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ColeSloth , to asklemmy in What is the worst thing someone in the Simpson family ever did?

Bart ruined all of Australia with that frog

TauZero , to asklemmy in What silly inconvinient stuff would you outlaw if you could?

Single-use plastic packaging! All packaging now comes in a set of standard ISO sizes and satisfying some engineering constraints and requirements. You get a Coke from a convenience store - it comes as a 0.5L glass bottle. You finish with it, put it on a rack inside the store with all the other empty 0.5L bottles to be taken back to the factory to be washed and inspected for chips and reused. It could be filled with Pepsi next time! Just slap on a new paper label.

Sprite OP ,
@Sprite@lemmy.ml avatar

I wouldn’t call it a silly issue myself. I’d ban all plastic packaging unless proven to have no alternative. I’m also infiuriated with countries for making easily recyclable materials actively hard to recycle: speaking of glass. They make it so you have to take it to a recycling point, which can be sparse depending on your idea. Glass and metals are amazing for recycling. But no, make everything plastic and actively push people away from purchasing glass by making them have to go out of their way to recycle it. Plastic bottles frequently aren’t even better. I had multiple plastic sauce bottles break akin to glass and leak out.

TauZero ,

which can be sparse depending on your idea

Yes! Which is why my idea is to have a collection point at every point of sale. And the first aim will be to reuse the packaging, not even recycle it (melt it down)! This is why ISO standardization is necessary - you don’t want to keep track of Coke bottles and Pepsi bottles, they need to be identical. The same truck that delivers a pallet of bottles from the factory to your store will take the pallet of empties out.

Sprite OP ,
@Sprite@lemmy.ml avatar

I cannot agree on the reuse. The amount of CO2 emited from the extra transportation and water wasted on cleaning, plus the possibility of lower sanitary quality all add into it making less sense than recycling, but perhaps I’m wrong and those are of lesser negative value than the process of recycling.

TauZero ,

The numbers I heard is that reusing a bottle is less energy intensive than melting it down. It’s sanitary if you sterilize it properly by heating to >100°C, which is still much less energy than heating it to 1723°C to melt. As for water, I try to think on a 100 year time scale, where water is a renewable resource, but plastic is not.

It’s true that the energy savings will be wasted if you end up trucking the pallet of glass soda bottles all the way across America! But you shouldn’t be trucking bottles that far anyway - you should be sending rail tanker cars full of syrup to a bottling plant in each state and use local water to mix it.

umbraroze ,
@umbraroze@kbin.social avatar

Here in Finland we have a really extensive and efficient plastic bottle and aluminum can recycling system. Every bottle and can has a deposit (0.40 € for large bottles, 0.20 € for small bottles, 0.15 € for cans) and you can cash them by returning them at any store. Just toss them in a machine.

There's even some hypermarkets where you can just pour in a giant bag full of bottles or cans and the machine sorts and prices the things automatically.

It's super annoying we still can't really do the same for rest of the single use plastic, but at least trash sorting and recycling what can be recycled is a thing everywhere. We have a lot of projects that aim to reduce those. Probably the coolest recent thing was that someone came up with all-carton coffee cups. (I hope they catch on so we can get rid of the cups that have the Sad Turtle Warning. I don't want turtles to be sad, they're awesome.)

Ookami38 ,

Ugh. Damnit Finland. Why do you have to be so SENSIBLE??

TauZero ,

That’s great! Our supermarkets have bottle deposit machines too, and even at only $0.05 deposit per bottle they are widely used. However, the poor people using them mostly obtain the bottles by rifling through apartment complex recycling bins on garbage day (all residents are already required to separate plastic from garbage).

Moreover I don’t believe plastic is actually recycled. My city has started burning 90% of its incoming plastic stream and still calls it “recycling”! That’s still fossil carbon coming out of the ground and ending up in the atmosphere, you doofuses! The minor fraction of plastic that IS recycled is either downcycled into lower quality items like plastic planks for outdoor decks, or mixed with at least 50% virgin plastic material if making new plastic bottles. There is currently no way to 100% recycle plastic into the same type of item AFAIK, because the polymer molecules chemically degrade.

When I think about recycling I want to think in terms of “is this kind of lifestyle sustainable for 100 years? for 1000 years?” Taking fossil carbon out of the ground is not sustainable. Aluminum and glass are recyclable 100%! Can we do even better with reuse?

There is a store near me that sells illegally-imported African coke. It comes in a bottle that looks beat up to shit, but that’s because the bottle was probably used hundreds of times, since in the African country they actually reuse the bottle. It’s still perfectly fit for purpose though! We just need to relax our expectations for how “pristine” we want our product packaging to look.

OutOfMemory ,

I heard a great talk with Sian Sutherland on plastic reduction recently, specifically around brand agnostic standardized metal bottles: youtu.be/jTs6KejhSg4?feature=shared

dan ,
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Some countries (at least Australia, USA, and many European countries) have deposits on bottles and cans where you pay a deposit of somewhere between 5 and 40 cents (depending on country) when you buy the drink, and get the deposit back when you return it to a store or recycling center for recycling. Reusing instead of recycling would be the next logical step there.

There are actually some companies in the USA that reuse bottles, Straus Family Creamery being one of the more well-known ones at least in my area. They charge a $3 deposit per milk bottle. When you return the bottle to the store, you get your $3 back and the store returns it to Straus. They put the returned bottles in crates and the delivery drivers pick up the old bottles when they drop off the new ones.

jivemasta ,

Everything should be glass or aluminum. Preferably aluminum since you don’t really have to worry about mixtures and cleaning it, you just melt it down and reshape it. With glass, you have to separate out the different types, and it still breaks down each recycle, I believe, since they mix silica with other compounds to make different kinds of glass.

I honestly don’t understand stand why plastic beverage bottles are still a thing. Cans work perfectly. And if you insist on bottles, they can make aluminum cans too.

clericc ,

you should check how much energy is needed to melt and reshape aluminium…Thick PET boxes plus cleaning them uses far less energy

max ,

Aluminium cans need a plastic lining to prevent corrosive drinks from eating through them and/or to prevent the aluminium from leeching into your drink.

interolivary ,
@interolivary@beehaw.org avatar

Still less plastic than making the entire thing out of it

max ,

That’s for certain

Pulptastic ,

Single use plastic in general. I skipped bagging my veggies at the grocer today because it felt wasteful.

SkepticElliptic ,

The worst part about plastic bottles is the energy required to make them.

They go through a 2 stage process where the plastic is melted and injection molded into a “pre-form”

Then they get fed into a blowmolding machine where they are heated in different areas by many 2k watt halogen bulbs. Once they’ve been heated properly they go into the blow mold where they are pressurized with ~500psi air.

The molds are liquid cooled through an industrial pipe system with an extremely large refrigeration system. The energy required to run all of the equipment is insane. A factory can consume as much energy in one hour as a standard home will in an entire year.

This doesn’t include all of the energy required for moving materials around since performs can be made at one factory and shipped to another and empty bottles are often shipped to warehouses and then off to the plant where they will be filled, then warehoused then distributed etc.

GreatWhiteNope ,

I’m on board with this except instead of reusable glass bottles that need to be transported around, you’re responsible for your own reusable bottle/mug/thermos and you can only get beverages from a soda fountain.

Iron_Lynx ,

While we’re on the subject of plastic packaging:

I want the recent Dutch law on single use plastics to be significantly rewritten.

So they passed a law, requiring sellers to charge people for single use plastic containers. Sounds cool, right? Well, the law has some problems:

  • the seller is allowed to set the surcharge to be as high as they want it to be.
  • the seller may keep the money from the surcharge
  • the seller is not required to offer an alternative
  • the seller can refuse to honour people’s request for them using their own packaging

So effectively, they’ll set the surcharges to be as low as they can, and don’t bother allowing anyone to use alternatives. If you go to a snack bar, ask for a serving of fries, and offer your own bowl to put them in, the seller can just tell you “NOPE”

So I think the law should be retooled to cover these issues. The prices should be set from above, the money should go to the state, and the seller must honour customers’ requests for using their own packaging alternatives.

TauZero ,

the seller can refuse to honour people’s request for them using their own packaging

Preposterous! How are we expected to reduce our consumption of single use containers if we are not allowed to use anything else?

I’ve had great success bringing my own sealable glass bowls when I want to get takeout and they eyeball out the regular size portion for me. But here currently it’s only possible on an ad-hoc basis, by asking as a favor as a regular, since it’s just not part of custom. It would be great if bring-your-own-container was protected and encouraged by law!

My city passed a plastic bag ban recently and I was skeptical about it at first but it actually has been a great help. Not even so much in banning the bags themselves, but in changing the culture and expectations. Now it feels perfectly normal to bring in your own canvas bags to shop because everyone does it, whereby before you’d look like a weirdo for doing it.

clueless_stoner , to fediverse in Lemmy developer, @SleeplessOne1917, argues for the killing of Israeli civilians and children
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Let’s keep in mind this doesn’t really mean anything for Lemmy instances. It is open source.

Ghostalmedia , (edited )
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True, but there are not very many people contributing a lot of code, so this guy has a lot of sway over which items get prioritized out of the massive backlog.

And as a mod, I’d really like the few people coding to produce some expanded moderation tools… so I can easily spot and address toxic comments like the ones this dev makes.

IMHO, this guy’s behavior feels like it conflicts with his current influence over Lemmy’s mod toolset.

Edit: typos

Ategon ,
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Ive been working on a soft fork of lemmy called Pangora to prioritize development on different areas that the main lemmy codebase has been neglecting (such as mod tools). Gives a different option than the main lemmy codebase for supporting development and as redundancy for if anything goes wrong (although not production ready atm as its still getting mostly set up) !pangora

antik ,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

👀

spaduf ,

Really glad this exists. Thanks for all your work.

Spzi ,

Stories like these can make it less likely that other people contribute to the code, making the platform grow slower, which affects all instances.

thatsTheCatch , to asklemmy in What UI design trend do you hate the most?

Icons without labels.

Just add a small label underneath. It’s not hard. It makes your app way more usable. Please…

kibiz0r ,

Internationalization. Don’t have to get icons translated (most of the time), and they always take the same amount of space.

thatsTheCatch ,

You need a label for them anyway for people who use screen readers. And depending on how the label is implemented, tools can sometimes translate the labels like how they can translate the rest of the site

Tarte ,
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Alt and title attributes for screen readers don’t require space. Actual labels require space that might vary greatly depending on the language.

Home | Products | About | Privacy

Takes less screen space than e.g.

Startseite | Produkte | Über uns | Datenschutz

It is still doable, of course. It is just another thing one must account for. Languages that read from right to left or top to bottom are especially hard to implement in a satisfying manner, if you’re not used to it. With icons one can somewhat circumvent the issue.

dingus ,
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I’m looking square the fuck at Windows 11 removing “Cut” “Copy” “Paste” and replacing them with fucking infuriatingly not obvious icons in the menu instead.

Do not fuck with me like this, Microsoft. Please.

argo_yamato ,

I finally thought I had it down and then I forgot where to go to rename a file, just couldn’t find the stupid icon at first

CybranM ,

F2

CybranM ,

First mistake was using Windows 11

dingus ,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

Thankfully, this was someone else’s PC…

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Ima springboard right off your’s:

Inventive app names.

It’s not uncreative to call your app “Image Resizer;” it’s descriptive. If I’m not using the app every day and it has a creative name, I’m going to forget what it’s called. And because I’m installing and trying new apps all the time, if it isn’t a descriptive name, I’m guaranteed to forget it. It’s going to get lost in a sea of other apps, and I’m sure to never find it.

I’ve developed habits to work around Inventive Names, but… just call it what it is, or some variation. “Resizeratus Rex,” or something.

dingus ,
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Agreed, but if everyone named things merely descriptively… we’d end up with like 200 apps named “Image Resizer.”

So it’s a bit of a conundrum, because descriptive names are clearly far superior, but if everyone used only descriptive names, most apps would be very similarly named, and then you’d have to filter based on author/developer.

And frankly a lot of us aren’t clever enough to make up a name that is both descriptive and memorable like “Resizeratus Rex” lol.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

You make a good point. I’m not very creative, so I just take whatever project I’m most copying and make a spin off of that. TBF, sometimes the association to what it does is nebulous, but I try.

plantedworld ,

You created Resizeratus Rex, so you are more creative than you give yourself credit for

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Thanks. I’ve only got a couple of those in me, though, and now I’ve wasted one on someone else’s project.

Chainweasel ,

To expand on this, a suite of icons that are visually hard to tell apart.
I have all Google apps I need to use in one folder and they’re essentially identical and difficult to tell apart even with labels turned on.

DemonicPenguin , to asklemmy in What was the funniest thing your ex did to try to win you back?

I was going out with this chick for a while and we had just gotten serious for maybe a month and then she just goes and sleeps with some dude, she confessed and I dumped her by text. Then she has the gall a week later to chase me down the street begging to speak to me and apologizing while I was trying to walk home. At first I ducked I into a gas station to get away but even after I left it after 5 mins I was still followed for 1/2 mile. Like bruh.

sociablefish OP ,

thats annoying of her bro

photonic_sorcerer ,
@photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Some people just can’t take a hint, huh?

MrBubbles96 ,

She had the gall a week later to chase me down the street begging to speak to me and apologizing…i was still being followed for 1/2 mile.

I would have heard her out if i was you. Not because I’d take her back or believe a single word that comes out of her mouth, no, no, but the sheer audacity of doing that + the desperation to get you to listen…nah, whatever fiction she came up with HAS to be some Oscar-worthy writing instead of the whole “it was a mistake!” if she borderline stalked you to share it, and then thought for a second she still had a shot with you after.

That, or her (non-existent) balls are bigger than her brains.

DemonicPenguin ,

Bruh not even. During that time I would take the bus and she would pass by my bus stop, slow down make eye contact then speed up. Wierd af. Like man why are you gonna play around with someone like that. Years later she had the gall to try and speak to me after I specifically told her not to contact me again years ago, because come on who would take that shit? Good lay though.

MrBubbles96 ,

And I am once again reminded why you never stick your dick in crazy. The lay might have been worth it, but all the bullshit after? Fuck that, I’d rather find my someone whose not gonna make my canities worse even if the suck in the sack. Shit, I’m no pornstar myself so.

Please tell me you either put as much distance as humanly possible from her, got a restraining order on her ass, or, and god help them, she found someone else to haunt…

dingus ,

She fell and his penis just slipped into her vagina. Accidental sex happens all the time!!!

/s

hellweaver666 , to nostupidquestions in How do you currently handle Covid infections?
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If you get sick with ANY infectious disease you should stay home and isolate. End of.

Droggelbecher ,

One of the silver linings of covid is that this has become the norm. I remember how much I used to be shamed for staying home with minor infections, now if anything the opposite is the case.

Zippy ,

This. I can’t get half my employees to follow this. Feel like they got to come in or will let people down. Drives me nuts. At minimum give me noticed and I will try and work you alone somewhere if you feel you must work.

As said, if you’re sick, stay home. If everyone did this, there would be far fewer colds and flu and less chances of some new COVID like strain.

fubo , to nostupidquestions in In the U.S., what exactly are we supposed to do when an ambulance, with its sirens on, approaches from behind?

You’re required to pull over to allow an emergency vehicle to pass.

agent_flounder , (edited ) to nostupidquestions in Why wasn't former President Bush of the USA, charged with any crimes, when we marched into Afghanistan and Iraq by his orders, under pretenses?
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We barely got to the point of impeaching Nixon for his bullshit and Reagan got off scott free for Iran-Contra. So it shouldn’t be too surprising that Bush didn’t get keelhauled for his bullshit invasions especially since most of the morons in Washington were totally on board with it.

Some of us could see it coming from a mile away with Afghanistan. (Just had to look back to how it went for the USSR and like every other country that tried before us (see “Graveyard of Empires”).

Iraq* looked an awful lot like bullshit driven by greed, oil, and “finishing what daddy started” at the time. Idk about the last one now but the first two? Definitely. But fucking Congress went along with all of it. Probably lobbied by billionaires.

So no way was he going to pay for his crimes.

People at the top in this country rarely do.

ristoril_zip ,

Iraq, not Iran, but yes definitely to “finishing what daddy started.” In 2002-2003 the W’s cabinet was chock full of people who got their leashes yanked on the Kuwait/Iraq border because Daddy Bush respected international laws and norms. They were steam rolling toward Baghdad basically unimpeded. They could taste that sweet sweet oil and a major military victory over an aggressor state that would send a strong message about the sovereignty of international borders.

It sure as shit scared the hell out of Saddam, too. Probably that’s why he got all paranoid.

With hindsight and if we assume that the US was going to invade Iraq either way (in 1991 or 2003), it would’ve been better probably to just do it the early 90s, before the was a robust international terror network to step into the void.

Overall, I think it was justified to invade Afghanistan immediately after 9/11 and depose their government, but stop there. I don’t know what the best “after” would’ve been. Definitely not putting all our focus into Iraq. Perhaps with all our resources and world focus on actually rebuilding Afghanistan instead of pivoting to Iraq, we could’ve helped them succeed instead of running from place to place putting out fires while it smoldered.

Dkarma ,

Two words:

Dick Cheney

You really think dubya cared about attacking Iraq. He was told.

Azal ,

Pre9-11 my dad liked messing with his coworkers saying W was making a hell of a democrat when they complained about what he was doing.

After he suddenly got in line like his daddy. Always figured it’s when he started listening to Cheney

agent_flounder ,
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🤦🏻 yeah Iraq. Autocorrect probably. Daddy Bush probably also wanted to avoid a quagmire. Idk.

I agree we were justified invading Afghanistan and felt so at the time but it’s just not a great place to try and “conquer”. You might be right about the distraction of Iraq. However, Afghanistan strikes me as a country with the kind of deeply entrenched culture and politics so different from anything we are familiar with that I don’t know if we could ever actively transform it in meaningful ways.

bemenaker ,

The US had no support to set foot in Iraq. The UN mandate was to remove Iraq from Kuwait, no more, no less. If the auS set foot on Iraqi soil, it would be going alone, and in violation of the UN.

renownedballoonthief ,

Sometimes I wonder if the DRA would’ve succeeded if the CIA and MI6 hadn’t been backing the Mujahideen.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

merc ,

So no way was he going to pay for his crimes.

What specific crimes?

I think his and his administration did a lot of awful shit, but they did it using politics, not by breaking the law. They painted their opponents as un-American. They whipped up fervor saying that “you’re with us or you’re with the terrists” and changed the “French Fries” in the congressional cafeteria to “Freedom Fries” after the French refused to jump on board with their war plans. They made sure the public was scared, because scared people are easier to manipulate. But, fundamentally his administration did it so that they could win votes in and for the house and senate. Fundamentally he still followed American law.

There are various things where the administration or the military might have violated international laws against war crimes or aggression. For example, the treatment of the prisoners at Abu Graib, the whole existence of and infinite detention at Guantanamo Bay, and possibly even the invasion of Iraq itself. But, international courts require a much higher burden of proof, especially to pin the crimes on the head of state. And, Bush had pet lawyers like John Yoo producing memos to declare it all legal.

Evil shit, especially evil done by the military in other countries is almost never going to result in criminal charges, let alone convictions. Trump is unusual in that the crimes were so incredibly blatant. The normal method for most shady heads of state is to at least go for plausibly legal. They have access to tons of lawyers willing to bend over backwards to declare what their bosses want to do as being legal.

People need to stop equating “evil shit” with “crimes”. Yes, Bush and his administration was responsible for a lot of evil shit. He was responsible for hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths, thousands of deaths of soldiers in the bullshit “Coalition of the Willing”. He was responsible for indefinite detention without trial at Guantanamo Bay and torture at Abu Graib. But, with all that blood on his hands, he may have done it all without breaking any laws. There’s a reason why the prisoners are being held in Guantanamo Bay and not on US soil. There’s a reason that the torture happened in an Iraqi prison. A big part of that is that many US laws don’t apply to those places, so while it’s awful, it may not be illegal.

girl , to asklemmy in What is the most unnecessarily excessive thing you have ever done to accomplish something?

I play the sims sometimes. A few years ago I realized that I only really enjoy it when I have a fully fleshed out story of every sim in the game, their relationships to each other, their personalities, etc. So I began the extensively tedious task of making a save like that. I have an excel file with hundreds of lines of text and several sheets detailing every personality trait, every relationship, their hopes and dreams, their ages so I can age them all up appropriately, and more. I also use it to make sure that I have a balanced amount of traits/goals, since the NPCs as EA made them are almost all identical with very small differences (~60% of them had the “family oriented” trait, and if they had that there was a very high likelihood they had the cheerful trait). I will work on it obsessively for a few weeks at a time then stop for months, repeat 1-3 times a year.

g6d3np81 OP ,
@g6d3np81@kbin.social avatar

By 'repeat' you mean continue from last save, right?
Right?

girl ,

Yes lol. I actually don’t really get to play when I do this, but my goal is to have one save that is 100% designed by me (well, except the architecture, that I leave to the people on the gallery)

ohcamlmycaml ,

You should play DnD

nawordar , to nostupidquestions in Are straws an unnecessary (but convenient) invention?

There are people who have disabilities that prevent or make it hard to drink without a straw, for example, they have shaky hands and would spill their drink otherwise.

OwlPaste ,

Or after you go to the dentist yourself! Granted you can likely survive without drinking room temperature anything because your gums/terth are sore for a bit, but disabled people cannot.

Iunnrais ,

I want to add that the convenience factor they give to non-disabled people really helps the life-necessity factor for disabled people. Economy of scale helps a lot. Someone who needs straws to live can go to any grocery or convenience store and buy dozens or hundreds of the things for dirt cheap because the disabled people aren’t the only ones buying them, and that’s a good thing.

wahming ,

Or, they could buy one reusable metal one to last a lifetime.

GentlemanLoser ,

Or maybe you don’t know everything

CulturedLout ,

Aren’t reusable straws difficult to sanitize? I’ve always wondered

gamermanh ,
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No, why would they be? Hot water, same as any other dish

Most come with a little brush to help clean them as well

hungryphrog ,

That metal straw could end up impaling their brain though.

wahming ,

Yeah, somebody else explained to me that they can only use plastic straws for disabled folk

bob_wiley ,
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  • GentlemanLoser ,

    This is how we end up paying for straws as medical devices. As soon as you make it a niche item the people who really need it are screwed

    wahming ,

    It’s a simple metal tube (reusable). Just because it’s niche doesn’t mean it’ll cost a bomb.

    DarkFox ,
    @DarkFox@pawb.social avatar

    A lot of disabled people who need straws have difficulties controlling their muscles, so a metal straw is a good way to break their teeth, the same goes for wood and other hard straws. Paper straws are also unusable for them, as they break too quickly, and silicone straws are too floppy. Plastic straws really are the only suitable option for them.

    TheButtonJustSpins ,

    Agave straws might be a sweet spot - they behave like plastic straws but are biodegradable.

    DarkFox ,
    @DarkFox@pawb.social avatar

    That’s awesome!

    BTW, just to make it clear; I’m not saying “Yay plastic, plastic is the only way!”. I am saying that the current alternatives aren’t suitable for all cases.

    Personally, as a (mostly) able-bodied person, I carry reusable silicone straws with me.

    GentlemanLoser ,

    It will in the USA once insurance companies classify it as a medical device and doctors offices start billing them $500 for a straw they’ll negotiate down to $200 and now we’re paying $40 per straw after insurance

    Spiracle ,
    @Spiracle@kbin.social avatar

    That is unrelated to normal straw usage, though. They can at any time declare that they need "medical straws", define that only certified companies can provide them, and then demand hundreds of Dollars for them. I would not be surprised if this was already happening somewhere.

    Pandoras_Can_Opener ,
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    Now I hope the people affected by this hoard straws. We live in a weird world.

    B1naryB0t ,

    Straws would still be cheap, but also medical devices should be free anyways

    Astroturfed , to asklemmy in What job do people take way too seriously?

    In America, every job. People make it their identity. It’s the first thing they ask or tell people they meet most of the time. They make themselves what they do.

    Gargantu8 ,

    Is it really not like this elsewhere?

    Muffi ,

    I think every country has people with a personality-vacuum that they’ve filled with a job. But in my anecdotal, personal experience, Americans tend to do it far more often (they also work WAY more).

    Astroturfed ,

    It’s less the core identity of people in the rest of the world.

    cantstopthesignal ,

    LoL no. It’s definitely an Anglo thing. I had a Spanish friend that I’ve played music with for years and I didn’t know what he did until last night. I wish we weren’t so focused on thinking that our way of life must be so perfect. Work sucks, sitting in traffic sucks, yet we spend almost all of our waking life doing just that.

    Ulv ,

    Yeah but thats a southern europe thing you people lack any sort pride loyalty or work ethics thats why the civilised parts of europe has too bail you out all the time

    Today ,

    You’ve known a guy for years and never bothered to ask what his day job is?

    cantstopthesignal ,

    Yes our interests are outside of work. I also don’t ask where he vacations, what kind of bed he sleeps on, or where he fills up his car with gas, though I’m sure he spends some of his life doing those as well. His job is not his personality and neither is mine.

    Today ,

    Yeah,… With people who aren’t coworkers we still fall into, “looking forward to the long weekend”, “crazy dude was at work today”, and work-related stuff like that.

    GiddyGap ,

    “Americans live to work, Europeans work to live.”

    treadful ,
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    I get both PoVs. For some, it’s just a clock in clock out type thing they do just to survive and maybe pay for their other passions. For others, they spent a majority of their lives training, learning, licensing, and practicing a skillset to perform their work. It’s fairly often a large part of one’s identity and it’s not a negative thing. Though it may be a negative thing to assume someone is only their job.

    But I can hardly blame someone for seeing themselves first as a scientist, artist, lawyer, or whatever.

    RedditRefugee69 ,

    A healthy and balanced understanding of different people?? Isn’t this the internet!!!

    Today ,

    You really think Americans start conversations in bars by saying, "hi, I’m a mechanic. What do you do?’ This Internet idea of what Americans do is ridiculous. Anyone who spends time (paid or unpaid) doing something they’re passionate about will talk about it.

    Astroturfed ,

    Yup that’s totally what I think, I’m definitely European. No way an American thinks that of America.

    Going strait to meeting someone in a bar says something troubling about your life.

    RubberElectrons ,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    We’re either friendly coworkers who invite other coworkers, or it’s like a meetup group of people who like something and want to do it together.

    If we meet at a bar with coworkers, we can network with each other and thus later on not need to trifle with management when we need help with something. “Oh yeah, Jane built this device, lemme ask her what the polarity is supposed to be”.

    Meetups with randos, we just vibe. Sometimes it’s at a bar, other times at a restaurant. We just vibe, figure out what other people’s passions and and get to know them.

    dingus ,

    Idk…I like my job and I’m proud I worked my way to get there. I get to see some really awesome things and I love my coworkers. Whenever I see my family, I like to tell them about interesting cases I’ve recently had.

    If you work a boring shithole job then I get not wanting to talk about it. But sometimes people do interesting things that they want to talk about! :)

    kava ,

    hell, I don’t even like what I do all that much but I like talking about it, lol. It’s interesting even though it’s not my “dream” job.

    the older I get, the more I realize there’s depth to anything. whether you’re a hair dresser, an engineer, or a physical therapist. you can read and learn and get deeper and deeper into the study of that thing. anything is interesting if you’re curious about it.

    dingus ,

    I think there’s something to that statement. Hell, my old job was essentially just a form of data entry, but I managed to find things interesting with it and actually rather enjoyed it. Pay was shit tho so I went back to school to get to where I was now. But I for the most part agree with you. You can find interest in many things if you try hard enough. Not the case with some, for sure, but it’s definitely more than some people realize.

    And being interested about a topic makes for a good jumping off point when getting to know someone.

    kava ,

    Not the case with some, for sure, but it’s definitely more than some people realize

    I’d even say it’s virtually everything. I can’t think of anything personally. let me give some examples

    Fast food worker? You start as a burger flipper or cashier and become interested in the management of the fast food place. You take on more responsibility just because you find it interesting - the logistics of making sure the basic ingredients are prepared and how many fries to have ready at specific times of the day, measuring how fast the average person makes a burger and seeing if you can optimize it, how to greet and talk to customers, how to resolve conflicts, how often do you need to clean, what is the best way of cleaning, etc.

    This can even be a career. There are regional managers and consultants for these fast food chains that go around to audit and optimize different chains. See how we start with something basic that 99% of people treat as a dead end job but you can go deeper?

    The same skills that help you manage a fast food place will inevitably transfer over to other management. You could be useful at a warehouse, factory, hospital, etc.

    Let’s say you dig holes for an underground construction company. You stick around long enough and they’ll have you pull some coaxial or fiber through the pipe you’re digging a hole for. After a while, you become good at it and that’s your main job because it requires more skill than just digging holes. You start to understand how neighborhoods are wired, with the vaults spread every 150ft and how the hubs feed all of the houses in a neighborhood or businesses in a commercial area. you get assigned to a big project that requires splicing.

    all of a sudden you’re a fiber optic specialist and you have the skills to maintain large networks. you could be a repairman or an auditor or even a project coordinator for large projects

    I’ll give you an example that happened to me. When I was 19 and just got out of high school, I got a job at a warehouse. It was a cosmetic company that produced all sorts of different shampoos and conditioners and make ups and female hygiene cleansers, eyelash growth serums… all sorts of stuff.

    I started off as general labor for the shipping department. I would sit around and wait for a big order to come in from a distributor and then go around the warehouse getting boxes and putting them on pallets. I would then wrap up the pallets and load them into a truck with a pallet jack.

    Well, each pallet needed to have some paperwork done and then each overall order needed to have some paperwork done. this included the total weight of the pallet, the total units of product (different boxes have different qty of items. one box may have 24 shampoos but a box of eyelash serum may have 60), and then all of this needed to be put on an invoice and packing slip that gets taped to the pallet.

    when I got there, I was trained that we would write this down onto a piece of paper with pen and then tape it onto the pallet. there were frequent errors (if the weight was wrong, we would get charged extra by the shipping companies or if we’re shipping internationally it could get stuck in customs if you didn’t have the correct paperwork). I was good with computers and knew how to use Excel. I was interested in how I could make the process more efficient (less work for me). I suggested a spreadsheet to my boss that had a table saved into a hidden sheet that had all the weights for each different box, as well as the total # of items per box. he said sure, why not. I weighed every single box and then also weighed an average of the pallets we had.

    I created a spreadsheet template that would essentially fill everything in automatically, while also looking clean and professional - i put the company’s logo in there. This would also pump out a packing slip and invoice automatically filled in from the data inputted.

    my boss was elated. his department was more accurate and looked more professional, meanwhile we were doing less work. basically every day i walked around that warehouse i paid attention and looked to see what we could be doing better. how could we optimize?

    very quickly they pulled me off of labor and I started working in the office. when I left that job, 4 years later, I was the manager of the inventory department - responsible for over $100 million worth of raw materials. i had 8 people under me. i was 23, didn’t know wtf i was doing, but really i was just curious and interested in making things move more smoothly

    Do you see what I mean? Anything is interesting if you’re a curious enough person. There’s stuff to learn everywhere. There are processes to optimize, there are intricacies and subtleties to everything.

    Lmaydev , to programmer_humor in Haskell researchers announce new discovery

    a writing task that was emotionally difficult but conceptually trivial

    Lmao

    furikuri ,

    Finally, each of us upvoted the post, […]"

    “And then we waited to see who, if anyone, would give a shit,” she said.

    MacFarlane concluded, "Our elegant approach didn’t work, so we hired a Perl hacker to go dig up the personal details on all 38 accounts that had ever upvoted a Haskell post, and the only one we didn’t know was Seth Briars.

    This is the one that got me

    TheButtonJustSpins , to asklemmy in What is your "inexpensive" hobby that turned out to be expensive/ you gradually invested lots of money into?

    I bought myself a raspberry pi for my birthday a few years ago.

    I now have thousands of dollars in hardware sitting in a server rack in my office. Whoops.

    dingleberry ,
    droans ,

    A single 1TB drive should be enough for my Plex server, I said.

    123TB isn’t enough, I need more 18TB hard drives, I said.

    Krauerking ,

    Oh my God… I’m running a jellyfin with 8TB… Don’t get me wrong I want more and will eventually figure out how to do it cheaper but that’s so impressive

    droans ,

    The cheaper way is to either use shucked EasyStores when they’re on sale or to buy them from ServerPartsDeals or whatever the site is called.

    I got some 18TB drives for $200 from them. With EasyStores, 14TB drives are about the same price. The 18TB drives are refurbed and come with a shorter warranty, but you have to be rather careful with the EasyStores to maintain the warranty and you’ll still likely lose it.

    Krauerking ,

    Just want you to know that you have just made my life better and now I have a dangerous game ahead of me to not buy so many of these drives and completely lose all my money

    tom42 , to linux in What are some things you wish you had known when switching to Linux?
    @tom42@lemmy.world avatar

    That after getting used to Linux I will hate to be forced to use less free operating systems.

    elfahor OP ,

    This so much. I absolutely cannot stand Windows anymore.

    vynlwombat ,

    Windows is so bad

    Holzkohlen ,

    I could but I always get a feeling like I’m being monitored constantly. Like imagine being at work and if you don’t move your mouse for a few minutes you’d get a warning or something. Or remember using a computer at school where the teacher could literally see the screen of every student, yeah like that.

    Resonanz ,

    Once you go FOSS, you never go back.

    LiveLM , to linux in Ubuntu's Mozillateam PPA now forcing users over to snap install for Firefox.

    Imagine having to fight your OS to do what you want. True Windows experience.

    Drug_Shareni ,

    It’s no wonder Canonical is partnering up with Microsoft to EEE Linux

    danielfgom ,
    @danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes exactly. This is the main problem. It’s one thing to offer Snaps as an alternative, but to force them on users is not the Libre/FOSS way at all.

    I switched away to Mint and I’m very glad I did. I’m in control and it works perfectly. Fantastic distro. No Snaps BS and it uses less RAM and is faster than Ubuntu.

    I would encourage all Ubuntu users to switch to Mint. You won’t regret it.

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