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why isn't anyone calling for Trump to drop out.

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

rsuri ,

Lots of people have a problem with Trump. All the more reason to want someone opposing him who can beat him.

Chainweasel OP ,

Who do you have in mind?

rsuri ,

Anybody but Biden. Kamala seems to be the expected replacement, that works. If not her, pretty much anyone else. Trump is a terrible candidate. While he has experience in show business, he’s way past his prime and pretty much any person should be able to beat him in a debate at this point.

I was actually recently thinking through people I’ve known and whether they could’ve done a better job debating Trump than Biden did. Generally any adult with a functioning mind would do better. Adults I’ve known with a HS education could’ve crushed Trump in that debate. I’m actually not sure if a homeless guy I once debated on the street regarding the meaning of pi would do better or worse than Biden, he seemed to be at about Trump’s level of sanity and if Trump won this last debate, well yeah even he’d do better than Biden. I can also think of some older teenage jocks I once knew, and while they were dumb as rocks their teenager swagger would’ve been more convincing than Biden’s rambling failed attempts to remember rote speeches.

If I try to think of who is actually about at Biden’s level, I think of myself at the age of 13, when I had a presentation in front of the class on an issue and for some reason I was struck by that early teenager nervousness, and haltingly tried to give a presentation as the class tried failingly to hide their laughter at how terribly it was going. It was probably the most embarrassing day of my life. That’s Biden’s level right there, because he sounded just like me back then giving that presentation. So any person in their late teens or older with a full grasp on sanity should be a much better candidate than Biden.

14th_cylon ,

there is 333 milion people in the us. roughly 1/4 of them is of sufficient age and pro-democracy. one of them has to be able to put together coherent sentence.

ShepherdPie ,

I don’t understand how this is supposed to be like some ‘gotcha’ question. Biden wasn’t a strong candidate in 2016 and lost to Hillary, who then lost to Trump. He wasn’t a strong candidate in 2020 which is why he barely squeaked by Trump to victory. He’s an even worse candidate in 2024 which is why Trump again has a shot at the presidency.

None of this is new information and the party has has nearly a decade to find a good candidate, yet they keep foisting some of the most unlikable people upon us election afrer election after election. It almost seems as if they’re doing it on purpose at this point. It’s not our fault that they’ve waited until the 11th hour to listen to the complaints and even acknowledge what we’ve all been saying for years. If Biden loses again, maybe stop looking at leftists to blame and start looking at the people in charge of this private organization deciding the fate of us all.

Mnemnosyne ,

And yet, instead of answering a simple question, you’ve launched into a ‘if only we could change the past’ screed.

If there was a good answer to the question, people like you would just answer.

ShepherdPie ,

That isn’t a “if we could only change the past screed,” it’s calling the party leadership out for allowing things to get to this point. Where in a bus barreling toward the edge of a cliff while the driver has been ignoring our pleas to turn literally any other direction. Now we’re feet from the edge and you want to chastise us for not giving an exact direction earlier and happily plummet over the cliff with the driver.

Chainweasel OP ,

That’s a long way to go to avoid a question, several paragraphs and you can’t even come up with one name.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Fine: Bernie. Happy now that you’ve got a name?

Fucking Internet lefties and demanding someone have all the answers or they’re not worth listening to

Chainweasel OP ,

Fucking Internet lefties

Ah, there it is.

14th_cylon , (edited )

he is under no obligation to have a name at hand. that is what primaries are for. not having a name at hand doesn’t make biden best possible candidate, or even passable one.

Ah, there it is.

fuck off (you are on my blocklist now, don’t bother crafting elaborate answer designed to just piss me off)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Illuminostro ,

Fuck Putin, and Trump.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Ignoring the rest of my comment to make me look like I’m demeaning all people on the left and not a specific subset of people who argue in bad faith like yourself?

Also a classic move by those same people!

AA5B ,

Bernie? The only potential candidate even older than the two in contention?

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Did I say he was perfect?

I simply provided a name when the bad faither’s pretended like that was the essential part of the argument at hand

Illuminostro ,

Fuck Putin, and the tankie pussies who need a daddy to make them feel safe.

Sotuanduso ,

If you want an honest answer, I’d recommend finding some place that has a decent population of openly right-wing people so you can get an answer from them directly, rather than left-wingers snarking and saying they’re all brainwashed fanatics that would never dissent from the party’s candidate.

R00bot ,
@R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The short answer is that they don’t believe any of the things OP said, or they can overlook them because they believe worse things about Biden/the democrats.

John_McMurray ,

Bidens a crooked pedo, accused of rape repeatedly, with severe dementia and a crooked family n past also, so…?

John_McMurray ,

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    Cryophilia ,

    Yeah.

    John_McMurray ,

    Well maybe you should stop engaging in idiotic conspiracy theories and admit these are documented fact, confirmed by and in legal proceedings

    subignition ,
    @subignition@fedia.io avatar

    You should get your oxygen saturation checked, pretty sure you're slowly suffocating your brain cells passively by existing

    John_McMurray ,

    “I dont like reality so I pretend it doesn’t exist so I don’t have to reconsider my views”

    subignition ,
    @subignition@fedia.io avatar

    You don't need to quote things when you are the one thinking them.

    John_McMurray ,

    “I know you are but what am I?” Stfu Peewee

    JimSamtanko ,

    Hilarious take there bud. Care to show your work on this?

    John_McMurray ,

    Search engines are right there, just look it up. None of this is obscure or hard to find.

    JimSamtanko ,

    That’s not how it’s going to work here. You made the claim. The onus is on you to support it with evidence when asked because the time it takes to figure out that there is none, shouldn’t be something anyone but you should have to endure.

    John_McMurray ,

    Oh, so you’re in charge now? I don’t take orders from people completely unaware of the recent news or how to look stuff up. Speaks to their intelligence, that they’d even try this.

    JimSamtanko ,

    Cool. That’s fair. However- you shouldn’t expect anyone to believe a word you say if you’re unwilling to support it with evidence. And considering your comment history- even providing evidence isn’t really going to help you out here.

    But thanks for playing. No prizes for you today.

    John_McMurray ,

    Pointed you in the right direction. You can wallow in ignorance, sound like an idiot, or you can go read about it. I don’t care, attempting changing minds of people like you is a waste of effort generally.

    JimSamtanko ,

    As I said. It’s your responsibility to support your bullshit. Not mine. Put up, or shut up. I’m sure you’ve heard the term.

    John_McMurray ,

    Conversation over.

    JimSamtanko ,

    So you’re going with “shut up.”

    Smart move. It’s what I would have chosen if I were you.

    theywilleatthestars ,

    Because there’s no way he’ll do so

    steal_your_face ,
    @steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’m calling on trump to commit suicide for the good of our country.

    occhionaut ,

    personally extending that to a fat majority of republicans

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    Horse Race reporting, it’s literally all the mainstream has to say people are concerned about because his performance actually holds up when you check the stats.

    But if you dare say that people are literally being manipulated into thinking he’s worse than he is you’re “not understanding the median voter’s struggles”

    We need to force the sale of news corporations to the journalists so this profit maxxing bothsidesifying shit can go the way of the dodo.

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    I call for him to drop out…of a boeing.

    Mouselemming ,

    Might be more effective to make him stay in it, all the way down

    DebatableRaccoon ,

    We should try both… For science.

    14th_cylon ,

    you mean to start the experiment by cutting him in half? i am in 😆

    DebatableRaccoon ,

    In the name of scientific accuracy, absolutely. Can’t go having inconclusive results, can we? Now I know one might be inclined to split him top and bottom but I posit we do left and right.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    I have access to a cleaning/cutting/welding laser. I would like to do the vertical cut… that too is for science…

    DebatableRaccoon ,

    It’s not science unless you’re using fancy equipment during the practical experiment!

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    Have you seen the cost of those things? (Or what they do to rust?)

    DebatableRaccoon ,

    The cost, no. What they do to rust, yes. What they do to flesh… that’s part of the experiment.

    14th_cylon ,

    Now I know one might be inclined to split him top and bottom but I posit we do left and right.

    so how about a compromise and splitting him in 8 parts along all three axes?

    DebatableRaccoon ,

    More opportunity for experimentation, I like it!

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    his jet is a boeing.

    Maybe they have a door plug by his desk?

    Glide , (edited )

    Because people think Biden may actually do it. No one is stupid enough to believe Trump would put aside his ego long enough to consider the problems created by his extreme age.

    prunerye ,

    People think Biden may actually do it? I hope I’m wrong, but I think that’s pure fantasy. One ego is definitely bigger than the other, but you don’t become President by being a good person.

    prunerye ,

    I was so, so very wrong. And I’m quite happy about it.

    HomerianSymphony ,

    Because he’s winning.

    The people calling for Biden to drop out are doing it for one reason: Because they fear Biden won’t win.

    It has nothing to do with how moral Biden or Trump are or are not.

    Atin ,

    Because his supporters support him to “fuck the liberals” they don’t care that trailer trash will get fucked harder under trump

    BaldManGoomba ,

    Firstly, foreign nations interfering with our country wants chaos. Trump is chaos but they will latch onto anything to sew discord and craziness.

    Second the Republicans don’t care they are voting for Trump period or against democrats period there is little to change their mind. Conservatives don’t have to do something to win they have to hold every one and anything back.

    Thirdly, the left is critical thinkers who are trying for better so there is always dissent or people criticizing/arguing the best way to do a thing causing lots of bad will. Doesn’t help we don’t have a left party and have a middle party always trying to court to the right.

    Lastly, there is tons of could been better should have done better. Democrats and DnC sucks. They have a bunch of old fogeys holding onto power and their donors want people who won’t change things to much. Doesn’t help the corpos where use to having zero lights shined on them under Trump and they can do whatever. Where as even if most of it was toothless Biden actually did a little bit and said a few things that upset the corps

    Lost_My_Mind ,

    Ok everybody. New plan. Everybody vote for me. Here’s my platform. Fuck EVERYBODY!!! Equally. No racism. No discrimination. You ALL get a middle finger to the face. In fact, fuck the donkey, fuck the elephant, my party emblem is a big middle finger. The fucking party. Don’t you want to join the fucking party? I know you want to join the fucking party. You know how hitler had the hitler salute? Well we have giving people the finger. Thats our partys gesture. In fact, do two middle fingers! Double up, mother fuckers!

    And my campaign promise? I will fuck up this country at a slower rate than these two old geezers. Actually, first day in office, my first official act as president will be to give both of them the finger.

    My second act will be bacon. Just…just bacon.

    DebatableRaccoon , (edited )

    You’ve got my vote. I’m not American but you can rule over my country and give our band of useless cretins the finger too.

    lord_ryvan ,

    Man, I need me a US passport just to vote for you

    Willy ,

    that’s not how anything works.

    lord_ryvan ,

    Ah, no voting for them, then

    Donjuanme ,

    Those are virtues to his voting base, if he can get away without accountability for all that, think of how much he can fuck over the people he claims to not like (ignore that your face is just as edible to the Chester Cheato)

    xmunk ,

    Because Trump won’t listen. He’s a narcissistic asshole and doesn’t give a shit as long he has money and power.

    People are calling on Biden to step down because Biden isn’t a huge fucking asshole.

    ohlaph ,

    They are always projecting, covering, and making you look away. Most of us are saying trumpet should drop out, but his cult followers are being told what to believe by their “news” stations. Really, both should have dropped out before 2016, but here we are, with two geriatrics hoping for the best.

    Phenomephrene ,
    @Phenomephrene@thebrainbin.org avatar

    Trump's specific faults are irrelevant to the calculation insofar as they are profound, and they are legion. Anyone who doesn't understand that he should never hold the reigns of power is damn near irredeemably ignorant/hopelessly deluded. Ideally he would keel over and land in a trash compactor.

    The 2 year age gap between the two is hardly the point. If that's what you think those calling for Biden to step aside are focusing on you're not understanding what the issue actually is.

    I can only speak for myself. The reason I think Biden should drop out is because I. DON'T. THINK. HE. CAN. WIN. If we need to discuss whether Biden's downfall is fair, unfounded because of x, y, or z, the product of unscrupulous conjecture, etc., etc., ok. Ultimately it hardly matters if in the end the remaining conclusion is still that I. DON'T. THINK. HE. CAN. WIN. Biden is infinitely more desirable than Trump, but if he can't pull off a victory it's more important to remedy that than barrel forward into calamity because "I thought it was clear he was going to be the nominee".

    Genuinely, I don't know that I could take another Trump term, let alone the prospect of this looming fascism taking root. I would rather roll the dice than play a hand that I absolutely believe will lose.

    We can disagree on this. This is a complex situation, and the stakes are high. I'm not going to pretend that I can see into the future. Whatever happens I'm hoping for the best.

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