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why isn't anyone calling for Trump to drop out.

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

vividspecter ,

Republican candidates aren’t held to the same standards because Republican voters don’t care (or they actually like it).

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Republican candidates aren’t held to the same standards because Republican voters are absolute morons

Alteon ,

He gave them $1,600 in stimulus checks. Some of the poorer people think he’ll make things more affordable for people, lower costs, make crypto better, and essentially just rain down money. They have to think of their families future, and apparently they think Trump will do that. They don’t care what he’s done, he’s a means to an end, and if they can wrap an American flag around him, profess him the new Messiah, and ban abortions to do it, they will.

Republicans are either extremely ignorant or they just lack any and all empathy. They get their news from Fox that shields them from the truth, and they live in constant fear of blood-drinking evil liberals, illegal racist/murderer aliens, and that their money is being stolen from them by undesirables that feed off the system.

Their entire world view is a facade to make rich people richer and their ignorance of that makes them expendable pawns. It’d be comical if it wasn’t so tragic…

LadyMeow ,

His base are enthusiastically slobbering on his c**k, and most prominent politicians for the gqp seem to be lining up to holster it when his base are done. Not to mention the supreme crunchwrap court are in love with him too.

KingJalopy ,

You can say cock on the Internet. No one will tell on you.

andrew ,
@andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

That’s it, I’m reporting you.

/s just in case

LadyMeow ,

Send me to jail, offsir

mPony ,

COCK POLICE REPORTING FOR DUTY

LadyMeow ,

🫡

LadyMeow ,

True, and i have said all kinds of stuff in the internet but i dont want to too much. :p

adam_y ,
@adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

Someone knows their cock rights.

KingJalopy ,

Not really, I’m just cock sure.

lord_ryvan ,

Well better not get cocky about it, okay?

datavoid ,

I dread the day when every thread on Lemmy defaults to a series of puns.

It does feel inevitable though, like some sort of internet entropy - eventually everything morphs into wordplay.

lord_ryvan ,

Cockserisation 👌👌👌

Jokes aside, I feel like this is also just a human thing or guy thing, a bunch of my guy friends or family members and I would do the same thing IRL

somethingsnappy ,

My cocktail lefts. Just sayin.

Strider ,

Cocky.

lord_ryvan ,

fyi most Lemmy instances do not censor slurs, so unlike YouTube and Xitter you don’t have to worry about that here

fubbernuckin ,

Why did you censor cock?

LadyMeow ,

Seemed like the thing to do. Apparently struck a nerve lol

steal_your_face ,
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m calling on trump to commit suicide for the good of our country.

occhionaut ,

personally extending that to a fat majority of republicans

Red_October ,

Most of the people who think Trump should drop out have been loudly opposing him for a long time. There isn’t just one single thing they object to, no great unifying theme they can point at and say “This is why he should not run,” because Everything about him is a reason why he should absolutely not be president. Even his Felony conviction is, while perhaps more than a drop, just a splash in the bucket of what should be utterly career ending circumstances.

The people who still support Trump don’t care about any of that. They’re not going to suddenly see one particular turn-off and decide that’s it, that’s why Trump should back out. They’re committed, in too deep, they can’t back down now because it would mean the Libs were actually right all along, and that presents, to them, an existential threat. And in the end, it’s the Republican way.

When Democrats, even popular ones, fuck up, other Democrats are much more likely to turn on them, to call for and get resignations. With Republicans, that’s almost unheard of. Republicans take Part Unity to an extreme, circling the wagons and assuming a full defensive position no matter how incredibly abhorrent the crime, no matter how blatant the evidence. Today we’re seeing the perfect example. Biden fucked up a debate, stumbling over his own words like an old man well past his prime, and the party is calling for him to step down. Trump has built his whole political career on stumbling over his own words, with the only cogent statements he manages being blatant lies, and his people would rather murder their neighbors than see him lose.

Psycoder , (edited )

As much as I agree with everything you say, there is one more thing that needs to be said.

I started watching the debate fully aware of the fact that Trump was a POS. Trump was a POS in 2016, 2020, and 2024. On the other hand, I started watching the debate hoping to see president Biden could make Trump look even dumber. What I got was a very clearly senile guy that failed to make coherent sentences 10+ times in a 90 minute debate.

Trump was who he has always been during the debate. Biden was senile during the debate. At this point I’m not asking Biden to drop because I like Trump. That is wrong. I hate Trump. I’m asking Biden to drop because I know he won’t be able to beat Trump. On the other hand, he might have no problem beating medicare.

InternetUser2012 ,

I love when trolls post bullshit like this, it just fires up the democratic voters. Biden will win with more votes than the last time he beat that 34 time convicted felon, rapist, loser.

prunerye ,

Anyone who disagrees with you isn’t a troll. Biden looked how he looked, and moderates/independents don’t have the same appetite for copium as you do.

InternetUser2012 ,

Sounds like something a troll would say. Your post history is also matching what a troll/bot is. I agree 100% that just because someone disagrees with me they aren’t necessarily a bot, BUT, there’s a fuckton of bots/trolls out there now to do what they did in 2016.

Psycoder ,

Ok, go ahead with Biden. I decided to take a break from politics. I’ll be sitting out this election.

Enjoy.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2d80f74f-ccc7-4ed6-9f21-f17ea7ba609c.jpeg

Psycoder ,

You are absolutely right. I’m a Russian bot.

Lightor ,

I mean, if anything your lending more credibility to Trump if Biden stays in, kinda playing the “both sides” game. Especially saying things like “I know he won’t be about to beat Trump”, basically telling people it’s pointless to vote for Biden.

EldritchFeminity ,

Interesting way of saying “my human rights aren’t up for debate every 4 years.”

InternetUser2012 ,

Lol, your account is six days old, nothing but troll posts. Bro, if you’re not a bot, you’re clearly not American, so you can just stfu K? Ty, go slob that putin knob boy.

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Oh look another super new account posting doom and gloom anti biden stuff. So weird.

InternetUser2012 ,

On anything political, it’s about as bad as reddit. Possibly worse, I haven’t been on reddit for almost a year.

Psycoder ,

Ok, go ahead with Biden. I decided to take a break from politics. I’ll be sitting out this election.

Enjoy.

KillerTofu ,

Thanks for enabling the facism!

pyre ,

you think rape and pedophilia are going to turn off republicans?

Doomsider ,

Savage!

Facebones ,

And accurate, fighting both existing and new minimum marriage age requirements has been a priority for Republicans in like 10+ different states over the past 5 years or so.

doggle , (edited )
  1. Most people who want him to drop out were never going to vote for him anyway.
  2. People (perhaps erroneously) perceive a chance of Biden actually doing it. Trump will never drop out as winning the presidency is his only shot at avoiding incarceration. He’ll probably run again in 2028 if he’s still around by then.
  3. Trump isn’t incumbent, meaning the GOP already had a full primary in the past year. They’ve already determined they don’t have a better alternative. Technically the Dems could have nominated someone other than Biden, but it was never a very likely possibility, so people aren’t as familiar with Democratic alternatives.
  4. Republicans either don’t believe any of the criticisms you made of Trump are true, are okay with them, still believe him to be the lesser of two evils, or some combination of these. This is largely due to right-wing propaganda e.g. Fox News, OAN, Info Wars, etc.

I’m no expert, these are just what I perceive to be happening. There’s probably other factors at play as well.

Edit: with the recent supreme court rulings, I’m guessing that he may be able to avoid jail even if he doesn’t win. I still don’t see any chance he’ll drop out.

FiniteBanjo ,

In fact, an incumbent president has never lost a primary in all of US History.

mojofrododojo ,

one of the many unique qualities of the cult 45 orange treason complex

FiniteBanjo ,

…?

Croquette ,

He won his primaries.

He lost for reelection at his second term.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

An incumbent President HAS placed third in a general election, though.

kowcop ,

Doesn’t the US have a two term (total) limit?

BrokenGlepnir ,

The constitution has decreed a two term limit, now let us see it enforce it. Pieces of paper may tell us how power is to be used, but in the end paper is paper, and power is power. A lot of Americans call on the power of the constitution while ignoring what it says.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

SCOTUS ruling that amendments are more like suggestions

doggle ,

Yes, my comment is assuming if Trump loses this year, I’d bet he’ll try for a second term in 2028.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Most people who want him to drop out were never going to vote for him anyway.

Isn’t that sort of the problem? He’s way down in the polls because most people aren’t going to vote for him?

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

“Way down” based on what poll exactly? Both of the candidates are within 2%, certainly within margin of error.

Biden isn’t really any different % wise than a month ago. Trump is up 1% from a month ago. It’s not like it’s 60/40, it’s 42/39.8

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/national/

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

it’s 42/39.8

When less than 40% of the population wants to vote for you, that’s really bad

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

When less than 50% of the population wants to vote for you, it’s obvious you’re a garbage candidate.

Let’s get rid of the garbage candidates. Maybe there’s some adults under the age of 60 who aren’t total shitbags we can nominate.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s get rid of the garbage candidates.

We had a primary for that. Unfortunately, only one serious Dem wanted to participate

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

Don’t get me started on the DNC and the fact that the voters really don’t have any real choice when it comes to who is elected.

I’ll never forgive them for screwing Bernie and handing the election to Trump by picking Hillary.

kandoh ,

If a democrat fucks up, that’s big news because they’re supposed to have their shit together and act in the best interest of all of us.

If a republican fucks up, that’s expected. Any articles about that are like ‘water is wet’. It’s not informative because we all know, even the conservatives who vote for them, that they’re in it for themselves and are out to get everyone else.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Perhaps you missed the last almost 4 years where people were doing precisely that. There was this whole thing with Ron Desantis, and Nikki Haley, and the brainworms inside of JFK, Jr., etc. It didn’t work, and his base chose Trump, if not unanimously then close enough to it, and also far back enough in the past for such a call to not be relevant anymore. Plus conservatives are just different kinds of people - for them, power is not bestowed upon someone by We The People, but ripped out of the people’s hands by force of will. Might does make Right after all, in their playbook.

But Dems are not choosing Biden. Also, no primaries are being held. So asking him to drop out is the last hope before holding your nose and voting for him anyway, hoping against hope that just like for Hillary, others do as well (although in that case… well, I’m sure this time will be different. Why am I sure? Bc… shut up, that’s why!:-P /s).

rayyy ,

holding your nose and voting for him anyway

Funny, because Joe Biden’s policies are popular with Democrats AND Republicans. The MSM, one the other hand, seems to believe everyone wants a dictatorship so they are attacking Joe Biden for bullshit reasons. Make no mistake, the right will seize power and end your freedom.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

The mainstream media is bought by the trillionaires, so I’m mostly ignoring them.

I thought The Atlantic was basically the last one left. Even The Guardian has encroached first into clickbait titles and now several paragraphs at the top of clickbait content even if the latter part of an article can finally get into real stuff. So it is in transition as it finishes off the enshittification process it already began.

But The Atlantic… I hold to a different standard, in my mind, and when they speak, I still listen. Perhaps I shouldn’t - can you point to an example from them that shows that they have jumped the shark too? The Atlantic isn’t in the same class as e.g. the NYT!!?! They are still worthwhile (I thought?)!

So media aside, people - especially young people that don’t have the personal history with political matters - they watched the debate, or saw clips of its worst moments. They see this shit with their own eyes. It’s not just the media doing a hit job, as has been true in the past. This time it’s real.

Asking your President to remain awake during a conversation, especially one prepared for literally weeks to months in advance does not sound like bullshit to me. Rather it sounds like the basic foundation for any job that I’ve ever had personally, and have ever so much as heard of.

Perhaps Biden('s people) should not have agreed to a debate in this format, giving only 2 minutes for each question, that favored Trump’s style of false but pithy statements? Nonetheless, he did agree…

Also I’m not saying he’s senile, though I would like for a real test to be done. In any case, can we agree that it doesn’t matter at this point? Doing the debate in that manner caused a LOT of harm to his campaign. Maybe I’m just not stating it in the right words, but that’s more along the lines of what I mean…

In more detail: we cannot control people. Hillary Clinton failed to earn sufficient votes, and Trump won in 2016. Now, is Biden repeating the same pattern? Vote Blue No Matter Who is an authoritarian dogma - but we have no power to enforce it. People, especially the youth, will do as they please. The only hope is to try to earn it? That’s going to be a LOT more difficult now, than it was prior to the debate…

MerrySkeptic ,

The truth is that Trump has done more for conservative causes than any president prior. He installed the far right justices that have toppled Roe v Wade and affirmative action. He enacted things like the Muslim travel bans. In short, either they know he’s a scumbag and don’t care because he gets results, or they don’t believe their own lyin’ eyes because look at the results he produces. It’s all about the bottom line, and the ends justify the means.

kinther ,
@kinther@lemmy.world avatar

I said the same thing the other day. They don’t care. They just want results. It could be a ham sandwich that is starting to mold, and if the ham sandwich got the same results, there would be morons out there wearing ham sandwich hats.

thejoker954 ,

Moldy ham sandwich '24

Has a nice ring to it.

skulkingaround ,

For the voters, they really don’t believe it. I have conservative family members. Everything is always “Oh that’s just bullshit cooked up by the crooked Biden crime family” “Oh he didn’t mean the words he said very clearly, what he really meant was blah blah blah” followed ten seconds later by “I like him because he tells it like it is”

I just don’t get it. What makes this guy seemingly have a force field that can make people deny their own eyes and ears? Ignoring morals here, just thinking with those patterns would give me a cognitive dissonance aneurysm.

Illuminostro ,

Because they hate who he hates. It’s that simple.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

Closeted socialist here. I work in an extremely remote 24/7 process industry. They play Newsmax on the TVs in the chow hall and the only time they don’t is when they are replacing tvs. EVERYONE here is a degree of an alt righter. Some were at J6. Some have “Alex Jones was right” on their thermos’. I honestly believe some would kill me if I said I’ve read Marx. Not a single one of them could accurately define a political, economic, or social system without distracting with tropes, jingoistic rhetoric, or whataboutisms. Academic education is brainwashing. Christianity is a brand-name but you don’t have to read the Bible to be a christian. I made the mistake of expressing my disappointment of Trump because of what he has said about veterans. I was mocked for believing propaganda and over time I have become known as “the liberal”. That was all it took.

It’s frustrating, and I daily struggle with unchecked bigotry. But most people here do not wake up and choose to be racist or evil. They are doing what their wildly misled moral compass is telling them to be righteous. In their eyes, the pandering of the media that we see is absolute and total corruption to them. The media does lie, they have lied. Most of them couch it In ignorance and a whispered redaction, but that’s all it took. If they can lie about anything, then they must be lying about the unflattering things. There’s a bit of head-in-the-sand and delusion, but in their eyes the rape, the lawsuits, the theft from taxpayers, all of it is exactly what they would say if they were trying to make him look bad. That’s enough for them.

I honestly don’t blame them. They have fallen for grifts, lies, and propaganda that goes back at least 200 years.

arefx ,

at the end of the day they are idiots who fell for a grift as old as time.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

I think this type of thinking is just as toxic as the thinking of the ones you so quickly call “idiots”. Not only do you fail to affect the situation in any positive way, but you harden the commitment of those that fell for the grift. Furthermore, you’re blatantly wrong. I’m sure there are things you are ignorant about. I’m positive I could find things that you think that I could demonstrate to be wildly inaccurate (mostly because I work in a very niche field that very few people do). None of them would make you an idiot. It’s okay to not know something. I’m not saying you should pander to anyone, but patience is a balm. Have some.

TokenBoomer ,

I feel ya. I didn’t talk to my mom for 2 months after she voted for Trump. This, after 4 years of me detailing his actions. Then I realized that it’s not their fault. They were never given the tools to navigate politics with education. The media lies to them. And their social circles repeat these lies. I was once just like them.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

No doubt. Every friend I have is a trumper, but my best friend believes in the cabal. It’s tough and it’s heartbreaking. But I decided I’m just going to be an example of tolerance if nothing else.

Doomsider , (edited )

Ah yes, tolerate their intolerance. Sounds like resignation to me.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure it would.

Doomsider ,

For sure, because I know exactly what you mean because I have already lived it.

arefx ,

Well, I don’t agree with you lol.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

Seems I found the first thing you’re ignorant about. Perspective.

arefx ,

No, you’re just making a generalization of me based off one opinion I have that you disagree with.

TokenBoomer ,

Critical Support for ZMonster. I also have to suffer ignorance with MAGA friends and family. Stay safe.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

🙏 Good on you. Thanks and same to you. Luckily I used to be petulant and conservative so I can fit in when I need to. And my income is used by my partner to raise a child surrounded by love, understanding, and encouragement. So I feel like I’m filtering a portion of capitalism into raising a little communist. 🤣 It’s enough to keep me gritting through the xenophobia. 😬

TokenBoomer ,

We saw fireworks last night, and my daughter mentioned, “Is that why your property taxes are so high?” I laughed. Raising class conscious kids is fun . 🤩

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

I used to work at a place where an entire department was like that. They’d always have Jordan Peterson’s latest talk/show/podcast on in the background, MAGA merch, etc. They’d always have the facial expression of an inmate mugshot. And they’d always be super short with people. One of them made a point of saying the N word as much as they could.

Any time I had to interact with them I’d dread it. I can only imagine how terribly it would have gone if I had dared say anything political in earshot of them.

corsicanguppy ,

“Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.”

SuddenDownpour ,

I actually disagree with this sentiment.

There’s clearly a split in the Democratic Party regarding the candidates and leanings of the old guard, vs a very large portion of their voter base that wants structural reforms in the country (universal public healthcare VS increased access to insurance, for instance), and I bet a large portion of the latter feel whipped into having to vote for a lesser evil rather than for a political project they actually have passion for.

Meanwhile, Trump was an outsider of the Republican party who managed to get their voters in love with him, to the point that he managed to hijack the party and leave it ripe open for a transformation from neoconservative to proto-fascist, despite the Republican old guard initially being hostile towards him.

The Republican party has managed to stay competitive, despite their political goals being less popular overall in the US than the Dems’, precisely because they allowed themselves to mutate and stay responsive to the changes in the electorate, the obvious tragedy being that democratic institutions (mostly referring to both political parties) have been far more willing to incorporate far right nutjobs who want to end democracy than they have for left-wing populism that wants to make housing affordable.

TurtleJoe ,
@TurtleJoe@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know if you don’t realize it, but you just agreed with the pithy quote.

SuddenDownpour ,

My point is that plenty of high-information Democrat voters ultimately fall in line, but the party fails to reach further beyond, while Republicans don’t actually have to “fall in line”, because they like what they’re voting for. Is this not the opposite of the quote?

BigPotato ,

It depends who the Republicans and Democrats are. Republican Voters fell in love - Establishment Republicans fell in line. Republican Officials all talked about how terrible Trump was and would be but still get on their knees when it’s time.

Democratic Voters fall in love, with Bernie and AOC and their guy. Establishment Democrats tell them to get in line… Well, the Voters either do or don’t show up.

So, you’re correct that the original subversion was true but it also depends on who any individual commenter references as “The Dems” and “The Repubs” which you can always shift to suit your needs.

The Republican party pretends they’re wagging the dog but they don’t even have a leash.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Since I’ve been able to vote, I’ve heard this. But the people in charge of the Democratic Party never seem to want to get people to fall in line. They’re content to be the default alternative to a party that demands rigid adherence.

Facebones ,

Democrats spend all their time telling anybody left of the mid right DNC establishment to eat shit except for the lap they take during election years to blame all their woes on those same leftists.

hark ,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

Nobody fell in love with biden in 2020. He was crowned the nominee because they told everyone that somehow out of all candidates he was the best chance against trump and democrats fell in line, just like they did in 2016 for hillary.

Ensign_Crab ,

Republicans love Trump, and Democrats keep ordering their voters to fall in line.

sin_free_for_00_days ,

The illegitimate SCOTUS failed to rule on his 14th Amendment disqualification because they don’t care about The Constitution. The fact that he is even a candidate shows how many republicans wipe their asses with the document.

Cosmicomical ,

People that want to stay free must learn to vote for the most viable candidate, whether they like them or not. Republicans know the left actually value proper behaviour and consistency from their candidates, so the left is vulnerable to this kind of attack. The republicans don’t care what you say about their candidate, they just want to win. But especially they want you to lose.

bane_killgrind ,

Conservatives need other people to lose, because if other people lose it feels like they are winning.

It’s why they call they cops on people for no reason. It’s why gender neutral bathrooms are bad. It’s why contraception is bad. It’s why healthcare and other social safety nets are bad.

If other people don’t lose, they don’t win. Zero sum thinking means they need you to lose.

DeanFogg ,

They sound like losers

WoahWoah ,

Because Trump is winning in the polls handily and has robust support from his base.

Biden is the opposite: he’s losing in the polls, his disapproval numbers are the highest in the history of modern polling, and many of the people that will vote for him will do it only because they have to.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Trump supporters have to as well but for different reasons. If they don’t drink the Kool-aid and play along socially they are ostracized. Which doesn’t help anyone.

hellisfulloftacos ,

As a non American, Trump winning the election makes sesne. But in general, WTF is going on in America?!

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

capitalism just progressing to it’s natural end stage.

Also…

First Past The post voting artificially limits the number of political parties to two. This allows the legacy political parties to run incredibly weak candidates since there is no competition in the electoral system.

With a more representative voting system (much like Ranked Choice voting) people would be free to vote for the person that best represents them, while still counting their vote if that candidate doesn’t win.

Kedly , (edited )

"First Past The post voting artificially limits the number of political parties to two. "

Kiiiind of, Canada has fptp as well and we have about 4.5ish competitive parties, Liberal Party, Conservative Party, NDP (“socialist” party), Bloc Quebecois (Quebec focussed party [used to be a sepratist party, but has evolved to just focus on getting more favourable policies for Quebec since separating has fallen out of favour in Quebec), and the .5 would be the Green Party. So we can vote against the main 2 without wasting our votes/effectively voting for the party we hate more. BUT the reason I said kinda is notice I said Main 2. NDP has won opposition a few times (2nd most voted for party nationally), but Only 2 parties have ever been the most voted for in an election, the Liberals and the Conservatives. (Bloc Quebecois has won the provincial government multiple times in Quebec, but obviously has never been a contender for national government)

(Green is .5 because most people know about them, but to my knowledge they have never won even a provincial government, which the other 4 all have multiple times)

Edit: Guess theres a bunch of Americans pissed that they cant blame how fucked their political system is just on FPTP

Olgratin_Magmatoe , (edited )

two-party system, political system in which the electorate gives its votes largely to only two major parties and in which one or the other party can win a majority in the legislature.

Canada is a two party system, because they fit the definition, the majority of the legislature is controlled by the main two parties:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada

Of the 338 seats, 81% of them are held by either the conservative or liberal party. The other parties have no shot of winning a majority, or taking away any significant number of seats from the big two parties.

Kedly , (edited )

Once again, NDP has won Opposition before (which to those unfamiliar, means that it held more legislative power than all other parties aside from the one that won the election). It is a viable 3rd option and likely would have won the national election roughly a decade ago if Jack Layton hadnt died of cancer during his run.

And because of how our legislature works, if the winning party wins by a minority (Less than 50% of legislative seats), the NDP can team up with the opposition to outpower the party that won and use that to attempt to get legislation that it wants pushed through as a compromise.

TL:DR your last paragraph is false and only serves to entrench the 2 most powerful parties. Canadian 3rd parties are VASTLY more viable than American ones

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

Once again, NDP has won Opposition before

And the U.S. had the federalist party which once held power. An extra party being previously viable in the past has little to do with whether or not a legislature is controlled by 1 of 2 parties.

And because of how our legislature works, if the winning party wins by a minority (Less than 50% of legislative seats), the NDP can team up with the opposition to outpower the party that won and use that to attempt to get legislation that it wants pushed through as a compromise.

“X party can team up with y” also doesn’t negate the definition of a two party system. Cooperation or not, the conservatives and liberals control the overwhelming majority of the seats.

your last paragraph is false and only serves to entrench the 2 most powerful parties.

I’ll be honest, I’m not Canadian and rarely speak about Canadian politics. So in no way am I entrenching the two most powerful parties.

And my last paragraph isn’t false. There are 338 seats in your house of Commons, and 81% of them are held by the two dominant parties. That is objectively true. The final sentence is a subjective one.

Sure, 3rd parties in Canada fair considerably better than they do in the U.S., but it seems pretty clear that they have no shot of getting a majority.

So with all of these things together, Canada is a two party system as well, largely due to the use of FPTP voting. We need more representative systems like approval and star voting.

Kedly ,

Ah ok, you have zero idea what you are talking about and are projecting American politics onto Canada. Canada has FPTP and Canada is not in anyway a 2 party country. The NDP and Bloc Quebecois have both had a very strong influence on our political landscape and just because our CURRENT government gives souch power to our two most powerful parties doesnt in anyway mean that the NDP gaining significant amount of power is an anomaly, as it has done so many times in the past

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

Tell me, how many times have the 3rd parties had a majority in the house of commons?

Kedly ,

Dude. Politics isnt all or nothing. Quebec gets far better treatment than the rest of the provinces because it has a national party that ONLY looks out for Quebecs interests, and once again, we have minority governments quite a bit of the time here in Canada, where the winning party HAS to play ball with the other parties because it doesnt control over 50% of the votes. The last Conservative government we had had to go to the lengths of shutting down the government ENTIRELY for a few weeks to avoid the NDP and Liberals from teaming up to get legislation passed without the conservatives. FPTP sucks, but our government has at least 3 valid parties to vote for any election season, 4 if you live in Quebec. You arent effectively voting for the party you hate more by voting for the party you actually want here, and again, all the NDP needs is to find a leader that had the charisma Jack Layton had and they’ll be a contender for actually winning a national election again. Even without that though they frequently win Provincial Elections and thus are the ones driving policy in those provinces

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

Dude. Politics isnt all or nothing.

I’m aware, but it doesn’t have to for my point to stand. 3rd parties lacking the ability to get majority power means it is a two party system.

The answer to my question was zero.

Taohumor ,

I’d run but no one will vote for someone with no criminal record and refuses to lie.

Colour_me_triggered ,

As a non American, trump winning will destabilise things in Europe way more than it will in America. The cunt’s said Russia can do what they want with NATO member states. It means all aid to Ukraine stops and Ukraine will lose because Putin has an endless supply of meat to take it if Ukraine can’t find the artillery shells. Russia will turn Ukraine’s now highly trained, well equipped, and battle hardened army against Poland. Major bloodbath! After enough primary school children have died on the frontline the Baltic states will be next, followed by Scandinavia.

Sure Europe will eventually stop them but at a massive cost. And that’s only if China doesn’t openly arm Russia or send troops. The only way to avoid it is if the US and Europe remain tight.

Adderbox76 ,

That’s being an alarmist to the point of absurdity.

Trump can say a lot of things. He can say he’ll leave NATO. He can say he’ll stop sending aid to Ukraine.

He can say whatever he wants, and I have no doubt the idiot actually believes it. After all, he said he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. He Said he was going to deport all DACA child. Hell, if I remember correctly, he said during the last campaign that he was going to leave NATO as well unless they fucking paid him, like it’s some sort of protection racket.

Despite the recent SC ruling, and despite four years of failing to actually do anything he said he could do, he still believes he’s a god-king. But with the exception of a presidential decree, which can be blocked by congress; nothing he’s fucking babbling about can just “be done” on his word. It has to pass Congress and the Senate, which will, despite the eventual winner of the presidency, remain close enough in seats for cooler heads to stop his bullshit. There are enough republicans, even in a Trump administration, that would never dream of fucking up that much.

The point is, Trump is a fucking idiot. And while the supreme court has made him effectively immune to criminal prosecution, his ability to do almost anything without eventually bumping up against the actual adults in the room is still pretty limited.

If he actually had the power to do what he says he can, he would have done it in his first term. But even in a party of of racists and MAGA, there are enough adults to keep him distracted with colouring books.

Colour_me_triggered ,

The heritage Foundation has been putting the right people in the right places for a long fucking time. Trump is only a foot in the door. The fundamentalists and far right will probably whack him themselves once he’s elected. They are using his stupidity and cult following to gain power. If you don’t resist, it’s going to be a handmade’s tale type dystopia for you and a return to pan continental war for us.

I don’t envy your position tbh.

kent_eh , (edited )

The point is, Trump is a fucking idiot. And while the supreme court has made him effectively immune to criminal prosecution, his ability to do almost anything without eventually bumping up against the actual adults in the room is still pretty limited.

The problem is that Trump (if elected) gets to appoint a bunch of yes-man lackeys to all the cabinet positions, meaning that there are fewer of those adults in the room to stop him from doing stupid shit.

Atin ,

Because his supporters support him to “fuck the liberals” they don’t care that trailer trash will get fucked harder under trump

Garbanzo ,

No one is asking him to drop out because they aren’t afraid he’s going to lose. Simple as that.

Everyone with their panties in a twist right now could have done something about it during the primaries, but apparently protest votes about Israeli atrocities were the priority.

explodicle ,

I did vote against him in the primary so I reserve the right to have my panties in a twist. My protest vote was for another candidate.

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