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foggy ,

Now take away subscriptions.

I’m looking at you, everyone.

Telodzrum ,

SAAS is the greatest scam of the 21st century.

Rob ,

I say there are some fair applications of SaaS. If you use a product that requires servers to be running, paying a recurring cost for however long you need the software is fair.

That being said, mandatory SaaS on a physical product with upfront cost is decidedly shitty. Especially when it’s a 50k car.

Telodzrum ,

Server costs are different from SAAS. The fact that they are often blended is just a piss poor attempt to conceal the grift.

Dendrologist ,

Software as a Service for those ignorant like I was and had to Google what SaaS meant

flambonkscious ,

Also known as Shit as a Service

AlexWIWA ,

SaaS is great for business-to-business products. Sucks ass for everything else.

redcalcium ,

It’s impossible, just like it’s impossible to tell game companies to stop doing microtransaction.

GiddyGap ,

Companies love subscriptions, customers hate subscriptions. Subscriptions it is.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

I’d love to get a fitness band, but fuck all the subscriptions to access all their features.

nafri ,
@nafri@lemmy.world avatar

Progression is regression in this issue, thanks people!

Suavevillain ,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

I might be the one of the weirdos that want buttons back on phones as well lol. 💀 I loved keyboards.

baltakatei ,

Keyboards were so nice when you wanted to accurately input characters without putting your faith in auto-correct. God help you if you need to input something not in its dictionary like someone’s name.

MonkeMischief ,

My biggest annoyance with Gboard is that my muscle memory is so tuned with it and it has GIF search built in…but it keeps wanting to correct random words to whichever is closer: celebrity name or a brand name or something. -_-

jaschen ,

I was also a Blackberry baby. But I can type faster now with Swype + autocorrect compared to buttons. I do, however, want my camera shutter button back.

Pazuzu ,

Idk about other phones, but at least on my pixel the volume down button is also a shutter button. And double pressing the lock screen button opens the camera

jaschen ,

I really miss the 1/2 click to focus. I think Sony is the only phone that has this. :(

Centaur ,

Here you go: www.unihertz.com

EDIT: Typo

MonkeMischief ,

Wait, an actually unique smartphone manufacturer and they’re not impossibly expensive and aren’t locked in to Europe?

How did this happen without me noticing? Cool!! Nice share! Now I want them to put daily drivable Linux on it and I’m insta-sold!

(So far I merely put up with the duopoly of mobile OSs. I don’t enjoy them lol)

popcap200 ,

I test drove one, and the touch buttons were ass, but nobody mentions the lag. There’s ZERO feedback, do you press the button again and watch the screen show you turn the thing on and then back off.

I would NEVER buy a car with touch controls based on this experience. It was horrible.

Buddahriffic ,

I wonder if that’s a lingering effect from the auto chip shortage from 2020 (limited choice lead to using processors less powerful than they’d like), or just the general shitty quality common when companies try to add features outside of what they are familiar with? Maybe combined with hiring shitty developers that want to run a full browser stack when they need to be doing embedded real-time programming instead?

f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4 ,

I swore I would never buy a car with a touchscreen, but I ended up with a Toyota with no noticable touch lag and physical controls for everything important. The steering wheel buttons also replicate all phone- and radio-related functions that are on the touchscreen.

The wife’s Honda (a few years older) has too many physical controls. For example, I’m fairly certain you could turn on heat for the driver and rear passenger-side, and air conditioning for the passenger and rear driver-side, if you really wanted to.

popcap200 ,

Oh yeah, honestly, I don’t mind the controls on a touchscreen as you get immediate feedback on most, if not all cars, but for some reason on that GTI, the touch buttons on the dashboard and wheel didn’t work for me at all.

TheEighthDoctor , (edited )

Unpopular opinion: Unresponsive buttons are just as bad as unresponsive touchscreens. And touchscreens are not bad if you don’t have 5 keys presses to get what you want, if you can customise your layout and if the system is not underpowered as they always seem to be.

bort ,

haptics of a button means that you can keep your focus on the street while pressing a button.

ExLisper ,

Don’t know what buttons or touch screens you have in your care but in my car it’s way easier to hit the button than the exact location on the touch screen. You can ‘feel’ your way to a button on a dashboard, you can’t do it on a touch screen.

Dickarus ,
@Dickarus@lemmy.world avatar

I like how you can get a ticket for using your phone while driving, so automakers decided to replace your tactile radio, where you don’t need to look at it to operate, with what is basically a giant touchscreen phone in your car where you need to look at it to see what you’re doing instead of feeling what you’re doing.

Woht24 ,

And it’s legal!

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yep it should just be illegal plain and simple. Maybe some screens that are mainly intended for passive display that you can still use with touch, but all main functions one would need to use while operating the vehicle should be buttons and dials.

TeckFire ,

Many states have laws prohibiting the use of anything that isn’t hands free, including integrated media controls. Won’t stop anyone, but just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean people won’t do it. Same as speeding, or eating/drinking while driving in many states.

dinckelman ,

I’ve always wondered how these things happen. Clearly a massive car manufacturer should have some kind of a feedback group about what will potentially go into new vehicles, right? I can’t imagine anyone enjoying getting distracted from the road, to navigate between piano black plastic, and laggy nested touchscreen buttons

Rentlar ,

The first focus group to try out a touch screen in a car was like “ooh, novel!”, then they didn’t have a second focus group ever after. The end.

Touchscreens in Cars, a short story.

jonne ,

They just copied everything Tesla did when they decided to start making electric cars, including the really idiotic stuff. As to why Tesla did that, Musk probably fired anyone that dared question his ideas.

BradleyUffner ,

Touch screens in cars were everywhere well before Tesla.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Car manufacturers are the epitome of slow ass waterfall product development. They commit to a dashboard / infotainment solution that will last for 4-5 years. VW basically started following Tesla in 2019-2020, and realized it sucked, and they’re now going back. Changing course in 3-4 years is actually pretty “quick” for a vehicle manufacturer.

DrCake ,

And what’s funny is that a lot of the agile methodology in software development comes from Toyotas factories

yuki2501 ,
@yuki2501@lemmy.world avatar

Seems the novelty VW engineers had to be reminded of the first item in the Unix philosophy:

Make each program do one thing, and do it well.

Buttons already had this. Each single button did one and only one thing: Turn a feature on or off, or in the case of the radio, switch stations.

We didn’t need complicated menus to navigate. Press the appropriate button, and voilá. It was simple. It worked.

Who the fuck came up with the idea of having to use touch menus? I have no idea, but I really hope they got fired.

novemberalpha ,

I get what you’re saying, up to a point. But you really don’t want the dashboard to look like the average TV remote either.

DontTreadOnBigfoot ,
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    dual_sport_dork ,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    I would be down with that, 100%.

    My car doesn’t have nearly that many functions, though. Nor do I want it to. Owners of modern cars would shit a brick if they saw the dash on my '99 Silverado and how simple it is. It has a grand total of about 12 buttons on it, and three dials. That’s it.

    Somehow it manages to drive down the road just fine, heat or cool the interior, twiddle all the lights, change all the radio stations, play or rewind the tape. (Yes, tape.) Just with those few controls, all of which only do one thing. Except the turn signal stalk, and technically I guess the shifter lever because it has the tow/haul button on the end of it.

    The amount of bullshit that’s built into modern cars is astounding. The majority of that crap doesn’t need to be in a car. Which is, you know, a transportation machine. If the passenger wants four touch screens, that’s fine. I don’t need one. I don’t want one.

    marx2k ,

    I really just need the “fix” button

    Edit: “legs” could also work of adequately sexy

    Raxiel ,

    Not that airliners don’t have a lot of things to press (and two people to press them), but the majority of the controls in that image are the navigation, radio, and autopilot controls.

    orrk ,

    would take TV remote over touch display any day, those things are horrible in so many ways, lack of tactile feedback and having to confirm it registered the input is literally a lethal hazard because it’s another reason people aren’t looking on the road while driving

    Threeme2189 ,

    Have you ever seen an airplane cockpit? Those things are crowded and confusing. A car, on the other hand, is simple enough that the average person gets used to all of the button, knobs, switches and dials in a few days.

    Tetractys ,

    Why? It’s not an art peice hanging above your desk. You’re putting from over function.

    Buddahriffic ,

    I mean, I get a bit jealous when I see the cockpit of an F1 car. So many knobs, buttons, and switches and they don’t even have climate control or entertainment systems.

    That level isn’t necessary with daily drivers, but I’d rather have physical buttons for any action I’ll want to do while moving and zero latency for any action that physically positions something like my seat or mirrors.

    nutsack ,

    the more important thing here is that you can find and press a button without looking at it

    A_Porcupine ,

    Thank god. This is literally the worst thing about my car (apart from the lane assist trying to kill me).

    snaggen , (edited )
    @snaggen@programming.dev avatar

    I found that a homicidal lane assist, have a really good effect on my alertness. Before lane assist I could relax and almost doze of, but with lane assist I don’t dare to relax for a second since I know it will try to murder me the first chance it gets. So, I guess that is why people say lane assist prevents accidents.

    skeezix ,

    So they’re targeting gay people now?

    nsfwthrowaway411 ,

    I have a feeling the people down voting you didn’t see the typo

    skeezix ,

    He fixed the typo. It’s no longer homocidal.

    snaggen ,
    @snaggen@programming.dev avatar

    Corrected my typo, so contextually challenged persons can avoid being confused. You are welcome.

    skeezix ,

    Your spelling is homogeneous now.

    Polyester6435 ,

    Lane assist on the golf tried to murderise me recently even though I was driving on a road without lane markings

    Polyester6435 ,

    Lane assist on the golf tried to murderise me recently even though I was driving on a road without lane markings but I keep it on because it stops me from killing myself on this one bridge I have to drive over

    Theharpyeagle ,

    Wait, you don’t mean dozing off while driving, right?

    havocpants ,

    My car lets you turn off lane assist, it’s the collision avoidance that I can’t turn off that is trying to kill me. Randomly I’ll be driving along when an alarm sounds and it tries to swerve off the road. It’s fucking infuriating and dangerous and despite many of us complaining to the manufacturer you can’t turn it off.

    Everythingispenguins ,

    Is it on an independent fuse? If so just pull the fuse

    MonkeMischief ,

    Man do they still do that with these “smart features” or is it all just linked to an inexplicable welded shut black box now? Lol

    Everythingispenguins ,

    Honestly I have no idea. Often they run different features through different control modules, but every car is different.

    NoSpiritAnimal ,
    @NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world avatar

    Subaru?

    jumpinjesus ,

    The capacitive touch buttons under the screen on my ID4 don’t light up, so they’re literally invisible at night and completely useless.

    slightperil ,

    Do you have more unlit buttons than the volume and climate strip that I have in the Multivan? I believe we share that same strip and it’s ironic that the power button on there is actually lit! However as it only does two things and there’s feedback on the screen when you touch it, I haven’t had any of the issues people have complained about. Plus those functions can be accessed elsewhere.

    jumpinjesus ,

    For the driver, you can access it elsewhere. But to deal with the climate, you then have to go into the touchscreen menu and mess around rather than just turning a dial. The volume is less of an issue as the driver, the volume is on the steering wheel. But the passenger can’t turn down the volume, etc. I love the id4, planning on driving it into the ground, but buttons for functions like that would be better.

    locuester ,

    You sure you don’t have the fader wheel turned all the way down? It’s usually to the left of the steering wheel.

    A_Porcupine ,

    There isn’t a fader wheel on the ID.3 at least, so I’d assume the same in the ID.4

    z00s ,

    I just hope they stop treating car interiors like living rooms. It’s like they forgot that people are busy driving in the first place.

    nutsack ,

    cars aren’t primarily for driving they are for convincing friends and family of your success

    ALostInquirer ,

    is it the biggest success if it’s a luxury RV?

    Threeme2189 ,

    Nope, that means you tried too hard. What you really need is a van with a bed in it.

    clutchmatic ,

    Unless you live in places like cities around Los Angeles

    MonkeMischief ,

    While you’re slowly drowning in payments but no one can know and you’re just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire!

    Lol you nailed it. I know it goes against some of the ethos of Lemmy but I do wish there was some kind of particular “THIS PERSON RIGHT HERE GETS IT” award to give you haha.

    HawlSera ,

    They absolutely did!

    trackindakraken ,

    I’m hoping by the time I need a new car, this insanity will have passed, allowing me to skip it. It’s like everyone skipped Windows Vista.

    lando55 ,

    By that time they will start selling monthly subscriptions to use the buttons or they will revert to a regular touchscreen

    hiramfromthechi ,
    @hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world avatar

    A great reminder that your voice does matter. Apply it other things as well, and things can actually improve…

    noname_yet2077 ,
    @noname_yet2077@lemmy.world avatar

    Good news

    arc ,

    Carmakers did this to copy Tesla, not realising that Tesla did it to save themselves a few bucks and to hell with the person who suffer a degraded or unsafe driving experience as a result. Witness how Tesla even removed indicator stalks, making it all but impossible for people to safely and legally navigate a roundabout. Who cares if someone crashes, because it’s all about the bottom line.

    Gestrid ,

    not realising that Tesla did it to save themselves a few bucks

    I guarantee you they realized that and likely did it for the same reason.

    nothatnow ,
    @nothatnow@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Finally people are starting to see that touch screens or any other touch surfaces don’t belong into cars.

    TheRealKuni ,

    As I’ve said elsewhere, touchscreens are fine in cars for functionality that isn’t something cars already had.

    I don’t need a dedicated button for the Now Playing screen on my podcast app. Or for Points of Interest in my Maps app. But I would still like to use those things in my car the way I have become accustomed to.

    But I do want physical buttons for everything I’ve always had physical buttons for.

    My current car (a 2022 Ford Escape PHEV) has actual buttons and dials for climate control, media controls, etc. Everything you want to be able to do without looking. But it also has a nice touchscreen to support Apple Car Play/Android Auto.

    This is the proper balance, I think. Let the car continue to function as a car without the touchscreen, but the touchscreen should be available for the luxury elements a car can provide.

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