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why isn't anyone calling for Trump to drop out.

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

psycho_driver ,

The American people called for him to dropout in 2020. He didn’t listen.

statist43 ,

I didnt hear this. Maybe because I was too far away in europe, but it didnt seem, that the US had enough of this pussygrabber

FattestMattest ,

More than half of us have had enough. I’m not sure what’s wrong about the others…

Yearly1845 ,

He lost the election. Twice, actually. He’s never won the popular vote. He was only the president because of a broken system.

statist43 ,

It just doesn’t really sound like "people called him to drop out, if almoat 50% of a country vote directly for him

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

Correction: 33% of the eligible voters.

66% of eligible voters voted in the 2020 election. Almost half of those voted for Trump. That’s 33% of eligible American voters.

Also, not all Americans are eligible to vote: felons in certain States, non-registered adults, children, etc.

I may just be being pedantic but it annoys me when I see people claim that half of America supports Trump/fascism when it’s just not true. The number is probably closer to 28% of Americans.

statist43 ,

Yeah thats right, I didnt know the hard numbers thats on me.

But you need to really overthink you government system over there, because the guy 30% of you want destroys alot more than the trust in the US system.

PythagreousTitties ,

Cool story.

OutsizedWalrus ,

The only people I see calling for Biden to drop out are the media news companies.

It’s basically a fake controversy. They benefit massively from stirring the pot so people tune in to “see what’s going to happen”.

Reality is if Biden were going to drop out, he’d already have done it.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Depends on what social circles and social media circles you roll in. I know of a LOT of people who wish he wasn’t the nominee.

alekwithak ,

It takes years to plan a presidential run and the incumbent has a huge advantage. It’s infeasible to change the candidate now and would 100% split an already very polarized party. It’s a fake media controversy and the media companies are the ones causing people to feel that way by editing footage to make Biden look bad, attacking Biden’s stutter or slip up instead of Trump’s lies and gaslighting. The media is controlled by the rich and complicit in treason, but the rich never get their dues and the right is never held accountable.

whoreticulture ,

They should run a very popular vice president, and announce him immediately. Biden is obviously not going to step down, but someone competent needs to be on the campaign.

Rakonat ,

This, Biden isn’t going to drop out and most of the people calling for him to resign benefit either directly from him no longer being on the ballot, or indirectly benefit in the chaos and doubt of opportunist in the democratic party jumping on what they perceive as an opportunity to enhance their standing and power within the party and political establishment as a whole.

If one singular data point (a bad debate performance) is enough to make you or anyone else think a person should immediately step aside, you’re exactly the kind of person these attacks and campaigns are directed at: someone easy to sway and scatter. I don’t particularly like Biden or most of what he’s done in the last 2 years specifically, but I also know that splitting off from him or encouraging a third candidate that will split the vote is just going to hand GOP the reigns for the next 4 years and given how they’ve spent the last 8 stomping on rights and democracy, it’ll probably be another 20 years before they lose power short of another revolution or civil war. So weighing those two scenarios, yeah I’m just going to vote Biden, sleepy or dark brandon, doesn’t matter since he can always resign after the election and let Kamala take up POTUS.

zarkanian , (edited )
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

How would replacing Biden split the vote?

HawlSera ,

Never thought about it like that

nednobbins ,

The people calling for Biden to drop out are completely different from the people who want Trump to stay in the race.

Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don’t believe he can beat Trump.

Republicans want Trump to stay on the ticket because they’re pretty sure he’ll crush Biden .

hydrospanner ,

Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don’t believe he can beat Trump.

To this point: for those who think that, do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

While I’m not thrilled with his chances, I will say that if he wasn’t to be the nominee, that decision needed to happen in 2021. At this point, I do believe that statistically, he’s got better odds than anyone else, so regardless of his debate or mental state, he’s our guy.

Soulg ,

This is how I feel too. The debate lowered the chances, but it’s far too late to just shove someone else in.

hydrospanner ,

Lemmy doesn’t want to hear it, but you’re correct.

TeenieBopper ,

To this point: for those who think that, do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

Literally anyone born after 1975.

Look, 45% of people are going to vote for the name on the D line no matter who it is. 45% of people are going to vote for the name on the R line no matter what. That last 10% is who you want to win over. And like, they’re tired of both of them. But Biden is the dude in office right now, so they’re gonna vote for the other one.

All Biden has to do is say “after some reflection, you’re right. I cannot serve at my best capacity. I’m going to step aside for the good of party and country,” and then they nominate literally anyone under 50. Hardcore democrats are going to vote for whoever is on that line, and middle America is going to see that and be like “that’s the honorable thing to do. I respect that. And I may not know who this new person is, but they’re not Trump” so democrats still have that tired platform without any of the baggage. They would cruise to retaining the presidency.

nednobbins ,

do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

The answer to that is clearly, “Yes.” The calls for him to bow out are coming from all corners; various mainstream media outlets, donor groups, alternative media, pundits, and even sitting Democratic politicians.

archomrade ,

Anyone still planning on voting Biden at this point can only justify it on the basis he’s not Trump, and wouldn’t decide not to vote without Biden on the ticket

A quality he shares with every other American with the exception of Trump himself.

The democrats only stand to gain votes by swapping him out. 75% of democrats would prefer a different candidate.

GiddyGap ,

Trump controls a cult, that’s why.

Cult leaders can get their followers to do anything and the followers will forgive the leader for anything, including felonies. They will dismiss any criticism of the leader as lies or made up to hurt the leader politically. No matter how true the criticism might be.

At the end of the day, it’s very much like the relationship between religious worshippers and their god.

Grass ,

even in the bible god is a straight up asshole and people still blindly worship

Ensign_Crab ,

Because we don’t expect him to have any shame or decency.

NarrativeBear , (edited )

If he had any decency or moral, Trump should have stepped down himself.

Also, kindly remind everyone with a vagina and everyone who cares about someone with one: This year’s presidential election is about abortion access. Roe vs Wade was repealed by extremist MAGA judges appointed by Trump.

Yawweee877h444 ,

If he had any decency or moral,

Trump

Lolwut

Nemo ,

Because, realistically, he won’t listen.

Biden won’t either, because he’s already proved he can win this race and you don’t retire a winning horse.

conditional_soup ,

I keep seeing this sentiment, and it boggles me. Last season’s winning horse just debuted this season with a huge limp, and the response from some people has been “it’s fine, stop panicking, we’ll win if we just keep betting on it.”

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Also, his debates last time weren’t… ideal, but he at least remained awake during them!? Anyway, I’m with you: I understand someone wanting him to win, but how on earth can this be considered a done deal already?

There is a time and a place to stop all questions and get to work. But we aren’t there yet!? And being ready to change one’s mind based on the most current set of facts is literally the hallmark of the Age of Enlightenment, as opposed to e.g. the divine right of rulers to continue for as long as they wish to?

Lemminary ,

at least remained awake during them

It’s fine if you want to criticize Biden, but can we stop with the Sleepy Joe bullshit? It’s nothing but Trump’s political slander.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

I mean did you…

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watch the…

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thing, you know the thing, that does the stuff?

Please note, I’m not suggesting to not vote Democrat. Also, the sleepy Joe stuff back then was different than it was here during this debate?

Lemminary ,

Yes, not the whole thing, but I watched enough and I’m not even American. Is there a specific part you’d like to point out?

This is also relevant and worth considering: nbcnews.com/…/biden-quips-almost-fell-asleep-onst…

Also, can you type normally, please? I’m not sure what your formatting is trying to convey but it feels either sarcastic or condescending for no good reason.

conditional_soup ,

I think the part where he finally beat medicare is the best example.

youtu.be/i3eYmc1AkMs?si=RJkeAb7gwN_TJOSG

Lemminary ,

That’s a funny bit of fumbling. Reminds me of Bush’s “You can’t get fooled again” and the other contender’s own brand of hilarious fumbling and ramblings.

conditional_soup ,

The difference is that Biden has markedly declined from previous performances. He spent most of that night stumbling, mumbling, and struggling to speak clearly, none of which is his stutter, because a stutter is a very specific speech impediment. He was downright difficult to understand on average, and flat out unintelligible at worst. Even when he got riled up, like with the losers and suckers remark, it sounded like he was having trouble forming word sounds accurately, like he has dysarthria. Even in carefully curated campaign material, like asking for donations, he sounds out of breath and like he’s struggling to speak clearly.

Lemminary ,

I’d like to see him on his upcoming interview all well and rested and then we can compare.

conditional_soup ,

Sure, I’d welcome Biden changing my mind on this.

I think it’s a little alarming that his last international travel was almost two weeks pre-debate and that left him tired enough to perform badly. And by badly, I mean the worst debate performance I’ve seen ever, and I’ve been watching since Bush/Kerry. I also don’t think it bodes well that he hasn’t yet done any big interviews or press conferences to show that it really was just a fluke, which seems like a fairly easy thing to do if he really is actually fine. I would feel much better about his odds of beating Trump if he could start reliably doing public speaking at a similar quality to what he displayed in 2020, which remains to be seen a whole week later.

ryathal ,

This is the real problem. This election is likely to be close either way, a Biden that can’t make appearances in battleground states before the election is not going to do well.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Excellently articulated. Perhaps there’s a simple explanation for all of this - perhaps he’s sick, or if we really want to get conspiratorial, even maliciously poisoned? (I’m trying to convey something that would be outside of his control hence not remotely his fault in any way.)

The thing is, it doesn’t matter. He could have cancelled the debate altogether, but instead he rushed through it. This seems reminiscent of his handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, which tbf was 99.9% Trump’s deal, except the handling of it was Biden’s, and revealed some about his personality, to ignore his advisors and substitute his own knowledge for theirs. Which is fine, it’s his prerogative as President to do exactly that, except… he was wrong. The first and basically only job of a leader is to pick good advisors and listen to them, so as to be correct. (Then, if time, train someone else to do likewise.)

This is also reminiscent of Bill Clinton’s handling of his sexual scandals - it happens, but then he went and lied about it to the Supreme Court, which was a whole other thing.

So now, people are - FOR SOME REASON - not quite trusting that what Biden is saying is truthful. Maybe he means well, maybe it really is temporary, but again, none of that is relevant. He needs to reassure people, if not last week’s opportunity then create some new one, that he really does have what it takes to go the distance and be the leader of the United States of America for the next four years.

Fuck, I’m freaking out, bc Trump is going to win.:-( Anyway, thank you for keeping your head about you as the rest of us lose ours - your calm and cogent analyses of things are helpful to read:-).

John_McMurray ,

Three fucking years, Joe being senile was a “conspiracy theory” and then they trot captain Alzheimer’s out

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Tbf it really did seem a conspiracy theory back when it started. He used to be fairly energetic, despite being old. But, time passes.

The problem now is that unlike conservatives, liberals don’t take as kindly to being lied to, and to say that he’s both too old to speak and also not too old to be President… it just doesn’t sit right.

John_McMurray ,

Case by case basis. Sanders, Trump, etc, not too old yet, Biden too old despite being numerically the same.

Ensign_Crab ,

Particularly when the same wing of the party was utterly vicious about Sanders’ age when he was 75 back in 2016.

HaleHirsute ,

You’re right, it’s worse than being sleepy, it’s dramatic dementia and cognitive decline.

Lemminary ,

Cognitive decline, probably at his age, but dementia? Says which medical professional? lol

Illuminostro ,

Just like Trump. Except that Trump is very, very stupid.

Grebes ,

Trump has 88 really good reasons not to drop out. Without control of the justice system he’s going to be in jail for the rest of his life and republicans have shackled themselves to him.

AndrewZabar ,

I don’t know if you’ve been not paying attention but even if he’s not elected, he will never see the inside of a jail cell. Trump is untouchable. I’m not sure why, most people speculate he has dirt on some very powerful people - really serious dirt on many really powerful people. That’s only speculation, but if you recall during his first campaign he bragged about how much he was loved and worshiped he said he could walk out of Trump tower onto Fifth Avenue, and shoot someone dead in broad daylight and he would never face any consequences whatsoever. And he was right.

Illuminostro ,

No, Putin has dirt on everyone in the Republican leadership. They hacked the RNC’s servers, too. Lindsey Graham changing his opinion 180 after an afternoon playing golf with Trump should tell you everything you need to know. Graham was literally crying on Fox defending Trump. We all know he’s gay, but Putin has to something absolutely terrible on him. Like having a chocolate bar in his mouth.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

you don’t retire a winning horse

REMEMBER: You need that horse for working right AFTER the race.

Nemo ,

You and I need that. Does the DNC?

NeoNachtwaechter ,

No, i do not need any of these clowns.

What is a dnc?

Nemo ,

The Democratic National Committee - the ruling elite of the Democratic Party. I’m saying the people want effective governance but the party just wants power.

Illuminostro ,

The President is a figurehead, their administration do 99% of the work.

Not_mikey ,

This isn’t 2020 though, at this point in 2020 Biden had a 8 point lead on Trump and even then he only won a narrow victory in the electoral college with Pennsylvania, Arizona and Wisconsin, now he’s down by 2 points overall and down even worse in those swing states. Then he was a relative unknown and people were willing to give him a shot against the known evil of trump . Now people have gotten to see him and they do not like what they see, his approval rating is worse then Trump’s was at the depths of the pandemic.

Illuminostro ,

This isn’t 2020 though,

Tell your superiors at the troll farm they need to change the script. Too many of you using the same exact phrasing is giving you away, tovarish.

Not_mikey ,

Where is this reasoning that “Biden should withdraw” is a Russian talking point coming from besides the paranoid delusions of liberals who blame everything bad on Russia. Putin knows even less then us on whether Biden withdrawing would be good or bad for trump.

It’s not even like this is a fringe idea any more, members of the house are calling for him to step down and even pelosi thinks it’s a legitimate question, are they Russian trolls? We need to have a serious discussion on this and not dismiss the other side as a psyop like alex Jones, otherwise we’re gonna let inertia carry us to a loss like in 2016.

Ensign_Crab ,

Where is this reasoning that “Biden should withdraw” is a Russian talking point coming from besides the paranoid delusions of liberals who blame everything bad on Russia.

They don’t blame everything bad on Russia. They blame everything they don’t like on Russia. It’s why they scream that anyone who says Biden should stop supporting genocide is a Russian.

John_McMurray ,

You do when the Kentucky Derby is next week and it’s got a broken leg

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Biden won’t either, because he’s already proved he can win this race and you don’t retire a winning horse.

this isn’t 2020. it’s 2024, and a different race. Trump has had 4 years to retcon (or rather double down?) on his reputation. (whatever, he’s had four years to shore up his support.). Further, in 2020… the war in ukraine hadn’t started yet, neither had the Israeli genocide in gaza; the Pandemic was still on-going (and trump was fucking up left right and center on that.)

the point being, the circumstances are different and Biden has a lot of baggage he’s carrying- especially lately with Gaza. As they say in stocks: Past performance is not an indicator of future performance.

It’s going to be a battle, and I’m not sure Biden can win.

That said, Trump belongs in jail. (or the grave. I make exceptions for certain things. like being a rapist pedophile traitor.)

In a sane world, that should be enough for a cardboard cut out of Yogi Bear to win. I used to think that Princess Amidala being 14 and the planetary head of state was hilariously unrealistic, yet here we are hoping to elect an asshole that supports genocide because the other guy is a cartoon villain that would happily genocide his own citizens because they didn’t let him do his pedophile-rape thing. It’s the kind of plot Palpatine would appreciate.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

A winning horse?!

It’s hard to imagine how you could pick a horse less likely to win.

Nemo ,

Except, presumably, all the people he beat out for the nomination.

Look, I loved Dave too, but it was fiction.

BaldManGoomba ,

Firstly, foreign nations interfering with our country wants chaos. Trump is chaos but they will latch onto anything to sew discord and craziness.

Second the Republicans don’t care they are voting for Trump period or against democrats period there is little to change their mind. Conservatives don’t have to do something to win they have to hold every one and anything back.

Thirdly, the left is critical thinkers who are trying for better so there is always dissent or people criticizing/arguing the best way to do a thing causing lots of bad will. Doesn’t help we don’t have a left party and have a middle party always trying to court to the right.

Lastly, there is tons of could been better should have done better. Democrats and DnC sucks. They have a bunch of old fogeys holding onto power and their donors want people who won’t change things to much. Doesn’t help the corpos where use to having zero lights shined on them under Trump and they can do whatever. Where as even if most of it was toothless Biden actually did a little bit and said a few things that upset the corps

Lost_My_Mind ,

Ok everybody. New plan. Everybody vote for me. Here’s my platform. Fuck EVERYBODY!!! Equally. No racism. No discrimination. You ALL get a middle finger to the face. In fact, fuck the donkey, fuck the elephant, my party emblem is a big middle finger. The fucking party. Don’t you want to join the fucking party? I know you want to join the fucking party. You know how hitler had the hitler salute? Well we have giving people the finger. Thats our partys gesture. In fact, do two middle fingers! Double up, mother fuckers!

And my campaign promise? I will fuck up this country at a slower rate than these two old geezers. Actually, first day in office, my first official act as president will be to give both of them the finger.

My second act will be bacon. Just…just bacon.

DebatableRaccoon , (edited )

You’ve got my vote. I’m not American but you can rule over my country and give our band of useless cretins the finger too.

lord_ryvan ,

Man, I need me a US passport just to vote for you

Willy ,

that’s not how anything works.

lord_ryvan ,

Ah, no voting for them, then

rsuri ,

Lots of people have a problem with Trump. All the more reason to want someone opposing him who can beat him.

Chainweasel OP ,

Who do you have in mind?

rsuri ,

Anybody but Biden. Kamala seems to be the expected replacement, that works. If not her, pretty much anyone else. Trump is a terrible candidate. While he has experience in show business, he’s way past his prime and pretty much any person should be able to beat him in a debate at this point.

I was actually recently thinking through people I’ve known and whether they could’ve done a better job debating Trump than Biden did. Generally any adult with a functioning mind would do better. Adults I’ve known with a HS education could’ve crushed Trump in that debate. I’m actually not sure if a homeless guy I once debated on the street regarding the meaning of pi would do better or worse than Biden, he seemed to be at about Trump’s level of sanity and if Trump won this last debate, well yeah even he’d do better than Biden. I can also think of some older teenage jocks I once knew, and while they were dumb as rocks their teenager swagger would’ve been more convincing than Biden’s rambling failed attempts to remember rote speeches.

If I try to think of who is actually about at Biden’s level, I think of myself at the age of 13, when I had a presentation in front of the class on an issue and for some reason I was struck by that early teenager nervousness, and haltingly tried to give a presentation as the class tried failingly to hide their laughter at how terribly it was going. It was probably the most embarrassing day of my life. That’s Biden’s level right there, because he sounded just like me back then giving that presentation. So any person in their late teens or older with a full grasp on sanity should be a much better candidate than Biden.

14th_cylon ,

there is 333 milion people in the us. roughly 1/4 of them is of sufficient age and pro-democracy. one of them has to be able to put together coherent sentence.

ShepherdPie ,

I don’t understand how this is supposed to be like some ‘gotcha’ question. Biden wasn’t a strong candidate in 2016 and lost to Hillary, who then lost to Trump. He wasn’t a strong candidate in 2020 which is why he barely squeaked by Trump to victory. He’s an even worse candidate in 2024 which is why Trump again has a shot at the presidency.

None of this is new information and the party has has nearly a decade to find a good candidate, yet they keep foisting some of the most unlikable people upon us election afrer election after election. It almost seems as if they’re doing it on purpose at this point. It’s not our fault that they’ve waited until the 11th hour to listen to the complaints and even acknowledge what we’ve all been saying for years. If Biden loses again, maybe stop looking at leftists to blame and start looking at the people in charge of this private organization deciding the fate of us all.

Mnemnosyne ,

And yet, instead of answering a simple question, you’ve launched into a ‘if only we could change the past’ screed.

If there was a good answer to the question, people like you would just answer.

ShepherdPie ,

That isn’t a “if we could only change the past screed,” it’s calling the party leadership out for allowing things to get to this point. Where in a bus barreling toward the edge of a cliff while the driver has been ignoring our pleas to turn literally any other direction. Now we’re feet from the edge and you want to chastise us for not giving an exact direction earlier and happily plummet over the cliff with the driver.

Chainweasel OP ,

That’s a long way to go to avoid a question, several paragraphs and you can’t even come up with one name.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Fine: Bernie. Happy now that you’ve got a name?

Fucking Internet lefties and demanding someone have all the answers or they’re not worth listening to

Chainweasel OP ,

Fucking Internet lefties

Ah, there it is.

14th_cylon , (edited )

he is under no obligation to have a name at hand. that is what primaries are for. not having a name at hand doesn’t make biden best possible candidate, or even passable one.

Ah, there it is.

fuck off (you are on my blocklist now, don’t bother crafting elaborate answer designed to just piss me off)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Illuminostro ,

Fuck Putin, and Trump.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Ignoring the rest of my comment to make me look like I’m demeaning all people on the left and not a specific subset of people who argue in bad faith like yourself?

Also a classic move by those same people!

AA5B ,

Bernie? The only potential candidate even older than the two in contention?

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Did I say he was perfect?

I simply provided a name when the bad faither’s pretended like that was the essential part of the argument at hand

Illuminostro ,

Fuck Putin, and the tankie pussies who need a daddy to make them feel safe.

Zerlyna ,
@Zerlyna@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget Kim Jong Un. “Beautiful” letters.

ZILtoid1991 ,

One party has principles, arguably too much in some sense.

The other either just voting for them because they love tradition so much they need to vote someone conservative, just want less taxes, or outright just evil and want to see the suffering of their fellow human beings if those happen to belong to the wrong group.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

The principle of Genocide!

Oops moral high-ground gone again.

HerrBeter ,

Didn’t trump say he’d support israel completely?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Didn’t Biden say he supports israel unconditionally?

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

You always seem to avoid answering that question about Trump. You know he will be worse for Gaza yet you still seem to want to get him elected. Your real intentions are obvious; you don’t actually care about genocide.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Oops my bad your argument got fully dismantled and it’s proven Democrats don’t care about Genocide whatsoever.

Time for whataboutism!

Your real intentions are obvious; you don’t actually care about genocide.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

What I care about isn’t the topic of discussion right now; you’re just trying to change the subject and avoiding the question.

Why are you pretending to care about genocide while actively campaigning for Trump? You know he admitted he would genocide harder and faster than Biden.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Only one of us is actively campaigning for genocide and it’s not me.

Soulg ,

Yes it is lol

ZILtoid1991 ,

If Biden didn’t support Israel, he would have been smeared as an antisemite.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

If Biden banned AIPAC (which he wont because he’s their primary recipient), he would not have been smeared as an antisemite.

DeanFogg ,

Netanyahu is the guy you should be asking about genocide

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

He said Biden loves giving him weapons to commit Genocide with.

bjoern_tantau ,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Because people have a slight sliver of hope that Biden might listen to them.

yournamehere ,

because 50% of americans are facists?

Professorozone ,

Correction, 50% of VOTING Americans are fascist. It’s the only thing that keeps me going.

englislanguage ,

Correction, 50% of VOTING Americans are VOTING fascist. Doesn’t necessarily mean they are fascist themselves.

akakunai ,

“We are not Nazis, we just vote for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.”

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe America just has a lot of acceleraionists.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Horse Race reporting, it’s literally all the mainstream has to say people are concerned about because his performance actually holds up when you check the stats.

But if you dare say that people are literally being manipulated into thinking he’s worse than he is you’re “not understanding the median voter’s struggles”

We need to force the sale of news corporations to the journalists so this profit maxxing bothsidesifying shit can go the way of the dodo.

spujb ,

everyone is kind of giving snarky answers with a couple helpful tidbits in between but the true answer is:

trump is polling well. current polling indicates that trump is doing good enough at what is expected of him, which at the moment is simply running a campaign that will beat the democratic candidate.

people only really start calling for dropping out en masse when polls start to significantly falter because it’s an indication that the candidate is no longer running a competitive campaign.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Yeah but the polls didn’t significantly falter, they’re still statistically tied with only a margin of error shift since the debate.

This isn’t an organic moment of partisan reconsideration. It’s being pushed by the same folks who were already loudly and obnoxiously telling us about how they don’t like Joe and threatening to vote protest or skip voting because, shock of shocks, nobody primaried the sitting president and risk sowing division right before an election where the other candidate is Hitler’s inbred pet mango.

AA5B ,

People are pretty divided and strongly set in their beliefs. Most of the things that come out of Trumps mouth mean I’ll vote for a shrubbery if it is the only other choice

… but I do also think Biden has done a pretty good job and would like to see more of the same, with a hop to the left

PhlubbaDubba ,

I’m decently confident that if we don’t see it with Biden we’ll see it with the candidates who come for 28. I’m crossing my fingers for Whitmer right now, plenty of progressive bonafides, runs a solidly blue government in a swing state quite well, and the Redcaps literally plotted to kidnap her and do a lot of other nasty shit I won’t write out to her so we’re hardly gonna have to worry about her not taking the threat seriously.

lord_ryvan ,

I can’t believe how far down I had to scroll for a genuine answer. Thank you. Have my only upvote in this thread.

lord_ryvan ,

I can’t believe how far down I had to scroll for a genuine answer. Thank you. Have my only upvote in this thread.

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