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why isn't anyone calling for Trump to drop out.

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

Sotuanduso ,

If you want an honest answer, I’d recommend finding some place that has a decent population of openly right-wing people so you can get an answer from them directly, rather than left-wingers snarking and saying they’re all brainwashed fanatics that would never dissent from the party’s candidate.

R00bot ,
@R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The short answer is that they don’t believe any of the things OP said, or they can overlook them because they believe worse things about Biden/the democrats.

ILikeBoobies ,

People do, you call them Biden supporters and dismiss them because “they wouldn’t vote for Trump anyway”

Or you say Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus and it’s all lies created by the devil

Cornpop ,

Because we know he won’t. It’s pointless. They both need to just fucking die.

revelrous ,

Consolidation of US media. Billionaires will burn the world down rather than cede an inch, and it’s their narratives that get amplified.

Doxatek ,

One thing I never understand is that all I ever hear about from Republicans is how old Biden is. While being true and not that I necessarily like Biden no one ever talks about how Trump is only three years younger. Biden has to answer for his age all the time but it’s not a thing Trump typically deals with

Grayox ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Because tRump doesnt stutter and plays golf like its his religion, which keeps him in decent shap for an old man, and now that he is on ozempic he is finally slimming down and looking healthy for the first time in 50 years.

SuddenDownpour ,

On top of that, it’s an issue that will easily change the leanings of a lot of low-information voters. Republicans know that the 2025 agenda isn’t popular with moderates, and while most of Biden’s policies have been short-reaching, they’re generally considered a positive (save for Gaza), so they attack at the very obvious and glaring weak point that isn’t actually policy-related.

Doomsider ,

Keeps him in decent shape!? Thanks for the laugh!

TurtleJoe ,
@TurtleJoe@lemmy.world avatar

Because if Biden can’t finish his term, a black woman will be president.

prunerye ,

The age isn’t itself the problem. Cognitive decline is the problem. Biden is in rapid decline; Trump is still a ways off.

scutiger ,

Trump has been rambling incoherently for years. Nothing he says makes any sense but he speaks confidently enough that the uneducated masses can’t even tell it’s nonsense.

Dasus ,
@Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah.

This is from 2018 and not even his worst ones

youtu.be/1ZAPwfrtAFY?si=7oMM2yRvyynrZm5c&t=192

ZILtoid1991 ,

Different standards. Conservatives did this since the fall of kings, and doing this while want to reinstate them.

If the opponent messes up, they’re incompetent. If they themselves, it’s either someone else’s problem, just part of being human, or try to cover it up with the media until everyone forgets it.

bloodfart ,

The people calling for Biden to drop out are supporters of his party, the democrats, who recognize that he’s unfit and incapable of winning. They want him to be replaced by someone else to increase their party’s chances of victory.

No one is calling for trump to drop out because he’s looking more fit in comparison to Biden and he’s projected to win. No one would call for a candidate to drop out when they’re in the lead if they support that candidates party.

Criminal allegations, true or false, don’t enter into it because America has a two tiered justice system where the wealthy and powerful are less beholden to the law than the rest of us and because presidency requires the violation of myriad international laws, norms and human rights.

The job title might as well be War Criminal in Chief and none of the allegations leveled at trump are disqualifying.

atrielienz ,

I don’t actually think that statement is true. Polls are notoriously wrong all the time, and the members of the Democratic Party requesting he drop out are doing so because they’re afraid to say otherwise. I’ll give you an example. Members of the Republican party notably were very critical of Trump until they realised that to continue in the political sphere they were going to have to get along to get along when it became clear he was the front runner.

The members of the DNC who are asking for Biden to step down are doing so even though they know that no other possible candidate is likely to win. They did the same with Bernie Sanders in 2016. They aren’t worried that he’ll lose the popular vote. They’re worried he’ll lose Electoral College votes because some of them are apparently still on the fence. If they wanted to put forth another candidate they would have already. Who have they put forward to put on the ticket? No one. Because they don’t have anyone else either. For them it’s a no win situation and they’re scared so they’re trying to cover their own asses.

bloodfart ,

I actually agree with your last sentence. it’s a no-win situation for the democrats and there’s a seemingly growing contingent that thinks the best loss they can take is one where a new candidate or set of candidates are introduced to the electorate.

polls are wrong all the time, you’re right. what does it look like if against all odds, biden wins? the man has shown himself to be incapable of cognitive function. should voters fall back on trusting his cabinet and handlers “our competent administrators, their unelected sycophants” style?

hes facing significant opposition from the other branches of government and even at the end of his life when faced with a supreme court ruling that gives him the legal go ahead to enact his administrations policies he won’t do it.

that’s not looking like a great second term. if he lives through it then they’re the do-nothing democrats who can’t accomplish their agenda and abandon their constituents, if he dies then they’ve got kamala who would be very funny but is incredibly disliked.

the democrats are between a rock and a hard place right now because they ran on trump being a dictatorial fascist who will crown himself god-king and now that hes going to win they’re at fault for cynically using the threat of fascism to get votes instead of building the kind of base to oppose fascism that one and a quarter centuries of history would dictate or being the boy who cried wolf if it turns out there’s a peaceful transition of power in 2028.

basically there’s no way forward with their current messaging and platform because when trump wins and institutes american fascism (it’s already here, but i’m typing from the perspective of democratic strategists) they’re naive buffons who pissed away their time and resources trying to get people to vote for an inadequate candidate on a shuffling the deck chairs platform and when trump doesn’t send the brownshirts into the streets and has a largely uneventful second term theyre the people who pissed away their time and resources on a candidate and platform which aren’t up to the challenges we face because of orange man bad.

they’re done for and the best possible outcome is an uneventful trump presidency with a smooth handover complete with “restored faith in our electoral process”. in that case it’s best to go ahead and start getting their benchwarmers out on the field to find out whos up to the task in 2026 and 2028.

fantasyocean ,

Why would he drop out? His racist and nonsensical ramblings are what Republicans/conservatives/the wealthy and his base want. It’s leftist and some liberals who don’t want that. Which is why there are calls for Biden to drop out. That’s not complicated. I barely even understand how this is a question

Blackmist ,

Because they don’t have anybody else who can pull in his vote share.

Lost_My_Mind ,

I call for him to drop out…of a boeing.

Mouselemming ,

Might be more effective to make him stay in it, all the way down

DebatableRaccoon ,

We should try both… For science.

14th_cylon ,

you mean to start the experiment by cutting him in half? i am in 😆

DebatableRaccoon ,

In the name of scientific accuracy, absolutely. Can’t go having inconclusive results, can we? Now I know one might be inclined to split him top and bottom but I posit we do left and right.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

I have access to a cleaning/cutting/welding laser. I would like to do the vertical cut… that too is for science…

DebatableRaccoon ,

It’s not science unless you’re using fancy equipment during the practical experiment!

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Have you seen the cost of those things? (Or what they do to rust?)

DebatableRaccoon ,

The cost, no. What they do to rust, yes. What they do to flesh… that’s part of the experiment.

14th_cylon ,

Now I know one might be inclined to split him top and bottom but I posit we do left and right.

so how about a compromise and splitting him in 8 parts along all three axes?

DebatableRaccoon ,

More opportunity for experimentation, I like it!

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

his jet is a boeing.

Maybe they have a door plug by his desk?

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’d be thrilled if they both dropped out.

kava ,

I think you misunderstand who is asking Biden to drop out and why.

Dems are interested in who is the DNC candidate and Republicans are interested in the GOP candidate.

Republicans as a whole are OK with Trump. He’s not incredibly popular, but he has some achievements under his belt and has a relatively small but very loyal core group of voters. The average Republican believes that a) Trump has good chances of winning election and b) will likely move forward conservative policy objectives.

Therefore, why would they want him to drop out?

If we look on the other side at Biden. A growing group of people believe that he is not 100% mentally there because of his age. Because of this, not only does he a) have lower chances of winning the election but also b) is he really competent enough to be president? Sure, there’s a sort of shadow administration behind him but people still put value in having a strong and mentally quick head of state.

Beyond that, there’s also a small group of progressive voters who are unhappy with Biden’s policies. He simply isn’t a very effective leader and is one of the most unpopular presidents in US history. He’s even more unpopular than Trump, who was also a deeply unpopular president.

So, people want Biden to resign because they believe other people would not only a better chance of winning election, but would be more effective leaders in terms of advancing DNC policy objectives.

timbuck2themoon ,

Except your arguments against Biden easily apply, and more so, against trump. He is absolutely not all there, a mere three years younger, and certainly not competent (and absolutely corrupt on top of that.)

The simple answer is- people expect Republicans to be degenerates. They don’t expect that of Democrats. It’s nothing but a shitty double standard we’ve let dictate politics for decades.

kava ,

You have to look at it from the GOP perspective. Trump is the most popular candidate, he managed to accomplish big ticket items in his administration, and he is more “mentally there” than Biden.

Just look at debate. Trump spoke quickly and confidently. Biden mumbles and forgets what he’s talking about, stands there with mouth open staring, etc.

There’s a reason in 2020 debates, polls showed most people thought Biden won the 2 debates. But in the last one, overwhelming % of people thought Trump won debates- even democratic voters.

timbuck2themoon , (edited )

Trump did not speak confidently.

He ignored the questions, he lied with abandon, and the moderators did nothing about it. Biden couldn’t keep up with the flood of lies to refute it all.

Im quite sure Biden is capable of lying just as quickly and confidently but he is a better person than that. He actually came to debate, not spit in our faces by lying right to us.

kava ,

Speaking confidence has nothing to do with lying or telling the truth. Go back 20 years ago and look at a Biden speech and compare it to today. Hell, go back 4 years ago to the last Biden v Trump debates.

Biden isn’t half the capable public speaker he was before. He mumbles and gets lost. He sounds unsure.

Trump doesn’t care if what he’s saying truth or not, he just says things with the conviction of a conman.

timbuck2themoon ,

Looking at what trump did and remembering his “nuclear” speech people need to gtfo over it and vote Biden.

Jfc

kava ,

We can discuss what people should do all day. I’m talking about what people will do. Biden is losing this election. People are talking more about whether he is even capable of the job and nothing about the good things he can do for the country. His own party is rebelling against him, with Dems from swing states calling for his resignation.

Biden’s toast, and the DNC with him. It’s unfortunate but it is what it is.

Objection ,

Because suggesting your enemy do things is meaningless.

Lucidlethargy ,

Because conservatives are cowards. It’s that simple. They are afraid of those who may challenge them.

istanbullu ,

The forecasts are showing that Trump is ahead and his lead increasing since the debate.

The democratic party is in a panic mode, trying to salvage the situation. That is why they are asking Biden to drop.

Oh also Biden is enabling mass murder and genocide.

Psycoder ,

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem

Biden was old in 2020 and that was a problem back then. In 2024, Biden is senile and that is a problem now. He failed to make coherent sentences 10+ times in a 90 minutes long debate.

At this point I do not ask Biden to drop because I like Trump. I hate Trump. I ask Biden to drop because I’m confident he can’t beat Trump. Yesterday, someone leaked the poll numbers from DNC. Before the debate Biden was leading Trump by one point. After the debate Biden is trailing behind Trump by 8 points. If things move forward as they are, then Trump will be the only Republican candidate to win popular vote in the last 2-3 decades.

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