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why isn't anyone calling for Trump to drop out.

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

Doxatek ,

One thing I never understand is that all I ever hear about from Republicans is how old Biden is. While being true and not that I necessarily like Biden no one ever talks about how Trump is only three years younger. Biden has to answer for his age all the time but it’s not a thing Trump typically deals with

Grayox ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Because tRump doesnt stutter and plays golf like its his religion, which keeps him in decent shap for an old man, and now that he is on ozempic he is finally slimming down and looking healthy for the first time in 50 years.

SuddenDownpour ,

On top of that, it’s an issue that will easily change the leanings of a lot of low-information voters. Republicans know that the 2025 agenda isn’t popular with moderates, and while most of Biden’s policies have been short-reaching, they’re generally considered a positive (save for Gaza), so they attack at the very obvious and glaring weak point that isn’t actually policy-related.

Doomsider ,

Keeps him in decent shape!? Thanks for the laugh!

TurtleJoe ,
@TurtleJoe@lemmy.world avatar

Because if Biden can’t finish his term, a black woman will be president.

prunerye ,

The age isn’t itself the problem. Cognitive decline is the problem. Biden is in rapid decline; Trump is still a ways off.

scutiger ,

Trump has been rambling incoherently for years. Nothing he says makes any sense but he speaks confidently enough that the uneducated masses can’t even tell it’s nonsense.

Dasus ,
@Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah.

This is from 2018 and not even his worst ones

youtu.be/1ZAPwfrtAFY?si=7oMM2yRvyynrZm5c&t=192

ZILtoid1991 ,

Different standards. Conservatives did this since the fall of kings, and doing this while want to reinstate them.

If the opponent messes up, they’re incompetent. If they themselves, it’s either someone else’s problem, just part of being human, or try to cover it up with the media until everyone forgets it.

Cornpop ,

Because we know he won’t. It’s pointless. They both need to just fucking die.

corsicanguppy ,

“Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.”

SuddenDownpour ,

I actually disagree with this sentiment.

There’s clearly a split in the Democratic Party regarding the candidates and leanings of the old guard, vs a very large portion of their voter base that wants structural reforms in the country (universal public healthcare VS increased access to insurance, for instance), and I bet a large portion of the latter feel whipped into having to vote for a lesser evil rather than for a political project they actually have passion for.

Meanwhile, Trump was an outsider of the Republican party who managed to get their voters in love with him, to the point that he managed to hijack the party and leave it ripe open for a transformation from neoconservative to proto-fascist, despite the Republican old guard initially being hostile towards him.

The Republican party has managed to stay competitive, despite their political goals being less popular overall in the US than the Dems’, precisely because they allowed themselves to mutate and stay responsive to the changes in the electorate, the obvious tragedy being that democratic institutions (mostly referring to both political parties) have been far more willing to incorporate far right nutjobs who want to end democracy than they have for left-wing populism that wants to make housing affordable.

TurtleJoe ,
@TurtleJoe@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know if you don’t realize it, but you just agreed with the pithy quote.

SuddenDownpour ,

My point is that plenty of high-information Democrat voters ultimately fall in line, but the party fails to reach further beyond, while Republicans don’t actually have to “fall in line”, because they like what they’re voting for. Is this not the opposite of the quote?

BigPotato ,

It depends who the Republicans and Democrats are. Republican Voters fell in love - Establishment Republicans fell in line. Republican Officials all talked about how terrible Trump was and would be but still get on their knees when it’s time.

Democratic Voters fall in love, with Bernie and AOC and their guy. Establishment Democrats tell them to get in line… Well, the Voters either do or don’t show up.

So, you’re correct that the original subversion was true but it also depends on who any individual commenter references as “The Dems” and “The Repubs” which you can always shift to suit your needs.

The Republican party pretends they’re wagging the dog but they don’t even have a leash.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Since I’ve been able to vote, I’ve heard this. But the people in charge of the Democratic Party never seem to want to get people to fall in line. They’re content to be the default alternative to a party that demands rigid adherence.

Facebones ,

Democrats spend all their time telling anybody left of the mid right DNC establishment to eat shit except for the lap they take during election years to blame all their woes on those same leftists.

hark ,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

Nobody fell in love with biden in 2020. He was crowned the nominee because they told everyone that somehow out of all candidates he was the best chance against trump and democrats fell in line, just like they did in 2016 for hillary.

Ensign_Crab ,

Republicans love Trump, and Democrats keep ordering their voters to fall in line.

duderium2 ,

I mean, both trump and biden are genocidal lunatics so they should both be in prison, along with anyone who excuses them.

airportline ,
@airportline@lemmy.ml avatar

The Philadelphia Inquirer has. The problem is that Donald Trump and his supporters don’t care what the editorial boards of the Philadelphia Inquirer, the New York Times, or the Washington Post have to say about him.

FrostKing ,

How do I blacklist the word Trump so that I don’t see posts like this in my feed?

Illuminostro ,

Because the stupid and hateful bigots love him, he’s a useful idiot to billionaires and CEOs, and he’s stupidly easy to manipulate, like any malignant narcissist. All you have to do is compliment him.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Because you have to beat trump since the democrats are cowards and can’t even lock up someone for inciting a rebellion.

bloodfart ,

The people calling for Biden to drop out are supporters of his party, the democrats, who recognize that he’s unfit and incapable of winning. They want him to be replaced by someone else to increase their party’s chances of victory.

No one is calling for trump to drop out because he’s looking more fit in comparison to Biden and he’s projected to win. No one would call for a candidate to drop out when they’re in the lead if they support that candidates party.

Criminal allegations, true or false, don’t enter into it because America has a two tiered justice system where the wealthy and powerful are less beholden to the law than the rest of us and because presidency requires the violation of myriad international laws, norms and human rights.

The job title might as well be War Criminal in Chief and none of the allegations leveled at trump are disqualifying.

atrielienz ,

I don’t actually think that statement is true. Polls are notoriously wrong all the time, and the members of the Democratic Party requesting he drop out are doing so because they’re afraid to say otherwise. I’ll give you an example. Members of the Republican party notably were very critical of Trump until they realised that to continue in the political sphere they were going to have to get along to get along when it became clear he was the front runner.

The members of the DNC who are asking for Biden to step down are doing so even though they know that no other possible candidate is likely to win. They did the same with Bernie Sanders in 2016. They aren’t worried that he’ll lose the popular vote. They’re worried he’ll lose Electoral College votes because some of them are apparently still on the fence. If they wanted to put forth another candidate they would have already. Who have they put forward to put on the ticket? No one. Because they don’t have anyone else either. For them it’s a no win situation and they’re scared so they’re trying to cover their own asses.

bloodfart ,

I actually agree with your last sentence. it’s a no-win situation for the democrats and there’s a seemingly growing contingent that thinks the best loss they can take is one where a new candidate or set of candidates are introduced to the electorate.

polls are wrong all the time, you’re right. what does it look like if against all odds, biden wins? the man has shown himself to be incapable of cognitive function. should voters fall back on trusting his cabinet and handlers “our competent administrators, their unelected sycophants” style?

hes facing significant opposition from the other branches of government and even at the end of his life when faced with a supreme court ruling that gives him the legal go ahead to enact his administrations policies he won’t do it.

that’s not looking like a great second term. if he lives through it then they’re the do-nothing democrats who can’t accomplish their agenda and abandon their constituents, if he dies then they’ve got kamala who would be very funny but is incredibly disliked.

the democrats are between a rock and a hard place right now because they ran on trump being a dictatorial fascist who will crown himself god-king and now that hes going to win they’re at fault for cynically using the threat of fascism to get votes instead of building the kind of base to oppose fascism that one and a quarter centuries of history would dictate or being the boy who cried wolf if it turns out there’s a peaceful transition of power in 2028.

basically there’s no way forward with their current messaging and platform because when trump wins and institutes american fascism (it’s already here, but i’m typing from the perspective of democratic strategists) they’re naive buffons who pissed away their time and resources trying to get people to vote for an inadequate candidate on a shuffling the deck chairs platform and when trump doesn’t send the brownshirts into the streets and has a largely uneventful second term theyre the people who pissed away their time and resources on a candidate and platform which aren’t up to the challenges we face because of orange man bad.

they’re done for and the best possible outcome is an uneventful trump presidency with a smooth handover complete with “restored faith in our electoral process”. in that case it’s best to go ahead and start getting their benchwarmers out on the field to find out whos up to the task in 2026 and 2028.

NarrativeBear , (edited )

If he had any decency or moral, Trump should have stepped down himself.

Also, kindly remind everyone with a vagina and everyone who cares about someone with one: This year’s presidential election is about abortion access. Roe vs Wade was repealed by extremist MAGA judges appointed by Trump.

Yawweee877h444 ,

If he had any decency or moral,

Trump

Lolwut

WoahWoah ,

Because Trump is winning in the polls handily and has robust support from his base.

Biden is the opposite: he’s losing in the polls, his disapproval numbers are the highest in the history of modern polling, and many of the people that will vote for him will do it only because they have to.

GladiusB ,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Trump supporters have to as well but for different reasons. If they don’t drink the Kool-aid and play along socially they are ostracized. Which doesn’t help anyone.

hellisfulloftacos ,

As a non American, Trump winning the election makes sesne. But in general, WTF is going on in America?!

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

capitalism just progressing to it’s natural end stage.

Also…

First Past The post voting artificially limits the number of political parties to two. This allows the legacy political parties to run incredibly weak candidates since there is no competition in the electoral system.

With a more representative voting system (much like Ranked Choice voting) people would be free to vote for the person that best represents them, while still counting their vote if that candidate doesn’t win.

Kedly , (edited )

"First Past The post voting artificially limits the number of political parties to two. "

Kiiiind of, Canada has fptp as well and we have about 4.5ish competitive parties, Liberal Party, Conservative Party, NDP (“socialist” party), Bloc Quebecois (Quebec focussed party [used to be a sepratist party, but has evolved to just focus on getting more favourable policies for Quebec since separating has fallen out of favour in Quebec), and the .5 would be the Green Party. So we can vote against the main 2 without wasting our votes/effectively voting for the party we hate more. BUT the reason I said kinda is notice I said Main 2. NDP has won opposition a few times (2nd most voted for party nationally), but Only 2 parties have ever been the most voted for in an election, the Liberals and the Conservatives. (Bloc Quebecois has won the provincial government multiple times in Quebec, but obviously has never been a contender for national government)

(Green is .5 because most people know about them, but to my knowledge they have never won even a provincial government, which the other 4 all have multiple times)

Edit: Guess theres a bunch of Americans pissed that they cant blame how fucked their political system is just on FPTP

Olgratin_Magmatoe , (edited )

two-party system, political system in which the electorate gives its votes largely to only two major parties and in which one or the other party can win a majority in the legislature.

Canada is a two party system, because they fit the definition, the majority of the legislature is controlled by the main two parties:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada

Of the 338 seats, 81% of them are held by either the conservative or liberal party. The other parties have no shot of winning a majority, or taking away any significant number of seats from the big two parties.

Kedly , (edited )

Once again, NDP has won Opposition before (which to those unfamiliar, means that it held more legislative power than all other parties aside from the one that won the election). It is a viable 3rd option and likely would have won the national election roughly a decade ago if Jack Layton hadnt died of cancer during his run.

And because of how our legislature works, if the winning party wins by a minority (Less than 50% of legislative seats), the NDP can team up with the opposition to outpower the party that won and use that to attempt to get legislation that it wants pushed through as a compromise.

TL:DR your last paragraph is false and only serves to entrench the 2 most powerful parties. Canadian 3rd parties are VASTLY more viable than American ones

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

Once again, NDP has won Opposition before

And the U.S. had the federalist party which once held power. An extra party being previously viable in the past has little to do with whether or not a legislature is controlled by 1 of 2 parties.

And because of how our legislature works, if the winning party wins by a minority (Less than 50% of legislative seats), the NDP can team up with the opposition to outpower the party that won and use that to attempt to get legislation that it wants pushed through as a compromise.

“X party can team up with y” also doesn’t negate the definition of a two party system. Cooperation or not, the conservatives and liberals control the overwhelming majority of the seats.

your last paragraph is false and only serves to entrench the 2 most powerful parties.

I’ll be honest, I’m not Canadian and rarely speak about Canadian politics. So in no way am I entrenching the two most powerful parties.

And my last paragraph isn’t false. There are 338 seats in your house of Commons, and 81% of them are held by the two dominant parties. That is objectively true. The final sentence is a subjective one.

Sure, 3rd parties in Canada fair considerably better than they do in the U.S., but it seems pretty clear that they have no shot of getting a majority.

So with all of these things together, Canada is a two party system as well, largely due to the use of FPTP voting. We need more representative systems like approval and star voting.

Kedly ,

Ah ok, you have zero idea what you are talking about and are projecting American politics onto Canada. Canada has FPTP and Canada is not in anyway a 2 party country. The NDP and Bloc Quebecois have both had a very strong influence on our political landscape and just because our CURRENT government gives souch power to our two most powerful parties doesnt in anyway mean that the NDP gaining significant amount of power is an anomaly, as it has done so many times in the past

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

Tell me, how many times have the 3rd parties had a majority in the house of commons?

Kedly ,

Dude. Politics isnt all or nothing. Quebec gets far better treatment than the rest of the provinces because it has a national party that ONLY looks out for Quebecs interests, and once again, we have minority governments quite a bit of the time here in Canada, where the winning party HAS to play ball with the other parties because it doesnt control over 50% of the votes. The last Conservative government we had had to go to the lengths of shutting down the government ENTIRELY for a few weeks to avoid the NDP and Liberals from teaming up to get legislation passed without the conservatives. FPTP sucks, but our government has at least 3 valid parties to vote for any election season, 4 if you live in Quebec. You arent effectively voting for the party you hate more by voting for the party you actually want here, and again, all the NDP needs is to find a leader that had the charisma Jack Layton had and they’ll be a contender for actually winning a national election again. Even without that though they frequently win Provincial Elections and thus are the ones driving policy in those provinces

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

Dude. Politics isnt all or nothing.

I’m aware, but it doesn’t have to for my point to stand. 3rd parties lacking the ability to get majority power means it is a two party system.

The answer to my question was zero.

Taohumor ,

I’d run but no one will vote for someone with no criminal record and refuses to lie.

Colour_me_triggered ,

As a non American, trump winning will destabilise things in Europe way more than it will in America. The cunt’s said Russia can do what they want with NATO member states. It means all aid to Ukraine stops and Ukraine will lose because Putin has an endless supply of meat to take it if Ukraine can’t find the artillery shells. Russia will turn Ukraine’s now highly trained, well equipped, and battle hardened army against Poland. Major bloodbath! After enough primary school children have died on the frontline the Baltic states will be next, followed by Scandinavia.

Sure Europe will eventually stop them but at a massive cost. And that’s only if China doesn’t openly arm Russia or send troops. The only way to avoid it is if the US and Europe remain tight.

Adderbox76 ,

That’s being an alarmist to the point of absurdity.

Trump can say a lot of things. He can say he’ll leave NATO. He can say he’ll stop sending aid to Ukraine.

He can say whatever he wants, and I have no doubt the idiot actually believes it. After all, he said he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. He Said he was going to deport all DACA child. Hell, if I remember correctly, he said during the last campaign that he was going to leave NATO as well unless they fucking paid him, like it’s some sort of protection racket.

Despite the recent SC ruling, and despite four years of failing to actually do anything he said he could do, he still believes he’s a god-king. But with the exception of a presidential decree, which can be blocked by congress; nothing he’s fucking babbling about can just “be done” on his word. It has to pass Congress and the Senate, which will, despite the eventual winner of the presidency, remain close enough in seats for cooler heads to stop his bullshit. There are enough republicans, even in a Trump administration, that would never dream of fucking up that much.

The point is, Trump is a fucking idiot. And while the supreme court has made him effectively immune to criminal prosecution, his ability to do almost anything without eventually bumping up against the actual adults in the room is still pretty limited.

If he actually had the power to do what he says he can, he would have done it in his first term. But even in a party of of racists and MAGA, there are enough adults to keep him distracted with colouring books.

Colour_me_triggered ,

The heritage Foundation has been putting the right people in the right places for a long fucking time. Trump is only a foot in the door. The fundamentalists and far right will probably whack him themselves once he’s elected. They are using his stupidity and cult following to gain power. If you don’t resist, it’s going to be a handmade’s tale type dystopia for you and a return to pan continental war for us.

I don’t envy your position tbh.

kent_eh , (edited )

The point is, Trump is a fucking idiot. And while the supreme court has made him effectively immune to criminal prosecution, his ability to do almost anything without eventually bumping up against the actual adults in the room is still pretty limited.

The problem is that Trump (if elected) gets to appoint a bunch of yes-man lackeys to all the cabinet positions, meaning that there are fewer of those adults in the room to stop him from doing stupid shit.

CableMonster ,

If you are actually wondering; because most of the things you listed are exaggerations, false or not proven. They like trump because he is funny and actually goes against the people they dont like.

The main reason the common man should like him is because most of the people in power hate him and will do anything to stop him from getting elected. Unless you are super aligned with the elites agenda.

gh0stcassette ,
@gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Damn, trumpoids made it to lemmy? How? Shouldn’t you be spending time with your grandchildren or getting your brain melted by AI slop on facebook or something 💀

PythagreousTitties ,

Holy brain washing, Batman!
You cannot be serious.

CableMonster ,

If an NPC in a game you were playing insulted you, how would you feel?

PythagreousTitties ,

I don’t know. You haven’t insulted me.

CableMonster ,

Just realize however you feel that is how people like me feel when you do middle school insults.

PythagreousTitties ,

Well, then don’t act like you’re in middle school.

Illuminostro ,

This is the most delusional, or the most blatantly evil propaganda, I’ve seen all year.

Fuck Putin.

CableMonster ,

Or its totally true and you guys just are believing the lies. Remember how they were telling us that Biden was perfectly fine and had no real health issues?

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Trump doesn’t care about you just as much as biden doesn’t care about us.

CableMonster ,

Thats fair, but I dont really care about how much they care.

prunerye ,

First of all, thanks for being on Lemmy. I get nothing out of it when the lefty hivemind argues against a strawman. At least you give us the real thing. Fuck gh0stcassette.

Second of all, Trump only campaigned on a populist platform in 2016. He railed against CEOs, various special interests, and other “swamp creatures” under the premise that he was going to fund his own campaign and didn’t need their money. It was honestly kind of refreshing, even if he was ultimately full of shit and failed to deliver. But I haven’t heard Trump’s 2016 rhetoric in a long time. Not regarding the ruling class. Maybe he still says “drain the swamp” now and then, but many of those who opposed Trump in 2016, e.g. Wall Street, now largely support him, and Trump openly panders to them for their donations. It’s not that people in power hate him; it’s just the people you don’t like in power who hate him.

Vote third party if you hate the elites.

CableMonster ,

Yeah, lemmy kind of sucks if you dont just repeat the lines you are supposed to. I am not a trump voter, the closest thing would be libertarian, but I dont like their candidate either. I dont think trump was particularly good president, but all the rest have been so bad its not a high bar to be better than Biden and Bush. I just mainly get annoyed that 80% of the things that get said are just lies or misleading, and if you point that out people freak the fuck out.

blazeknave ,

Because it’s the 2024 “but her emails”

Mio , (edited )

I am actually surprised that USA can’t find any better candidates. Unless it have anything to do with money/power… IMO the candidates should not matter, just follow the party line, but the president have more power than that.

Doom ,

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