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Gerula ,

This is actually very good news for car manufacturers.

Touch crap was cheaper but sold a new tech so => price increase

Buttons are old tech so no new investments or tech development but they are more complicated => price increase

MonkeMischief ,

Thank you! I’ve been making this argument a LOT with recent discussions on kids not understanding keyboards and controllers because their lives are full of touchscreens.

Touch isn’t “the future”. It just absolutely flooded the market.

NikkiDimes ,

You think they don’t just charge more because they can, like every other industry lately?

Gerula ,

They 100% do! But the marketing departments always likes to have “solid” arguments at hand.

How else can they organise fairs and conferences where they can lament about how poor the automakers are and how pressure from are pulling prices down so automakers cannot compete… how they have to fire people and move production in poorer countries where people can be treated more like slaves… how profits are so low that they have to use the same jets with the same bitches twice!

arc ,

Carmakers did this to copy Tesla, not realising that Tesla did it to save themselves a few bucks and to hell with the person who suffer a degraded or unsafe driving experience as a result. Witness how Tesla even removed indicator stalks, making it all but impossible for people to safely and legally navigate a roundabout. Who cares if someone crashes, because it’s all about the bottom line.

Gestrid ,

not realising that Tesla did it to save themselves a few bucks

I guarantee you they realized that and likely did it for the same reason.

Mr_Blott ,

I’m reading this as “VW is putting buttons back in cars because they reckon the EU is going to slap them for making dangerous cars”

Pirasp ,

That would be funny, but it’s more likely because they are about to go under if they don’t change something up. Doing one of the most requested this seems like a good start in that direction.

barsoap ,

Where with “going under” you presumably mean “doesn’t overtake Toyota and stays the 2nd biggest car company world-wide”. That’s by number of cars, by revenue VW is in first place.

I’d say it’s more a case of “yeah we should’ve guessed that how Tesla does things is just hype”.

trackindakraken ,

I’m hoping by the time I need a new car, this insanity will have passed, allowing me to skip it. It’s like everyone skipped Windows Vista.

lando55 ,

By that time they will start selling monthly subscriptions to use the buttons or they will revert to a regular touchscreen

nothatnow ,
@nothatnow@sopuli.xyz avatar

Finally people are starting to see that touch screens or any other touch surfaces don’t belong into cars.

TheRealKuni ,

As I’ve said elsewhere, touchscreens are fine in cars for functionality that isn’t something cars already had.

I don’t need a dedicated button for the Now Playing screen on my podcast app. Or for Points of Interest in my Maps app. But I would still like to use those things in my car the way I have become accustomed to.

But I do want physical buttons for everything I’ve always had physical buttons for.

My current car (a 2022 Ford Escape PHEV) has actual buttons and dials for climate control, media controls, etc. Everything you want to be able to do without looking. But it also has a nice touchscreen to support Apple Car Play/Android Auto.

This is the proper balance, I think. Let the car continue to function as a car without the touchscreen, but the touchscreen should be available for the luxury elements a car can provide.

serpineslair ,

Finally.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Real buttons in a car are good because you don’t have to fucking look at them to know what you’re doing, unlike a god damn touch screen, so your eyes can remain on the road.

danielfgom ,
@danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

Sanity prevails at last!

lntl ,

i like buttons

cheeseblintzes ,
@cheeseblintzes@lemmy.world avatar

Thank god.

Touchscreens in a car never made any sense.

MrFunnyMoustache ,

I’m very glad, the lack of buttons are a safety hazard… Looking at these stupid TESLA cars especially… You can’t even adjust the AC without messing with the touchscreen, which means your eyes are not on the road…

Still not going to own a car, but at least it will be slightly safer by bringing back physical buttons, so hurray for small victories.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

For a while now I’ve been thinking about idea where flexible display can be combined with some sort of mechanism where a button on the display can be shown and underneath display in same place it would raise the display slightly. Just enough to be tactile and easy to find without looking. We might see these at some point as stars seem to be aligning that way.

Th0rgue ,

They’ve been working on that for a while now. It looks like those stars are not aligning anytime soon.

howtogeek.com/…/when-will-we-get-tactile-touch-sc…

tomshardware.com/…/feedback-tactile-heptic-touch-…

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Cool. I mean it’s obvious that’s going to happen at some point.

elscallr ,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

I own two cars. The newest is a 2013 because it’s before touchscreens became standard equipment. I’m gonna limp those bitches along until either I die or that trend reverses.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Actually, I am wondering if these dumb things can be replaced with aftermarket stuff. I kinda have my doubts. I miss when you could just pull the stereo out yourself and slide a new one into the bay like a disc drive on a PC.

Joelk111 , (edited )

limp those bitches along

I hope you don’t have to limp them along. My newest vehicle is from 2007, and my oldest from '84. They aren’t limping, they run and drive quite well.

elscallr ,
@elscallr@lemmy.world avatar

Well one runs like a top. The other I need to replace the suspension on but the engine is sound.

Locrin ,

You have buttons on the wheel and voice commands. But it must be nice to stay in your little ignorant bubble so I will leave you be now.

little_hermit ,

I said the same to a Tesla owner who informed me buttons on the steering wheel provide all these functionalities. But upvoters don’t own a Tesla.

MrFunnyMoustache ,

Not all functionalities. You can’t even adjust the direction/power of the AC or open the glovebox without multiple presses on the touchscreen.

little_hermit ,

There’s no physical button to open the glovebox? Better not keep anything critical in there in case of a software failure.

MrFunnyMoustache ,

Either software or hardware failure of the big infotainment system can suck really badly, and TESLA is also an anti-repair company too…

Suavevillain ,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

I might be the one of the weirdos that want buttons back on phones as well lol. 💀 I loved keyboards.

baltakatei ,

Keyboards were so nice when you wanted to accurately input characters without putting your faith in auto-correct. God help you if you need to input something not in its dictionary like someone’s name.

MonkeMischief ,

My biggest annoyance with Gboard is that my muscle memory is so tuned with it and it has GIF search built in…but it keeps wanting to correct random words to whichever is closer: celebrity name or a brand name or something. -_-

jaschen ,

I was also a Blackberry baby. But I can type faster now with Swype + autocorrect compared to buttons. I do, however, want my camera shutter button back.

Pazuzu ,

Idk about other phones, but at least on my pixel the volume down button is also a shutter button. And double pressing the lock screen button opens the camera

jaschen ,

I really miss the 1/2 click to focus. I think Sony is the only phone that has this. :(

Centaur ,

Here you go: www.unihertz.com

EDIT: Typo

MonkeMischief ,

Wait, an actually unique smartphone manufacturer and they’re not impossibly expensive and aren’t locked in to Europe?

How did this happen without me noticing? Cool!! Nice share! Now I want them to put daily drivable Linux on it and I’m insta-sold!

(So far I merely put up with the duopoly of mobile OSs. I don’t enjoy them lol)

mrmanager ,
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

Judging from reviews, people are avoiding VW now because of really shitty infotainment systems…

Two2Tango ,

For me it was this and their build quality, I got the impression they aren’t cars you keep for 10+ years

barsoap ,

Have you tried observing the service intervals.

Two2Tango ,

I drive a Honda it just keeps going

barsoap ,

Yes. Different engineering approach. Performance, efficiency, no mandatory service intervals, choose two.

barsoap ,

It’s a thing Chinese manufacturers are focussing on to distract from the rest of their engineering.

kameecoding ,

Oh look they sre following in Hyundais footsteps

thedrive.com/…/hyundai-promises-to-keep-buttons-i…

dinckelman ,

I’ve always wondered how these things happen. Clearly a massive car manufacturer should have some kind of a feedback group about what will potentially go into new vehicles, right? I can’t imagine anyone enjoying getting distracted from the road, to navigate between piano black plastic, and laggy nested touchscreen buttons

Rentlar ,

The first focus group to try out a touch screen in a car was like “ooh, novel!”, then they didn’t have a second focus group ever after. The end.

Touchscreens in Cars, a short story.

jonne ,

They just copied everything Tesla did when they decided to start making electric cars, including the really idiotic stuff. As to why Tesla did that, Musk probably fired anyone that dared question his ideas.

BradleyUffner ,

Touch screens in cars were everywhere well before Tesla.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Car manufacturers are the epitome of slow ass waterfall product development. They commit to a dashboard / infotainment solution that will last for 4-5 years. VW basically started following Tesla in 2019-2020, and realized it sucked, and they’re now going back. Changing course in 3-4 years is actually pretty “quick” for a vehicle manufacturer.

DrCake ,

And what’s funny is that a lot of the agile methodology in software development comes from Toyotas factories

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