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why isn't anyone calling for Trump to drop out.

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

Glide , (edited )

Because people think Biden may actually do it. No one is stupid enough to believe Trump would put aside his ego long enough to consider the problems created by his extreme age.

prunerye ,

People think Biden may actually do it? I hope I’m wrong, but I think that’s pure fantasy. One ego is definitely bigger than the other, but you don’t become President by being a good person.

prunerye ,

I was so, so very wrong. And I’m quite happy about it.

menemen ,
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

Because he’d never do it anyway.

xenoclast ,

Because everyone in America who has fuck you money (everyone, even that one rich person you like who says shit about Trump) benefit if Trump gets elected.

Every news network owner, every sports star selling sneakers, every rock star who flys a private jet, every CEO that benefits from slave labor, every single parasite in the country. They all win huge if he gets elected.

Republicans are dismantling every roadblock to them having even more money.

People talk a big game but in the end we’re all greedy selfish short sighted fucks.

Not that the Democrats don’t fuck people over… but they’ll at least buy us dinner and maybe use some lube.

Twelve20two ,

Don’t lump me in with greedy, selfish, short sighted fucks

xenoclast ,

I mean… I hate to say but I’m in there too. All the horror and trauma in the world makes me more that way every day

Twelve20two ,

Stay strong, mate. When disaster strikes, look for the people trying to help. There is good

Paragone ,

1 is narcissism/cult-of-personality,

the other is cult-of-institution/inertia.

They are not identical, and not even functionally-equivalent.

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OutsizedWalrus ,

The only people I see calling for Biden to drop out are the media news companies.

It’s basically a fake controversy. They benefit massively from stirring the pot so people tune in to “see what’s going to happen”.

Reality is if Biden were going to drop out, he’d already have done it.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Depends on what social circles and social media circles you roll in. I know of a LOT of people who wish he wasn’t the nominee.

alekwithak ,

It takes years to plan a presidential run and the incumbent has a huge advantage. It’s infeasible to change the candidate now and would 100% split an already very polarized party. It’s a fake media controversy and the media companies are the ones causing people to feel that way by editing footage to make Biden look bad, attacking Biden’s stutter or slip up instead of Trump’s lies and gaslighting. The media is controlled by the rich and complicit in treason, but the rich never get their dues and the right is never held accountable.

whoreticulture ,

They should run a very popular vice president, and announce him immediately. Biden is obviously not going to step down, but someone competent needs to be on the campaign.

Rakonat ,

This, Biden isn’t going to drop out and most of the people calling for him to resign benefit either directly from him no longer being on the ballot, or indirectly benefit in the chaos and doubt of opportunist in the democratic party jumping on what they perceive as an opportunity to enhance their standing and power within the party and political establishment as a whole.

If one singular data point (a bad debate performance) is enough to make you or anyone else think a person should immediately step aside, you’re exactly the kind of person these attacks and campaigns are directed at: someone easy to sway and scatter. I don’t particularly like Biden or most of what he’s done in the last 2 years specifically, but I also know that splitting off from him or encouraging a third candidate that will split the vote is just going to hand GOP the reigns for the next 4 years and given how they’ve spent the last 8 stomping on rights and democracy, it’ll probably be another 20 years before they lose power short of another revolution or civil war. So weighing those two scenarios, yeah I’m just going to vote Biden, sleepy or dark brandon, doesn’t matter since he can always resign after the election and let Kamala take up POTUS.

zarkanian , (edited )
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

How would replacing Biden split the vote?

HawlSera ,

Never thought about it like that

doggle , (edited )
  1. Most people who want him to drop out were never going to vote for him anyway.
  2. People (perhaps erroneously) perceive a chance of Biden actually doing it. Trump will never drop out as winning the presidency is his only shot at avoiding incarceration. He’ll probably run again in 2028 if he’s still around by then.
  3. Trump isn’t incumbent, meaning the GOP already had a full primary in the past year. They’ve already determined they don’t have a better alternative. Technically the Dems could have nominated someone other than Biden, but it was never a very likely possibility, so people aren’t as familiar with Democratic alternatives.
  4. Republicans either don’t believe any of the criticisms you made of Trump are true, are okay with them, still believe him to be the lesser of two evils, or some combination of these. This is largely due to right-wing propaganda e.g. Fox News, OAN, Info Wars, etc.

I’m no expert, these are just what I perceive to be happening. There’s probably other factors at play as well.

Edit: with the recent supreme court rulings, I’m guessing that he may be able to avoid jail even if he doesn’t win. I still don’t see any chance he’ll drop out.

FiniteBanjo ,

In fact, an incumbent president has never lost a primary in all of US History.

mojofrododojo ,

one of the many unique qualities of the cult 45 orange treason complex

FiniteBanjo ,

…?

Croquette ,

He won his primaries.

He lost for reelection at his second term.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

An incumbent President HAS placed third in a general election, though.

kowcop ,

Doesn’t the US have a two term (total) limit?

BrokenGlepnir ,

The constitution has decreed a two term limit, now let us see it enforce it. Pieces of paper may tell us how power is to be used, but in the end paper is paper, and power is power. A lot of Americans call on the power of the constitution while ignoring what it says.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

SCOTUS ruling that amendments are more like suggestions

doggle ,

Yes, my comment is assuming if Trump loses this year, I’d bet he’ll try for a second term in 2028.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Most people who want him to drop out were never going to vote for him anyway.

Isn’t that sort of the problem? He’s way down in the polls because most people aren’t going to vote for him?

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

“Way down” based on what poll exactly? Both of the candidates are within 2%, certainly within margin of error.

Biden isn’t really any different % wise than a month ago. Trump is up 1% from a month ago. It’s not like it’s 60/40, it’s 42/39.8

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/national/

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

it’s 42/39.8

When less than 40% of the population wants to vote for you, that’s really bad

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

When less than 50% of the population wants to vote for you, it’s obvious you’re a garbage candidate.

Let’s get rid of the garbage candidates. Maybe there’s some adults under the age of 60 who aren’t total shitbags we can nominate.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s get rid of the garbage candidates.

We had a primary for that. Unfortunately, only one serious Dem wanted to participate

Lets_Eat_Grandma ,

Don’t get me started on the DNC and the fact that the voters really don’t have any real choice when it comes to who is elected.

I’ll never forgive them for screwing Bernie and handing the election to Trump by picking Hillary.

kava ,

I think you misunderstand who is asking Biden to drop out and why.

Dems are interested in who is the DNC candidate and Republicans are interested in the GOP candidate.

Republicans as a whole are OK with Trump. He’s not incredibly popular, but he has some achievements under his belt and has a relatively small but very loyal core group of voters. The average Republican believes that a) Trump has good chances of winning election and b) will likely move forward conservative policy objectives.

Therefore, why would they want him to drop out?

If we look on the other side at Biden. A growing group of people believe that he is not 100% mentally there because of his age. Because of this, not only does he a) have lower chances of winning the election but also b) is he really competent enough to be president? Sure, there’s a sort of shadow administration behind him but people still put value in having a strong and mentally quick head of state.

Beyond that, there’s also a small group of progressive voters who are unhappy with Biden’s policies. He simply isn’t a very effective leader and is one of the most unpopular presidents in US history. He’s even more unpopular than Trump, who was also a deeply unpopular president.

So, people want Biden to resign because they believe other people would not only a better chance of winning election, but would be more effective leaders in terms of advancing DNC policy objectives.

timbuck2themoon ,

Except your arguments against Biden easily apply, and more so, against trump. He is absolutely not all there, a mere three years younger, and certainly not competent (and absolutely corrupt on top of that.)

The simple answer is- people expect Republicans to be degenerates. They don’t expect that of Democrats. It’s nothing but a shitty double standard we’ve let dictate politics for decades.

kava ,

You have to look at it from the GOP perspective. Trump is the most popular candidate, he managed to accomplish big ticket items in his administration, and he is more “mentally there” than Biden.

Just look at debate. Trump spoke quickly and confidently. Biden mumbles and forgets what he’s talking about, stands there with mouth open staring, etc.

There’s a reason in 2020 debates, polls showed most people thought Biden won the 2 debates. But in the last one, overwhelming % of people thought Trump won debates- even democratic voters.

timbuck2themoon , (edited )

Trump did not speak confidently.

He ignored the questions, he lied with abandon, and the moderators did nothing about it. Biden couldn’t keep up with the flood of lies to refute it all.

Im quite sure Biden is capable of lying just as quickly and confidently but he is a better person than that. He actually came to debate, not spit in our faces by lying right to us.

kava ,

Speaking confidence has nothing to do with lying or telling the truth. Go back 20 years ago and look at a Biden speech and compare it to today. Hell, go back 4 years ago to the last Biden v Trump debates.

Biden isn’t half the capable public speaker he was before. He mumbles and gets lost. He sounds unsure.

Trump doesn’t care if what he’s saying truth or not, he just says things with the conviction of a conman.

timbuck2themoon ,

Looking at what trump did and remembering his “nuclear” speech people need to gtfo over it and vote Biden.

Jfc

kava ,

We can discuss what people should do all day. I’m talking about what people will do. Biden is losing this election. People are talking more about whether he is even capable of the job and nothing about the good things he can do for the country. His own party is rebelling against him, with Dems from swing states calling for his resignation.

Biden’s toast, and the DNC with him. It’s unfortunate but it is what it is.

John_McMurray ,

Bidens a crooked pedo, accused of rape repeatedly, with severe dementia and a crooked family n past also, so…?

John_McMurray ,

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    Cryophilia ,

    Yeah.

    John_McMurray ,

    Well maybe you should stop engaging in idiotic conspiracy theories and admit these are documented fact, confirmed by and in legal proceedings

    subignition ,
    @subignition@fedia.io avatar

    You should get your oxygen saturation checked, pretty sure you're slowly suffocating your brain cells passively by existing

    John_McMurray ,

    “I dont like reality so I pretend it doesn’t exist so I don’t have to reconsider my views”

    subignition ,
    @subignition@fedia.io avatar

    You don't need to quote things when you are the one thinking them.

    John_McMurray ,

    “I know you are but what am I?” Stfu Peewee

    JimSamtanko ,

    Hilarious take there bud. Care to show your work on this?

    John_McMurray ,

    Search engines are right there, just look it up. None of this is obscure or hard to find.

    JimSamtanko ,

    That’s not how it’s going to work here. You made the claim. The onus is on you to support it with evidence when asked because the time it takes to figure out that there is none, shouldn’t be something anyone but you should have to endure.

    John_McMurray ,

    Oh, so you’re in charge now? I don’t take orders from people completely unaware of the recent news or how to look stuff up. Speaks to their intelligence, that they’d even try this.

    JimSamtanko ,

    Cool. That’s fair. However- you shouldn’t expect anyone to believe a word you say if you’re unwilling to support it with evidence. And considering your comment history- even providing evidence isn’t really going to help you out here.

    But thanks for playing. No prizes for you today.

    John_McMurray ,

    Pointed you in the right direction. You can wallow in ignorance, sound like an idiot, or you can go read about it. I don’t care, attempting changing minds of people like you is a waste of effort generally.

    JimSamtanko ,

    As I said. It’s your responsibility to support your bullshit. Not mine. Put up, or shut up. I’m sure you’ve heard the term.

    John_McMurray ,

    Conversation over.

    JimSamtanko ,

    So you’re going with “shut up.”

    Smart move. It’s what I would have chosen if I were you.

    LadyMeow ,

    His base are enthusiastically slobbering on his c**k, and most prominent politicians for the gqp seem to be lining up to holster it when his base are done. Not to mention the supreme crunchwrap court are in love with him too.

    KingJalopy ,

    You can say cock on the Internet. No one will tell on you.

    andrew ,
    @andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

    That’s it, I’m reporting you.

    /s just in case

    LadyMeow ,

    Send me to jail, offsir

    mPony ,

    COCK POLICE REPORTING FOR DUTY

    LadyMeow ,

    🫡

    LadyMeow ,

    True, and i have said all kinds of stuff in the internet but i dont want to too much. :p

    adam_y ,
    @adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

    Someone knows their cock rights.

    KingJalopy ,

    Not really, I’m just cock sure.

    lord_ryvan ,

    Well better not get cocky about it, okay?

    datavoid ,

    I dread the day when every thread on Lemmy defaults to a series of puns.

    It does feel inevitable though, like some sort of internet entropy - eventually everything morphs into wordplay.

    lord_ryvan ,

    Cockserisation 👌👌👌

    Jokes aside, I feel like this is also just a human thing or guy thing, a bunch of my guy friends or family members and I would do the same thing IRL

    somethingsnappy ,

    My cocktail lefts. Just sayin.

    Strider ,

    Cocky.

    lord_ryvan ,

    fyi most Lemmy instances do not censor slurs, so unlike YouTube and Xitter you don’t have to worry about that here

    fubbernuckin ,

    Why did you censor cock?

    LadyMeow ,

    Seemed like the thing to do. Apparently struck a nerve lol

    MerrySkeptic ,

    The truth is that Trump has done more for conservative causes than any president prior. He installed the far right justices that have toppled Roe v Wade and affirmative action. He enacted things like the Muslim travel bans. In short, either they know he’s a scumbag and don’t care because he gets results, or they don’t believe their own lyin’ eyes because look at the results he produces. It’s all about the bottom line, and the ends justify the means.

    kinther ,
    @kinther@lemmy.world avatar

    I said the same thing the other day. They don’t care. They just want results. It could be a ham sandwich that is starting to mold, and if the ham sandwich got the same results, there would be morons out there wearing ham sandwich hats.

    thejoker954 ,

    Moldy ham sandwich '24

    Has a nice ring to it.

    skulkingaround ,

    For the voters, they really don’t believe it. I have conservative family members. Everything is always “Oh that’s just bullshit cooked up by the crooked Biden crime family” “Oh he didn’t mean the words he said very clearly, what he really meant was blah blah blah” followed ten seconds later by “I like him because he tells it like it is”

    I just don’t get it. What makes this guy seemingly have a force field that can make people deny their own eyes and ears? Ignoring morals here, just thinking with those patterns would give me a cognitive dissonance aneurysm.

    Illuminostro ,

    Because they hate who he hates. It’s that simple.

    ZMonster ,
    @ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

    Closeted socialist here. I work in an extremely remote 24/7 process industry. They play Newsmax on the TVs in the chow hall and the only time they don’t is when they are replacing tvs. EVERYONE here is a degree of an alt righter. Some were at J6. Some have “Alex Jones was right” on their thermos’. I honestly believe some would kill me if I said I’ve read Marx. Not a single one of them could accurately define a political, economic, or social system without distracting with tropes, jingoistic rhetoric, or whataboutisms. Academic education is brainwashing. Christianity is a brand-name but you don’t have to read the Bible to be a christian. I made the mistake of expressing my disappointment of Trump because of what he has said about veterans. I was mocked for believing propaganda and over time I have become known as “the liberal”. That was all it took.

    It’s frustrating, and I daily struggle with unchecked bigotry. But most people here do not wake up and choose to be racist or evil. They are doing what their wildly misled moral compass is telling them to be righteous. In their eyes, the pandering of the media that we see is absolute and total corruption to them. The media does lie, they have lied. Most of them couch it In ignorance and a whispered redaction, but that’s all it took. If they can lie about anything, then they must be lying about the unflattering things. There’s a bit of head-in-the-sand and delusion, but in their eyes the rape, the lawsuits, the theft from taxpayers, all of it is exactly what they would say if they were trying to make him look bad. That’s enough for them.

    I honestly don’t blame them. They have fallen for grifts, lies, and propaganda that goes back at least 200 years.

    arefx ,

    at the end of the day they are idiots who fell for a grift as old as time.

    ZMonster ,
    @ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

    I think this type of thinking is just as toxic as the thinking of the ones you so quickly call “idiots”. Not only do you fail to affect the situation in any positive way, but you harden the commitment of those that fell for the grift. Furthermore, you’re blatantly wrong. I’m sure there are things you are ignorant about. I’m positive I could find things that you think that I could demonstrate to be wildly inaccurate (mostly because I work in a very niche field that very few people do). None of them would make you an idiot. It’s okay to not know something. I’m not saying you should pander to anyone, but patience is a balm. Have some.

    TokenBoomer ,

    I feel ya. I didn’t talk to my mom for 2 months after she voted for Trump. This, after 4 years of me detailing his actions. Then I realized that it’s not their fault. They were never given the tools to navigate politics with education. The media lies to them. And their social circles repeat these lies. I was once just like them.

    ZMonster ,
    @ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

    No doubt. Every friend I have is a trumper, but my best friend believes in the cabal. It’s tough and it’s heartbreaking. But I decided I’m just going to be an example of tolerance if nothing else.

    Doomsider , (edited )

    Ah yes, tolerate their intolerance. Sounds like resignation to me.

    ZMonster ,
    @ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m sure it would.

    Doomsider ,

    For sure, because I know exactly what you mean because I have already lived it.

    arefx ,

    Well, I don’t agree with you lol.

    ZMonster ,
    @ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

    Seems I found the first thing you’re ignorant about. Perspective.

    arefx ,

    No, you’re just making a generalization of me based off one opinion I have that you disagree with.

    TokenBoomer ,

    Critical Support for ZMonster. I also have to suffer ignorance with MAGA friends and family. Stay safe.

    ZMonster ,
    @ZMonster@lemmy.world avatar

    🙏 Good on you. Thanks and same to you. Luckily I used to be petulant and conservative so I can fit in when I need to. And my income is used by my partner to raise a child surrounded by love, understanding, and encouragement. So I feel like I’m filtering a portion of capitalism into raising a little communist. 🤣 It’s enough to keep me gritting through the xenophobia. 😬

    TokenBoomer ,

    We saw fireworks last night, and my daughter mentioned, “Is that why your property taxes are so high?” I laughed. Raising class conscious kids is fun . 🤩

    Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

    I used to work at a place where an entire department was like that. They’d always have Jordan Peterson’s latest talk/show/podcast on in the background, MAGA merch, etc. They’d always have the facial expression of an inmate mugshot. And they’d always be super short with people. One of them made a point of saying the N word as much as they could.

    Any time I had to interact with them I’d dread it. I can only imagine how terribly it would have gone if I had dared say anything political in earshot of them.

    WoahWoah ,

    Because Trump is winning in the polls handily and has robust support from his base.

    Biden is the opposite: he’s losing in the polls, his disapproval numbers are the highest in the history of modern polling, and many of the people that will vote for him will do it only because they have to.

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    Trump supporters have to as well but for different reasons. If they don’t drink the Kool-aid and play along socially they are ostracized. Which doesn’t help anyone.

    hellisfulloftacos ,

    As a non American, Trump winning the election makes sesne. But in general, WTF is going on in America?!

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    capitalism just progressing to it’s natural end stage.

    Also…

    First Past The post voting artificially limits the number of political parties to two. This allows the legacy political parties to run incredibly weak candidates since there is no competition in the electoral system.

    With a more representative voting system (much like Ranked Choice voting) people would be free to vote for the person that best represents them, while still counting their vote if that candidate doesn’t win.

    Kedly , (edited )

    "First Past The post voting artificially limits the number of political parties to two. "

    Kiiiind of, Canada has fptp as well and we have about 4.5ish competitive parties, Liberal Party, Conservative Party, NDP (“socialist” party), Bloc Quebecois (Quebec focussed party [used to be a sepratist party, but has evolved to just focus on getting more favourable policies for Quebec since separating has fallen out of favour in Quebec), and the .5 would be the Green Party. So we can vote against the main 2 without wasting our votes/effectively voting for the party we hate more. BUT the reason I said kinda is notice I said Main 2. NDP has won opposition a few times (2nd most voted for party nationally), but Only 2 parties have ever been the most voted for in an election, the Liberals and the Conservatives. (Bloc Quebecois has won the provincial government multiple times in Quebec, but obviously has never been a contender for national government)

    (Green is .5 because most people know about them, but to my knowledge they have never won even a provincial government, which the other 4 all have multiple times)

    Edit: Guess theres a bunch of Americans pissed that they cant blame how fucked their political system is just on FPTP

    Olgratin_Magmatoe , (edited )

    two-party system, political system in which the electorate gives its votes largely to only two major parties and in which one or the other party can win a majority in the legislature.

    Canada is a two party system, because they fit the definition, the majority of the legislature is controlled by the main two parties:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada

    Of the 338 seats, 81% of them are held by either the conservative or liberal party. The other parties have no shot of winning a majority, or taking away any significant number of seats from the big two parties.

    Kedly , (edited )

    Once again, NDP has won Opposition before (which to those unfamiliar, means that it held more legislative power than all other parties aside from the one that won the election). It is a viable 3rd option and likely would have won the national election roughly a decade ago if Jack Layton hadnt died of cancer during his run.

    And because of how our legislature works, if the winning party wins by a minority (Less than 50% of legislative seats), the NDP can team up with the opposition to outpower the party that won and use that to attempt to get legislation that it wants pushed through as a compromise.

    TL:DR your last paragraph is false and only serves to entrench the 2 most powerful parties. Canadian 3rd parties are VASTLY more viable than American ones

    Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

    Once again, NDP has won Opposition before

    And the U.S. had the federalist party which once held power. An extra party being previously viable in the past has little to do with whether or not a legislature is controlled by 1 of 2 parties.

    And because of how our legislature works, if the winning party wins by a minority (Less than 50% of legislative seats), the NDP can team up with the opposition to outpower the party that won and use that to attempt to get legislation that it wants pushed through as a compromise.

    “X party can team up with y” also doesn’t negate the definition of a two party system. Cooperation or not, the conservatives and liberals control the overwhelming majority of the seats.

    your last paragraph is false and only serves to entrench the 2 most powerful parties.

    I’ll be honest, I’m not Canadian and rarely speak about Canadian politics. So in no way am I entrenching the two most powerful parties.

    And my last paragraph isn’t false. There are 338 seats in your house of Commons, and 81% of them are held by the two dominant parties. That is objectively true. The final sentence is a subjective one.

    Sure, 3rd parties in Canada fair considerably better than they do in the U.S., but it seems pretty clear that they have no shot of getting a majority.

    So with all of these things together, Canada is a two party system as well, largely due to the use of FPTP voting. We need more representative systems like approval and star voting.

    Kedly ,

    Ah ok, you have zero idea what you are talking about and are projecting American politics onto Canada. Canada has FPTP and Canada is not in anyway a 2 party country. The NDP and Bloc Quebecois have both had a very strong influence on our political landscape and just because our CURRENT government gives souch power to our two most powerful parties doesnt in anyway mean that the NDP gaining significant amount of power is an anomaly, as it has done so many times in the past

    Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

    Tell me, how many times have the 3rd parties had a majority in the house of commons?

    Kedly ,

    Dude. Politics isnt all or nothing. Quebec gets far better treatment than the rest of the provinces because it has a national party that ONLY looks out for Quebecs interests, and once again, we have minority governments quite a bit of the time here in Canada, where the winning party HAS to play ball with the other parties because it doesnt control over 50% of the votes. The last Conservative government we had had to go to the lengths of shutting down the government ENTIRELY for a few weeks to avoid the NDP and Liberals from teaming up to get legislation passed without the conservatives. FPTP sucks, but our government has at least 3 valid parties to vote for any election season, 4 if you live in Quebec. You arent effectively voting for the party you hate more by voting for the party you actually want here, and again, all the NDP needs is to find a leader that had the charisma Jack Layton had and they’ll be a contender for actually winning a national election again. Even without that though they frequently win Provincial Elections and thus are the ones driving policy in those provinces

    Olgratin_Magmatoe ,

    Dude. Politics isnt all or nothing.

    I’m aware, but it doesn’t have to for my point to stand. 3rd parties lacking the ability to get majority power means it is a two party system.

    The answer to my question was zero.

    Taohumor ,

    I’d run but no one will vote for someone with no criminal record and refuses to lie.

    Colour_me_triggered ,

    As a non American, trump winning will destabilise things in Europe way more than it will in America. The cunt’s said Russia can do what they want with NATO member states. It means all aid to Ukraine stops and Ukraine will lose because Putin has an endless supply of meat to take it if Ukraine can’t find the artillery shells. Russia will turn Ukraine’s now highly trained, well equipped, and battle hardened army against Poland. Major bloodbath! After enough primary school children have died on the frontline the Baltic states will be next, followed by Scandinavia.

    Sure Europe will eventually stop them but at a massive cost. And that’s only if China doesn’t openly arm Russia or send troops. The only way to avoid it is if the US and Europe remain tight.

    Adderbox76 ,

    That’s being an alarmist to the point of absurdity.

    Trump can say a lot of things. He can say he’ll leave NATO. He can say he’ll stop sending aid to Ukraine.

    He can say whatever he wants, and I have no doubt the idiot actually believes it. After all, he said he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. He Said he was going to deport all DACA child. Hell, if I remember correctly, he said during the last campaign that he was going to leave NATO as well unless they fucking paid him, like it’s some sort of protection racket.

    Despite the recent SC ruling, and despite four years of failing to actually do anything he said he could do, he still believes he’s a god-king. But with the exception of a presidential decree, which can be blocked by congress; nothing he’s fucking babbling about can just “be done” on his word. It has to pass Congress and the Senate, which will, despite the eventual winner of the presidency, remain close enough in seats for cooler heads to stop his bullshit. There are enough republicans, even in a Trump administration, that would never dream of fucking up that much.

    The point is, Trump is a fucking idiot. And while the supreme court has made him effectively immune to criminal prosecution, his ability to do almost anything without eventually bumping up against the actual adults in the room is still pretty limited.

    If he actually had the power to do what he says he can, he would have done it in his first term. But even in a party of of racists and MAGA, there are enough adults to keep him distracted with colouring books.

    Colour_me_triggered ,

    The heritage Foundation has been putting the right people in the right places for a long fucking time. Trump is only a foot in the door. The fundamentalists and far right will probably whack him themselves once he’s elected. They are using his stupidity and cult following to gain power. If you don’t resist, it’s going to be a handmade’s tale type dystopia for you and a return to pan continental war for us.

    I don’t envy your position tbh.

    kent_eh , (edited )

    The point is, Trump is a fucking idiot. And while the supreme court has made him effectively immune to criminal prosecution, his ability to do almost anything without eventually bumping up against the actual adults in the room is still pretty limited.

    The problem is that Trump (if elected) gets to appoint a bunch of yes-man lackeys to all the cabinet positions, meaning that there are fewer of those adults in the room to stop him from doing stupid shit.

    Veneroso ,

    In addition to the other people who replied, the answer is simple:

    Fear.

    Look at Kinzinger.
    Look at Cheny.

    You’re labeled a rhino. Your career in politics is over. And then maybe Trump retweets that there should be a military tribunal to try you for treason.

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImT5pYdKw5g

    It’s worth noting that treason is one of the few crimes enumerated in the constitution.

    Why?

    The founding fathers were all guilty of treason to the crown. And virtually anything could be charged as treason under King George.

    You have to TRY to commit treason in the US.

    Trump at one point asked for a list of our spies in the field. A few weeks later they started turning up dead. Trump had met with Putin between those two events. Trump refused that any records be kept from those meetings. Draw whatever conclusion you want from that knowledge, but I personally find that disqualifying. Let alone whatever he was wanting to accomplish by keeping national secrets in his bathroom in his country club.

    He also happily hosted LIV’s golf tournament at Maralago. Who owns that organization? The same folks who paid Jared Kushner 2 billion dollars to “invest”. The Kingdom of Saud.

    HawlSera ,

    Republicans have no shame

    alekwithak ,

    Because not a single Republican has been held accountable for their actions since Nixon. Prove me wrong.

    nednobbins ,

    The people calling for Biden to drop out are completely different from the people who want Trump to stay in the race.

    Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don’t believe he can beat Trump.

    Republicans want Trump to stay on the ticket because they’re pretty sure he’ll crush Biden .

    hydrospanner ,

    Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don’t believe he can beat Trump.

    To this point: for those who think that, do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

    While I’m not thrilled with his chances, I will say that if he wasn’t to be the nominee, that decision needed to happen in 2021. At this point, I do believe that statistically, he’s got better odds than anyone else, so regardless of his debate or mental state, he’s our guy.

    Soulg ,

    This is how I feel too. The debate lowered the chances, but it’s far too late to just shove someone else in.

    hydrospanner ,

    Lemmy doesn’t want to hear it, but you’re correct.

    TeenieBopper ,

    To this point: for those who think that, do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

    Literally anyone born after 1975.

    Look, 45% of people are going to vote for the name on the D line no matter who it is. 45% of people are going to vote for the name on the R line no matter what. That last 10% is who you want to win over. And like, they’re tired of both of them. But Biden is the dude in office right now, so they’re gonna vote for the other one.

    All Biden has to do is say “after some reflection, you’re right. I cannot serve at my best capacity. I’m going to step aside for the good of party and country,” and then they nominate literally anyone under 50. Hardcore democrats are going to vote for whoever is on that line, and middle America is going to see that and be like “that’s the honorable thing to do. I respect that. And I may not know who this new person is, but they’re not Trump” so democrats still have that tired platform without any of the baggage. They would cruise to retaining the presidency.

    nednobbins ,

    do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?

    The answer to that is clearly, “Yes.” The calls for him to bow out are coming from all corners; various mainstream media outlets, donor groups, alternative media, pundits, and even sitting Democratic politicians.

    archomrade ,

    Anyone still planning on voting Biden at this point can only justify it on the basis he’s not Trump, and wouldn’t decide not to vote without Biden on the ticket

    A quality he shares with every other American with the exception of Trump himself.

    The democrats only stand to gain votes by swapping him out. 75% of democrats would prefer a different candidate.

    fantasyocean ,

    Why would he drop out? His racist and nonsensical ramblings are what Republicans/conservatives/the wealthy and his base want. It’s leftist and some liberals who don’t want that. Which is why there are calls for Biden to drop out. That’s not complicated. I barely even understand how this is a question

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