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jayandp ,

Reason why I love my Subaru is that it still has buttons for almost everything, yet still has Android Auto.

time_fo_that ,

Not the new ones. They’re all touch screen and it’s soooo slow to start up and do anything, including HVAC and heated seats. My friend’s new Outback has it and it’s not good.

GeminiFrenchFry ,

I have a '22 Crosstrek and most options are buttons with a large screen I use with Android Auto. I would hate HVAC and heated seats integrates into the screen because I love mine being buttons, switches, and dials. Plus, I can control most of the screen features from my steering wheel.

Pavidus ,

This is why I chose Mazda. No touch screen at all, just a display for Android auto.

KpntAutismus ,

my 1st gen yaris has a space for a 1din radio, but there’s a 3rd party frame that lets you get rid of the casette player (you read that right) and allows for a 2din radio.

buy one of those pioneer radios, throw some blaupunkt widebands in there, and i have a top of the line entertainment system.

i want to drive that car forever…

hardcoreufo ,

When I bought my Tiguan the dealer was pushing really hard for me to get a 2022 which has just come in. It was the first year to have capacitive steering wheel buttons. I told them to find a 2021 or I’m looking at something else. I think the car market was still a little slow at that time so they made it happen to get a sale.

Locrin ,

Yet the model Y is the world’s most sold car. Maybe it’s not the touch screen that is the problem.

nowwhatnapster ,

As a Model 3 owner of 5 years, it’s really a non issue, in my opinion. All the basic controls you need while in motion are on the steering wheel. The touchscreen is responsive and intuitive.

restingboredface ,

Not sure where you get that data but according to Statista the top selling car is a Toyota corolla. Tesla model y is on the list but at #4.

Touchscreens probably aren’t the deciding factor in a purchase but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t a problem for users. People just have to decide what features they are willing to compromise on (assuming they have a choice, and touchscreens increasingly are unavoidable).

Locrin ,

Current year of course.

www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/

kameecoding ,

Oh look they sre following in Hyundais footsteps

thedrive.com/…/hyundai-promises-to-keep-buttons-i…

cheeseblintzes ,
@cheeseblintzes@lemmy.world avatar

Thank god.

Touchscreens in a car never made any sense.

Donjuanme ,

Not all of the buttons. Please be reasonable. Just some of the buttons.

I don’t need memory buttons.

I don’t want to push the button half a dozen times, just to miss the menu I wanted by 1 click, and have to go around again.

I don’t need separate am fm and cd buttons.

I really don’t mind a touch screen for climate control, or audio interface. Just keep the business from moving around the screen at all and I’m pretty happy.

troydowling ,

I was with you up until the climate controls.

Any control you can find in a 1997 Hyundai Accent should be physical.

Anything else can be hidden behind a touchscreen because I’m not going to use it while driving anyway.

My big request would be to drop the USB cable. I don’t know why I need to connect both USB and Bluetooth. I’d love to just leave my cell in my bag where it belongs instead of advertising yet another reason why someone should smash my windows in!

jasondj ,

Yeah climate control is where he lost me. My wife’s Honda odyssey has that.

I’m okay with the soft-buttons for memory, or to toggle input, since they are always in fixed locations. In fact soft-buttons are slightly better because they are labeled with the station….though my 2013 Passat has the better compromise of a physical button with the station printed above it.

But HVAC is where I draw the line. I guess the trade off would be that a thermostatically controlled digital systems are probably more simplistic, in their operation and maintenance, than the vacuum-and-linkage systems of yore, and this gives way to multi-zone climate systems in mass market cars. But I still hate that I have to utilize the touchscreen to change which blowers are on or to change the temperature in the rear zone, which blocks GPS if you’re using CarPlay/Android Auto/Nav (I’d assume, I don’t have nav).

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Really the only thing on my Tesla I ever need to access on the touchscreen while driving is the climate controls (assuming I don’t want to use voice, which is a pain as it hears you wrong)

The other used to be fog lights, but I just keep those on now for extra visibility, like another day time running light.

Everything else including wipers I can do from the wheel now without having to touch the screen.

I only use voice to choose a new song/artist, I’m not trying to navigate spotify by hand while driving.

flambonkscious ,

What in hearing is … Dials are good too?

xthexder ,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

Just wait 'til you try this knob!

flambonkscious ,

Love a good knob…

PrincessLeiasCat ,

Thank god. End this shitty touchscreen fad. I have problems reading things too close, so the buttons/knobs in my 10+ year old car are a lifesaver.

yuki2501 ,
@yuki2501@lemmy.world avatar

Seems the novelty VW engineers had to be reminded of the first item in the Unix philosophy:

Make each program do one thing, and do it well.

Buttons already had this. Each single button did one and only one thing: Turn a feature on or off, or in the case of the radio, switch stations.

We didn’t need complicated menus to navigate. Press the appropriate button, and voilá. It was simple. It worked.

Who the fuck came up with the idea of having to use touch menus? I have no idea, but I really hope they got fired.

novemberalpha ,

I get what you’re saying, up to a point. But you really don’t want the dashboard to look like the average TV remote either.

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    dual_sport_dork ,
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    I would be down with that, 100%.

    My car doesn’t have nearly that many functions, though. Nor do I want it to. Owners of modern cars would shit a brick if they saw the dash on my '99 Silverado and how simple it is. It has a grand total of about 12 buttons on it, and three dials. That’s it.

    Somehow it manages to drive down the road just fine, heat or cool the interior, twiddle all the lights, change all the radio stations, play or rewind the tape. (Yes, tape.) Just with those few controls, all of which only do one thing. Except the turn signal stalk, and technically I guess the shifter lever because it has the tow/haul button on the end of it.

    The amount of bullshit that’s built into modern cars is astounding. The majority of that crap doesn’t need to be in a car. Which is, you know, a transportation machine. If the passenger wants four touch screens, that’s fine. I don’t need one. I don’t want one.

    marx2k ,

    I really just need the “fix” button

    Edit: “legs” could also work of adequately sexy

    Raxiel ,

    Not that airliners don’t have a lot of things to press (and two people to press them), but the majority of the controls in that image are the navigation, radio, and autopilot controls.

    orrk ,

    would take TV remote over touch display any day, those things are horrible in so many ways, lack of tactile feedback and having to confirm it registered the input is literally a lethal hazard because it’s another reason people aren’t looking on the road while driving

    Threeme2189 ,

    Have you ever seen an airplane cockpit? Those things are crowded and confusing. A car, on the other hand, is simple enough that the average person gets used to all of the button, knobs, switches and dials in a few days.

    Tetractys ,

    Why? It’s not an art peice hanging above your desk. You’re putting from over function.

    Buddahriffic ,

    I mean, I get a bit jealous when I see the cockpit of an F1 car. So many knobs, buttons, and switches and they don’t even have climate control or entertainment systems.

    That level isn’t necessary with daily drivers, but I’d rather have physical buttons for any action I’ll want to do while moving and zero latency for any action that physically positions something like my seat or mirrors.

    nutsack ,

    the more important thing here is that you can find and press a button without looking at it

    popcap200 ,

    I test drove one, and the touch buttons were ass, but nobody mentions the lag. There’s ZERO feedback, do you press the button again and watch the screen show you turn the thing on and then back off.

    I would NEVER buy a car with touch controls based on this experience. It was horrible.

    Buddahriffic ,

    I wonder if that’s a lingering effect from the auto chip shortage from 2020 (limited choice lead to using processors less powerful than they’d like), or just the general shitty quality common when companies try to add features outside of what they are familiar with? Maybe combined with hiring shitty developers that want to run a full browser stack when they need to be doing embedded real-time programming instead?

    f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4 ,

    I swore I would never buy a car with a touchscreen, but I ended up with a Toyota with no noticable touch lag and physical controls for everything important. The steering wheel buttons also replicate all phone- and radio-related functions that are on the touchscreen.

    The wife’s Honda (a few years older) has too many physical controls. For example, I’m fairly certain you could turn on heat for the driver and rear passenger-side, and air conditioning for the passenger and rear driver-side, if you really wanted to.

    popcap200 ,

    Oh yeah, honestly, I don’t mind the controls on a touchscreen as you get immediate feedback on most, if not all cars, but for some reason on that GTI, the touch buttons on the dashboard and wheel didn’t work for me at all.

    z00s ,

    I just hope they stop treating car interiors like living rooms. It’s like they forgot that people are busy driving in the first place.

    nutsack ,

    cars aren’t primarily for driving they are for convincing friends and family of your success

    ALostInquirer ,

    is it the biggest success if it’s a luxury RV?

    Threeme2189 ,

    Nope, that means you tried too hard. What you really need is a van with a bed in it.

    clutchmatic ,

    Unless you live in places like cities around Los Angeles

    MonkeMischief ,

    While you’re slowly drowning in payments but no one can know and you’re just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire!

    Lol you nailed it. I know it goes against some of the ethos of Lemmy but I do wish there was some kind of particular “THIS PERSON RIGHT HERE GETS IT” award to give you haha.

    HawlSera ,

    They absolutely did!

    nutsack ,

    there should never be a fucking touch screen menu in a car for any reason

    xthexder ,
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    Maps? Android Auto / CarPlay? Gotta have the screen anyway for the mandatory backup camera.

    We can have both! Physical buttons for everything that doesn’t actually benefit from having a display, (like music or heat/ac), touch screen for the rest.

    Threeme2189 ,

    Just like my 2019 Hyundai Ioniq. Buttons for the car stuff and a touchscreen for media, calls, navigation, backup camera, etc. If the touchscreen were to shit the bed I’d still have a fully functional car minus the backup camera.

    HawlSera ,

    Cool I like buttons

    Edit: Why is this post yellow?

    LemmyKnowsBest ,

    yellow? give us a screenshot of what you see.

    Lennnny ,
    @Lennnny@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t eat it.

    fubarx ,

    The telematics on EV VWs was designed by someone who lost a bet.

    MargotRobbie ,
    @MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

    Replacing the buttons with a tablet has always been a cost saving measure on Tesla’s part that was marketed as “futuristic”, physical switches and dials made of plastic and metal as well as the underlying components will never be as cheap or as easy to wire as a simple touchscreen control. Other car companies followed suit, because Tesla made a method of reducing their own manufacturing costs hip, so many of them jumped on it.

    But, Tesla tablets were designed with the belief that this cost saving is possible because of the delusion that full autonomous self driving is possible with existing hardware through software updates. When self driving didn’t happen after a decade of trying, people realized how inconvenient and dangerous it is that the only way to adjust the AC, stereo volume, and sideview mirrors while driving is through a tablet with no tactile feedback. So now, we are finally seeing that trend reversing.

    NotMyOldRedditName ,

    I don’t think autonomous driving had anything to do with the initial choice. It might be a reason now, but I don’t think it was the initial driving factor.

    You left off it being marketed as clean and minimalistic. I think that’s different enough from futuristic. Some people love that aspect, some outright hate it. (Edit and I mean this in a looks fashion, not a functionality one)

    tias ,

    Especially when the buttons move around in the GUI after an update so you accidentally press the wrong ones, or end up having to search the menus while driving.

    Perhaps this could change when we have mainstream tactile displays, but until then buttons will always be better.

    MargotRobbie ,
    @MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

    I think using a car tablet is equally as dangerous as texting and driving. Voice control would actually be better for adjustments while driving.

    tias ,

    Indeed and it seems attainable now, if it weren’t for the expensive hardware and massive energy required for general pre-trained transformers. Don’t want my car to call home just to run a neural network on Azure, it needs to run locally.

    SnipingNinja ,

    There’s Gemini nano which will run on phones locally, so I think we can have that soon enough

    magic_lobster_party ,

    Realtime non-cloud voice control is still unreliable. Gonna be a while before that can replace physical buttons.

    lightnsfw ,

    I don’t want to have to talk to my car. Just have buttons and knobs. This shit was figured out 30 years ago.

    mriguy ,

    This shit was figured out 30 years ago

    More like 100 years ago.

    dual_sport_dork ,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    Horseshit. My Pentium 133 could do it in 1997.

    The send-to-the-cloud thing just exists because tech companies have a pathological fetish for recording, analyzing, and storing every single little thing you say and do and then trying to sell it to advertisers. Or train AI’s with it these days, or whatever the fuck else. The only marginal benefit you might get is that they can update their algorithms server side and not have to update your car or other device. But the technology has been mature for literal decades, so I don’t think that’s terribly important.

    That said, I still don’t want my car to have voice control. It’s just as stupid as a concept as making everything touchscreen.

    magic_lobster_party ,

    Speech to text is one thing. Actually understanding all the intricate details and variations of language is incredibly difficult. It’s good enough for some stuff, but I’ve yet to see a system a system that’s reliable enough for day to day use, especially in a car.

    Scenarios like this happens way too often:

    “Set alarm for fifteen minutes”

    “Ok, setting alarm fifty minutes from now”

    “No! FIFTEEN minutes”

    “I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you mean”

    “Remove old alarm and set it to fifteen minutes instead”

    “Playing song on Spotify…”

    fosforus ,

    I had huge reservations towards Tesla’s control system, but in reality, I got used to it in a week. And I’m loving how clean and sleek the dashboard is otherwise. What I don’t understand is the car makers who include a huge tablet AND a dozen gadgets around the dashboard. That’s worst of both worlds.

    computerscientistI ,

    Also, Tesla’s button replacements actually do work more or less reliably. The other manufacturers decided to save money by adding a potato instead of a potent CPU that powers the screen in the middle of the console.

    MonkeMischief ,

    “Finally a use for all these leftover 1st gen Kindle Fire CPUs!”

    psud ,

    In practice though Tesla has buttons for the controls you need while driving.

    Cruise control/lane keeping/cancel is a lever

    Indicators, flash high beams is a lever

    Park is a button

    Windscreen wiper single wipe is a button, same button is window wash

    Set speed is a scroll wheel, volume is a scroll wheel (and a touch control on the passenger side)

    Navigation is on screen keyboard, but you should stop to change navigation, or have a passenger do it

    Climate control heats or cools towards your target temperature, heated seats and steering wheel are automatic or touch screen, but you know you need them before you get in the car

    What more would you want physical controls for?

    lntl ,

    i like buttons

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