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why isn't anyone calling for Trump to drop out.

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

Veneroso ,

In addition to the other people who replied, the answer is simple:

Fear.

Look at Kinzinger.
Look at Cheny.

You’re labeled a rhino. Your career in politics is over. And then maybe Trump retweets that there should be a military tribunal to try you for treason.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImT5pYdKw5g

It’s worth noting that treason is one of the few crimes enumerated in the constitution.

Why?

The founding fathers were all guilty of treason to the crown. And virtually anything could be charged as treason under King George.

You have to TRY to commit treason in the US.

Trump at one point asked for a list of our spies in the field. A few weeks later they started turning up dead. Trump had met with Putin between those two events. Trump refused that any records be kept from those meetings. Draw whatever conclusion you want from that knowledge, but I personally find that disqualifying. Let alone whatever he was wanting to accomplish by keeping national secrets in his bathroom in his country club.

He also happily hosted LIV’s golf tournament at Maralago. Who owns that organization? The same folks who paid Jared Kushner 2 billion dollars to “invest”. The Kingdom of Saud.

HawlSera ,

Republicans have no shame

alekwithak ,

Because not a single Republican has been held accountable for their actions since Nixon. Prove me wrong.

OutsizedWalrus ,

The only people I see calling for Biden to drop out are the media news companies.

It’s basically a fake controversy. They benefit massively from stirring the pot so people tune in to “see what’s going to happen”.

Reality is if Biden were going to drop out, he’d already have done it.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Depends on what social circles and social media circles you roll in. I know of a LOT of people who wish he wasn’t the nominee.

alekwithak ,

It takes years to plan a presidential run and the incumbent has a huge advantage. It’s infeasible to change the candidate now and would 100% split an already very polarized party. It’s a fake media controversy and the media companies are the ones causing people to feel that way by editing footage to make Biden look bad, attacking Biden’s stutter or slip up instead of Trump’s lies and gaslighting. The media is controlled by the rich and complicit in treason, but the rich never get their dues and the right is never held accountable.

Rakonat ,

This, Biden isn’t going to drop out and most of the people calling for him to resign benefit either directly from him no longer being on the ballot, or indirectly benefit in the chaos and doubt of opportunist in the democratic party jumping on what they perceive as an opportunity to enhance their standing and power within the party and political establishment as a whole.

If one singular data point (a bad debate performance) is enough to make you or anyone else think a person should immediately step aside, you’re exactly the kind of person these attacks and campaigns are directed at: someone easy to sway and scatter. I don’t particularly like Biden or most of what he’s done in the last 2 years specifically, but I also know that splitting off from him or encouraging a third candidate that will split the vote is just going to hand GOP the reigns for the next 4 years and given how they’ve spent the last 8 stomping on rights and democracy, it’ll probably be another 20 years before they lose power short of another revolution or civil war. So weighing those two scenarios, yeah I’m just going to vote Biden, sleepy or dark brandon, doesn’t matter since he can always resign after the election and let Kamala take up POTUS.

HawlSera ,

Never thought about it like that

fantasyocean ,

Why would he drop out? His racist and nonsensical ramblings are what Republicans/conservatives/the wealthy and his base want. It’s leftist and some liberals who don’t want that. Which is why there are calls for Biden to drop out. That’s not complicated. I barely even understand how this is a question

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’d be thrilled if they both dropped out.

ILikeBoobies ,

People do, you call them Biden supporters and dismiss them because “they wouldn’t vote for Trump anyway”

Or you say Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus and it’s all lies created by the devil

ArcaneSlime ,

Are you only counting insular social media bubbles like this one and/or media like CNN which takes that to be the default position and therefore doesn’t repeat it ad nauseum, or do you mean you’ve been scoping out trumpsocial where you’d be more likely to see conservatives talking amongst themselves and so you’d be more likely to see that type of infighting? Cause maybe that’s why.

GiddyGap ,

Trump controls a cult, that’s why.

Cult leaders can get their followers to do anything and the followers will forgive the leader for anything, including felonies. They will dismiss any criticism of the leader as lies or made up to hurt the leader politically. No matter how true the criticism might be.

At the end of the day, it’s very much like the relationship between religious worshippers and their god.

Grass ,

even in the bible god is a straight up asshole and people still blindly worship

Lucidlethargy ,

Because conservatives are cowards. It’s that simple. They are afraid of those who may challenge them.

kava ,

I think you misunderstand who is asking Biden to drop out and why.

Dems are interested in who is the DNC candidate and Republicans are interested in the GOP candidate.

Republicans as a whole are OK with Trump. He’s not incredibly popular, but he has some achievements under his belt and has a relatively small but very loyal core group of voters. The average Republican believes that a) Trump has good chances of winning election and b) will likely move forward conservative policy objectives.

Therefore, why would they want him to drop out?

If we look on the other side at Biden. A growing group of people believe that he is not 100% mentally there because of his age. Because of this, not only does he a) have lower chances of winning the election but also b) is he really competent enough to be president? Sure, there’s a sort of shadow administration behind him but people still put value in having a strong and mentally quick head of state.

Beyond that, there’s also a small group of progressive voters who are unhappy with Biden’s policies. He simply isn’t a very effective leader and is one of the most unpopular presidents in US history. He’s even more unpopular than Trump, who was also a deeply unpopular president.

So, people want Biden to resign because they believe other people would not only a better chance of winning election, but would be more effective leaders in terms of advancing DNC policy objectives.

timbuck2themoon ,

Except your arguments against Biden easily apply, and more so, against trump. He is absolutely not all there, a mere three years younger, and certainly not competent (and absolutely corrupt on top of that.)

The simple answer is- people expect Republicans to be degenerates. They don’t expect that of Democrats. It’s nothing but a shitty double standard we’ve let dictate politics for decades.

kava ,

You have to look at it from the GOP perspective. Trump is the most popular candidate, he managed to accomplish big ticket items in his administration, and he is more “mentally there” than Biden.

Just look at debate. Trump spoke quickly and confidently. Biden mumbles and forgets what he’s talking about, stands there with mouth open staring, etc.

There’s a reason in 2020 debates, polls showed most people thought Biden won the 2 debates. But in the last one, overwhelming % of people thought Trump won debates- even democratic voters.

nednobbins ,

The people calling for Biden to drop out are completely different from the people who want Trump to stay in the race.

Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don’t believe he can beat Trump.

Republicans want Trump to stay on the ticket because they’re pretty sure he’ll crush Biden .

hydrospanner ,

Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don’t believe he can beat Trump.

To this point: for those who think that, do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

While I’m not thrilled with his chances, I will say that if he wasn’t to be the nominee, that decision needed to happen in 2021. At this point, I do believe that statistically, he’s got better odds than anyone else, so regardless of his debate or mental state, he’s our guy.

Soulg ,

This is how I feel too. The debate lowered the chances, but it’s far too late to just shove someone else in.

hydrospanner ,

Lemmy doesn’t want to hear it, but you’re correct.

TeenieBopper ,

To this point: for those who think that, do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

Literally anyone born after 1975.

Look, 45% of people are going to vote for the name on the D line no matter who it is. 45% of people are going to vote for the name on the R line no matter what. That last 10% is who you want to win over. And like, they’re tired of both of them. But Biden is the dude in office right now, so they’re gonna vote for the other one.

All Biden has to do is say “after some reflection, you’re right. I cannot serve at my best capacity. I’m going to step aside for the good of party and country,” and then they nominate literally anyone under 50. Hardcore democrats are going to vote for whoever is on that line, and middle America is going to see that and be like “that’s the honorable thing to do. I respect that. And I may not know who this new person is, but they’re not Trump” so democrats still have that tired platform without any of the baggage. They would cruise to retaining the presidency.

nednobbins ,

do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

The answer to that is clearly, “Yes.” The calls for him to bow out are coming from all corners; various mainstream media outlets, donor groups, alternative media, pundits, and even sitting Democratic politicians.

archomrade ,

Anyone still planning on voting Biden at this point can only justify it on the basis he’s not Trump, and wouldn’t decide not to vote without Biden on the ticket

A quality he shares with every other American with the exception of Trump himself.

The democrats only stand to gain votes by swapping him out. 75% of democrats would prefer a different candidate.

JasonDJ , (edited )

Because we know he won’t. He knows he’s unwelcome by the majority of the people. That just makes his worshippers praise him even more.

What do you expect…Democrats ask him to step down because he’s a convicted felon? He’s gonna listen?

Republicans to have him step down…why? Because he said lies(that they believe) and sounded good saying them?

Biden we at least know is receptive. And he’s got an amazing career behind him. Losing the presidency, as an incumbent, to Trump (the incumbent he just barely defeated four years ago when he exuded much more confidence when he spoke against him) would be a terrible way to end it.

There’s nothing in the world more powerful than a good story.

crusa187 ,

Trump’s the perfect figurehead for MAGA, why should he drop out?

Asafum ,

I’m honestly pretty damn mad these people got perfect representation and we get stuck with neolibs who think “yeah yeah 40 years of the same hasn’t helped, but this time it will work!”

jorp ,

It’s because Democrats are not “we.” Both parties serve corporate interests.

StaySquared ,

It’s not age. It’s competency. There’s 100 year olds that are more competent than Biden. I’m not calling Biden stupid. I’m saying like the rest of the fkin world has been saying for the past few years, Biden’s mind is degrading.

UnderpantsWeevil , (edited )
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

He’s not competent enough to run a campaign that defeats Donald Trump.

And I was told that “Beat Donald Trump” is the most important thing in the world. But now, I guess, it isn’t? It’s just about appeasing the ego of a senile old coot and his weird family.

Serinus ,

Meanwhile Trump’s syphilis riddled mind is sharp as a tack?

The dude literally wears diapers.

StaySquared ,

Helluvalot sharper than Biden from what the world witnessed in that recent debate lol

Even his wife treats him like a fkin child, “ooooh muuuuh gaaawd, I am sooo proud of youuuuu!! You answered all the questions!!!”

Literally wears diapers, eh? At least the entire world isn’t accusing him of literally chitting his pants.

LMAO, seriously, I couldn’t give a fk less about Trump, I only like him because during his reign, the economy was popping, people were thriving, businesses were booming… chit was glorious especially for those of us trying to get ourselves into home ownership. If another Democrat runs this country for another 4 years, we’re ending up in WWIII and isolated from the rest of the world except the NATO alliance, if they don’t turn their backs on us too.

PsychedSy ,

You’re allowed to swear on lemmy.

spirinolas ,

It’s easy not to mumble and stutter when all you’re doing is repeating the same rehearsed diatribe against immigrants, no matter the question. A speaking toddler could do that.

StaySquared ,

Immigrants? I didn’t even mentioned immigrants in my previous comment. wat.

spirinolas ,

Are you Donald Trump? Learn how to read.

XeroxCool ,

That “booming” economy is a straight line on any chart from 2010 to 2019. GDP, unemployment, debt, income, whatever you want to check. Funny you think democrats are why things tank. Do you associate the 2008 financial crisis with Obama? Because that nosedive, which landed lower in 2009 than we hit in 2020, has a clear nosedive starting in 2004. Please don’t tell me you think the astonishingly-low gas prices in 2020 were Trump’s doing, either. People literally stopped driving altogether and oil companies couldn’t offload ships since demand was so low. I’m not really sure who you’re concerned about regarding WW3 that you think would be a powerful player that isn’t in NATO and isn’t already against the US. But really, it’s impressive to think Trump’s tenure was such a safe haven of global peace when Russia, one of 2 likely opponents, was thrilled with Trump because he was friendly to them. That’s not peacekeeping or carrying a big stick, that’s Putin making the marionette dance.

I implore you to check out a few additional “news” sources and actual analyst sources. If your news sources get emotional, that’s not news. If your analyst sources cite high school polls, that’s not analysis. If your source of stats is unverified text-over-pictures or commentary social media videos, God help us all.

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