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why isn't anyone calling for Trump to drop out.

I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?

Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?

MehBlah ,

Sycophants gonna sycophant.

rsuri ,

Lots of people have a problem with Trump. All the more reason to want someone opposing him who can beat him.

Chainweasel OP ,

Who do you have in mind?

rsuri ,

Anybody but Biden. Kamala seems to be the expected replacement, that works. If not her, pretty much anyone else. Trump is a terrible candidate. While he has experience in show business, he’s way past his prime and pretty much any person should be able to beat him in a debate at this point.

I was actually recently thinking through people I’ve known and whether they could’ve done a better job debating Trump than Biden did. Generally any adult with a functioning mind would do better. Adults I’ve known with a HS education could’ve crushed Trump in that debate. I’m actually not sure if a homeless guy I once debated on the street regarding the meaning of pi would do better or worse than Biden, he seemed to be at about Trump’s level of sanity and if Trump won this last debate, well yeah even he’d do better than Biden. I can also think of some older teenage jocks I once knew, and while they were dumb as rocks their teenager swagger would’ve been more convincing than Biden’s rambling failed attempts to remember rote speeches.

If I try to think of who is actually about at Biden’s level, I think of myself at the age of 13, when I had a presentation in front of the class on an issue and for some reason I was struck by that early teenager nervousness, and haltingly tried to give a presentation as the class tried failingly to hide their laughter at how terribly it was going. It was probably the most embarrassing day of my life. That’s Biden’s level right there, because he sounded just like me back then giving that presentation. So any person in their late teens or older with a full grasp on sanity should be a much better candidate than Biden.

14th_cylon ,

there is 333 milion people in the us. roughly 1/4 of them is of sufficient age and pro-democracy. one of them has to be able to put together coherent sentence.

ShepherdPie ,

I don’t understand how this is supposed to be like some ‘gotcha’ question. Biden wasn’t a strong candidate in 2016 and lost to Hillary, who then lost to Trump. He wasn’t a strong candidate in 2020 which is why he barely squeaked by Trump to victory. He’s an even worse candidate in 2024 which is why Trump again has a shot at the presidency.

None of this is new information and the party has has nearly a decade to find a good candidate, yet they keep foisting some of the most unlikable people upon us election afrer election after election. It almost seems as if they’re doing it on purpose at this point. It’s not our fault that they’ve waited until the 11th hour to listen to the complaints and even acknowledge what we’ve all been saying for years. If Biden loses again, maybe stop looking at leftists to blame and start looking at the people in charge of this private organization deciding the fate of us all.

Mnemnosyne ,

And yet, instead of answering a simple question, you’ve launched into a ‘if only we could change the past’ screed.

If there was a good answer to the question, people like you would just answer.

ShepherdPie ,

That isn’t a “if we could only change the past screed,” it’s calling the party leadership out for allowing things to get to this point. Where in a bus barreling toward the edge of a cliff while the driver has been ignoring our pleas to turn literally any other direction. Now we’re feet from the edge and you want to chastise us for not giving an exact direction earlier and happily plummet over the cliff with the driver.

Chainweasel OP ,

That’s a long way to go to avoid a question, several paragraphs and you can’t even come up with one name.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Fine: Bernie. Happy now that you’ve got a name?

Fucking Internet lefties and demanding someone have all the answers or they’re not worth listening to

Chainweasel OP ,

Fucking Internet lefties

Ah, there it is.

14th_cylon , (edited )

he is under no obligation to have a name at hand. that is what primaries are for. not having a name at hand doesn’t make biden best possible candidate, or even passable one.

Ah, there it is.

fuck off (you are on my blocklist now, don’t bother crafting elaborate answer designed to just piss me off)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Illuminostro ,

Fuck Putin, and Trump.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Ignoring the rest of my comment to make me look like I’m demeaning all people on the left and not a specific subset of people who argue in bad faith like yourself?

Also a classic move by those same people!

AA5B ,

Bernie? The only potential candidate even older than the two in contention?

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Did I say he was perfect?

I simply provided a name when the bad faither’s pretended like that was the essential part of the argument at hand

Illuminostro ,

Fuck Putin, and the tankie pussies who need a daddy to make them feel safe.

Cornpop ,

Because we know he won’t. It’s pointless. They both need to just fucking die.

spujb ,

everyone is kind of giving snarky answers with a couple helpful tidbits in between but the true answer is:

trump is polling well. current polling indicates that trump is doing good enough at what is expected of him, which at the moment is simply running a campaign that will beat the democratic candidate.

people only really start calling for dropping out en masse when polls start to significantly falter because it’s an indication that the candidate is no longer running a competitive campaign.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Yeah but the polls didn’t significantly falter, they’re still statistically tied with only a margin of error shift since the debate.

This isn’t an organic moment of partisan reconsideration. It’s being pushed by the same folks who were already loudly and obnoxiously telling us about how they don’t like Joe and threatening to vote protest or skip voting because, shock of shocks, nobody primaried the sitting president and risk sowing division right before an election where the other candidate is Hitler’s inbred pet mango.

AA5B ,

People are pretty divided and strongly set in their beliefs. Most of the things that come out of Trumps mouth mean I’ll vote for a shrubbery if it is the only other choice

… but I do also think Biden has done a pretty good job and would like to see more of the same, with a hop to the left

PhlubbaDubba ,

I’m decently confident that if we don’t see it with Biden we’ll see it with the candidates who come for 28. I’m crossing my fingers for Whitmer right now, plenty of progressive bonafides, runs a solidly blue government in a swing state quite well, and the Redcaps literally plotted to kidnap her and do a lot of other nasty shit I won’t write out to her so we’re hardly gonna have to worry about her not taking the threat seriously.

lord_ryvan ,

I can’t believe how far down I had to scroll for a genuine answer. Thank you. Have my only upvote in this thread.

lord_ryvan ,

I can’t believe how far down I had to scroll for a genuine answer. Thank you. Have my only upvote in this thread.

duderium2 ,

I mean, both trump and biden are genocidal lunatics so they should both be in prison, along with anyone who excuses them.

airportline ,
@airportline@lemmy.ml avatar

The Philadelphia Inquirer has. The problem is that Donald Trump and his supporters don’t care what the editorial boards of the Philadelphia Inquirer, the New York Times, or the Washington Post have to say about him.

FrostKing ,

How do I blacklist the word Trump so that I don’t see posts like this in my feed?

Illuminostro ,

Because the stupid and hateful bigots love him, he’s a useful idiot to billionaires and CEOs, and he’s stupidly easy to manipulate, like any malignant narcissist. All you have to do is compliment him.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Because you have to beat trump since the democrats are cowards and can’t even lock up someone for inciting a rebellion.

blazeknave ,

Because it’s the 2024 “but her emails”

Garbanzo ,

No one is asking him to drop out because they aren’t afraid he’s going to lose. Simple as that.

Everyone with their panties in a twist right now could have done something about it during the primaries, but apparently protest votes about Israeli atrocities were the priority.

explodicle ,

I did vote against him in the primary so I reserve the right to have my panties in a twist. My protest vote was for another candidate.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Perhaps you missed the last almost 4 years where people were doing precisely that. There was this whole thing with Ron Desantis, and Nikki Haley, and the brainworms inside of JFK, Jr., etc. It didn’t work, and his base chose Trump, if not unanimously then close enough to it, and also far back enough in the past for such a call to not be relevant anymore. Plus conservatives are just different kinds of people - for them, power is not bestowed upon someone by We The People, but ripped out of the people’s hands by force of will. Might does make Right after all, in their playbook.

But Dems are not choosing Biden. Also, no primaries are being held. So asking him to drop out is the last hope before holding your nose and voting for him anyway, hoping against hope that just like for Hillary, others do as well (although in that case… well, I’m sure this time will be different. Why am I sure? Bc… shut up, that’s why!:-P /s).

rayyy ,

holding your nose and voting for him anyway

Funny, because Joe Biden’s policies are popular with Democrats AND Republicans. The MSM, one the other hand, seems to believe everyone wants a dictatorship so they are attacking Joe Biden for bullshit reasons. Make no mistake, the right will seize power and end your freedom.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

The mainstream media is bought by the trillionaires, so I’m mostly ignoring them.

I thought The Atlantic was basically the last one left. Even The Guardian has encroached first into clickbait titles and now several paragraphs at the top of clickbait content even if the latter part of an article can finally get into real stuff. So it is in transition as it finishes off the enshittification process it already began.

But The Atlantic… I hold to a different standard, in my mind, and when they speak, I still listen. Perhaps I shouldn’t - can you point to an example from them that shows that they have jumped the shark too? The Atlantic isn’t in the same class as e.g. the NYT!!?! They are still worthwhile (I thought?)!

So media aside, people - especially young people that don’t have the personal history with political matters - they watched the debate, or saw clips of its worst moments. They see this shit with their own eyes. It’s not just the media doing a hit job, as has been true in the past. This time it’s real.

Asking your President to remain awake during a conversation, especially one prepared for literally weeks to months in advance does not sound like bullshit to me. Rather it sounds like the basic foundation for any job that I’ve ever had personally, and have ever so much as heard of.

Perhaps Biden('s people) should not have agreed to a debate in this format, giving only 2 minutes for each question, that favored Trump’s style of false but pithy statements? Nonetheless, he did agree…

Also I’m not saying he’s senile, though I would like for a real test to be done. In any case, can we agree that it doesn’t matter at this point? Doing the debate in that manner caused a LOT of harm to his campaign. Maybe I’m just not stating it in the right words, but that’s more along the lines of what I mean…

In more detail: we cannot control people. Hillary Clinton failed to earn sufficient votes, and Trump won in 2016. Now, is Biden repeating the same pattern? Vote Blue No Matter Who is an authoritarian dogma - but we have no power to enforce it. People, especially the youth, will do as they please. The only hope is to try to earn it? That’s going to be a LOT more difficult now, than it was prior to the debate…

Mio , (edited )

I am actually surprised that USA can’t find any better candidates. Unless it have anything to do with money/power… IMO the candidates should not matter, just follow the party line, but the president have more power than that.

Doom ,

Because this is a media blitz

YeetPics ,

On Lemmy you’ll find a lot of blind (and some not so blind) hatred for all things US.

Accelerationists want the worst case scenario for their worst imagined enemy, and voila.

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