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vzq , to lemmyshitpost in Mamma mia

So straight up prejudice today?

Great.

gregor OP ,
@gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

Mamma mia, I cooka da meatball and pizza di Italiano grande.

Let me shitpost in peace plz

vzq ,

You can argue you have a right to post what you want.

You can’t argue however that I don’t have the same right.

You post prejudiced garbage, I’m gonna call it out. I’m sure it’s “just a joak”, but if there’s one thing we’ve learned in the past decade or so, it’s that everything is ironic until it suddenly is not.

gregor OP ,
@gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

Jude block me mate. That’s the beauty of the fediverse.

vzq ,

I don’t want to block you. I want everyone here to see what you post, and what I think of it.

Then I block you.

Please_Do_Not ,

Then I cooka da meatball

gregor OP ,
@gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

And make da pizza italiano

gregor OP ,
@gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

Understandable. Hey everyone, I’m racist, apparently, because I said mamma mia.

Tyfud ,

Looking at the downvotes, it looks like everyone disagrees with you.

vzq ,

I don’t see any downvotes

Anarki_ ,

The sharky instance hides them. Look at your vote count.

One downvote is -1 point

vzq ,

That sounds like way too much effort.

Also, injustice is never conquered by popular approval. Let them downvote.

Fortatech ,

Keyboard knight saves the day.

/s

Tyfud ,

You understand that prejudice has a specific malicious intent behind it, correct? That it’s prejudiced “with intent” for something nefarious that’s being hidden behind the veil of racist remarks.

Go ahead and tell us which one of those racist behaviors is on display here.

If Italian people were offended by this, or this limited their upward travel potential in the professional world, or was a way to hide derogatory behavior that people found undesirable by “dog whistling”, then it would qualify.

Unless you can point that out in this case, I think your sense of social justice is misplaced for what is just normal, tame, cultural fun poking.

Here, we’ll include Americans in the meme:

Amer-E-cans: The police were called to handle a domestic disturbance at a nearby home. There were no survivors.

vzq ,

If Italian people were offended by this

“If” an Italian was, and told you, you’d explain to him he isn’t really offended, like you’re doing now. Because that’s what you are doing after an Italian told you to knock this shit off.

gregor OP ,
@gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

Would you mind telling me why you are offended by this?

vzq ,

Because it plays on harmful stereotypes.

How is this even a question?

gregor OP ,
@gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

Just how is “I cooka da meatball” harmful?

sudneo ,

It kinda contributes to the derogatory stereotypes that are already quite widespread in certain cultures about Italians, i.e., uneducated people who can’t speak a language and talk like super mario and whose life is basically about food.

gregor OP ,
@gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

I highly respect Italians for their delicious food. I have never heard of someone making fun of Italians for that.

sudneo ,

You miss the point, and the point is that Italians are stereotyped as ignorant who only think about food. This has nothing to do with Italian food itself.

Narauko ,

Technically you are falling for the positive stereotype fallacy, like saying Asians are good at math or the endowment of black males doesn’t count as prejudice because those are “good things”. Same boat as the Model Minority myth for East Asians.

People from those cultures may lean into those positive stereotypes or be less bothered by them, but they are still a prejudice. They also make it a little easier for less positive stereotypes to be believed by less educated or less tolerant people.

That said, as an Italian American you can pry my cooking stereotypes from my cold dead hands.

gregor OP ,
@gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

That makes sense, thanks for pointing out my fallacy.

Fortatech ,

I’m pretty sure any reasonable Italian would just ignore it and move on.

gregor OP ,
@gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

Or they would cooka da meatball and move on

vzq , (edited )

Which is what I do 99% of the time.

Not this time. This time I speak my piece.

Also, your “if you complain about prejudice you are not reasonable” is not appreciated. It’s straight up abuser talk.

Fortatech ,

I’m pretty sure @Tyfud cleared up “prejudice” for you pretty nicely.

vzq ,

Actually did not. But that’s another matter. Abuser.

Fortatech ,

What is there so disageable about their statement?

sudneo ,

Now, as an Italian I can’t really say that I am offended by this. I don’t care and I frequent the international community for long enough that I got used to the “mamma mia”, hand gestures, “mi scuzi” etc., whatever.

That said:

or was a way to hide derogatory behavior

If you don’t consider stereotyping people as uneducated half-wits who can’t speak a second language and express themselves in super-mario sentences derogatory in itself, I guess you have a very high bar.

Also you kinda made up this definition of prejudice, which simply means having opinions about something in advance.

an unfair and unreasonable opinion or feeling, especially when formed without enough thought or knowledge

Believe it or not, the type of stereotype here represented is quite widespread. Ask any Italian abroad how often they encounter the stuff I mentioned above.

Here, we’ll include Americans in the meme:

The example you bring is then completely off the mark. It’s one thing making fun of Italian “society” as - say - unorganized, or something else. It’s another thing stereotyping individuals and their individual characteristics.


All in all I have to say that it’s quite surprising to see this kind of behavior in the Fediverse, where such behavior would be absolutely not tolerated if it were about some other category. Again, I am fairly neutral and I take the joke for what it is, but the hypocrisy in this thread is really funny.

Tyfud ,

You raise some fair criticisms of my response and have given me some things to think about and consider.

And to update the American example then:

I’ll take a sixth helping of meatballs please.

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

🤡🤡🤡

ReplicantBatty ,

Thats-a spicy comment-a

MasterNerd ,
@MasterNerd@lemm.ee avatar

jfc get the stick outta your ass

photonic_sorcerer ,
@photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

My brother in Christ, have you ever been to Italy?

Tyfud ,

Italy walks the talk with its own stereotypes. And they take that quite seriously.

Please_Do_Not ,

Etalians responding to this meme: You’re a damn a right I cooka da meatball!

sudneo ,

Have you…?

photonic_sorcerer ,
@photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yes

sudneo ,

So you know that this is a stereotype hopefully, and that people don’t actually talk like super mario, right?

photonic_sorcerer ,
@photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Super Mario is a video game, but just go to an Italian restaurant or pub and you’ll hear some pretty familiar language.

sudneo ,

Italian pub…? Anyway, I am Italian, I know what people sound like. Thanks for the tip though

RVGamer06 ,

Especially if you go somewhere near Naples(the stereotypical Italian speech comes from Neapolitan, essentially)

sudneo ,

I think it simply comes from the bad english of italian people who immigrated to the US. Plenty of them were from South, but the stereotypical speech is simply a consequence of Italians pronouncing words as they are written (given Italian works like that). Neapolitan dialect is actually very contracted, so the opposite of elongated vocals as the stereotype goes.

tfw_no_toiletpaper ,

Prejudice nuts

suction ,

Yeah, let’s now joke about Palestinians!

dhork , to nostupidquestions in Why is there no sense of "camaderie" in the workplace?

You find good friends whenever you happen to be in the same place. Your personalities are compatible, and you like to hang out together. You had to go to some place that is a shared interest, after all, to meet that person in the first place. Like a local bar, or a bowling league, or whatever.

Your workplace can be a source of good friends, but people aren’t there based on shared interests, they are there because someone pays them all to be there. So the chances that you find someone compatible enough to want to spend time outside of work is slim, because you are not there out of any particular shared interest other than your career.

The real problem is that the amount of “third places” (like bars and bowling alleys) are decreasing. People spend so much on their housing that they can’t afford to go somewhere else to socialize, and are much more likely to just stay home and interact with their collected virtual friends online.

And also the fact that so much of our work is remote now. I am fully remote and my “team” is spread out worldwide. My work “socializing” is limited to asking people in Southeast Asia about the weather 5 minutes before the 10 pm (my time) meeting starts.

protist , to nostupidquestions in Why is there no sense of "camaderie" in the workplace?

This is highly dependent on which company/agency you work, and even which dept or team you’re on within a company. I’ve made a ton of very good friends through the years at my jobs, but I’m also not friends with everyone who I worked with, and I recognize there’s a difference between joking around as friends outside of work and being amiable and professional at work

asap , (edited ) to linux in Buying a new computer to run Linux on - suggestions?
@asap@lemmy.world avatar

www.asus.com/us/…/zenbook-14-oled-um3402/

22 hours battery life.

AMD.

Slim, gorgeous. Runs Linux like a champ.

I have bought only Asus for my last 4 laptops (previously I was Thinkpad), and I have never regretted any of them. Since switching from Windows to Linux earlier this year (Aurora-DX) I have had no issues.

If you want to go even smaller and lighter, this one is awesome but is Intel and doesn’t have as long battery life.

Telorand ,

Unrelated question: I like Bazzite, but I would really like to also have the Dev tooling of Aurora DX. Does Aurora use the same fsync kernel as Bazzite? Have/do you do any gaming on Aurora? If so, how has it been?

asap ,
@asap@lemmy.world avatar

I believe you can run one of the ujust scripts to add all the same dev tooling to Bazzite.

I have a Steam Deck for my gaming, which is funnily enough the thing that got me into Linux in the first place.

Telorand ,

I’ll have to check. I have a laptop running Bazzite, but I don’t recall its ujust recipes including dev tooling. I think Aurora/Bluefin and Bazzite have different sets of commands.

unn ,

22 hours battery life

Not even Macs M series are getting that much.

anarchrist , to lemmyshitpost in Mamma mia

Thatsa saucy camshow!

velox_vulnus , to linux in Buying a new computer to run Linux on - suggestions?

If you can afford to pour in a little bit more money, get a Thinkpad T14 Gen 5/T16 Gen 3 AMD variant. You can also get the T14 Gen 4/T16 Gen 2 AMD variant, but the RAM will be soldered. The X13 laptop is probably what you’re looking for, if screen is a big deal for you, but they have soldered chipsets, and the only thing modular is the NVME storage. Then there’s the HP Elitebook 835, 845 and the 855, and also the Acer TravelMate (I don’t remember the exact model). By the way, Framework is also available in Sweden, so you may also look into that.

SteveFromMySpace , to internetfuneral in left to their own devices

If y’all want to read some crazy shit, look into the origins and development of Neopets. I won’t spoil anything. It is a hell of a ride.

hoherd , (edited ) to nostupidquestions in Why is there no sense of "camaderie" in the workplace?

Different companies have different broad cultures, and different subcultures within teams. Some companies just don’t have a sense of camaraderie built into their broad culture.

One thing that people don’t always understand, and I always point this out to people I work with, is that your professional relationships are much more important than the company itself. Everybody is going to move on from their current job some day. When that day comes, they will benefit from having strong relationships with past team mates, either by knowing folks who can help them get new work, or by knowing folks who they can bring in to tackle projects at the new job.

Your professional network is one of your most valuable assets in your career. The people you work with are real people, with real families. Relationships with great team mates are more important than the company you both work at now, and will outlast your time at that company. Camaraderie is key to that whole scenario. Make sure you reach out to people you respect and enjoy working with and tell them how much you value that professional relationship. You will both be better off for it.

rainynight65 ,

I always say: if I’m ever in a situation where I need a job and can only get one with a former employer - do I want them to say “hell yeah” or “hell no”?

I’ve worked with people who, if they had to ask me for a reference, I would decline to give one. By the same token, I would reject their application for a job in my company or team. And I have worked with the opposite - people who will always under any circumstances get help from me if they’re looking for a job. All the competence in the world doesn’t help if someone is miserable to be around.

Having contacts, people who are willing to give references and similar always helps. Sure, you can do job hunting hard mode, but why make things unnecessarily difficult?

JohnDClay , to science_memes in Suffering
boredsquirrel , to linux in Buying a new computer to run Linux on - suggestions?
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

That depends on where you live.

In europe I recommend Novacustom or 3mdeb if you want coreboot, Starlabs too.

In the US System76.

0x0 ,

No Tuxedo?

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Tuxedo has coreboot in some of their laptops afaik.

Their chassis’ are waay better than the clevo garbage I currently have, but

coreboot >> design

Rose , to patientgamers in Monthly Recommendations Thread: What are you playing?

Thinking of starting Tchia, given its recent addition to Game Pass.

DickFiasco , to asklemmy in People who used older macintosh OS in the 90s, what was it like for your daily use, work, games etc?

I used a Mac SE/30 running OS 7 quite a bit in the early 90’s. I remember it being incredibly reliable; in fact, I can’t even remember what a crash looked like on a Mac, whereas I can still picture the BSOD from Windows 3.1.

I don’t remember noticing much difference in snappiness or intuitiveness between Mac and Windows back then though. Both were pretty easy to learn, even for people with limited computer experience. Anything with a hard drive felt snappy at the time, because the previous generation of computers all ran on floppy disks which were slow as molasses.

propter_hog , to linux in Buying a new computer to run Linux on - suggestions?
@propter_hog@hexbear.net avatar

System 76

sunzu ,

Their laptops ain't as good as their Desktop which are premium from what I gathered from comments

possiblylinux127 ,

The laptops are Clevo devices. However, Clevo does make good hardware and most models run coreboot.

If you can afford it they are a solid devices. I like the metal body.

DadVolante , to nostupidquestions in Help me understand littering
@DadVolante@sh.itjust.works avatar

Cigarette butts really anger me. It’s a sign of entitlement that I hate. The person knows it’s smelly and disgusting, so they get it as far away from their person or car without a second thought.

I can be judgemental about it because I smoked for over 20 years. I kept a ziplock bag on me (kind of like you would for dog poop when walking your dog) and would keep em in there until I could find a trash can. The ashtray in my car was also used instead of throwing them out the window.

Now that I’ve quit the habit, I notice it even more. It’s awful. My father and mother in law throw their butts on our lawn literally every time they come over, even though they are fully aware that we don’t smoke. When I put a coffee can on the front porch and let them know that’s where they should throw them, they looked at ME like I was the rude one.

Judge em hard. Cigarette smokers have very little space for other people in their world.

Thorny_Insight OP ,

Yeah I confronted a friend for throwing one onto my lawn and they didn’t seem to get why it was such a big deal for me. He clearly thinks nothing of it. In the army we were always told to bury them. It’s not a perfect solution either but so much better than just tossing it.

ryannathans , to linux in Buying a new computer to run Linux on - suggestions?

Tldr Amd & amd

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