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why isn't anyone calling for Trump to drop out.

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

YeetPics ,

On Lemmy you’ll find a lot of blind (and some not so blind) hatred for all things US.

Accelerationists want the worst case scenario for their worst imagined enemy, and voila.

MerrySkeptic ,

The truth is that Trump has done more for conservative causes than any president prior. He installed the far right justices that have toppled Roe v Wade and affirmative action. He enacted things like the Muslim travel bans. In short, either they know he’s a scumbag and don’t care because he gets results, or they don’t believe their own lyin’ eyes because look at the results he produces. It’s all about the bottom line, and the ends justify the means.

kinther ,
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I said the same thing the other day. They don’t care. They just want results. It could be a ham sandwich that is starting to mold, and if the ham sandwich got the same results, there would be morons out there wearing ham sandwich hats.

thejoker954 ,

Moldy ham sandwich '24

Has a nice ring to it.

skulkingaround ,

For the voters, they really don’t believe it. I have conservative family members. Everything is always “Oh that’s just bullshit cooked up by the crooked Biden crime family” “Oh he didn’t mean the words he said very clearly, what he really meant was blah blah blah” followed ten seconds later by “I like him because he tells it like it is”

I just don’t get it. What makes this guy seemingly have a force field that can make people deny their own eyes and ears? Ignoring morals here, just thinking with those patterns would give me a cognitive dissonance aneurysm.

Illuminostro ,

Because they hate who he hates. It’s that simple.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

Closeted socialist here. I work in an extremely remote 24/7 process industry. They play Newsmax on the TVs in the chow hall and the only time they don’t is when they are replacing tvs. EVERYONE here is a degree of an alt righter. Some were at J6. Some have “Alex Jones was right” on their thermos’. I honestly believe some would kill me if I said I’ve read Marx. Not a single one of them could accurately define a political, economic, or social system without distracting with tropes, jingoistic rhetoric, or whataboutisms. Academic education is brainwashing. Christianity is a brand-name but you don’t have to read the Bible to be a christian. I made the mistake of expressing my disappointment of Trump because of what he has said about veterans. I was mocked for believing propaganda and over time I have become known as “the liberal”. That was all it took.

It’s frustrating, and I daily struggle with unchecked bigotry. But most people here do not wake up and choose to be racist or evil. They are doing what their wildly misled moral compass is telling them to be righteous. In their eyes, the pandering of the media that we see is absolute and total corruption to them. The media does lie, they have lied. Most of them couch it In ignorance and a whispered redaction, but that’s all it took. If they can lie about anything, then they must be lying about the unflattering things. There’s a bit of head-in-the-sand and delusion, but in their eyes the rape, the lawsuits, the theft from taxpayers, all of it is exactly what they would say if they were trying to make him look bad. That’s enough for them.

I honestly don’t blame them. They have fallen for grifts, lies, and propaganda that goes back at least 200 years.

arefx ,

at the end of the day they are idiots who fell for a grift as old as time.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

I think this type of thinking is just as toxic as the thinking of the ones you so quickly call “idiots”. Not only do you fail to affect the situation in any positive way, but you harden the commitment of those that fell for the grift. Furthermore, you’re blatantly wrong. I’m sure there are things you are ignorant about. I’m positive I could find things that you think that I could demonstrate to be wildly inaccurate (mostly because I work in a very niche field that very few people do). None of them would make you an idiot. It’s okay to not know something. I’m not saying you should pander to anyone, but patience is a balm. Have some.

TokenBoomer ,

I feel ya. I didn’t talk to my mom for 2 months after she voted for Trump. This, after 4 years of me detailing his actions. Then I realized that it’s not their fault. They were never given the tools to navigate politics with education. The media lies to them. And their social circles repeat these lies. I was once just like them.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

No doubt. Every friend I have is a trumper, but my best friend believes in the cabal. It’s tough and it’s heartbreaking. But I decided I’m just going to be an example of tolerance if nothing else.

Doomsider , (edited )

Ah yes, tolerate their intolerance. Sounds like resignation to me.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure it would.

Doomsider ,

For sure, because I know exactly what you mean because I have already lived it.

arefx ,

Well, I don’t agree with you lol.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

Seems I found the first thing you’re ignorant about. Perspective.

arefx ,

No, you’re just making a generalization of me based off one opinion I have that you disagree with.

TokenBoomer ,

Critical Support for ZMonster. I also have to suffer ignorance with MAGA friends and family. Stay safe.

ZMonster ,
@ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

🙏 Good on you. Thanks and same to you. Luckily I used to be petulant and conservative so I can fit in when I need to. And my income is used by my partner to raise a child surrounded by love, understanding, and encouragement. So I feel like I’m filtering a portion of capitalism into raising a little communist. 🤣 It’s enough to keep me gritting through the xenophobia. 😬

TokenBoomer ,

We saw fireworks last night, and my daughter mentioned, “Is that why your property taxes are so high?” I laughed. Raising class conscious kids is fun . 🤩

Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

I used to work at a place where an entire department was like that. They’d always have Jordan Peterson’s latest talk/show/podcast on in the background, MAGA merch, etc. They’d always have the facial expression of an inmate mugshot. And they’d always be super short with people. One of them made a point of saying the N word as much as they could.

Any time I had to interact with them I’d dread it. I can only imagine how terribly it would have gone if I had dared say anything political in earshot of them.

kandoh ,

If a democrat fucks up, that’s big news because they’re supposed to have their shit together and act in the best interest of all of us.

If a republican fucks up, that’s expected. Any articles about that are like ‘water is wet’. It’s not informative because we all know, even the conservatives who vote for them, that they’re in it for themselves and are out to get everyone else.

Objection ,

Because suggesting your enemy do things is meaningless.

psycho_driver ,

The American people called for him to dropout in 2020. He didn’t listen.

statist43 ,

I didnt hear this. Maybe because I was too far away in europe, but it didnt seem, that the US had enough of this pussygrabber

FattestMattest ,

More than half of us have had enough. I’m not sure what’s wrong about the others…

Yearly1845 ,

He lost the election. Twice, actually. He’s never won the popular vote. He was only the president because of a broken system.

statist43 ,

It just doesn’t really sound like "people called him to drop out, if almoat 50% of a country vote directly for him

irreticent ,
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Correction: 33% of the eligible voters.

66% of eligible voters voted in the 2020 election. Almost half of those voted for Trump. That’s 33% of eligible American voters.

Also, not all Americans are eligible to vote: felons in certain States, non-registered adults, children, etc.

I may just be being pedantic but it annoys me when I see people claim that half of America supports Trump/fascism when it’s just not true. The number is probably closer to 28% of Americans.

statist43 ,

Yeah thats right, I didnt know the hard numbers thats on me.

But you need to really overthink you government system over there, because the guy 30% of you want destroys alot more than the trust in the US system.

PythagreousTitties ,

Cool story.

istanbullu ,

The forecasts are showing that Trump is ahead and his lead increasing since the debate.

The democratic party is in a panic mode, trying to salvage the situation. That is why they are asking Biden to drop.

Oh also Biden is enabling mass murder and genocide.

Sam_Bass ,

What good would it do? His “fanbase” would drown out all such requests

Ibaudia ,
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Because Trump is very deeply popular with a huge voter block. Going against him means he’ll just point those people at you and say “this guy’s bad, also probably a pedophile or some shit idk” and then your career is over.

Sam_Bass ,

And he knows what a pedo is, having lived it for much of his adult life

Psycoder ,

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem

Biden was old in 2020 and that was a problem back then. In 2024, Biden is senile and that is a problem now. He failed to make coherent sentences 10+ times in a 90 minutes long debate.

At this point I do not ask Biden to drop because I like Trump. I hate Trump. I ask Biden to drop because I’m confident he can’t beat Trump. Yesterday, someone leaked the poll numbers from DNC. Before the debate Biden was leading Trump by one point. After the debate Biden is trailing behind Trump by 8 points. If things move forward as they are, then Trump will be the only Republican candidate to win popular vote in the last 2-3 decades.

EnderMB ,

The problem the Republican party seems to have right now is that it’s caught in a bizarre cult of personality, where the only viable candidate is Donald Trump. Eight years have been dedicated to a man that likely won’t be around for another eight due to his age and lifestyle. Donald Trump can’t drop out, because to many he IS the Republican Party.

Put succinctly, if Trump were to drop out, could you realistically see him backing another candidate, without making it about himself?

In some ways it’s petrifying that Trump could win. In another, it’s hilarious to think that IF Trump were to lose, how would the Republicans recover in four years? Trump will never not make it about himself, and I bet he’ll put himself on the ballot for as long as he can, further eroding the right.

Red_October ,

Most of the people who think Trump should drop out have been loudly opposing him for a long time. There isn’t just one single thing they object to, no great unifying theme they can point at and say “This is why he should not run,” because Everything about him is a reason why he should absolutely not be president. Even his Felony conviction is, while perhaps more than a drop, just a splash in the bucket of what should be utterly career ending circumstances.

The people who still support Trump don’t care about any of that. They’re not going to suddenly see one particular turn-off and decide that’s it, that’s why Trump should back out. They’re committed, in too deep, they can’t back down now because it would mean the Libs were actually right all along, and that presents, to them, an existential threat. And in the end, it’s the Republican way.

When Democrats, even popular ones, fuck up, other Democrats are much more likely to turn on them, to call for and get resignations. With Republicans, that’s almost unheard of. Republicans take Part Unity to an extreme, circling the wagons and assuming a full defensive position no matter how incredibly abhorrent the crime, no matter how blatant the evidence. Today we’re seeing the perfect example. Biden fucked up a debate, stumbling over his own words like an old man well past his prime, and the party is calling for him to step down. Trump has built his whole political career on stumbling over his own words, with the only cogent statements he manages being blatant lies, and his people would rather murder their neighbors than see him lose.

Psycoder , (edited )

As much as I agree with everything you say, there is one more thing that needs to be said.

I started watching the debate fully aware of the fact that Trump was a POS. Trump was a POS in 2016, 2020, and 2024. On the other hand, I started watching the debate hoping to see president Biden could make Trump look even dumber. What I got was a very clearly senile guy that failed to make coherent sentences 10+ times in a 90 minute debate.

Trump was who he has always been during the debate. Biden was senile during the debate. At this point I’m not asking Biden to drop because I like Trump. That is wrong. I hate Trump. I’m asking Biden to drop because I know he won’t be able to beat Trump. On the other hand, he might have no problem beating medicare.

InternetUser2012 ,

I love when trolls post bullshit like this, it just fires up the democratic voters. Biden will win with more votes than the last time he beat that 34 time convicted felon, rapist, loser.

prunerye ,

Anyone who disagrees with you isn’t a troll. Biden looked how he looked, and moderates/independents don’t have the same appetite for copium as you do.

InternetUser2012 ,

Sounds like something a troll would say. Your post history is also matching what a troll/bot is. I agree 100% that just because someone disagrees with me they aren’t necessarily a bot, BUT, there’s a fuckton of bots/trolls out there now to do what they did in 2016.

Psycoder ,

Ok, go ahead with Biden. I decided to take a break from politics. I’ll be sitting out this election.

Enjoy.

irreticent ,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2d80f74f-ccc7-4ed6-9f21-f17ea7ba609c.jpeg

Psycoder ,

You are absolutely right. I’m a Russian bot.

Lightor ,

I mean, if anything your lending more credibility to Trump if Biden stays in, kinda playing the “both sides” game. Especially saying things like “I know he won’t be about to beat Trump”, basically telling people it’s pointless to vote for Biden.

EldritchFeminity ,

Interesting way of saying “my human rights aren’t up for debate every 4 years.”

InternetUser2012 ,

Lol, your account is six days old, nothing but troll posts. Bro, if you’re not a bot, you’re clearly not American, so you can just stfu K? Ty, go slob that putin knob boy.

teft ,
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Oh look another super new account posting doom and gloom anti biden stuff. So weird.

InternetUser2012 ,

On anything political, it’s about as bad as reddit. Possibly worse, I haven’t been on reddit for almost a year.

Psycoder ,

Ok, go ahead with Biden. I decided to take a break from politics. I’ll be sitting out this election.

Enjoy.

KillerTofu ,

Thanks for enabling the facism!

Garbanzo ,

No one is asking him to drop out because they aren’t afraid he’s going to lose. Simple as that.

Everyone with their panties in a twist right now could have done something about it during the primaries, but apparently protest votes about Israeli atrocities were the priority.

explodicle ,

I did vote against him in the primary so I reserve the right to have my panties in a twist. My protest vote was for another candidate.

JimSamtanko ,

Because lemmy is predominantly far left and the far left has a hate boner for Biden and Biden alone. They seem to be completely fine knowing that if Biden doesn’t win, Trump will do FAR worse.

It’s completely fine by them though.

Why? You’ll have to ask them, but be careful, if you do it in the wrong community- you’ll get banned. So stay out of .ml, and the lunatics that mod there.

14th_cylon ,

because what democrats consider bug, republicans consider feature.

stop with this whataboutism. trump being piece of shit doesn’t make biden good.

sin_free_for_00_days ,

The illegitimate SCOTUS failed to rule on his 14th Amendment disqualification because they don’t care about The Constitution. The fact that he is even a candidate shows how many republicans wipe their asses with the document.

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