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Thorny_Insight , to science_memes in Family

For some reason I thought someone had edited this picture and changed the people in it. I was wrong but since I spent so long going thru my archives to find it I thought I’d share

https://lemm.ee/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLCbu5gS.jpeg

I will not answer further questions about this picture

fossphi ,

I love it!

scytale ,

Leftmost kid has the same expression as the kid from an older meme. Is it the same person?

gigachad ,

Pretty sure! He has also been photoshopped into the “boy bites apple meme” which I really love

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/22a9e528-441e-4c19-ac1e-ef1453423113.jpeg

TheReturnOfPEB ,

absolute perfection, no notes.

cheesymoonshadow ,
@cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world avatar

My brother and I are in the US but different states, and our parents and sister are in the Philippines. During a rare reunion, we recreated several of our old family photos from the '70s and '80s. It was so funny, especially when my 45-year-old brother tried to sit on my mom’s lap.

If that’s your family in the photo, you guys have got to try recreating it as grown-ups. 😁

Befernafardofo ,

This picture gives me happiness

owenfromcanada , to showerthoughts in Many people don't realize this place is just as toxic and censored as Reddit just in smaller scale, hell I'm afraid this post will be removed as well, they hate any type of discussion...
@owenfromcanada@lemmy.world avatar

If everywhere you go smells like shit, check your shoe.

FVCKVRSELF OP ,

That logic is not only flawed but dangerous.

Forester ,
@Forester@yiffit.net avatar

I mean you’re the one who smells like shit bro, have you considered? You may need to take a shower and wipe your ass?

owenfromcanada ,
@owenfromcanada@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a decent community of people telling you that you’re the problem. To ignore that is flawed thinking on your part.

You have two options: ignore them and continue to bitch and moan about how wrong everyone else is, or you can do some self examination and maybe be a better person for it. Your call.

db2 ,

Narrator: We all know which one he chose though.

moonburster ,

So is thinking: if it happens to me, it happens to everyone.

ColeSloth ,

My shoe stepped in online social groups. Ew.

Deceptichum , to science_memes in Sneks
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar
Anticorp ,

Ha!

systemglitch , to technology in Let's talk about Google Chrome and ads, and getting around Google's ad enforcing tactics (manifestv3)

Firefox just seems like the easy solution.

rob200 OP ,

Youtube makes it harder to use when you block their ads despite which browser, for example.

Peertube, will run well on most modern web browsers and you don’t need a functioning adblocker to block ads on Peertube as by defualt, there are none. But may vary from server to server.

Alexstarfire , to nostupidquestions in Is my girlfriend gaslighting me? (Edit: No, she is not gaslighting me, but may have some other issues.)

None of that is gaslighting. However, it’s a red flag.

Illuminostro ,

Agreed. Sounds like Borderline Personality Disorder. Get her some help, or get far, far away.

peopleproblems ,

No, it doesn’t. Nothing here screams fear of abandonment. It screams insecurity, it screams anxiety, it screams mentally unhealthy, but this doesn’t say anything that could highlight BPD, or any other disorder.

Illuminostro ,

It absolutely does, and I’m getting the vibe this is personal for you. This is not about you.

peopleproblems ,

It absolutely does not. I’m not sure what you guys aren’t reading here, but the very first paragraph is about her wanting HIM to greet her when she arrived home in the Uber.

Being scared of being kidnapped is not fear of abandonment.

Y’all aren’t helping him if you’re telling him the wrong reasons to do the right thing. That ends up hurting both.

Illuminostro ,

I have first hand personal knowledge of Borderline disorder. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

monsterpiece42 , (edited )

Jumping in, I also have a lot of BPD experience (example, a marriage of well over 10 years).

This is very BPD-adjacent. I’m not saying OP’s gf has it per se, because there is no way we can know from here, but this is definitely on brand.

If you read between the lines, the social conversation could written as this:

“Heading home, I need support”

“I’ll support”

<Doesn’t support>

<She feels abandoned, fight or flight kicks in and it turns her attachment-avoidant, results in silent treatment>

<OP gives space, which is interpreted as further abandonment>

<OPGF can’t take it anymore, and asks questions that feel like they’re out of left field because in fight-or-flight kicks in, clear thought is nearly impossible>

<OP finally gives reassurance that he didn’t abandon her>

<Normalcy continues>

[email protected] read through this comment chain, therapy is the answer here.

Sterile_Technique OP , (edited ) to games in Steam Summer Sale - Top Deals
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

The Witcher 3 - Wild Hunt $39.99 $3.99 (90% off)

If you’ve somehow managed to avoid Witcher until now, it’s a dark medieval fantasy, 3rd person, open world RPG based on Norse Slavic mythology. Lots of political intrigue, choices that actually impact outcomes in game. Fantastic voice acting, story, soundtrack, and combat/gameplay mechanics. This is one of the best games on the market - if you don’t already have it, now’s the time! There are also two DLCs that are each the size and scope of an entire standalone game - don’t miss those!

Also available DRM free on GOG for the same price.

(shoutout to @Klystron for GOG intel)

Mr_Wobble ,

I started replaying Witcher 3 a week or so ago. It really is an amazing game. But I will admit that the combat is just ok. It’s not awful, but it sure as heck isn’t great. The magic and other mechanics, I’d also call them just OK, maybe even occasionally bordering on less-than-good. Geralt’s movement, even just traversing or trying to loot things, can often be slippy and weird.

Thing is, all of the other parts that are important for a great RPG and narrative just shine SO much more brighter that they really make up for the very mediocre gameplay aspects. It really is more than the sum of its parts.

Sterile_Technique OP ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Once you get a hold on dodging/parrying/etc, you’ll feel like a damn ninja, especially on harder difficulties; but leading up to that, yeah combat is… OK. Also don’t miss out of experimenting with different builds - one of my favorites optimized using bombs, which later into it makes you a walking B-52 - fun build if you enjoy clearing trash via a wave of pure chaos, then mopping up the stronger guys by way of the sword.

And yeah, the whole package is what counts here: Witcher 3 is a fantastic all around game. It isn’t without it’s imperfections, but they are barely noticeable amidst the tsunami of ridiculously high quality you’ll be hit with from all the other features.

Mr_Wobble ,

For sure! And as much negative I said about the combat, it’s punchy, never drags on, and the enemies you fight are usually all set up well as part of the story. They’re not just random mobs, so even the fighting has good narrative weight even if it’s not the mechanically deepest ever.

This time through, I’ve been making different choices and stopping to explore more and take in more of the world. First time I played it, I had NO IDEA that if you stopped and listened to some npc convos you can pick up quests that way! Doesn’t even really feel like I’m playing it over again, or retreading the same stuff. There’s SO much in it.

GissaMittJobb ,

It was never a strong combat game imo. It’s a fantastic game despite the combat, not because of the combat.

WhyAUsername_1 ,

Good fish! I will download it right away.

Just one question, I have never played any of The Witcher series game. Would I be okay in jumping directly into the 3rd part?

storcholus ,

It helps if you know the lore, because at the beginning there is a scene where someone asks you about decisions you made in the first two parts. But I didn’t know anything and just guessed. But after that you don’t really need to know what happens before

Signfeld ,

This is optional and only happens if you check “Simulate Witcher 2 Save” when creating a new game I believe. Just choose no.

xavier666 ,

Can you suggest a video which briefly explaines the lore of 1 and 2?

storcholus ,

Sadly no, it’s been a long time. My guess would be as good as yours. But like Singfeld said, you can skip that option

Sterile_Technique OP ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Witcher 2’s controls are a bit janky, but it’s a solid game in and of itself for the story alone; if you can stomach some pretty bad mechanics to enjoy an otherwise decent product, I’d say start at #2.

Witcher 1 is… so bad it’s kinda comical. I’d just pull up a story summary of Witcher 1 on youtube and call it a day. If you’re a masochist, go ahead and give the actual game a whirl; but I’d recommend modding the snot out of it to at least make your character OP as fuck, allowing you to mostly skip the god-awful combat. But even then, the only selling point is the story, which again you can just pull up on YouTube.

That said, you can dive into 3 with zero knowledge of the previous two and be just fine. There are things that will go over your head, but nothing significant.

Blackmist ,

Yes, tbh. Most missing backstory tends to be from the books rather than the games, and anyone with half a brain can infer what’s going on.

OutlierBlue ,

open world RPG based on Norse mythology.

Slavic mythology, not Norse.

Sterile_Technique OP ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, good catch. Fixed.

therealjcdenton , to linux in People doing the 30 days linux Challenge are having several problems because of Mint's old packages and technology. Why people still recommend it when there is Fedora and Opensuse with KDE and Gnome?

Why did you post a drawing of a child? Kinda weird

HumanPerson ,

What do you mean? She’s 32000 years old. /s

Feathercrown ,

Linux user moment

Juice , to science_memes in Mythbusters

The Elephant and Mice episode was so wild, because if I remember correctly, the elephant didn’t act afraid of the mouse, it acted afraid it would step on and harm the mouse; as if the elephant had a basic understanding and concern for the wellbeing of another creature conspicuously lacking in many human beasts

IzzyScissor ,

Yep. Elephants are wonderfully kind creatures. With my very limited understanding of elephant body language, it didn’t look like an ‘oh no, im scared’ it was more ‘oh hey little guy, didn’t see ya there. ill get outta your way.’

frezik ,

Just smart as hell. This video makes me wonder if elephants legit have a sense of humor:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VOvEFHDOaU

Animal behavior can be difficult to interpret (and even when descriptions come from experts, I often find myself asking “yeah, but how do we really know that?”), but this looks very close to being like someone who’s known for lighthearted pranks.

IzzyScissor ,

Oh my goooooood. This is so delightful, you can almost see the smirk. Thank you for sharing. <3

Lumidaub ,

I WANT to believe this but I’ve seen too many elephant videos that turned out to be just elephants trained to do a quirky thing for tourists and there’s someone off camera subtly directing them.

drosophila ,

Elephants are wonderfully kind creatures

So long as they’re not a bull in musth.

HawlSera ,

It’s amazing how intelligent and emotionally mature elephants are. It’s not wonder why people were willing to believe that “Elephants have a moon religion!” line for so long, it seems believable with how often elephants seem to act like chonky humans with a trunk instead of arms.

Chev ,

If we would, we would be all vegan.

shiftymccool , to selfhosted in Cloudflare is bad. Youre right.

Why does Cloudflare get a pass on the “if it’s free, you’re the product” mantra of the self-hosting community? Honest question. They seem to provide a lot for free, so…

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s usually free tiers of paid products

shiftymccool ,

That makes sense, except Google kinda does the same thing. Everything they have is technically just a “free tier” of the Google One subscription, right? I guess I’m saying that “free tier of paid product” doesn’t automatically qualify a company as trustworthy for me. Is there something else that sets Cloudflare apart?

exanime ,

For me personally, it was all about balance.

15 years ago, Gmail/Inbox was a great email client, the domain was great and popular (so no need to spell it out for people) and I would “pay” by getting ads based on my emails read by a bot.

Now Gmail is a terrible email client, the best updates are ridiculous things like moving buttons around and it takes Google years to roll out. The thing loses emails, mislabels and misclassifies stuff and the rules work for a week then blow up. On top of that, google is now basically a proctologist considering how far up my ass they want to go

The balance is broken… Google now officially sucks (IMO)

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Well search and maps (and some others) have no paid tier. Even for paid products, google does quite explicitly make money from the free version through ads. And most google ads are through third party sites, so you can’t opt out of them by paying google.

irotsoma ,
@irotsoma@lemmy.world avatar

In my opinion, the difference with Google is that Google is actively using your data and you’re giving them a lot of it. For Cloudflare, what do they have exactly? Depends on what services you use, but really all they get from me is the list of servers that connect to my domains. Google does that too if you use 8.8.8.8, or if you have any of their hardware that overrides router DNS settings like Chromecast and Google TV.

MangoPenguin ,
@MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Quality of their products maybe? Cloudflare feels like they put a lot of effort into their product, Google not so much with how buggy everything is and how often they just abandon products they offer.

jnk ,

Google is an advertising company first, everything else second. Of course they shouldn’t be trusted, it’s safe to assume they’ll log and analyze the smallest piece of data

chiisana ,
@chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net avatar

Strictly speaking, they’re leveraging free users to increase the number of domains they have under their DNS service. This gives them a larger end-user reach, as it in turn makes ISPs hit their DNS servers more frequently. The increased usage better positions them to lead peering agreement discussions with ISPs. More peering agreements leads to overall cheaper bandwidth for their CDN and faster responses, which they can use as a selling point for their enterprise clients. The benefits are pretty universal, so is actually a good thing for everyone all around… that is unless you’re trying to become a competitor and get your own peering agreement setup, as it’d be quite a bit harder for you to acquire customers at the same scale/pace.

Auli ,

@shiftymccool @Kuvwert cause nobody wants to think about that.

olafurp ,

Because most self hosted things are free already. It doesn’t apply to FOSS.

oyenyaaow ,

They have for public benefit program where they give out their paid security tiers for free? If you can get recommended into it. Build a lot of goodwill there for non-profits community.

Nibodhika ,

Do you have an alternative to cloudflare tunnels? I’d love to hear it, because I’m also not really happy about relying on them either, but tailscale only works up to an extent because not all devices can connect to it and it’s a pain in the ass to get random family members to connect to it as well.

oyenyaaow ,
riskable , to lemmyshitpost in Ironing
@riskable@programming.dev avatar

This achievement belongs to the tail end of GENX… The folks that brought us grunge.

Track_Shovel OP ,

Im a geriatric millennial

simplejack ,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

Close enough. You can come in the club. There’s dunkaroos in the back if you’re hungry.

MeatsOfRage ,

Looks like there’s a box of YoYo Balls and Pogs. Can I have a go?

CountVon ,
@CountVon@sh.itjust.works avatar

Oh for sure, those are a communal resource.

Track_Shovel OP ,

Fuck. I played so much with both of those things.

Track_Shovel OP ,

I thought they discontinued dunkaroos, but then my wife came home with a box of them for my kids.

I tried one (disgusting); I remember them being a lot better.

binomialchicken ,

Hard to tell if it is actually worse or a false memory, because they originally came out when garbage sugar-laced food science was really taking off targeting the younger demographic.

Track_Shovel OP ,

I remember the birthday cake ones being amazing

VelvetStorm ,

They have 100% gotten worse. The quality of everything has dropped in the last 20+ years.

Entertainmeonly ,

I keep having this argument with my mom. She keeps trying to tell me it’s because I’m older and my taste bus have changed. I’ll admit my preference in flavor may have broadened but all my favorite snacks and candy from the late 80s and early 90s have been terribly inshitafide. My absolute favorite was skittles. The apple ruined them but then they finally caved and put lime back in only to change the receipt altogether which ruined them a second time. At least one of the ingredients is illegal in most countries at this point.

VelvetStorm ,

Here is a fun fact. All skittles taste the same. They just add different scents to them to trick you into thinking there is a different flavor. That being said the lime ones were my favorite too.

Entertainmeonly ,

This is silly semantics. If you can close your eyes and tell which color you are eating then the flavors are different enough. Scent is also linked to taste.

VelvetStorm ,

Close your eyes and plug your nose and see how they taste. Regardless it was just ment to be a fun fact.

Entertainmeonly ,

I have and I 100% can tell you which color skittle I’m eating.

Edit: This only includes the original flavors. I’m not familiar enough with the various versions.

Blackout ,
@Blackout@kbin.run avatar

I remember always wearing wrinkled shirts back then because I didn't care about ironing or society.

BubbleMonkey ,

I did that in the military. They were less keen and some shit hit some fans or whatever. So I got me some safety pins for my neckline and they shut the fuck up and my millennial self rejoiced.

yemmly ,

How does this safety pin trick work?

jaybone ,

Anyone who said shit, he poked them with it.

nepenthes ,
@nepenthes@lemmy.world avatar

We are considered a micro-generation they have dubbed Xennials 1977-1983

Xennials are described as having had an analog childhood and a digital young adulthood.

ChapulinColorado ,

I feel like a lot of people from different countries would fit that description after the fact since technology was more expensive and it took us longer to be able to afford the new and trendy items.

MrSpArkle , to fediverse in Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem

The mods of the non-political subs need to move elsewhere, eventually after that the content will just be tankie bullshit and everyone can just defederate them.

Wrench ,

We can defederate them now. Content will move as it reaches fewer eyes.

Crowfiend ,

Even the non political .ml communities are full of power-tripping, ban-happy, thread-nuking tyrants in my experience.

dan1101 , to asklemmy in Are there any EV cars without any "technology"?

Not that I know of. Let smaller automakers make EVs and we might get something like that.

But with the federal government mandating that all cars must have automatic braking after a certain date in the future I guess we’re never going to get away from tons of sensors and computers in cars.

sonori ,
@sonori@beehaw.org avatar

I mean, the government has mandated that all cars built since the 90s have to have a lot of computers and sensors for engine monitoring and emissions logging so that ship has long since sailed. Automatic braking is also credited with eliminating something like 1 in 5 fatalities in car accidents, so as long as we have any motorized vehicles around at all I don’t really have a problem with the government requiring manufacturers to spend the extra 20 dollars or so per vehicle it costs them to add a few ultrasonic sensors and a microcontroller it takes to slow the vehicle to the point where a driving into a pedestrian might just be survivable.

tkk13909 ,

Automatic braking doesn’t require the level of tech that’s being packed into EVs these days

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

You could make automatic breaking without a full blown computer, but it’s so much cheaper to put a full-blown computer than it is to do it all in hardware. Everything uses turing complete equipment now, it’s actually less expensive at this point.

There’s absolutely no reason not to put multiple computers in the car I think the real win is not surfacing it to the end user.

lemmyman ,

“Tech” is a conflated term. The way I read OP is that they don’t want their cars main user interface to be a smartphone app. Doesn’t mean the car can’t be technologically advanced.

tkk13909 ,

Exactly. If my car can connect to the internet then it has too much tech in it.

maynarkh ,

The ability for a car to call emergency services in the event of a crash, and thus the mobile / data connection required to do that, has been mandatory since 2018 in all new cars sold in the EU.

So there is no cost incentive not to have the internet connection in there, as it is a basic safety feature now, like seatbelts.

azertyfun ,

You don’t need a data plan to call emergency services. Any protocol-compatible device can dial 911/112/etc. for free.

This is why in remote areas your phone may say “Emergency Calls Only”. Your carrier isn’t available, but someone else’s is and they are legally obligated to route emergency calls.

Of course if your car has a modem and a computer, adding a data plan isn’t a huge leap. But it’s a recurring expense and plenty of cars sold today do not have internet connectivity, at least on the cheaper side.

JohnDClay ,

They also mandate a backup camera, so that means they need to have a screen.

intensely_human ,

Could put in a Polaroid exposer instead

MyNameIsRichard , to linux in What are the best proprietary/paid apps for linux?
@MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml avatar

Although I don’t use them, the Jetbrains products should be near the top of the list.

Lantern ,

Was going to say this. Pycharm is probably the only paid software I use. With that being said, students don’t need to pay for it, so I don’t have to worry about that.

hroderic , to nostupidquestions in [Serious] Why do so many people seem to hate veganism?

Do-gooder derogationBasically, some people perceive others’ moral choices as criticism or as some kind of bragging.

DessertStorms , (edited )
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

And some just see those who militantly focus on attacking fellow individuals instead of the systems that are actually to blame (but which they otherwise support and/or benefit from, like capitalism, racism, and ableism) counterproductive, annoying, and hypocritical.

The militant vegans I have come across, and being vegan myself, it's a lot, far too many (E: to the point I actively avoid vegan spaces), are almost exclusively drowning in so much privilege, they can't see how ridiculous they're being in their bizarre militancy of policing other people's plates instead of the actual industries abusing animals (and humans, who these vegans rarely to never pay any thought to, not out loud or in their actions, anyway).

(before I even hit send: if you feel personally attacked by my comment - that's a sign for you to think about it with yourself and ideally do something about it, not try and prove me wrong, inevitably proving me 100% right)

IamtheMorgz ,

It’s the privilege thing that gets me every time. Not everyone can participate in your exclusive food club and be healthy and fulfilled. Let people do the best they can with what they have.

ediculous ,

I wonder if being within those circles, you’ve been exposed to certain ugliness on a more intimate level; with people who feel comfortable enough in their in-group to express their more radical thoughts. Anecdotally, I’ve known a few vegans but have never been lectured nor had views pushed on me.

Hell, the only time I ever hear about the radical, pushy vegan is when people complain about them. On the flip side, I’ve been exposed to meat eaters who seem to get offended when someone mentions the concept of veganism, as if someone else not eating animal products is somehow a trigger for them.

Again, all anecdotes here, I’m just figuring one’s exposure to the vocal minorities on either side of the conversation is where you run into the problems.

qevlarr , (edited )
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

Fascinating! Thank you for this article. It exactly describes what’s happening: “oh, you think you’re better than us? I’ll have another steak!”

anakin78z ,
@anakin78z@lemmy.world avatar

This is really easy to test in fairly small social groups. The next time you’re in a group ordering pizza, say you want cheese, because you don’t eat meat. Now watch everyone else order, or change their order to, double meat supreme with bacon. It’s almost like they can’t help themselves. It’s hilarious how easy you can change other people’s behavior.

illi ,

This is by far the most frustrating thing

pearable ,

There’s another factor here. People who are vegan, sober, poly, don’t drive, and any number of choices are breaking societal norms. Most people don’t even think about these things as choices. They do the default. Realizing that there’s a choice, and that this person decided not to do the default, puts people off. It makes them uncomfortable. They begin to question things they’ve never had to evaluate.

Octospider , to asklemmy in Aluminium drawback? Why US still uses so many plastic bottles?

Do you remember when Sun Chips changed their chip bag material to a more environmentally friendly compostable material? People lost their minds. Why? Because the bag crinkled a lot. All of the boring late night talk shows made fun of Sun Chips bags. So, they switched it back to the old bags.

Moral of the story is that people don’t care if something is better for the environment if it inconveniences them now. If everything was in cans people would cry because they can’t close them or whatever. In fact, many items that were previously sold in cans are now plastic. Also, money… Cheaper to wrap water in plastic.

You can still buy Coca-cola in glass bottles if you look hard enough. But they are pricey.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

I got laughed at on other platforms by older generations for even suggesting the notion of mild inconvenience to make future generations lives easier.

They don’t want us or them to have a better life, not even if it costs them nothing - but ESPECIALLY not if they have to do literally anything differently.

falkerie71 ,
@falkerie71@sh.itjust.works avatar

The “fuck you I got mine” mindset. Sigh

WetBeardHairs ,

“fuck you im gonna die before the ramifications for my actions harm anyone”

intensely_human ,

Has anyone ever said that to you?

yoyolll ,

It’s not exclusive to older generations unfortunately.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

but so much worse when it comes from them. The “I got it, and I’ll never see what happens after I die so why do I care” attitude.

frezik ,

This is where I dispair about the future of walkable cities and trains. Can’t even get a section of the population to accept stopping to charge an EV every two hours for a whole 20 minutes during the road trip they take once a month, if that. How can we convince those people to bike or take trains?

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

I’ve given up trying to convince them. They’re a vocal minority. Who I talk to and work with are the quieter ones. I’ve found on posts and comment sections there are people who are asking honest questions and are receptive. Scroll past the chaff and you’ll find them. We have a new train opening in our city and I spent a couple hours explaining to people where parking was available, how to ride it, how to pay for fare, etc. People were genuinely excited to hear that people like me are riding it! A lot of it is just anxiety of never taking transit before, and not knowing how to get started.

Thavron ,
@Thavron@lemmy.ca avatar

So just make aluminium bottles with a cap.

Mouselemming ,

Apparently aluminum is also heavier to ship.

maniii ,

Compared to barrels of crude oil, I am sure a SINGLE Block of Aluminium can be reused more than 1000X times with no environment damage.

Mouselemming ,

Oh I’m sure you are right, it’s the drink companies for whom the shipping expense outweighs the environmental damage, because capitalism.

HelixDab2 ,

I’m curious how much the environmental costs of shipping products in aluminum containers v. lighter plastic containers changes the equation.

I also tend to think that an even better solution would be to have the consumer be the one with the container, and shipping the product in bulk, to be dispensed as a bulk item at a retail location. E.g., the packaging for shipping is the tank that the truck is towing, rather than a trailer full of individual use bottles.

Mouselemming ,

Besides convenience, I think a lot of container waste is also caused by our litigious society. If you pour milk into my container and I later sue you because it makes me sick, you might decide your best defense is to sell all milk in sealed containers. (And if someone poisons some containers, you’ll add tamper-proof layers.)

intensely_human ,

Capitalism could solve this no problem if we just taxed externalities. Don’t even have to hit every level of the supply chain, just a big tax on fossil carbon removed from the ground, and maybe another tax where it gets transformed into plastic (a sort of externality-added tax).

The market then decided what’s still worth making and what’s not, based on the total cost including the new taxes, weighed against how much people are willing to pay for the stuff.

Ptsf ,

It’s also worth noting that transport does not have a zero cost on the environment. It’s why we did away with glass, it’s so heavy it actually becomes carbon intensive to transport. Especially when you account for greater spoilage percentages (due to the glass being mishandled and breaking more often than alternatives). The equation isn’t as simple as it would seem. The true solution is less likely single use drink containers of any kind and more likely some sort of reusable bottle you carry around with you and could fill up.

cobra89 ,

They already do in the US, they sell beer like this. And I’m pretty sure I’ve seen water packaged like this too.

Strayce ,

We don’t have Sun Chips here so I’m not aware of this, but I’d be really curious to learn how much of that freakout was genuine and how much was engineered by entities with a vested interest in maintaining status quo.

AlternateRoute ,

The bags were very noticeably louder and stiffer. Not enough that I would complain but it was something you noticed right away.

You would NOT want to have one in a movie theatre.

MossyFeathers ,

They were extremely loud. That doesn’t mean they should have stopped making them, but people aren’t joking about them being loud.

repungnant_canary , (edited )

youtu.be/HRWelTDdHJM

Certainly loud, but I think the way forward should have been engineering a quieter version instead of going back to plastic. And in the meantime use idk… a bowl?

Edit: use a bowl, meaning put the crisps in the bowl when you open them if the noise bothers you

intensely_human ,

Bowls of chips don’t ship well or work well with shopping

rbos ,
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Paper tubes like Pringles, maybe.

intensely_human ,

Ssssss! We must make the humans use the bad Sun Chips bagssss!

— the entities

KingThrillgore ,
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If you can, get Coca-Cola from Mexico. Its all glass and uses cane sugar.

pingveno ,

Not that it isn’t still junk food and horrible for you. HFCS might be a worse form of sugar, but in the end they’re still refined sugars. It’s worth noting that Mexico and the US have similar obesity rates. There are more factors than just beverages involved, but it is one.

intensely_human ,

That sounds terrible!

dandroid ,

At the time, I thought the Sun chips bag situation was hilarious. If I think back on it now, it’s really sad. Yes, the bag was significantly louder than the original bag. But I feel like we’re going to need to make some sacrifices as a society for the environment. And that seems like a really, really tiny sacrifice.

intensely_human ,

Moral of the story is that people don’t care if something is better for the environment if it inconveniences them now

Another way to put this is we all live in many different environments, including our clothes, room, home, neighborhood, etc

I would water the number one reason for not wanting the crinkle bags is to permit quiet night time snacking so as not to wake others in the house.

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