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girlfreddy OP , to news in Donald Trump fraud trial live updates: Former president takes the stand - BBC News
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Earlier, when the trial resumed after lunch, Trump was being very polite to the court. Now it seems he’s back to his old self.

On the stand, Trump has started to air his complaints with the case once again.

“This case is a disgrace," the former president says. He goes on to claim there is "murder on the streets of New York and the attorney general here is watching every little move”.

During this outburst, Judge Engoron looks ahead with a straight expression and remains silent.

When Trump has finished, Engoron says he defers to the prosecution on how much they want to allow Trump to speak off topic.

Engoron says Trump is a “broken record”, to which Trump replies that the prosecution “keeps asking the same questions, over and over”.

Attorney Kevin Wallace keeps his calm, saying the questioning is “very close to the end”.

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Death remains undefeated!

Etterra ,

Well you’re not wrong.

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Can’t we add a rule to not allow news which only are created by “Musk said …”?

OurToothbrush , to worldnews in China using families as 'hostages' to quash dissent abroad

Its a very weakly sourced state sponsored media article reporting on their state enemy. You have to be willfully credulous to believe their claims without further proof.

Durotar ,
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It doesn’t mean that reports are false just because two states are enemies (which is an exaggeration).

Blursty ,
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“Just because the last 100 articles were bullshit doesn’t mean this one is too!”

No. It does.

Durotar ,
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That statement is illogical. You must have huge problems with the simplest logic to argue that. You can’t bent logic by twisting what I said. Stop clowning.

Blursty ,
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Just because all the other times this faulty logic was used doesn’t mean this one is illogical too!

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  • Duamerthrax ,

    Must be easy living with such a black and white world view.

    Blursty ,
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    It really is. Try it, next time you read a China Bad article, just decide that it’s bullshit first, then check into it and you’ll be proven right.

    Duamerthrax ,

    Come in with preconceived notions and never second guess yourself? Sure, whatever.

    Blursty ,
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    You missed the “check into it” part.

    OurToothbrush ,

    Doing research to prove your assumptions correct or incorrect is literally how science works.

    abraxas ,

    I swear some of these people have never even been to China. I’ve had the opportunity, and had a lot of Chinese expat friends. I will say THEY believe the same as rest of the world does on a lot of these issues. I was told in no uncertain terms by my tour guide not to say anything about “things you might have heard” when I went to Tienanmen Square. And trust me, the soldiers everywhere with automatic weapons were enough to dissuade me from THINKING about it.

    There are a lot of differences that can be passed off as unpleasant cultural differences (like the one guy was a second class citizen and couldn’t get a city passport because he was from a village… the other guy had a full country Visa with zero effort because he grew up in Beijing), but other things “yeah, we’d look up the truth on all that stuff, but we had to work hard to get around the censors and some of our friends got in caught and got in trouble for doing it”.

    These tankies never seem to cover the part where the Chinese government is ACTIVELY suppressing this stuff in China. I could walk up to the site of the Bonus Army massacre and LOUDLY announce “I can’t believe the US government opened fired on American troops here over a peaceful protest” and not so much as draw police attention.

    GarbageShootAlt2 ,

    The June 4th Incident gets wildly misrepresented very consistently in the west and China doesn’t like being libeled as butchers. literally 1984

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    abraxas ,

    So you’re ok with guys with machineguns keeping people to afraid to ask about the Tianenmen Square Massacre because you think it’s “misrepresented”? As an American in China who thoughts things were overblown, I left China 100% sure the Massacre is as bad as I was taught, because of the way the Chinese government behaved in Tienanmen Square when I was there.

    And you really feel that it’s ok that there’s human rights advocates serving time for the crime of “inciting others to knowingly participate in unauthorised assemblies” about the Tianenmen Square Massacre, like Chow Hang-tung? Do you approve of jailing for speech where most countries will, at worst, have civil libel charges?

    What’s the most severe penalty you would approve of for people who witnessed and survived the massacre recounting stories that are absolutely true to them? Maybe execute them all?

    In my world, EVEN if the victim witnessed the event incorrectly, this is at best Witness Intimidation, and at worst its own human rights violation.

    GarbageShootAlt2 ,

    You seem to be projecting a lot of things that don’t have a firm basis in external reality. Are the guys with machine guns there to intimidate tourists, or are they there because Tienanmen Square is right in front of the Chinese equivalent of the White House and several other important buildings that require high security? The incident (which, let us be clear, also involved armed insurrectionists with incendiaries and commandeered rifles) wasn’t even the last major violent event in the area, as people did die actually in the Square some time later when Falun Gong members set themselves and a small girl on fire in protest of the group being banned!

    The thought police you are imagining seem, if anything, to be a much better case for you being wrong. However you might feel intimidated in the moment, clearly once you left you understandably made a firm association between the Square and machine guns!

    Furthermore, you’re making silly excuses for liars. There were people who weren’t even there for the supposed massacre (see the video) who were accounting very peculiar events in lurid detail, like tanks running over inhabited tents and then mulching them and such. Do you think some scared college student is going to have an anxiety-based hallucination that causes them to think they were places they weren’t and saw things that have probably never happened anywhere? When does that happen besides severe schizophrenics and children who aren’t processing that they just had a nightmare?

    It seems to me that you are reaching for excuses, especially since you are disregarding the numerous witness, both domestic and foreign visitors, who all saw that there was no massacre in the Square as the media hysterically portrayed. Leaked state documents over the years (from ambassadors and such) only affirm this further. I can look up some if you like.

    abraxas ,

    You seem to be projecting a lot of things that don’t have a firm basis in external reality

    I’m not sure why you would say that.

    Are the guys with machine guns there to intimidate tourists, or are they there because Tienanmen Square is right in front of the Chinese equivalent of the White House and several other important buildings that require high security?

    Considering the exact placement, I would say the former. Considering their non-presence at other equally important locations? I would also say the former.

    The incident (which, let us be clear, also involved armed insurrectionists with incendiaries and commandeered rifles) wasn’t even the last major violent event in the area,

    Do you know what double-think is? Was the military killing armed insurrectionists, or was it all made up? Or were they standing their with tanks and watching the armed insurrectionists kill everyone? I trust Amnesty international more than you, and more than propaganda recordings from the Chinese government. Not as someone with a prejudice against China, either. The narrative makes sense, where yours does not.

    when Falun Gong members set themselves and a small girl on fire in protest of the group being banned

    Are you implying that the soldiers with machineguns were ther ebecause Falun Gong members set themselves on fire? And not because of the internationally known incident that, whether true or not, China is clearly censoring and jailing people for publicizing?

    However you might feel intimidated in the moment, clearly once you left you understandably made a firm association between the Square and machine guns!

    You’re absolutely right. I did not think China were death dealers before Tianenmen Square, but now I do. They succeeded in terrifying me, and I think that was their intention. I was sure as hell afraid to speak truth aloud in China.

    Furthermore, you’re making silly excuses for liars

    Why should I believe you over pretty much every unbiased body in the world?

    There were people who weren’t even there for the supposed massacre (see the video) who were accounting very peculiar events in lurid detail, like tanks running over inhabited tents and then mulching them and such

    Are you referring to the on-site live announcers saying they were witnessing it in real time, and the grisly follow-up photos that China was unable to suppress of a line of corpses with tank-tread sized crush marks destoying their bodies? Are those the lie? All the photos that show half naked and unarmed people killed by large military vehicles were fabricated? Or did “armed insurrectionists” bring tanks?

    Do you think some scared college student is going to have an anxiety-based hallucination that causes them to think they were places they weren’t and saw things that have probably never happened anywhere?

    No you’re right. People can have panic-based hallucinations when tanks open fire. And the first thing they’ll do is try to take photos of it. And no matter how hard you try, the photos come out eventually. Let me reiterate, photos of bodies crushed by tanks.

    It seems to me that you are reaching for excuses, especially since you are disregarding the numerous witness, both domestic and foreign visitors, who all saw that there was no massacre in the Square

    I’ve seen photos of the massacre. I have heard witness testimonies that corroborate those photos, and witness testimonies that do not. I am aware of several governments (including my own) that have used false or intimidated witnesses to try to hide an atrocity. Why EXACTLY do you see me as “reaching for excuses”? Do you think I WANT any government to mass-murder its protestors?

    At what point should I throw out every piece of evidence I’ve ever seen in my life and believe this? How would you prove to an outside observer that Tienanmen Denial is different from Holocaust Denial?

    GarbageShootAlt2 ,

    Do you know what double-think is? Was the military killing armed insurrectionists, or was it all made up? Or were they standing their with tanks and watching the armed insurrectionists kill everyone?

    You are underestimating me. There was no killing in the Square itself, but there was fighting all around the surrounding area. The Square was killed with the highest degree of violence being hitting some protestors with batons when they didn’t disperse on the deadline after having many hours to comply.

    My position is completely consistent.

    and more than propaganda recordings from the Chinese government.

    It was a documentary made by westerners! The people speaking were student leaders at the protest and all remain Chinese dissidents! What level of being a “friendly source” could even hypothetically meet your standard without agreeing with you? I can dig up literal internal memos from US political actors that were leaked and you would still call it Chinese propaganda!

    I can dig it up for you if you’d like, though.

    Are you implying that the soldiers with machineguns were ther ebecause Falun Gong members set themselves on fire? And not because

    I’m saying there is a history of many violent incidents in connection with the Square and the government doesn’t want to let more happen. You literally suggest they are there to wordlessly pressure people into what to think despite that same incident that lead to that conclusion having the opposite effect on you! It’s a nonsensical psychodrama, not a cogent political observation.

    No you’re right. People can have panic-based hallucinations when tanks open fire

    As far as I know, the tanks never opened fire, it was all gunfire from the PLA side. It was an urban combat situation within Beijing (because it wasn’t on the Square itself, but slightly more closed areas) so having the tanks fire seems like it would be excessively destructive and hazardous. Then again, I don’t know.

    And the first thing they’ll do is try to take photos of it. And no matter how hard you try, the photos come out eventually. Let me reiterate, photos of bodies crushed by tanks.

    I think you might be thinking of some famous photos of what are clearly bikes strewn about and people taking cover.

    I’ve seen photos of the massacre. I have heard witness testimonies that corroborate those photos, and witness testimonies that do not. I am aware of several governments (including my own) that have used false or intimidated witnesses to try to hide an atrocity. Why EXACTLY do you see me as “reaching for excuses”? Do you think I WANT any government to mass-murder its protestors?

    I don’t know your life, I can’t say. You give the impression that you are a sensitive person who was traumatized and now you seek to affirm that trauma, but that’s just my impression. Atrocity propaganda is very effective, turns out, and western powers are happy to give you as much morbid slop as you can stomach. If you’ve seen any photos of people killed on the Square, feel free to reproduce them.

    At what point should I throw out every piece of evidence I’ve ever seen in my life and believe this? How would you prove to an outside observer that Tienanmen Denial is different from Holocaust Denial?

    [Aside from that being a hysterical comparison] When you speak so strongly about the evidence and then don’t produce it, you aren’t really giving me a reason to believe you. If I wanted to persuade you on the Holocaust, I’d have plenty of photos that I could show you of mass graves, piles of shoes, piles of gold teeth and fillings, nail marks on the doors of the gas chambers, and notably virtually no one who was kept prisoner in the camps who denied that killing and brutality were taking place! It’s not like we have people who were prisoners in Auschwitz saying “yeah, there were no gas chambers, no butchering, it was just a prison.” Plenty of Holocaust Deniers say that, but none were prisoners of Auschwitz.

    And yet, I can point you to people who were actually at the Square and say no one was killed on it, meanwhile other people who were already gone by that time talk about viscera being washed down gutters. In the video I showed you, two people were there to see it and one person wasn’t, and you are literally defending the “witness testimony” of the person who wasn’t there! Furthermore, she says in the hotel interview before the Incident that [in so many words] it was her plan to create atrocity propaganda in order to “wake the Chinese people up”! She explicitly wanted stories of bloodshed for the sake of her political goals, to the point of trying to deliberately endanger students who trust her for the sake of them being harmed! What makes you think she wouldn’t lie when every fact about the situation also makes it impossible for her to be telling the truth?!

    abraxas ,

    I don’t know what you seem to think about the billions of people who know about the Massacre and millions who know enough about it not to be convinced by you. You are taking the same tactic of other deniers, expecting me to have nothing but Tank Guy and my High School History book in my back pocket.

    Further, you are now accusing ME of being broken or “sensitive” for simply knowing the Tienanmen Square Massacre happened. I’m going to apply the outsider test of faith here again (I know it won’t work, I don’t care). You sound exactly like a Holocaust Denier I dealt with a year ago.

    After the hysterical comparison claims… are you asking me to post the grisly photo of a line of human bodies, crushed, with joints in wrong directions, or you won’t believe it’s true? I’m not trying to convince YOU. I know from “How to Respond to Tiananmen Trolls” (from anti-propaganda Doublethink Labs) that a video of it happening would do nothing but make you smile and say “see, no evidence”. I just need to provide a voice that the world is indeed round so that flat-earthers don’t get a better foothold.

    As for the evidence, most people have already seen it and you’re just helping them forget it was there by pointing out that I haven’t bombarded YOU with articles and photos you would just deny. I would really love (hate) to hear your rebuttal to the disgusting photo of corpses crushed by tanks, but I will not be posting NSFL content in this place.

    Also, for anyone reading, I’d like to remind people of one rebuttal to your Holocaust comparison response. YES, there are more pictures of the Holocaust than the Tienanmen Square massacre. The holocaust happened over TWELVE YEARS and there are dozens of photos. The Tienanmen Square Massacre happened on ONE day. And for the casual observer who might still be here, note that this wasn’t just some protest-turned-riot. It was a long peaceful protest that was ended by the march-in of the military. In fact, there were upper leaders in the Chinese government who wanted to NOT kill all the protestors, and instead find a peaceful agreement with them (Zhao Ziyang comes to mind) whose career ended for not being on board. But I guess they’d just be Tienanmen Square deniers too?

    I’m curious what Zhao Ziyang said publicly after the massacre. But that’s a laugh. He was kept under house arrest for the rest of his life with no charges ever being levied against him, ousted from his party leadership shortly before the massacre. Oh wait, shit, yeah, in secret memoirs he released, he acknowledged the massacre and that he agreed it was a grave mistake. Leader of the Communist Party until right before the massacre.

    There’s literally nothing but a few obviously coerced confessions that counter the truth of the massacre. And you don’t care. Ultimately, Massacre deniers will just start defending China’s “necessary” action to kill those innocent protestors, as you’ve already started doing. What you did wrong was accidentally doing it while still pretending it didn’t happen. People will notice that.

    GarbageShootAlt2 ,

    You’re just question begging, it gives me very little to engage with.

    socsa ,

    A black and white world where objective measures of press freedoms are apparently inversely proportional to trustworthiness of said journalists.

    Random blog with a Soviet flag? Impossible to be propaganda, because only capitalism can do a propaganda.

    Some of the world’s oldest free media with a long history of investigating the British government? Literally nothing but propaganda.

    OurToothbrush ,

    A black and white world where objective measures of press freedoms are apparently inversely proportional to trustworthiness of said journalists.

    Oh my god, are you seriously claiming you can objectively measure press freedoms while saying socialists live in a black and white world? Just want to give you a chance to walk back your statement

    socsa ,

    I am quite curious to know your methodology for measuring press freedom so we can compare and perhaps find something which can be considered locally objective.

    OurToothbrush ,

    You’re retreating into “locally” objective. In this topic you’re not going to get agreement on what constitutes press freedom, so it is pointless. My point is that the claim of objective press freedom existing is ridiculous. You walked it back, but to a position that still seems ridiculous to me.

    For example, I dont believe there is such thing as a free press. Any org that can produce a press machine is going to influence that press, whether that is a government or private interests. Editorial freedom isn’t possible, editorial control just ranges from the subtle to the overt.

    socsa ,

    You are the only one making assumptions here. I want to find some common ground.

    So let’s pull this thread. I agree that bias is inevitable, but do you believe this negates the value of even trying to protect press freedom? And if so, do you extend this to all forms of truth seeking?

    OurToothbrush , (edited )

    So let’s pull this thread. I agree that bias is inevitable, but do you believe this negates the value of even trying to protect press freedom? And if so, do you extend this to all forms of truth seeking?

    Of course bias is inevitable, Im saying institutional bias will always be enforced down the chain onto journalists and writers.

    Can you give me your definition of press freedom? Because it seems contradictory if the owner of a press will influence what is published but journalists of that press somehow have press freedom.

    socsa ,

    Well so first of all, I don’t consider only corporate or state owned media outlets to be “the press.” But certainly, editorial freedom is a big part of press freedom. One media outlet can only exert editorial control over its own journalists. It cannot force editorial restrictions onto all media the same way a government can. I think this is pretty low hanging fruit when it comes to press freedom - individual bias can be averaged out, but centralized, legally enforced bias cannot. This feels axiomatic to me, but it may not be to others whichbis why I think these conversations are so interesting.

    OurToothbrush , (edited )

    cannot force editorial restrictions onto all media the same way a government can. I think this is pretty low hanging fruit when it comes to press freedom

    Yes they can, it is called private (as opposed to personal) property rights enforced by the state. The range of opinion will always be broadly supportive of the capitalist government.

    Please read inventing reality or manufacturing consent. I am tired and I feel like you aren’t interested in learning, with or without changing your opinion.

    socsa ,

    I don’t know why you think I have not read those books. I’m quite familiar with both, and agree with many aspects of them. I assure you though, Chomsky is not a press skeptic they way I think you are implying. And not everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant. You are the one shutting down conversation and making accusations.

    But either way, this is quite easy to back test. Is there no western media you can think of which is critical of Capitalism? Maybe even someone you just cited?

    OurToothbrush ,

    Based on what you’ve said you really need to read those books again.

    But either way, this is quite easy to back test. Is there no western media you can think of which is critical of Capitalism? Maybe even someone you just cited?

    Point out the flaw in this rhetoric like Parenti would, given you’ve read him.

    socsa ,

    The corporate media will always serve the elites over token dissent. And token dissent protects capitalists from Capitalism. He is quite funny and self aware when he wants be.

    Trust me I get it. What I don’t recall is Parenti expressing general skepticism of press freedom as a first principle. He mostly argues that capitalism corrupts the media. Again, this is laughably self evident.

    Parenti and Chomsky are more left-libertarians though. Chomsky in particular is a outspoken and vocal critic of Lenin’s centralism and is a vehement defender of press freedom. I would say that my ideas of press freedom are quite aligned with theirs, and it seems as if you are one who has fundamentally missed the message.

    OurToothbrush ,

    The corporate media will always serve the elites over token dissent. And token dissent protects capitalists from Capitalism. He is quite funny and self aware when he wants be.

    So why did you say the silly thing you said in the first place? And why do you consider corporate press to be more free than government press?

    socsa ,

    I’ve explained this already. I largely reject the notion that token dissent is less free than no dissent. As do both of the authors you cited.

    OurToothbrush ,

    Do you have proof that there is no dissent within socialist countries? Because based on my readings there is plenty of lively debate. Hell, you can look at streams of the vietnamese assembly.

    socsa ,

    I literally know nothing about Vietnamese politics. But I also don’t think I’ve made any assertion that press/individual freedoms are incompatible with socialism. In fact, I think I’ve been pretty clear about this forum “deserving a better brand of socialist”

    OurToothbrush ,

    Okay, you dont know anything about vietnamese politics and you don’t think there can be press freedom under government control, got it.

    mycorrhiza ,

    Is there no western media you can think of which is critical of Capitalism? Maybe even someone you just cited?

    Are you saying the west has trustworthy press because Parenti and Chomsky were allowed to publish books?

    fishtacos ,

    Wow, what? Communists talk openly about propaganda… You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    We are well aware what our biases are. We are trying to get westerners to see their own biases. Being called out as hypocrites feels like an attack, but when we say everyone have biases, we know it’s true about us too.

    Absorb news from a wide variety of sources, including sources from other countries, and you’ll see that the BBC is in fact biased against China.

    It takes time, and reading a lot, and you won’t get it from Lemmy/Reddit/twitter(or X or whatever now)/FB. Even ground news only has so many sources. And you know what, the BBC does great coverage for a lot of things, they are a pretty high quality source for a lot of news. But yeah, everyone has biases, and the BBC is biased against China.

    OurToothbrush ,

    It doesn’t mean that reports are false just because two states are enemies (which is an exaggeration).

    If they were strongly cited I would not be criticizing people believing them. All sources are biased, the question is how factual a source is.

    The BBC is strongly biased against China. If they make claims without proof the most logical course of action is to not assume they are telling the truth and not incorporate what they say into your beliefs. (Note that this is different than “assume they are lying”)

    socsa ,

    Aren’t these threads wild? These people don’t want to engage in actual discussion here. They just want to remove your agency by calling you brainwashed, do the sealion “source” thing, and then ad hominem away any sources you do provide.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - the world deserves a better class of communist.

    OurToothbrush ,

    It isn’t sealioning to expect a government or corporate news agency to provide strong citations when making contentious claims.

    GarbageShootAlt2 ,

    They just want to remove your agency by calling you brainwashed

    Unlike when the liberals in this very thread accuse people of being brainwashed or paid shills, because then it is righteous!

    do the sealion “source” thing,

    lmao what dastardly trolls they are to care about sourcing

    and then ad hominem away any sources you do provide.

    Like you’d ever accept People’s Daily or whatever. The “tankies” need to mostly rely on liberal outlets because you will discard reporting out of China (etc.) out of hand.

    the world deserves a better class of communist.

    If we had a better class of communist, you’d hate them too because you’d believe everything you’re told about them, just like you do with the existing breeds.

    MacroCyclo ,

    Yeah, China was a major ally, but it is showing its dark (autocratic) side lately.

    Freeman ,

    I saw a piece about the shadow police in germany lately. I am sure that the chinese foreign police exists.

    OurToothbrush ,

    I have no doubt, every nation has secret police. I simply doubt they are doing what the article suggests theyre doing. It seems to me the article is interested in explaining why there aren’t many uyghur Muslims joining their narrative and why a lot of them are supportive of China and feel their culture is respected.

    givesomefucks , to world in McDonald's to buy back Israeli restaurants after boycotts - BBC News

    There’s a reason Israel spends so much lobbying money to make boycotting their companies illegal…

    Ghostalmedia ,
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    Where is boycotting “illegal?”

    Ranvier , (edited )

    A lot of places, to varying degrees:

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws

    Usually in the US more by making it illegal to sign government contracts with any boycotters of Israel, or by preventing public funds from investing into any entities perceived as boycotting Israel. These things could be devastating to any businesses or non profits that work with the government, or any publicly traded companies (due to decreased investment). Technically boycotting Israel in general can’t be made illegal in the US, as that would be a free speech violation.

    Ghostalmedia ,
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    Interesting. TIL.

    febra ,

    So basically in all the countries that are in love with settler colonialism, condemning and boycotting settler colonialism is illegal.

    Wanderer ,

    Okay. I keep seeing things that clearly point to something. But whenever anyone brings it up they are mentioned as a crazy racist conspiracy theorist. But sometimes conspiracy theories are true.

    I’m not American. Is America (the goverment/ media/ Hollywood whatever) over represented by Jews that favour their own interest and the interest if Israel?

    Is so what evidence is there and why does no one care?

    Just to be clear I don’t think this is a some illuminati style super government. More like how in the past America was super racist and a lot of people would give a white person beneficial treatment over blacks. Like that but more hidden.

    bartolomeo ,
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    Look up AIPAC to start. They can effectively write the rules in the U.S., like this one

    www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/…/text

    Opensecrets.org is a good website to follow political financing too. Check how much Biden got this election cycle.

    bartolomeo ,
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    Israel is really against free speech. This law might in the future be used to make BDS a hate crime or some equally perverse analogy like that. Israel will gladly throw away other people’s rights for their own benefit (not least their neighbors’ rights), and they are completely throwing Jews in general under the bus, as it has been from the beginning:

    Herzl described [Jewish] opponents of the Zionism he was proposing as “Jewish vermin”

    In fact, the more anti-semitism rises in the world, the more Jews will believe they should move to Israel, thus serving the Zionist agenda. Israel might throw America under the bus too, just to get their way.

    The current struggle is not Israel vs. Palestine or Israel vs. Hamas but Israel vs. human rights and freedom, and we do have to pick a side.

    I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.

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    ModernRisk ,
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    Not the one you asked but I believe in Germany. Not sure though.

    At least they certainly condemn and are* against the boycot movement:

    1. Germany rules BDS movement ‘anti-Semitic

    Edit: changed “we” to “are”

    givesomefucks ,

    Someone already linked the Wikipedia article.

    But to expound on that, some US states make people sign a pledge to not participate in BDS if they have a job or even just contract with the state.

    It’s incredibly fucked up and few people talk about it.

    Inside every major contract Missouri signs with a business sits a clause about boycotting Israel.

    All but the smallest companies have to agree not to participate in any movement that aims to boycott, divest from or sanction companies in Israel.

    Missouri isn’t alone. At least 36 other states have anti-BDS (boycott, divest or sanction) measures that bar state contractors from refusing to do business in Israel, or otherwise boycotting or divesting from the country or its occupied territories.

    kcbeacon.org/…/missouri-anti-bds-israel-contracts…

    Mr_Blott ,

    That would be another FREEDOM ©®™ then?

    dlatch , (edited )

    That is some dystopian shit, what the fuck.

    TrueStoryBob ,

    The American Israeli Public Affairs Committee is one of the largest political lobbies in the United States.

    dlatch ,

    I know and I always thought that is bullshit, but making it (for all intends and purposes) illegal to boycot companies from another country is next level. That’s giving away freedoms of your own citizens purely to the advantage of another country. That is insane.

    bartolomeo ,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    Isn’t it? And it has been going on since long before you and me heard about it. The best we can do for justice is to just spread truths like this, because the only reason injustices like that find so much success is that they are hidden and done in secret.

    peg ,

    There’s a bill passing through the British parliament right now.

    WhoIsTheDrizzle , to news in Boeing: How much trouble is the company in?

    They also likely murdered John Barnett, but I’m sure they are too big to fail or be tried for murder.

    credo ,

    Kinda hard to try a corporation for murder and stick it in jail, even though we all know it’s a person.

    Zron ,

    Whole company? Very difficult.

    Whole board of directors? That’s easy

    urfavlaura , to worldnews in King Charles III diagnosed with cancer, Buckingham Palace says

    oh no anyway

    but in all seriousness I hope he dies that guy is a piece of shit

    Twentytwodividedby7 ,

    Based on what specific actions? Just curious

    CanadaPlus ,

    Yeah, hot take, but he’s underrated. Monarchy is dumb but at least this guy is progressive and personally kind.

    Squizzy ,

    Personally kind enough to publicly carry on an affair for years

    peter ,
    @peter@feddit.uk avatar

    We all gotta get some

    CanadaPlus , (edited )

    Just sounds like a rich dude to me. Like, I think this is the main reason he’s unpopular, but aristos often keep a harem and Diana herself seems overrated.

    Botanicals ,

    Him and his current wife visibly mocked Inuit throat singers and have a long history of being childish and rude during events that are supposed to honor them. Personally kind to whom?

    CanadaPlus , (edited )

    Did he? I didn’t know about that. So, just white people then.

    HerbalGamer ,
    @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar
    1. He’s a Royal.
    kamenoko ,

    He was close friends with two high profile pedophiles. That’s enough for me.

    Xer0 ,

    When I signed up here, I genuinely thought this place was going to be better than Reddit. Seeing the difference in comments here and on Reddit for this exact same piece of news, just made me realise that this place is a piece of shit with absolutely zero empathy for anyone.

    Thordros ,
    @Thordros@hexbear.net avatar

    “Could it be that the zero empathy is because the man is reviled globally for good reasons?”

    “No, it’s the colonized who are wrong.”

    Alaskaball ,
    @Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

    Damn redditors actually have a correct opinion on the most basic thing?

    Well shit, broken clocks and all that

    Xer0 ,

    Reading is hard apparently. I said the difference in comments between here and reddit, meaning what I saw over there was NOT people wishing for his death.

    nohaybanda ,

    Common Reddit L

    aaaaaaadjsf ,
    @aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net avatar

    The redditors got it right for once?

    Why would you have empathy for monarchs? It’s the ultimate form of nepotism, believing that they can rule an entire country because of their bloodline. If they don’t abdicate the throne and dissolve the institution, they don’t deserve respect.

    Xer0 ,

    The redditors didn’t agree with wishing death upon the man, no. It was the exact opposite from what I saw.

    TheLepidopterists ,
    @TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net avatar

    Probably just the anglo intelligence assets that pass for moderators over there removed all the cool comments. What can you do shrug-outta-hecks

    ShimmeringKoi ,
    @ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

    Redditors habitually wish death upon homeless people and porch pirates, of course they bootlick monarchs too.

    purahna ,
    @purahna@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    give us one singular solitary good reason we should have empathy for this decrepit, cheating, silver spoon mouthed, tax leeching, sex pest, waste of money and attention

    Sleazy_Albanese ,

    He’s about to prove homeopathy really works. He’s going to change the world for the better.

    WittyProfileName2 ,
    @WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net avatar

    No one voted for the wanker, but we still have to pay to keep him and his incestous kin in riches while our fellow countrymen starve in the street.

    He wants pity, he should abandon this hereditary rule bullshit and take all those unelected peers up in parliament with him back to the medieval age where they belong.

    LaLuzDelSol ,

    Nah its just a leftist echo chamber. They have sympathy for the working class, but are very prejudiced against the wealthy. Personally, I would guess Charles is a decent human being, like most people. Im sure hes done some shitty things over the course of a long and extremely public life, but pretty much everyone has. I disagree with the concept of royalty but that doesn’t mean I want all monarchs to drop dead. Not a lot of nuance on Lemmy.

    FALGSConaut ,
    @FALGSConaut@hexbear.net avatar

    Imagine pearl clutching for some ancient inbred royal dipshit. Literal medieval peasant brain. “Oh no won’t someone think of the million year old pervert who lived a long life full of luxury one can barely begin to comprehend” Fuck him, fuck his whole family, I hope every single royal gets aggressive untreatable cancer, that’s better than they deserve.

    TL,DR: dennis I didn’t vote for him!

    Xer0 ,

    Holy fucking shit, triggered much little bro?

    FALGSConaut ,
    @FALGSConaut@hexbear.net avatar

    Mainly confused and surprised someone would support a monarch in the 21st century. You don’t even have the excuse that the queen has been in charge for your whole life so you feel obligated to support her out of a misplaced sense of loyalty or something. Some ancient failson gets to sit in a golden chair and you can’t lick his boots fast enough. It’s pathetic, you aren’t even worshiping someone who can claim they got to where they are on personal merit, he just had to wait for his mom to die and he almost couldn’t even do that! Monarchy is such a farce, I’d be embarrassed to support that shit

    Xer0 ,

    Sure seems to have hit a nerve with you.

    TC_209 ,

    Charlie is never gonna fuck you.

    7bicycles ,

    made me realise that this place is a piece of shit with absolutely zero empathy for anyone.

    Is every person the king of england or how do you get to this conclusion?

    Templa ,

    I understand your frustration but I fail to understand why the need of empathy for a monarch of all people

    comrade_pibb ,
    @comrade_pibb@hexbear.net avatar

    king charlie plz notice me uwu

    ComradeLove ,
    @ComradeLove@hexbear.net avatar

    If this was a gay asylum seeking Guatemalan Muslim woman union leader we’d probably react differently, so you’re wrong about that.

    ShimmeringKoi ,
    @ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

    Not so, we have plenty of empathy for those who actually deserve it.

    Palestine will be free, long live the PFLP, long live Ansar Allah, full support to the DPRK in it’s quest to free their southern siblings from beneath the heel of the genocidal American empire.

    DarkGamer , to world in Afghanistan: 'Tea is sometimes all I have to give my hungry baby'
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    The Taliban are the worst, It was a real shame that afghanis caved so quickly to them.

    NateNate60 ,

    People get blinded by religious extremism. Those that don’t generally just want to live in peace and don’t want to fight wars to maintain a fragile government that wasn’t even that great to begin with.

    We all like to think of ourselves as brave souls who would put down our lives for our ideals but at the end of the day most of us will not actually stand up when the time comes to it.

    TserriednichThe4th ,

    Same shit in Palestine. Brain washed population

    MaxVoltage ,
    @MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

    Absolutely comrade muslim lunatics

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    Afghanistan simply did not have the national consciousness necessary for Afghans to come together in opposition to the Taliban, which was united on ideological/religious grounds.

    DarkGamer ,
    @DarkGamer@kbin.social avatar

    Which is a shame because they seemed like they were on a trajectory to become a modern country in the 70's. Today, they are positively mediaeval. It seems like religion has ruined the region.

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    Sadly, much more complex than religion. But yes, it's terrible how much potential has been wasted and how many lives ruined.

    Linkerbaan , (edited )
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    It was the Taliban or pedo rapist warlords instated by the US

    youtu.be/Ja5Q75hf6QI?t=51m9s

    The longer you watch the worse it gets.

    “Try finding me a police commander that doesn’t rape little boys” is an actual quote from the American installed military police.

    deft ,

    the Taliban are pedo rapist warlords bro

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    No they fought the pedo rapist American warlords. Just watch the video I’ve linked and tell me your BS again.

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    The heroic Taliban, fighting the pedo rapists, lmao

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    It’d be so funny if it wasn’t true. But keep deferring watching the video.

    deft ,

    how about you google bachi bazi and then get back to me, let’s see if you hold that same thought.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes my man that’s literally the term used by American backed pedo rapist warlords. You are proving my point.

    deft ,

    How? I’m genuinely curious how you understand an Arabic word being the US term for this well documented historic cultural fact that predates the creation of the United States

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    The Taliban actually outlawed that shit. The Americans promoted it.

    But keep not watching the video that adresses your very point.

    deft ,

    They do not enforce the outlaw at all.

    Also saying the US promoted it is absolutely bullshit we know of the war crimes committed by the US. That’s not one.

    Specifically the opposite

    slate.com/…/american-military-told-troops-to-igno…

    www.theodysseyonline.com/what-is-bacha-bazi

    nytimes.com/…/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-a…

    huffpost.com/…/the-dancing-boys-of-afghanistan_b_…

    npr.org/…/how-the-u-s-military-ignored-child-sexu…

    NOT_RICK ,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    They’re not wrong that bachi bazi is outlawed by the Taliban, but characterizing it as a policy endorsed by the US is ridiculous. I also question how effective the Taliban ban on the practice is, just like I question the Taliban’s purported ban on opium cultivation. Generally when there is money to be made even the morality police turn a blind eye.

    deft ,

    washingtonexaminer.com/…/photos-video-and-testimo…

    They made it illegal but allegedly it still happens and they don’t enforce it as much as you’d like to believe they do. Likely they ban it for international appearance

    Ullallulloo ,
    @Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com avatar

    Sadly, the Taliban isn’t even the worst. They’re now fighting insurgents from ISIS-K, which is an even more violent and oppressive terrorist group.

    PugJesus ,
    @PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

    Funny how it can always get worse. Not ha-ha funny, though.

    MaxVoltage ,
    @MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

    i am always extremely sus of any Afghan person i meet. No offense but i know what they had to do to survive

    feminalpanda ,
    @feminalpanda@lemmings.world avatar

    Would you say the same about poor people living in the hood?

    darganon , to world in Bobi, the world's oldest dog ever, dies aged 31

    I just don’t buy it as a 31 year old dog.

    originalucifer ,
    @originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

    yeah, no grey hair at all??

    verysoft ,

    That's the secret to living long, just don't go grey.

    SayJess ,
    @SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Ima try that.

    ericisshort ,

    Hair dye is the fountain of youth.

    DagonPie ,
    @DagonPie@kbin.social avatar

    Im not even 30 yet and im going gray. How fucked am i

    JustAManOnAToilet ,

    There’s a natural regimen to save yourself - you must cut out all gluten, eat meals consisting of horse/radish paste (that’s a paste made of horses and radishes), and drink at least 6 glasses of clam juice per day.

    roguetrick ,

    Where do you get your gluten free horses?

    nezbyte ,

    Etsy or eBay surprisingly enough. They are mildly radioactive, but worth every penny!

    verysoft ,

    You will be lucky to outlive Bobi.

    Zoidsberg ,
    @Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca avatar

    At least you have hair

    medicsofanarchy ,
    @medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world avatar

    (notes your comment is 5 hours old. Too late to reply.)

    agent_flounder ,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe there’s some weird anti aging mechanism at play?

    Kecessa ,

    Yeah, old dogs get grey hair just like we do

    hips.hearstapps.com/…/senior-labrador-retriever-m…:*

    roguetrick ,

    To be sure. A purebred dog the kids "kept secret" for several years after a culling. So only the kids knew the dog even existed. Sounds more like the kids found a puppy and justified keeping it by saying they always had it.

    ryven ,
    @ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    How many years after the culling are we thinking they “found” him? Because even if you take off 10 years, he looked astonishingly good for 21!

    Even if they’re a few years off, he lived to be ancient.

    roguetrick ,

    Of that I have no doubt.

    Catoblepas ,

    It doesn’t say in the article how long they kept the dog secret. They were 8 so I can’t imagine it was more than a week or two.

    BassTurd ,

    To confirm, they can cut off one of the legs and count the rings.

    idunnololz ,
    @idunnololz@lemmy.world avatar

    Ohhhhhhh that makes sense. 👍

    0Xero0 , to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia
    @0Xero0@lemmy.world avatar

    He should have gone all the way when he started the mutiny against Putin. He would be dead either way but at least he had the chance to take Hitler’s disciple with him to hell.

    MathiasTCK ,

    Their MO is to threaten family members, threaten subordinates family members, etc.

    joel ,

    Somehow I doubt Russia would have been better off with Prighozhin in charge. I mean he was the one who did Putins dirty work for him.

    watson387 , to worldnews in Donald Trump social media post flagged by prosecutors in court filing
    @watson387@sopuli.xyz avatar

    How anyone sees this man as anything other than a lumpy pile of orange shit is baffling.

    Motavader ,

    He’s a poor man’s vision of a rich man, an ignorant man’s vision of a smart man, and a weak man’s vision of a strong man.

    Piecemakers3Dprints ,
    @Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

    Even a blind man can smell this leprotic turd a mile off.

    entropicdrift ,
    @entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    It’s simple: he spoke to an undercurrent of emotional resentment that a lot of people had and gave them permission to feel like they were good people (or at least not bad people) for feeling that way. Every seemingly logical explanation that the right twists into place in hindsight is only a justification for that gut reaction.

    They want to feel good for having xenophobic, nationalist feelings. He gave them permission and said they were the good guys and everyone who disagrees is wrong. They only care about the facts that back up that perspective, everything else is conveniently discarded to defend their collective ego. 45’s narcissism helps him win this crowd because he’s been ignoring all inconvenient facts his whole life, and whenever that habit catches up with him he always has a scapegoat or 12 ready to go.

    michael ,
    @michael@lemmy.perthchat.org avatar

    Well written, I wonder what caused that emotional resentment?

    My guess would be cancel culture, I believe his supporters only like him because progressive people hate him.

    lencioni ,

    Probably has something to do with racism and the election of a black president.

    Sigma ,

    the emotional resentment comes from the perpetual victim mentality. the only way their way of life works is if they are constantly under attack by a villain of the week thats simultaneously incompetent and feeble but also sadistic and near unstoppable.

    fedditurus_est ,

    Yeah I guess there’s also underlying issues of feeling lost and insignificant in a complex world. Add to that economic struggle and a lacking class awareness and cognitive dissonance does the rest.

    essellburns ,

    It doesn’t hurt his popularity with his supporters that so many hate him, it fits with the overall narrative of that constituency that people want them silenced.

    You can see this is in how many conservatives complain about cancel culture silencing them, they use phrases like “you can’t say anything anymore” enmass on social media and run dozens of media publications and TV about how their voices are being silenced.

    The irony of all this is ignored in the fury.

    To really understand trump’s popularity you need to see him as a symptom not a cause. People who grew up without exposure to difference, in environments where difference was not tolerated, are feeling upset that the differences are being accepted.

    They always believed the narrative that those differences just didn’t exist in the past and so the can see a rapid change in the world which they see as the destruction of the world they know.

    Had they known that differences were their all along, only being kept out of sight, they’d know this isn’t a slide towards anything, it’s just a recognition of everything that was always already there.

    AirDevil , to world in Tucker Carlson: Putin takes charge as TV host gives free rein to Kremlin

    You know when you’re at a park, see a dog, feel something squish under your foot, and then pick up your fooh to look at it? Yeah, exactly like that but in human form

    Wogi ,

    You know when you’re wearing socks and you step in something wet, and sticky?

    That

    computerscientistI , to worldnews in King Charles III diagnosed with cancer, Buckingham Palace says

    The royal family, including Charles are big proponents of homeopathy. Let’s see how much homeopathy is going to help him now. I’m sure at least as much as those alternative methods Steve Jobs chose helped him, back then…

    brbposting ,

    You’ve got to be kidding me. Is it corruption or stupidity? As in, are they selling vials of contaminated water as medicine or are they just known to trust pseudoscience?

    computerscientistI ,

    The water/solvent isn’t even contaminated. It is deluted so thoroughly, you can’t even find a single molecule of whatever ingredient is supposed to show any effect.

    brbposting ,
    PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
    @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s hypocrisy and the typical rich bozo alienation syndrome, they have easy and unlimited access to best medicine in the world, so it’s easy to forget that others don’t and promote charlatanerie. It could also be malicious if we look at how they don’t do anything against gutting the healthcare.

    brbposting ,

    So, stupidity or strong belief in placebo?

    PolandIsAStateOfMind ,
    @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

    I imagine he is not that stupid nor really believes in a placebo.

    cupcakezealot ,
    @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    i mean one of king charles issues has been furthering cancer research…

    stopthatgirl7 OP , to news in Tsunami warning in Japan after strong earthquake
    @stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

    I live in western Japan, and felt this earthquake even here - it lasted as long as the 311 Tohoku quake, and an NHK news announcer was screaming for people in the Noto area to flee to higher ground because of the tsunami.

    TWeaK ,

    Crazy, hope you’re safe and please do keep us updated.

    Brunbrun6766 ,
    @Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

    If you have family in the area I hope the best for them, what a terrible event.

    stopthatgirl7 OP ,
    @stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

    My family’s all in the US, so they’re all fine, but worried about me over here.

    I’m watching the TV now just feeling gutted at some of the images.

    stopthatgirl7 OP ,
    @stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

    If the picture doesn’t show up, it’s also here.

    Brunbrun6766 ,
    @Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

    Jesus, thank you for sharing. I hope the casualties remain low

    aeronmelon ,

    I had to watch another station because that woman was just yelling into the mic nonstop. I understand, but for someone watching from Saitama it was too much.

    Thankfully, the warning was overblown. One wave hit the breakwater in Noto, but it wasn’t as big as they were expecting. More damage was done by a gas fire inside the city. And I think they’re trying to locate some people after a few buildings with old clay-shingled roofs collapsed.

    theangryseal ,

    After the video footage I seen from the last tsunami I would imagine that people are pretty fucking traumatized and will react that way for the rest of their lives.

    I was traumatized from the footage and I have no personal connections to anyone in Japan.

    Drusas ,

    Can confirm, was living in Tohoku during the 2011 disaster.

    I live in Washington now and still do things like check geological maps to avoid living in areas that are prone to liquefaction and pay attention to signs so as to be aware of tsunami evacuation routes when I visit the coast.

    Arrakis , to worldnews in Air Canada accused of forcing man with cerebral palsy to drag himself off plane

    As a wheelchair user who has the misfortune of needing to fly quite often: my go-to method when this happens (which is about 30% of the time) is to refuse to leave. That way, a nice bunch of burly security officers come and lift me off, saving me the days of pain that dragging myself on the floor causes.

    It’s awesome living in a society that doesn’t give a shit.

    madcaesar ,

    Doesn’t this get you banned?

    Arrakis ,

    For what, flying while legless?

    xavier666 ,

    I heard you can get blacklisted by the airline

    cactusupyourbutt ,

    Im not usually one to suggest lawsuits, but baby would this be textbook discrimination

    also probably breach of contract (you paid for someone to get you a wheelchair which didnt happen)

    Arrakis ,

    Honestly I would love them to try, I could use some extra cash.

    madcaesar ,

    Not that, refusing to leave and security being called.

    Arrakis , (edited )

    So far, once security arrive and see that the person refusing to leave the plane is physically unable to leave the plane, the bat starts to get swung towards the airline. I’ve been lucky I guess in that the human factor always kicks in to my favour.

    Once I had law enforcement called (I can’t remember where I was exactly - as frequent fliers can empathise with - but it was somewhere in east Asia, maybe China) to remove me and I was freaking out about being stuck into a prison, and when the officers arrived they took one look at me and started SCREAMING at the flight crew. If I hadn’t been stressed to the hilt and freaking about about the deadline I was missing I probably would have found it hilarious.

    (Also sorry if I sounded facetious before, where I’m from being legless is slang for being drunk so I was making a joke that I now realise no one else will have got)

    espentan ,

    Nice to hear there’s still a good amount of sensible people out there, and that some of them are even in law enforcement.

    Arrakis ,

    It’s easy to lump everyone together into the 'bad’uns" category, but from my experience even the worst of bad’uns have some humanity in them.

    Sometime it’s just very deep down ;)

    madcaesar ,

    Good to hear!

    SpacetimeMachine ,

    That sounds like it would make for a great lawsuit.

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