I mean, just look at The Dimming and tell me that they’re all just stupid idiots who spent money and time on making a 2+ hour documentary, modifying planes to collect cloud samples, analyse and compare the results, etc? For what? Getting rich selling merchandise?
Sure, I’m open to all of them being quacks but I’d really like to have some conclusive counter-evidence.
That’s the basic pattern for most conspiracies anyway. I’m still wondering how the conspiracy theorists expect billionaires will make even more money by cutting the human population to a tiny fraction of its current number. Well, I guess I’m just not smart enough to see the hidden truth or whatever.
Right? Billionaires have an obvious interest in the status quo - that's why getting anything to ever change in ways that mildly inconvenience them is like pulling teeth.
Like others have pointed out in the thread, though: if you're expecting rationality from conspiracy theorists, you've already lost.
it feels like i’m still in /g/ with these types of posts
you went on a tirade about “windows bad, linux (aRcH btW!!!) best” without giving us any relevant information to help you with your “issue”, other than the fact that you can game on your linux gaming laptop. you should’ve told that to your family member to at least try and convince them that gaming on linux is acceptable/good, maybe try to educate them about wine/proton and how performance may not be as good and some minor configurations may be needed, but that you could make it work. But nope.
also seriously, i mainly use linux myself, and i know this is a linux community, but we all know that windows “just works”. it is also literally just a point and click on a gui even on the installer, it’s that easy. reflash/rewrite the iso, or get another iso. that is my guess as to what you’re fucking up
This has got to be bait from that user. The third screen is like the keyboard screen. What the heck are they even talking about. 36 hours to still be in the first three screens.
I want to preface this with noting that I 99% agree with you on this, but to be fair Windows “just works” right up until it doesn’t.
What got me off Windows was how frequently all the UWP-powered system apps (like Screenshot Tool, Calculator, etc.) and even core stuff like Explorer would just have some key functionality just break randomly.
Not implying that programs on Linux don’t also just randomly shit themselves, but to pretend that Windows just works is a bit silly.
We are not ‘dropping’ messages from smaller instances. @ruud and others did tighten up some things to fend off some attacks but that should not interfere with the federation.
If you could have at least mentioned your instance name we could ask our backend administrators to have a look and we could get back to you with an informed answer.
We will not close registrations, what we will do is show people information on how the fediverse works and give them the option to register on other instances. That will be implemented in the next couple of days.
Instead of mentioning your instance so we can help you you seem to have other motives.
Edit: but if you want the logic. We had discussions internally as well as with other instance admins about this and the conclusion was - even from other instance admins - that closing registrations would be a bad idea. Currently a lot of people are sent to lemmy.world from reddit and 3rd party apps for example. If people land here and are not able to register they might not look into it further and give up because it is too complicated or overwhelming. So that would actually be worse for the fediverse. That is why we want to make the sign up page more informative and provide options.
If people land here and are not able to register they might not look into it further and give up because
Sorry, that’s a really bad excuse. Lemmy allows to have custom messages/taglines on the registration page, why not just add a quick paragraph saying “registration is closed because this server is overwhelmed, but here is a list of servers that you can use”.
Make it a rotating list, change it every 2-3 days if you want.
It’s the attacks. The amount of users or communities is not the problem but there are people who want us to close down (registrations) for a variety of reasons.
Well he didn’t implement IP bans on his instance I bet. The reason I asked for this information is so I could check if your IP ended up on our banlist or check if it was marked as inactive.
Not being able to help someone who is refusing to provide technical detail is a pretty damn good excuse in this industry.
If your goal is to expose the bad excuses of others, step one is to put in as much effort as you're expecting from others. :P
Edit for good measure: (links fixed, forgot about direct linking comments from outside of a lemmy instance)
Your instance was not federating with lemmy.world. [1]
You assumed that the blame had to rest on lemmy.world because you had "eliminate[d] all the possibilities [you] had at hand". [2]
You made this post to vent about a bunch of unrelated nonsense and refused to provide technical detail that would assist the admins in troubleshooting. It's a given fact that your privacy is your choice, but it's also a given that you shouldn't be a dick about it if you choose to withhold details, even from PM. For the record, the information being requested was the bare minimum for an instance administrator to troubleshoot network interactions with a remote instance.
A random (but cool) third party identified the issue with your instance not federating. [3]
Instead of apologizing, you proceeded to act like you were entitled to that solution from the admins you wrongly accused. [4] You are not god's gift to the internet and they are not technical support for your instance.
There's no room for niceties here, you are either an asshole in denial or some brat who is too young to know any better. Sleep on it. Come to terms with that fact and make good on it, or don't. You aren't worth anyone's energy, and I'm only bothering with this summary for everyone else's sake. Your problem is fixed, it was never on lemmy.world's side to begin with, and somehow you are still acting like the failure of the admins to figure out what was busted with your shit is some Sherlock gotcha moment.
I am unaffiliated with lemmy.world and my toxicity does not represent the opinions of the admins. (but they're probably thinking it)
I get the feeling that you've never been in charge of UX before. What you're suggesting would be an absolutely terrible user experience. You have to realize that not everybody is as interested in new things as you or I might be, so even the smallest of hurdles will be prohibitive for most users.
You know what else is an even worse user experience? When people are basically forced to assimilate with the Borg instead of being able to participate from their own side of things, through no fault of their own.
Dude, you’ve been asked at least ten times now (I stopped counting when I reached ten) if you’ve addressed your technical problem with the admins here. Ten times (or, likely, many more) you’ve avoided answering that question which implies, naturally, that you have not.
You’re not interested in solving a problem. You’re interested in being “right”, even if you’re utterly, completely, and inescapably in the wrong.
Go back to your instance and flail your arms like a toddler in a tantrum over there, please. Or, you know, work with the admins to solve your problem where it actually exists instead of where the voices in your head are telling you it is.
Instead of counting, try reading. It’s not about “the technical problem”. It’s about the fact that my instance:
has not done anything wrong
is wrongly being cut off with communication from half of the whole fediverse
the admins don’t see any problem with this erratic growth and the ripple effects is causing elsewhere
I am literally getting told by the majority to “go back where I came from”.
Let me see if I can it myself clear: If lemmy.world was 10-20% of the whole userbase, I wouldn’t have to care about them. But because they are growing so much and don’t seem to be intent of self-regulating, their growing pains is causing problems to those in the minority instances.
I don’t mind repeating it or trying to find different ways to explain it, but the point I’d like you all to understand is that lemmy.world needs to organize itself before focusing on further growth, and this is why I am asking to close the registrations.
Why do I get the feeling that your instance probably had some hateful shit on it and you're upset that nobody wants to see it? It seems like you're not telling the whole story here. Can you please be honest and share the details about what the hell it is you're actually getting at?
That is completely off the mark, but it’s interesting: lemmy.world’s approach to growth is reckless and causing issues elsewhere, someone is calling it out, and yet you are trying to make this about me instead of addressing the problem that am pointing out.
Nobody can help with the problem, though, when you won't share any details. Maybe I'm way off, like you said, but you won't elaborate as to how, so what takeaway do you expect people to have here?
Sorry, I am starting to get tired of repeating myself. Can you go through my history and see the 3 or 4 comments where I am arguing that the main point of my post is not specifically about the technical issue that is affecting me, but instead a larger point about how this idea that letting one instance grow and dominating the userbase while having so many issues is irresponsible?
The only solution for you is “close registrations” while the admins already pointed out another solution that’s in the works. For someone who says he doesn’t want to keep repeating yourself you did that plenty. You want YOUR solution, not A solution.
Let’s make a deal. If they manage to bring this down to less than ~35% after two weeks after they implement their solution, then I will shut up about it and you never hear from me. If they don’t, then they close registrations. Sounds reasonable?
Nice jab! Now can you please address the argument? If changing the registration page is a good solution, what should be the expected change in userbase split?
People aren’t going to go to other instances if they close LW. They’re going to go back to Reddit or Twitter or whatever platform they came from. Adding additional barriers to entry is not a good thing.
I’d bet 75%+ of the people on the platform don’t really understand or care about federation. They want something that works. And outside of the DDOS/Attacks LW has worked extremely well. Decentralization isn’t a perk to most users.
As the fediverse scales 100k user instances aren’t going to be uncommon, and that’s fine. LW is serving as a pseudo test bed and it’s exposed a lot of problems that would not otherwise get fixed.
Can we please stop pretending that this is being done for the good of the people? If the people are “going back to reddit” because they are not being spoon-fed and getting their food pre-chewed, then they are robbing themselves of the opportunity to learn and grow.
Stop treating everyone like helpless idiots, and the majority of them will show that they are actually quite capable.
Most people are helpless idiots. This is giving off major “iamverysmart” vibes. The majority of users will not bother with poor UX. If they encounter barriers to entry they won’t go around them, they just won’t enter. If we ever want even a minority of users to adopt the platform you have to make it an easy experience.
Edit: Also great job not addressing any of the actual points in my comment. You managed to find the tiniest offhand comment that you could write a rebuttal for and ignored the rest, just as you have in every other comment in the thread. Your goal is to argue, not to get your problem solved
Perfectly fair. People coming from Reddit specifically need to be eased into the fediverse and saying "whoops sorry we're full / closed" isn't great.
Ideally if we want things balanced people should be on multiple instances but I'd rather several slower, bigger instances in the meantime until the community expands.
“If you could have at least mentioned your instance name we could ask our backend administrators to have a look and we could get back to you with an informed answer.”
Try answering their request. Stop going on about registrations, at least until the above is resolved.
let us know which instance (even by pm) do we can have an informed reply as to what is going on. There have been changes made in the backend to fend of attacks but this should not affect federation.
There is a bug in Lemmy where instances are too early marked as ‘inactive’ and will stop federating.
Btw the title of this thread is ‘stop registrations’ not ‘help me find out what is going on’.
People hear from others that Lemmy is the place you go and when searched for you end up here. Having registrations closed doesn't sound like a great idea when most people have no idea about the fediverse
I agree with you. I chose Lemmy.World because it was listed as a general instance and the others were very specific and I was still trying to navigate what the Fediverse even was. If Lemmy.World hadn’t been an option I would probably have stuck to Squabbles or Kbin.
Same, I started with Lemmy.world to begin with because I didn’t really understand the fediverse and didn’t want to go through choosing. After I understood federation more I set up my own instance. If I didn’t start with Lemmy.world I probably wouldn’t have tried Lemmy at all.
As for why I am not naming my instance: this post went to -1 as soon as it got posted. My comments are also being downvoted quite quickly. I don’t believe that I am being rude or uncivil, yet it feels like mods and admins are more worried about fighting to keep the status quo than helping the community at large, and I’d worry about retaliation.
I mean, you named your account "you are hurting the fediverse" to come and ask them to close registrations then you ignore their questions. Seems kinda rude to me.
The reason you’re being downvoted is because you experienced a problem (Posts from your instance won’t show up in this instance), came up with a pet theory for why that problem might be happening (This instance must be dropping posts from small instances because it’s overloaded from all the users), assumed it was correct (Based on what, exactly? Because it’s definitely not correct), then came here to post about it in a very confrontational, demanding, and accusatory tone, with a seeming lack of desire or ability to consider that you may be the mistaken one. Moreso, the change you’re suggesting would have dramatic and perhaps negative repercussions for both this instance and Lemmy as a whole.
I did eliminate all the possibilities I had at hand.
The only one that offered some hint at a solution was not related to this instance, and was not demanding to know my instance beforehand.
The stated reason given to not close registrations fails any smell test.
perhaps negative repercussions for both this instance and Lemmy as a whole.
AKA, “we are too big to fail”?
I’m too old for internet drama and I think that if we want the fediverse to win we need to be a lot more mindful of the collective and avoid tribal thinking. But honestly, this shit with lemmy.world is starting to get a bit weird. I mean, the lemmy devs were recommending from the beginning to not have overly large instances, yet the admins here kept ignoring this and hoarding more people. What is the endgame?
100% of this drama was self-inflicted. You could have PMed an admin describing your problem and asking if they knew what was up. They seem like pretty helpful and reasonable people to me.
AKA, “we are too big to fail”?
Doesn’t really follow from any of what anyone has said - we’re not talking about lemmy.world failing, we’re talking about it closing registration. The one thing Lemmy needs to survive long-term is more active users. Putting up barriers to that, especially on the most popular instance, will hurt growth for the entire lemmyverse - because if there’s one thing new users implicitly don’t understand, it’s how federation works. A decent portion of people who try to sign up and fail will just give up and go back to reddit, and we’re all worse-off for it.
Not to mention that most people who do successfully join figure out how federation works pretty fast, and are more than capable of moving to another instance if they consider any of what you’ve mentioned important to them at all.
The one thing Lemmy needs to survive long-term is more active users.
They don’t need to be in the same instance
because if there’s one thing new users implicitly don’t understand, it’s how federation works.
Then we take that as an opportunity to educate them instead of tricking them out into believing that it is a good idea to put them all in the same server.
A decent portion of people who try to sign up and fail will just give up and go back to reddit
They will also go back to reddit if they join a server that is constantly having outages.
No one, not even the lemmy.world admins, are suggesting that. In this very thread they’ve mentioned imminent plans to educate new users about other instances during the sign-up process.
Then we take that as an opportunity to educate them instead of tricking them out into believing that it is a good idea to put them all in the same server.
Nobody is being tricked here, and you need a seriously warped view of the situation to think otherwise.
They will also go back to reddit if they join a server that is constantly having outages.
You’re still making the same incorrect assumption that your original post made, that the stability issues are even tangentially related to user count instead of ongoing attacks. But again - new users figure out federation within a few days. If the outages bother them they’re smart enough to know they can try a different instance and now likely have the experience needed to know which one may be the best fit for them.
You’re still making the same incorrect assumption that your original post made, that the stability issues are even tangentially related to user count instead of ongoing attacks.
The issue is not causation, but correlation. Any entity that stands out in an otherwise distributed system are more likely to become a target. Can you agree to that?
I can agree to that, but I can not and will not agree to the implication that the solution is simply to have no large instances. Federation has a lot of strengths, but it has a lot of weaknesses as well - there are drawbacks to large instances, but there are lots of benefits too, to both the instance and Lemmy as a whole, and closing new registrations invalidates that.
will not agree to the implication that the solution is simply to have no large instances.
The instance is already large as it is. Closing down registrations will not reduce the size of the instance. It will just stop it from growing even more and it would give a chance for other instances to help spread the load.
Closing registrations will reduce the size because users are dynamic: New users join and old users leave with any system. Close registration and you’re left with only old users leaving.
I also disagree with the implicit argument that lemmy.world is “large enough”. It’s large compared to most other instances - but in terms of long-term stability I think the lemmyverse needs at least 10x the active user count it currently has and ideally much more than that. They don’t all have to join lemmy.world, but closing the registration page for the most popular onboarding point for the lemmyverse is going to slow growth no matter how you implement it.
Closing registrations to “spread the load” also comes with the assumption that server load from active users is a problem. By all accounts it is not a problem, at all, for lemmy.world. If a time comes where there are so many users that it is, maybe they’ll consider something like this.
going to slow growth no matter how you implement it.
First, slowing down growth != stopping growth.
Second, your idea of “growth” seems to imply that we should accept systemic disruptions to the people that are already here. To illustrate the point: assume that the reason that my instance got blocked is indeed because the IP got into some banlist. Through no fault of my own and no change of behavior on my side, I’m now locked out of the conversation with 50% of the Lemmy userbase. Do you think that’s it’s wise/reasonable?
Closing registrations to “spread the load” also comes with the assumption that server load from active users is a problem.
No, that’s not my point. My point is that if one server fucks up, the others don’t get locked out of communication with 50% of the userbase. Closing down registrations would reduce the split.
Think of it in this way… if lemmy.world has 50/60/70% of the userbase and if for some reason it gets disconnected from the fediverse, the admins can just shrug it off and say “oopsie, we will try to fix it whenever, in the meantime come and join us because it works here.” The minority gets screwed, but there is little incentive for the majority to care. On the other hand, if lemmy.world has “only” 15-30% of the userbase and there are other servers of similar size, if lemmy.world screws up, it will be in their interest to fix it.
Do you understand it now, and do you understand why me having to create an account here in order to be able to make myself heard is so disturbing?
I disagree that just having large instances, in and of itself, is a problem.
the second part
Slowing growth is still a gigantic downside when growth is one of the most important needs for the platform.
For your scenario: You could argue that this is actually a good thing from your perspective. You realized there was a problem because lemmy.world is so big. If most instances were of equal size you likely wouldn’t have noticed there was a problem at all. I’m willing to bet there are other instances you have the same problem with and just haven’t noticed because of how much smaller they are - but lemmy.world’s size helps bring problems like this to light, so they can be fixed.
the third part
That would be spreading the power, rather than spreading the load, on a semantic note.
I don’t disagree with this section in principle - but I do still disagree that the solution is to close registrations. The admins have already stated they have plans to inform new users about other instances during the registration process, and soon. That’s a good faith effort and a good middle ground.
the last part
You having to create an account here isn’t because lemmy.world is too large - it’s because of software issues. You mentioned elsewhere that you made a post from your own instance about the problem (I assume in this community, otherwise why would you expect that to work?) - but if your problem was that content from your instance wasn’t showing up in lemmy.world, I’m not really sure why you expected that to work. It’s not disturbing that you had to create an account here, because you would have had to do so even in the hypothetical scenario where there are, say, 20 main instances with about 4.5% of the active userbase each.
If most instances were of equal size you likely wouldn’t have noticed there was a problem at all.
If I haven’t noticed the problem, is it really a problem?
I can live in a world where I’m out of reach from maybe 20% of the potential audience, and maybe I wouldn’t mind it if I noticed that a workaround was required for that. But I do very much mind having to live in a world where I have to be checking with the admins what the hell is going on and why I am shut off from communication with the majority through no fault of my own.
That’s a good faith effort and a good middle ground.
Sorry, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Saying “we are the largest and easiest place to get started, but if you don’t believe us here are some other places you can take a look” is completely different from “our home is full now, but the cool thing about the fediverse is that you can enjoy it wherever you are”.
Having the inability of saying “we can’t do it, but you can be happy on X, Y and Z” feels like a twisted way of saying “we don’t really care about you, we care about having you”.
Anyway, thank you for at least trying to engage in a productive conversation. Everyone else seems to just want to feel personally attacked and completely missing the point.
If I haven’t noticed the problem, is it really a problem?
I can live in a world where I’m out of reach from maybe 20% of the potential audience, and maybe I wouldn’t mind it if I noticed that a workaround was required for that. But I do very much mind having to live in a world where I have to be checking with the admins what the hell is going on and why I am shut off from communication with the majority through no fault of my own.
…Yes, it’s still a problem 👀 I can’t believe that needs to be said - stability is nice but reliability is also very important. It’s not good to have entire instances be effectively shadowbanned because of software issues.
While it was through no fault of your own, I’d also like to point out it was through no fault of lemmy.world, since the issue was that your instance was failing to federate to lemmy.world, and not the other way around. Neither the problem nor the fix was ever on lemmy.world’s side.
Sorry, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Saying “we are the largest and easiest place to get started, but if you don’t believe us here are some other places you can take a look” is completely different from “our home is full now, but the cool thing about the fediverse is that you can enjoy it wherever you are”.
We’ll keep disagreeing here as well - because it’s not accurate to say lemmy.world is full, nor is it accurate to say lemmy.world is positioning itself as somehow superior to or easier to start with than other instances. Its signup page literally has no text at all other than naming the information fields. Every single page on lemmy.world also has a direct link to join-lemmy.org in the lower right, where lemmy.world isn’t even listed as a recommended instance - just a popular one, in a randomized order list. Even the “Get started” guide in the lemmy.world sidebar takes a completely neutral tone about this instance, explains federation, and links to a site that lists other instances. The success of lemmy.world has nothing to do with bias or unfair practices. I’d wager it’s 90% word-of-mouth.
stability is nice but reliability is also very important.
Reliability of the system overall? Yes. But reliability in distributed systems is achieved by ensuring that we don’t have single points of failure and by making it “cheap” to fail. Having a gigantic instance in a sea of powerless nodes is quite the opposite of “reliable”.
since the issue was that your instance was failing to federate to lemmy.world.
The issue still persists. I updated the database 3 hours ago, my posts are still not visible here. @Antik claims it might be that my server got into their own “ban list”, which would squarely would make it their fault because (a) other nodes are not doing this and (b) I didn’t make any change on my server infra.
because it’s not accurate to say lemmy.world is full
Yes, it is. It’s not up to them to say it. It’s up to us in the minority side to go on and say “hey, you are taking up too much space”. Which they are.
The success of lemmy.world has nothing to do with bias or unfair practices.
That’s a cop-out. They literally launched their instance on a blog post saying “you already know us from mastodon.world and we want to make lemmy.world equally popular.”
I’d wager it’s 90% word-of-mouth.
If that is true and if they wanted to be responsible with the fediverse, they could (should?) be actively suppressing it, much like lemmy.ml admins did during the reddit blackout.
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I think I get it, in the end of the day you can argue “you can not blame them for their own success”, and normally I’d agree. I am just seriously asking you (and the admins) to reconsider this idea of what “success” is (especially in the context of the fediverse) and I would really like if they could stop for a moment and see of they could to get themselves out of the spotlight in the moment where their “success” is leading to undesired side-effects on others.
If you’re too old for internet drama, why are you starting it? There’s more mature ways to go about this than petitioning to have an instance that isn’t yours shut down registration.
You also don’t seem willing to work with the admins to figure out what is really wrong.
If you have an issue, take it up with the admins privately before jumping to conclusions and starting a petition that doesn’t even do anything except cause drama.
petitioning to have an instance that isn’t yours shut down.
First, I am not talking about shutting the instance down, I talking about closing down registrations - at least until their stability issues are solved.
Second, do you understand that (to an outsider) what this instance is doing is akin to environmental pollution? Of course the petition will come from someone who is “not from here”, because those are the ones that end up being affected by it!
So now youre changing your excuses. And you still didn’t address the root of all the drama you’re causing. Good job avoiding any kind of personal responsibility for all the drama and creating even more. Have you gone to lemmy.ml and demanded the same thing? What about beehaw? What about any other instance than this one? Maybe you should just defed from this instance instead of demanding a bunch of stuff that may not even help your original issue. Or any of the other issues you keep bringing up.
Again, did you even try to contact the admins prior to this? Did you ask the devs of lemmy for assistance? Did you do anything other than make up excuses in your head to hate lemmy.world?
Edit: You’re probably making all this stuff up since you don’t want to address anything.
Have you gone to lemmy.ml and demanded the same thing?
I don’t have to, the lemmy.ml admins themselves are telling others to join other instances and are doing their part to make sure that the system works.
Maybe you should just defed?
Do you realize that my complaint is because this is exactly what is happening in practice against my own desires? I can see (most) of the messages that come to my instance, but any message that I am write on my instance never shows up here.
may not even help your original issue.
My “original issue” is just a symptom of a larger problem: there is one instance in the fediverse that is growing in a dysfunctional way, like a tumor, and this is causing systemic faults elsewhere. There is a way that this instance could help mitigate this problem (close down registrations until it is better organized and/or there are other instances that can withstand the growth as well) yet the admins have refused to take this measure with (IMHO, seemingly) poor justifications.
Again, did you even try to contact the admins prior to this?
Actually, yes, I wrote a post from my instance hoping it would reach here.
You’re probably making all this stuff up since you don’t want to address anything.
I am really not interested in doxxing myself. Would you blame me, given that I’m apparently in the weak end of a confrontation with a tiny mob?
Let me repeat. My instance not being to communicate with this is a symptom of a much larger issue: lemmy.world is growing in an unsustainable and irresponsible way, and this is bringing systemic risks to the system as a whole.
So, no, the post is not about “dropped comments”. The post is hopefully a wake-up call to tell you that this attitude of “let’s keep bringing users no matter what” is cancerous.
And yes, I did say something to that before in previous interactions, and the response was not that different from this post: a myopic defensiveness, perhaps based on their personal belief that what they are doing is good/ethical, even when others are crying out “this way will bring us all to chaos”.
If they support you, then come together as a group and address the admins
Honest question: how many different admins do you think it would take for you to consider changing your mind about it?
since you say you contacted the admins directly, post the proof,
If I post any proof, I’d be doxxing myself and it should be clear by now that I won’t do that. The last time I said “hey, maybe you should slow down growth”, I was met with the implication that I was saying that out of personal interest.
So, no. I will not let the admins try to deflect from their irresponsible attitude by trying to make some character assassination.
Yeah, I’ve got no dog in this fight but you do seem to be coming across as a bit of a dingus.
In my work, when someone comes to me and assumes I or my team is screwing up because they “eliminated all possibilities at hand” 90% of the time, they screwed up and didn’t realize it.
People rarely make mistakes knowingly. Quite often there’s something they didn’t know or overlooked. If I had to wager, my money would be on you overlooking some small detail.
I mean, another easy example, you’re taking downvotes as some sign the mods and admins are fighting to maintain the status quo, instead of, y’know, you might be coming off as a bit of a dick…
In my work, when someone comes to me and assumes I or my team is screwing up because they “eliminated all possibilities at hand” 90% of the time, they screwed up and didn’t realize it.
Yeah, at that point the onus is on the person putting forth the problem to show their work. Start listing off possibilities that you've eliminated. You can have thirty years of technical experience and still be completely useless by assuming that you're just as smart as the person you're explaining the problem to.
"I did eliminate all the possibilities I had at hand"? Naw man, anyone dropping that line has only eliminated all possibilities that they can think of, and all of that supposed thinking about "all the possibilities" is worthless if they aren't going to offer it up as a starting point.
Well, herein lies the problem, because the rest of us do. You're assuming that you know better than the people who have been doing this for years, and dismissing their attempts to help as "excuses". I really don't know what other outcome you could have possibly foreseen with this combative attitude.
Dude. You’re literally naming yourself “you are hurting the fediverse”. How 'bout I go to your instance and call myself “@youareafuckingmoron” and ask you politely to change something on your instance? Would you think it just a wee tad uncivil?
Maybe the reason is that you behave like a first-class asshole idiot? You wanted help, but evaded the reasonable question for your instance name. Several times. While making unreasonable demands. I've seen a lot of idiots in thirty years of being on the internet, and seriously, you are one of the bigger ones.
I mean, you are demanding something in a very unrespectful way, without considering the negative impact that could have in the grow of the fedi as a whole, and say that any reason why you could be wrong is an excuse that you need to adress. But it must be the admins who need to mantain the status quo if you get downvoted. I think you are not being very self aware.
Would be nice if you could mention more instances than the top 5. The way things look right now, Lemmy is becoming centralized with all communities and users on a handful of servers.
Another thing to keep in mind is that when an instance goes down you lose the content. Instances should be reliable too. So just listing any random instance and overloading them would not help either. Imagine running a private instance for yourself and some friends and getting randomly listed on the signup page here…
I don’t think small instances have a reliability problem. They actually lack users right now. And of course you wouldn’t sign every new person up to the same instance, because that is against the entire point of the technology here.
I seriously believe it would be much better for the Lemmy network to spread people out on the existing instances.
Which is why we will adjust our sign-up page. But not every small instance wants new users because that would increase operating costs which they might not be willing to cover.
No that is caused by instance owners not closing registrations when their instance is full.
It’s a lot of common sense actually in how Lemmy software is built. You can choose to upgrade your instance or you can close registrations if the load becomes too big.
It’s up to the instance owner how to deal with that, given the chance.
I think it’s more a case of long-term reliability than day-to-day reliability. Anyone can create a lemmy instance - including people who may lack the resources or long-term motivation to keep their instance on the internet for basically forever. That’s definitely going to be a much smaller risk with the more established instances - though I’m sure we’ll eventually have a lot of drama over some instance or another in the top 10 shutting down.
I don’t disagree with what you said, but I am more risk-averse than you are about it. I think it would be best in the long term to list servers with a proven dedication to the long-term existence and health of the community. This doesn’t necessarily mean the top 5, or even the top X, but it does mean excluding a server hosted on a laptop in someone’s closet with 8 users, or instances from completely unknown in the community admins that have existed for a month.
I'm not seeing dropped messages. I can see that a comment in this thread made it through just fine. However, I am seeing since around 09:30 yesterday that get requests for comments (and maybe other activities) are being responded to with 400 "not_logged_in". I've quite a few messages in error queue stacking up because of this.
It's a federation message. For example I receive a federated like message, and so my instance fetches the comment (and all parent comments) if not already present in my DB. It has the correct headers to be activitypub. So it should be allowed.
Jury selection usually involves asking the prospective jurors various questions, with the lawyers on each side being allowed to dismiss jurors they think will be biased.
jury selection is a very tedious process where every juror is interviewed by the judge and possibly both sides. They get whittled down by the court before being fully assigned, and then the prosecution and defense get to boot a certain number of jurors.
advising on jury selection is actually very lucrative business with both sides dishing out massive amounts of cash to make those checks.
in any case, in this situation, it’s not that they’re looking for unbiased jurors, it’s that they’re looking to balance out the biases of the individual jurors with jurors of apposing bias. I mean, you’d have to be living under a rock at this point to not have a bias as far as trump is concerned.
They are. One is the prosecutor and the other is the defense.
Judges normally follow a very strict procedure on who to kick, like people that may have worked for trump or family, etc, so it’s at least supposed to be objective. The lawyers are the ones sorting subjectively
What if you die stepping out of the shower? All choices have consequences and nothing is perfect, at some point you have to accept that certain things are not and cope anyway.
The problem with Trump is that he’s a known quantity to anyone who has lived on Earth for the last 50 years. He’s a compulsive liar, literally about everything and a vile, disgusting person, as well.
Knowing that, I would find it impossible to “just consider the facts” and believe that maybe . . . just maybe, this is the one time he’s telling the truth.
Just because you don’t agree with him doesn’t make what he says a lie. Biden has been caught lying nonstop about his son’s business and I’ll bet that you’re just fine with it.
Not who you responded to, but while most politicians grift a bit, Trump has been shown to grift his base like there’s no tomorrow. I recall that there was fine print on one of the “donate to stop the steal” campaigns that signed people up for recurring donations when they thought they were making a one-time contribution. The mountain of evidence, and your trying to defend him, robs you of any credibility.
Nobody’s ignoring it. There’s plenty of room to investigate that too. Corruption of any source SHOULD be confronted and removed regardless of affiliation, but that wasn’t the point of the exercise. Besides, your assumption of my lack of morals from a single reply (and regarding a what-aboutism to boot) is just another logical fallacy. There’s more of them too if you’re looking for more ways to be an unreasonable contrarian online.
No one gives a shit about Hunter Biden outside the Fox News bubble, guy. As for me, having a son who does drugs with sex workers is about the last thing for which I hate Joe Biden.
I don’t understand why, when people talk about what a dirtbag Trump is, so many people respond with, “Yeah, but person X is also a dirtbag.” Like yeah, so? That’s beside the point of this conversation. That person is also a dirtbag. Why don’t you start a thread to talk about that?
Just going to leave this list here of about 30,000 lies Trump told while in office. None of these are a matter of opinion, all verifiable untruths by public record.
I won’t deny Biden lies too, he’s a politician they all lie. But Trump was on another level.
Thankfully we put career criminals, well-known in their communities, who people have heard of, on trial all the time. Could you imagine if “I’m too famous as a dirtbag to be tried by a jury of my peers” was a defense?
Absolutely right. “Impartial” doesn’t mean you’ve never heard of the person, or never seen them on the news, or don’t live near them, or have no opinion of them, or haven’t heard or believe things about what they’ve done. It means just what you said, that whoever is picked will be able to listen to the evidence presented by both sides and make a decision based on that evidence. Apparently a huge number of people believe this is functionally impossible for humans to do, which is pretty sad if you’ve let your politics overwhelm your reason to such a degree that you think no one else can be objective either.
It’s a classic shithead defense to try and tell a judge “the paper did a piece on my crimes and everyone read it, so I can’t get a fair trial!!” Well guess what, that never works, for anyone, ever. There is no such thing as “too famous” for justice, there is no such thing as “too infamous” for justice. And there is no such thing as “the vast majority of people in NY and DC and GA hate me so badly because of who I am and what I’ve done that no one in those states can be allowed to judge me for my acts.”
It works though, most of my YT consumption is from the ATV feed of Smart Tube Next in my Shield TV home screen I barely ever access YT from my mobile or desktop.
And I have found good content there, I usually just skip annoying thumbnails, but even those can have good content, badly promoted ofc, so you never know what you will find there.
I started with subscriptions and now I like both methods, they’re complementary. The algorithm is really good at suggesting either random stuff I like or new stuff I might like. And I subscribe for stuff I know I’ll want to watch no matter what. Works pretty well!
No one is going to post news/articles here and then discuss them as they would in a regular post. It won’t get bumped up on the subscribed page if something interesting happens. Most of the comments here are going be about the megathread itself.
So this is effectively banning all the discussion concerning all of his companies. Which might be something you want to do, every community can decide for itself what kind of stuff they want to forbid after all. But I feel like it should be said directly, not via making a catch-all megathread.
Everybody’s subscribe page is different. It will get bumped in active and new comments on Lemmy as I understand them. This feels like the intended use case for those sorts.
Whether or not it intended that way, that is not how people browse. Most people just sort by “hot“ - the default - and doomscroll all day. There is nothing to incentivize people sorting by new/active comments so no one will.
Ok? It’s the default just like Reddit. We have a massive migration of people from Reddit operating like they’re still on Reddit because they’re on a site that’s meant to be a replacement for…Reddit. And one day it won’t be flawed/broken I imagine.
I really am not interested in discussing this with someone who is so eager to discount someone’s point because they use a different side of fediverse tbh.
I see posts on the daily talking about better sort options than hot. I think it is you who is less familiar with the diversity of the fediverse. Remember, my original comment was:
I’m not interested in dismissing your feedback, but I do kind of agree with the point made by person you’re responding to (I don’t agree with the rhetoric).
By sorting by hot, I get a lot of low-engagement posts with 5-20 upvotes and 0 comments. It’s just not the kind of content I want on my feed. And while this is all anecdotal, Lionir also responded to you with (hopefully honest) confirmation that active > hot for most users.
Which doesn’t solve the issue at all. It’s just trading problems. It biases new content just like Reddit’s karma algo did. Same problem, different flavor.
Memmy, which at least anecdotally seems like the most popular app for Lemmy, definitely sorts by hot. I guess I should not have assumed that Lemmy does that.
I like “active” sort specifically because it biases new comments on posts, instead of new posts, so that if people keep talking on a post, or if an old post gets an unexpected rush of comment activity, it’ll stay on my homepage. It makes the homepage move slower, makes post success much less dependent on its exact timing vs peak lemmy usage, and it lets discussions last longer, and lets people participate in discussions longer than immediately after the post goes up. Gives everything a more patient feel.
And imo may indeed mitigate the problems some are fearing with megathreads based on how they could be on reddit sometimes.
None of that will stop the chilling effect this functional ban is creating. Notice not a single post/comment about Musk, Twitter/X, Tesla, and SpaceX has gone up yet they claim we were basically drowning in them prior. So if we were, why aren't they happening here now? The answer is: No one will bother.
I don't love Musk and frankly I'd like to see less but it also takes me less than a fraction of a second to scroll past it. This change will not lead to them being aggregated in one place, it will simply mean the topic disappears entirely. If that's what the community wants so be it but this wishful thinking that it won't have the chilling effect I'm mentioning here is, well, wishful thinking.
I get the point they’re making, and I agree with most of the piece, but I’m not sure I’d frame it as Musk’s “mistakes,” because he literally won the game. He became the richest person on earth. By our society’s standards, that’s like the very definition of success.
Our economy is like quidditch. There are all these rules for complicated gameplay, but it doesn’t actually matter, because catching the snitch is the entire game. Musk is very, very bad at all the parts of the economy except for being a charlatan and a liar, which is capitalism’s version of the seeker. Somehow, he’s very good at that, and so he wins, even though he has literally no idea how to do anything else.
edit: fix typo!
edit2: since this struck a chord, here’s my theory of Elon Musk. Tl;dr: I think his success comes from offering magical technical solutions to our political and social problems, allowing us to continue living an untenable status quo.
the quidditch metaphor is particularly apt. in the game, while the seekers are chasing the golden snitch (which is mostly separate from the main game), the rest of the players - the chasers and the beaters - are busy trying to score goals by getting the quaffle through the rings at each end of the pitch. and (as we read in the books) since quidditch games can last days or even weeks, catching the snitch doesn’t necessarily guarantee a win as, during that time, the opposing team may have scored enough points to offer the snitch’s 150-point value.
and, while the seekers represent billionaire CEOs like musk, the beaters and seekers scoring goals represent the managers and laborers trying to make a profit.
In the lead up to the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar, the government published a formal list of every recognized ethnic group in the country to specifically exclude the Rohingya. This allowed them to paint the group as “illegal immigrants from Bangladesh” (despite having been in the country for centuries), remove their citizenship and thus their rights to education and work.
A huge reason I’d assume is soviet occupants in post-soviet countries. Correct me if I’m wrong here, many of Russians from soviet era living in Baltics with no Russian citizenship and haven’t applied and passed local citizenship, are stateless. This is due to requirements like knowing the local language
Okay, my initial reading of these numbers were that the Americas must be shit at accepting people, then I did a short wiki dive and it has this:
Jus soli in many cases helps prevent statelessness.[11] Countries that have acceded to the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness are obligated to grant nationality to people born in their territory who would otherwise become stateless persons.[12][a] The American Convention on Human Rights similarly provides that “Every person has the right to the nationality of the state in whose territory he was born if he does not have the right to any other nationality.”[11]
And now I’m thinking maybe the numbers are so low in a good way?
Yeah that is a fair point, hopefully as it seems like people on Lemmy & Kbin are more active than Reddit users, we should hopefully see these communities grow a lot more to the point of passing Reddit numbers.
I see the point but I'd personally rather start asking the questions, whose answers have been deleted off of Reddit, here to build up a new (hopefully fireproof) Library of Alexandria.
For me personally for mundane-ish questions, searching the web-archive for a snapshot that still had the answer is too much a hassle and not as future proof. If a snapshot of that specific question even existed in the first place.
I do have to say that I've seen such replaced comments at least 3 times in the wild by now which is way more than I expected at first. It's a loss for sure but I do have to appreciate that some people actually followed through to such an extend.
Good, the less traffic Reddit gets the better. If someone has a question then the answer can get reposted, or WayBack can be checked. So long as Reddit doesn’t get the web traffic.
If by a good chunk you mean <0.1% of their content, I agree. The majority of Reddit users did not care to migrate, and many that did migrate didn’t delete their old content
That’s kind of the fun of it, though. I used to love reading insane fascists and incel subreddits before they all were b7. It was just so fascinating to me that people like that exist.
Lol yeah a “reeducation” camp where death penalty is the result of failing to pass is pretty fascisistic, sorry to disappoint but you share things in common.
Yeah, always blows me away how willing people are to call for crimes against humanity for groups they don’t like. I mean, I find nazis to be ridiculous and terrible, but throwing people into re-education camps and executing them if they don’t convert to your worldview? That’s like reading 1984 as an instruction manual lol.
Read that as a personal attack instead of a quote when it popped up in my alerts, and was very confused about what I did lol.
But yeah, when your plan is to execute a group because you find their beliefs repugnant, you’ve become the villain in the scenario. The solution to the paradox of tolerance definitely isn’t genocide.
It’s neither, it’s a rhetorical “you”. Should’ve been clearer about that, sorry.
The thing about the paradox of tolerance is that the intolerance mentioned there is not regular bigotry. It’s quite specifically about a threat to the marketplace of ideas.
I got your stupid joke (you’re comparing me to Hitler and fascism which isn’t the same thing as authoritarianism, read a book), but you clearly didn’t get mine so “wooosh” to you too.
The problem with providing them a platform on your server is that no one else will want to be there. And no one else needs to be there because there’s a thousand other instances with decent moderation policies.
Counting calories/macros is good thing to do to zero your brain in on what foods contribute what - it's honestly quite surprising and informative to do. But, doing it constantly is kinda obsessive and annoying. Same applies here too.
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