We don’t track the moon against the stars for its cycle though, it’s tracked against the sun. A full moon sits opposite the sun, a new moon in line with the sun, etc. So, in that 28 day orbital period, the earth has also orbited about 1/13 of an orbit around the sun, changing the position of the sun against the stars . That means the moon has to travel an extra 28° of orbit to reach the new moon position again - about an extra day an a half.

    FiskFisk33 ,

    I’m not seeing a comment pointing out why 28 days isn’t a moon thing,

    Hm, that’s odd! it’s right there

    discuss.tchncs.de/comment/8329564

    XeroxCool , (edited )

    Odd indeed since the link works fine in my mobile app (connect) but doesn’t show on the native comment thread. I kinds figured it was something like that with a different source instance. At least I can feel good knowing I explained where 28 does occur

    Dkarma ,

    Some guy tracking the moon.

    OozingPositron ,
    @OozingPositron@feddit.cl avatar

    He died before he could carve 29.

    I_am_10_squirrels ,

    Maybe they were narrating it

    smileyhead ,

    Yeah, no way to know what gender someone had so we just pick one based on our twisted worldview where some gender must be better than other because reasons.

    Tankiedesantski ,

    we just pick one based on our twisted worldview where some gender must be better than other because reasons.

    The only one doing this here is you.

    smileyhead ,

    In which words did I choose which gender that inventor was?

    nat_turner_overdrive ,
    @nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net avatar

    well you seem upset that an archaeologist suggested it was likely a woman, so something made you mad

    smileyhead ,

    I am as upset with suggesting it was a man, as some may try to do.
    Maybe my comment sounded weird with just the context of the post, but I wrote it also with other comments in mind.

    zzx , (edited )

    Not sure why you got down voted because you are absolutely right

    • we don’t know
    • society ascribes everything to the male

    If we defaulted to “he or she (they probably)” then things would be better but we simply don’t. It is always the man’s contribution and it’s disappointing

    smileyhead ,

    We should have a neologism for gender neutral version of “mankind” definitely.
    I am just this one person always pushing a stick into an anthill every time gender is assumed out of preference and getting all the hate from both sides.

    steakmeoutt ,

    Bruh relax

    zzx ,

    Lmfaooooo I can’t believe you came and found me on another comment. You really do need to relax

    computerscientistI ,

    A woman invented the windshield wiper. Granted, a man inventes the whole effing rest of the car…

    uSpetzWon ,

    a man with a wife.

    it’s good to know when it’s time to spend couple of days hunting the sabre tooth tiger.

    WldFyre ,

    Wife bad amirite

    Dkarma ,

    PMS deniers 🤣

    WldFyre ,

    Oh no my loved one is about to experience terrible pain that comes every few weeks, better complain about how this affects me and go do my own thing for awhile

    FarFarAway ,

    More like he needs to know when to take a break when she’s most fertile so they can procreate. He’s already gone by the time she’s having “her time of the month”

    DadVolante ,
    @DadVolante@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Tell me you’ve never found the man in the boat without telling me you’ve never found the man in the boat.

    D61 ,

    A man makes blankets and he “works in textiles” a woman makes blankets and she “has a hobby making quilts”.

    demonen ,
    @demonen@lemmy.ml avatar

    It occurs to me that the solution might be to start referring to men as “wermen” again, and revert “men” to it’s gender neutral roots. That also means we can have a bunch of other prefixes for other genders.

    Languages are fun.

    TIMMAY ,

    just lean all the way in and call us vermin

    Ultraviolet ,

    That’s also where the “were” prefix in werewolf comes from.

    bob_lemon ,

    Does that mean female werewolves should be called wowolves? (Or even better, woowolves)

    Ultraviolet ,

    Wifwolves, unfortunately.

    kibiz0r ,

    qwantz.com/index.php?comic=551

    huf ,

    lol what the fuck, yeah right, ancient germanic word “man” derives from latin… whoever drew this didnt bother to open up the dictionary once…

    kibiz0r ,

    ¯*(ツ)*/¯

    I’m not an entomologist.

    blawsybogsy ,

    “Entomology (from Ancient Greek entomon ‘insect’, and -logia ‘study’)[1] is the scientific study of insects, a branch of zoology. In the past the term insect was less specific, and historically the definition of entomology would also include the study of animals in other arthropod groups, such as arachnids, myriapods, and crustaceans. This wider meaning may still be encountered in informal use.”

    huf ,

    pff nah, entomologists are experts at entoming people. you know, like putting them in a tom underground. dead. like that cara loft lady.

    blawsybogsy ,

    i need to branch out with my sources

    milicent_bystandr ,

    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wrong_superhero.png

    hessenjunge ,

    Scholars seem to agree it stems from Proto-Indo-European, so Latin is not the source.

    iAvicenna ,
    @iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

    Never mind anything, making the abstract connection between one event and the number of marks you scratch on a wall was probably the equivalent of genius of the time, the first mathematician.

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