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bjoern_tantau ,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

I want to live in ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️.

pro_grammer OP ,

love country

Vryoptic ,

luv me wife, simple as

lqdrchrd ,

Looks like they censored the country Niger in their own post.

Albbi ,

Steam censored it for them. Nobody would go and use hearts if they were to self censor. They’d use ****ing asterisks.

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

You’re G****mn right.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

You’re G** damn right.

FTFY

Lemjukes ,

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    Skipcast ,

    Because that’s just how their censor works. It’s a well known fact for anyone used to steam.

    Jerkface ,

    Fucking h*ck.

    Klear ,

    Did you just say the fuck word?

    BigBananaDealer ,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    at least he censored the H word

    Lucidlethargy ,

    I’m telling Mom you both said fuck.

    Pietson ,

    The hearts are how steam censors things it believes to be swears

    uriel238 ,
    @uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Niger is a known intentional misspelling of the n-word used to circumvent censorship. So this is an evolution of the Scunthorp problem.

    uriel238 ,
    @uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    You might not. It’s very hot desert weather all year around.

    Baku ,

    I live in Australia. I take this as a challenge.

    IvanOverdrive ,

    There was also an anti-French Wagner/Russian backed military coup d’etat. The US had to closed down a drone base that kept eyes on terrorism suspects there. Even if it was perfect weather, probably not a great place to be right now.

    TSG_Asmodeus ,
    @TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

    image

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    That was immediately how I read it

    RootBeerGuy ,
    @RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Oh man, even all the small European ones are fucked. Andorra, Liechtenstein, San Marino, Monaco. Hilarious!

    snekerpimp ,

    Why is Andorra always left out?

    JJROKCZ ,

    Why does Andorra even exist? The Spaniards or Français should fight another dozen wars over those mountains

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    It exists so that people can buy cheap booze. Or at least that’s wha it used to be for.

    SuddenDownpour ,

    It exists for tax evasion purposes.

    Miaou ,

    It’s used for ecosystem and biodiversity preservation. Europe forced the poor rich people to hide in places such as Andorra, Monaco, Lichtenstein, and other repressed micro states. But at least there they are free to practice their own tax optimisation strategy, without intervention from evil communist states.

    SturgiesYrFase ,
    @SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

    Luxembourg is very wealthy.

    BakerBagel ,

    Also an EU member, so all EU regulations apply within tjeir borders.

    RootBeerGuy ,
    @RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Estonia is also EU member but listed in the screenshot.

    BakerBagel ,

    So are Latvia and Lithuania, so i guess fuck the Baltics

    goferking0 ,

    So is Monaco but it got screwed

    Jomn ,
    @Jomn@jlai.lu avatar

    I’m more surprised with the three baltic states

    cucumber_sandwich ,

    This

    magikmw ,

    Sony still salty about USSR dissolution

    erwan ,

    Luxembourg is small but it’s not a microstate like the other you listed. It’s not limited to a single city.

    RootBeerGuy ,
    @RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    That is true.

    JokeDeity ,

    Poor Niger can’t be mentioned on Steam apparently.

    NigelFrobisher ,

    We’re always making plans for Niger.

    Nobody ,

    Countries whose exchange rate likely made the game even more expensive, and you’ve taken it from them just to dox PC gamers on the PlayStation network.

    This isn’t even enshittification. It’s outright fraud.

    huginn ,

    The silver lining: steam’s refund policy is good enough that most of them will get their money back. Hopefully that’s painful to Sony.

    Empricorn , (edited )

    It launched 4 months ago. How are you assuming people who bought it and could play it are still in the 2-hour refund window?

    Edit: I hear you. I hope Steam allows a special exemption refund for this issue…

    natebluehooves ,

    Steam support usually makes exceptions for situations like this.

    LordOfLocksley ,

    OK, maybe I’m missing something in all this, as I have both Steam and PSN accounts already, but wasn’t it always on the Steam page, in a gold box, that a 3rd party (PSN) account was needed to play the game?

    ColeSloth ,

    Yes. I also haven’t seen any confirmation that any of those countries listed had the game available to purchase without spoofing their location.

    The bandwagoners are all getting upset over the implementation of the requirement that was always there, and now that they’ve been given like a month’s notice that they have to actually make a PSN account that was always a listed requirement, they’re all in a tizzy.

    just2look ,

    The requirement was a small bullet on the Steam page. And Sony’s own website says a PSN account is not required. So Sony has said both things, and for three months it was not required. There is also no actual functional need for the account. Additionally the game studio has said that the countries where the game was sold, but PSN was not available is an issue they are looking into. I don’t understand why anyone is defending this move from Sony. The users gain no benefit, and there is an obvious negative impact. So maybe stop sucking off corporations?

    pleb_maximus ,

    Gamers not sucking of corpos? Unpossible!

    ColeSloth ,

    A small bullet? Really? It’s gold/bronze highlighted in the same spot they’re always placed in, in some of the largest font on the page.

    just2look ,

    A gold bullet amongst other gold bullets, in a section that not everyone is going to look at. For a game that is sold globally when PSN is not available globally. This is anti-consumer behavior strictly meant to increase corporate power in the interest of corporate greed. Why defend Sony and their shitty behavior? This doesn’t help gamers. There is no benefit.

    krashmo , (edited )

    People don’t read the TOS, you know that. I didn’t read them either. If you want to say that’s my fault then that’s fine but I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect people to pay attention to something like that in this context. It’s a video game. Any restrictions or conditions like this are arbitrary and unnecessary.

    I don’t have a Playstation, have no interest in one, and will not be creating a PSN account. I probably won’t refund the game but I’m not going to keep playing it if they keep this requirement, which is a shame because I’ve really enjoyed my time with it. If this is the hill they want to die on then my interest will die on that hill with them.

    ColeSloth ,

    It’s not buried in a TOS. It’s in a big gold/bronze highlighted area right on the purchase page.

    krashmo ,

    Same concept. Anything beyond “buy this game and play it” is out of the ordinary and in my opinion unreasonable.

    Rinn ,

    The 2 hour refund window is for automated refunds, you can still make a request if you’re past that - it’s just going to need a human to take a look at it. I’ve once succesfully returned a game I’ve played for about 5 hours because it had game-breaking bugs and ran like crap for no reason, and it got accepted within a day without an issue.

    So Helldivers owners have a chance. I’m assuming that Steam’s Customer Support department is having some kind of an internal discussion right now on how to handle this case.

    Red_October ,

    You’re assuming Steam will just completely ignore a situation where players are flat out incapable of playing the game they paid for.

    Woozythebear ,

    Boy are you in for a surprise if you think Steam is about to offer 30k refunds if they aren’t legally obligated.

    ColeSloth ,

    I haven’t seen anyone actually confirm the game was for sale in any of those countries. I know people from some of those countries have been playing, but did they buy the game by spoofing their country, or was the game ever actually available in any of them?

    yamanii , (edited )
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    thegamer.com/helldivers-2-delisted-on-steam-100-p…

    They can only remove what was previously available.

    ColeSloth ,

    Thanks. I really don’t know why the hell all these Steve’s in here are downvoting me for wanting to know the answer to a question about all of this, but that’s gonna be pretty screwed up if everyone from any of those countries isn’t refunded.

    You’re the only source that’s found an actual answer about it. +1

    umbraroze ,

    I’m in Finland and peering toward Estonia and wondering what the heck did they do to annoy Sony so much that you can’t make a PSN account there.

    My instant guess would be that Estonians are in possession of a Sony tape deck from the 1980s that still works (being a Sony product from the 1980s), and Sony is like “No! We refuse to do business there until they join the modern time planned obsolescence club.”

    Taleya ,

    Liechtenstein as well lol

    hglman ,

    Probably Sony won’t comply with some sort of regulation.

    KISSmyOSFeddit ,

    Only playable in countries with DEMOCRACY!!! HELL YEAH!!!

    Hotzilla ,

    Like undemocratic Republic of Estonia.

    Edit: oh Latvia and Lithuanian is also on the list, has Sony taken the country list before collapse of USSR.

    roguetrick ,

    The baltic states are a no fun zone.

    Sorse ,
    @Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Ah yes, the very democratic Russian Federation

    edgemaster72 ,
    @edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

    “We held elections. You don’t like? Window is over there.”

    mlg ,
    @mlg@lemmy.world avatar

    Wasn’t Valve the one who pointed out that Russia was always pirating games not because they were inherently pirates but because the game releases had zero support for Russia lol. Hence why Valve was the first foreign developer/publisher that gained an actual foothold in the Russian market.

    This is kind of like the same thing. Sony will just say something dumb like “we don’t allow PSN accounts in these countries because they’re full of pirates”.

    RIP_Cheems ,
    @RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

    They’re about to be full of pirates.

    GTG3000 ,

    That rings true for me. Only stopped pirating once steam was an option, myself.

    Zuberi ,
    @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    100% true. India is (or was?) also big for games just not being sold there.

    Game companies shooting themselves in the foot? Never heard of it.

    snowadv ,

    The second problem is absence of regional prices in other markets but Steam.

    They are selling games two (!!) or so times cheaper in RU region. For example, AAA game might cost 60 dollars or 6000 rub in US but it will costs 35 or 3500 rub in russian steam.

    Even though I couldn’t afford games in the past and pirated them - at some point I started buying stuff just because it gives much better, hustle -free experience.

    KairuByte ,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    If I’m low on cash, I pirate. When I have cash, I buy up the games I want. If it’s a game I enjoyed years ago and it’s on sale, I grab it.

    The idea that piracy results in lost sales is flawed. No one I know who pirates can purchase the game to begin with.

    Is a library piracy? No? Cool, discussion over.

    localhost443 , (edited )

    I often took the same approach back when buying a game was a financial consideration. But even though now 4/5 times I already know hat I’m buying and just pay, there are still the 1/5 times I’ll pirate first as I’m really on the fence. Due to this I have a few games I ended up completing on pirate, but bought the game (and DLC if relevant) with 0 hours in my library because good work deserves recognition.

    Otherwise we risk losing those good developers to other careers or into the AAA meat grinder.

    For clarity I’m talking Indy titties here, I doubt I average much above 0.5/year AAA purchases anymore

    Edit: actually I’ll go one step further. If I pirate your game and hate it, then its delete and forget. If I buy your game and hate it that’s a potential negative review, maybe even though me and that title we just a bad fit. This is why demos need to become ubiquitous again

    chiliedogg ,

    I mean… Saying that it doesn’t result in lost sales at all is disingenuous.

    They aren’t losing 70 dollars for every download, but they also aren’t losing zero.

    dditty , (edited )

    Now if only I could see this on a map

    Edit: I made a map
    https://i.imgur.com/WegqRae.png

    RxBrad , (edited )
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    daniyeg ,

    as someone who is in a country where services are regularly blocked and you need to use a VPN,

    fuck off.

    RxBrad , (edited )
    @RxBrad@lemmy.today avatar

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    poo ,
    @poo@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re a clown and embarrassing yourself.

    daniyeg ,

    since you didn’t fuck off let me explain.

    i don’t play nor care about helldivers 2 but i can certainly emphasize with people that have had their favorite game linking to a service that is blocked/not supported. you either use a free VPN which good luck with shitty connectivity, high packet loss and ping, or use a paid VPN which basically converts all your games into a subscription that is most certainly not affordable for many 3rd world users, and at the end you are still probably dealing with the issues mentioned before since you are adding extra hops in your route. and that’s if you can get your hands on a working VPN which since most companies have their IP addresses known you get forced into shady VPNs automatically.

    plus you are massively risking your data since you can’t trust the person at the other end, especially with free VPNs that could be loaded with viruses and spyware. in addition in most cases using a VPN can and will trigger false bot flags, causing either a temporary block or worse a ban, not to mention lying about your region when creating an account is in most cases is against TOS (although it’s unlikely you get banned for it).

    for example i wanted to play titanfall 2 when it came out but couldn’t due to it being linked to EA account system which is definitely blocked here. never bothered with the official Ultima Online because EA. wanna play the free copy of GTA V? can’t download shit off Epic Games. wanna play any games made by Riot? you better get that DNS service ready cause otherwise you can’t get in. wanna update warframe? too bad the CDN service they use blocks your region (this was a long time ago i remember being pissed off about it).

    so stop being an asshole online. we deserve to play games like other people without resorting to hacks in order to have a worse experience that was forced upon us. even ignoring all of my rant this decision is still against privacy of most users by handing their data over to yet another big company. i cannot imagine what would compel someone to make an ass out of themselves to call people that are against this cry babies.

    gaael ,

    Really great answer. Kudos for taking the time and energy to write it !

    RxBrad ,
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    force , (edited )

    Paid VPNs are dirt cheap worldwide… If you can already afford a PC capable of playing HD2, you can afford a few bucks a year for a reputable VPN.

    You have actual clueless first-worlder logic

    If 60 to 160 USD per year is “dirt cheap” to you, you have absolutely no place to speak. Hundreds of dollars over the course of 5 years just to circumvent stupid geolocation restrictions and nothing else – about the same cost to twice the cost of a low-to-mid range gaming PC BTW – is not affordable to most people. How do you compare basically throwing away hundreds of USD yearly opposed to a one-time purchase of an important utility in the modern age? How do you view that as cheap for people in countries where that could be a large chunk or most of their salary? Are people not allowed to buy expensive things for themselves rarely and actually enjoy them without having an unnecessary subscription expense tacked on just because they were born in a poorer county?

    How would you feel if I told you there were a “fuck you” fee of 10% of the cost of your house every year just because you’re American or Canadian or British or some shit, on top of your income & property taxes? I mean you’re a homeowner so you can obviously afford it.

    rdri ,

    Did you know that using VPN is against Steam’s terms of service?

    RxBrad ,
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    daniyeg ,

    well nice job ignoring literally everything else i said but alright. my rule of thumb for comparing my purchasing power vs an american is to multiply the product’s value by 15. so you tell me that you wouldn’t feel annoyed if you had to pay 375$/year (ignoring the increased data cap costs that comes with using a VPN of course) for a service that might get blocked at any moment? never mind the scammers that are absolutely littered everywhere.

    and the regions that are not supported by PSN probably don’t have regional pricing in steam as well, so we also have to pay that fuck you fee if we want to buy our games legit, unless of course you are willing to risk a ban (which actually isn’t that unlikely) in order to region hop, or get a CD key that was most likely bought with stolen gift card money of scam victims. and steam recently has been cracking down on both region hopping and the price disparity seen between different regions.

    yes it’s not the most earth shattering issue on the planet, but at least we get to complain about it online right?

    unreasonabro ,

    lmao shut up child, what’s wrong with you

    Umbrias ,

    Truly a master of empathy. I’m astounded by your compassion for people who have different problems than you and who fall into minority groups.

    RxBrad ,
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    Umbrias ,

    Why do people expressing frustration deserve your explicit lack of empathy? Why do you care so much? Why is “aha! Gotcha! You’re from Iran, so you’re neglected luxuries in other situations but not this one so your opinion doesn’t matter” sound like a reasonable response to you?

    You sound like a bitter spiteful individual who’s more interested in finding a reason to be contrarian and angry with people than compassionate. Coincidentally with frustrations over corporations.

    Go take a break from the internet if “why does a human deserve my empathy?” Seems like something that is ever reasonable to say or think. Empathy doesn’t mean you have to agree with someone, to preempt that lame excuse.

    RxBrad ,
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    Umbrias , (edited )

    You are certainly showing me that someone enjoys outrage yes.

    (You’re also the only one I’ve seen referencing anything about console vs PC stuff.)

    explodicle ,

    “Yup I see a significant overlap, but I’d rather discount them than admit I’m wrong.”

    DrSteveBrule ,

    How can you see them on that map if they are using VPNs?

    edgemaster72 ,
    @edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

    Sri Lanka and Suriname are pictured though?

    dditty ,

    Good catch! Just a typo on my part. I used mapchart.com to make the map, and it was unfortunately an entirely manual process and the map builder I used didn’t include most microstates; the rest of the ones I listed weren’t on the map. Sri Lanka and Suriname are pictured though. :)

    spirinolas ,

    Isn’t this illegal according to EU law? It’s a common market but the Baltic states are excluded.

    FluffyPotato ,

    Yes it is

    AlexisFR ,
    @AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

    Overseas territories like French Guyana too. It’s fully part of France so you can’t exclude it like that.

    spirinolas ,

    It’s not even an overseas territory, it’s a full-fledged department of France. They couldn’t exclude it even if they wanted. And it’s not excluded in the map, if you look closely, even while Guyana and Surinam are.

    unreasonabro ,

    lmao Niger is blocked out

    internet censorship is fucking retarded

    7heo ,

    Yeah, ♡♡♡♡♡ian princes will be mad disappointed.

    BTW, cool meta-use of removed internet censorship to illustrate your point.

    spraynpray ,

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    7heo ,

    Oh, I thought they wrote the *removed* text verbatim… My bad.

    KairuByte ,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I’d have thought the same, I wasn’t aware instances had word level removal in place.

    shotgun_crab ,

    I’m surprised Nigeria survived the censor

    Passerby6497 ,

    “Niger” is a swear according to valve?

    fluckx ,

    Because it closely resembles a slur. Its one of those false positives. But the tool that replaces it likely isn’t context aware.

    whoisearth ,
    @whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

    Nigeria please that is a stupid rule

    swayevenly ,

    I’m ghana have to ask you to calm down.

    whoisearth ,
    @whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

    Grenada go and do that now aren’t you? Typical!

    systemguy_64 ,

    What Chad made this decision?

    fluckx ,

    Yeah calm Djibouti down

    BackOnMyBS ,
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

    Kenya stop telling me what to do?

    whoisearth ,
    @whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

    I’ve Benin fights before but this is stupid.

    reverendsteveii ,

    Oman I know where this is going

    LainTrain ,

    South Africa

    TrickDacy ,

    They probably pipe all their output text through a filter that was originally intended for user generated content. Might not really make sense but something tells me at some point there was a typo from a valve employee that prompted this decision

    Passerby6497 ,

    The dumbest version of the Scunthorpe problem

    jaybone ,

    I’m not a big gamer so I’m not entirely getting this. It sounds like the issue is they want you to link your steam and PSN accounts, which people don’t want to do. And in some countries it’s even a TOS violation.

    My question is, why would they have such a requirement to link the two accounts in the first place?

    Zoot , (edited )
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    One RUMOR I’ve heard is so it looks like more people are registering with PSN, to make up for loss of PS sales? Doesn’t make the most sense, but I’m sure its a mixture of that and your data $$$

    Edit: I’m sure they are using the increase of accounts to make theirs elves look more favorable. All around, it’s shitty, and helldivers will suffer for it. Steam has already allowed refunds from countries that can no longer play.

    kerrigan778 ,

    That would be pretty obvious fraud, I doubt that.

    Zoot ,
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    Which part? I’m sure it would be fraud to pad their numbers that way. Unless they used a seperate metric which looked favorable to shareholders since number of accounts goes up.

    The data part I don’t think you meant to cast doubt on, thats a given.

    kerrigan778 ,

    I meant padding their numbers like that yes.

    Heavybell , (edited )
    @Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

    The legitimate reason is for crossplay. Sony said in the announcement it was for player “protection”, so they could ban people. Plus there is no doubt some data tracking going on.

    Zoot ,
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    But cross-platform worked just fine before this requirement? Or atleast well enough, I’ve been playing with a PS4 friend for the last month.

    Heavybell ,
    @Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

    Did it? I stand corrected, then.

    Draedron ,

    The publishet is Sony. This way Sony can harvest your data and has total control over bans. If they didnt force the links bans for pc players would go through steam and could be challenged over steam in the case of an unfair ban.

    AlexisFR ,
    @AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

    The only data they can get is what you already share in game. And a little portion of what is on Steam.

    MeetInPotatoes ,

    You obviously have to give them whatever data is required for a PSN account. You could give them fake personal data of course, but good luck remembering your fake info if you ever need to reset your password.

    KairuByte ,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    That isn’t how bans work at all. The only bans which go through steam are VAC bans, and those are not a requirement.

    MeetInPotatoes ,

    You’re mistaken. If they make you log into PSN to play the game, then being banned via PSN would also lock you out of the game.

    KairuByte ,
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    That isn’t what they are saying. They claim Sony needs PSN for the game in order to enforce a ban, otherwise it has to go through Steam.

    AlexisFR ,
    @AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

    It’s a Sony online game and it shouldn’t have worked without an account in first place on PC. But they allowed it regardless due to server issues.

    monsterpiece42 ,

    It explicitly said you do not need a PSN account to play, in a number of places. Both on the game page, on the Sony FAQ page, and the Steam page too I believe.

    It was bait and switch, which is why so many people are upset.

    IvanOverdrive ,

    For me, it was the 2011 Playstation Hack.

    Credit card data was encrypted, but Sony admitted that other user information was not encrypted at the time of the intrusion.

    After that, I swore I would never give a corporation that lax with personal information my own.

    Got_Bent ,

    I don’t know what a PSN account is, but I’m surprised you can get one in North Korea.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    Sony Account (PlayStation Network account)

    TheWolfOfSouthEnd ,

    I’ve always wondered how much we are lied to about North Korea.

    CaptnNMorgan ,

    I would imagine, very little

    irmoz ,

    Why can’t these countries get accounts? And what was the controversy?

    TheMightyCanuck ,
    @TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Game is locked to PSN account system now so if you live somewhere with no PSN support, tough shit

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