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MEGA THREAD - Trump shot but safe, 2 others killed at PA rally

WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump "is fine"
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

News Sources

PanoptiDon ,

I bet there will be a retaliatory attack on his Biden

baronvonj ,
@baronvonj@lemmy.world avatar

at least. and Kamala just because she’s a black woman.

AnneBonny ,

Why take a chance on Biden getting replaced with a good candidate?

SleezyDizasta ,

I doubt it. Something like this already happened before in 2017. A deranged Bernie supporter went to a congressional baseball game and tried to shoot as many Republicans as he could. He ended up killing 6 people. However, despite that, there were no reactionary shootings. It was an isolated incident. I think this will be the same, or at least I hope.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

You do realize the Las Vegas shooting was literally like 3 months later, right?

SleezyDizasta ,

We literally have no idea what Stephen Paddock’s motivation was. The Las Vegas shooting was not a reaction to the congressional shooting

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Read your first sentence, then read your second sentence. Then do it again a few more times, and then ask yourself why I would listen to anything you say?

archonet , (edited )

So you, knowing more than all of the alphabet boys who combed over his personal life for a concrete motive; you know that it was a reaction for a fact, then, yes? Clearly, you must be able to read minds or talk with the dead, then.

No? You don’t have otherworldly powers?

tsk well, golly, sport, that sure don’t make a whole lot of sense.

SleezyDizasta ,

There’s nothing wrong with what I said. You can’t give criminals motives nor can you give different crimes connections based on your personal opinions. The matter of fact here is that despite numerous investigations, we still don’t know why the Las Vegas shooter did what he did. If evidences surfaces that he was indeed motivated and inspired by the congressional shooting that happened shortly prior then we can establish such a connection, but until that happens we can’t.

chiliedogg ,

Please don’t repeat the names of mass shooters.

SleezyDizasta ,

I disagree, I think their names should be known and their crimes studied. We can’t erase what they did, nor should we. We have to discuss and research these fucked up individuals otherwise how are we going to come up with a solution for the root cause of the issue?

chiliedogg ,

Study them, yes. But that doesn’t require making their names and faces commonplace. Most research is done without broadcasting people’s names and faces to the world. Heck - when I was doing analysis for HHS I wasn’t given anybody’s name or picture at all.

Some of these killers are seeking fame and attention, and by giving it to them we encourage others.

SleezyDizasta ,

That is a fair point, I’ll keep that in mind.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

But giving infamy to that Brock rapist guy is okay right? Just double checking.

Didn’t get change his name recently? The rapist guy named Brock or something?

tamal3 ,

With the number of shootings that happen in the US… Pointing out a seemingly unrelated incident that occurred months later is ridiculous cherry picking.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, the right is already committing violence against its enemies, the media just fails to report it as what it is. Instead it’s “lone wolves” and “mental health problems”. Rittenhouse literally shot people on camera and got away with it “because skateboard”.

AbidanYre , (edited )

Daniel Perry murdered someone after driving his car into a crowd and was pardoned because Abbott agreed with his politics.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Garrett_Foster

The right is perfectly fine with violence that supports them.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

The fact that he claimed self-defense really goes to show how far the MAGA attitude of being “victimized” goes. Literally plows his car into a crowd of people and then claims self-defense when shooting someone.

daltotron ,

well to be fair it’s not unusual to get away scot free after murdering people with your car, that shit happens all the time

AbidanYre ,

He didn’t murder anyone with his car. He drove into a crowd then shot someone.

Audacious ,

I was excited at first, then sad. Trump’s death would be the only way american people get justice as he’s clearly above the law. Can’t believe all the news hasn’t called him felon trump, instead calling him president trump, dropping the former.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

I’m so over politics in America. This shit is terrifying. People trying to overthrow elections, seniors that are too old to lead, voter suppression, people stuck in disinformation bubbles, and now assassins. Meanwhile, the rich just get richer, and “middle class” life just gets harder and harder.

I have dual citizenship with an EU nation from birth, and this week had made me start to dust off those childhood documents and look into the details of relocating.

hperrin ,

Good for you. Bye.

Psythik ,

Promise you’ll leave too?

hperrin ,

I have no intention of giving up the fight and fleeing. If progressives who can leave do, those who can’t are doomed to a Republican hellscape.

HappycamperNZ ,

Ooo, which one of us you looking at joining?

Hugh_Jeggs ,

Doesn’t matter, we’re not a bunch of tribalistic, bickering children

Anywhere is fine

iknowitwheniseeit ,

I mean, there are differences between EU countries! If you’re looking to get away from fascism then Hungary might not be your best bet, for example.

Valmond ,

France: fun when it comes to politics and strikes, good food etc.

Sweden/Denmark: calmest places on earth. Social climat : hardmode.

Southern europe: cool and laidback.

Hugh_Jeggs ,

Hungary is not part of Europe, it’s part of Russia

iknowitwheniseeit ,

Isn’t the president of Hungary literally the EU president at the moment. 🤔

Hugh_Jeggs ,

iknowitwheniseeit

Except sarcasm 😂

Pandoras_Can_Opener ,

They are literally in the EU.

EatATaco ,

Every time I’ve read someone shitting on America, and then they mention something like not being American, if you ask where, the question is always avoided.

errer ,

Reddit’s megathread on this is already broken. Just goes to show how terrible it is, you’d think after all this time they’d figure out how to run a website…

JetpackJackson ,

What does it look like? Ive finally deleted my account there and I’m trying not to keep browsing despite that lol

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

My guess: Spez team broke it when the monetizattion algo collided with the censorship algo.

58008 ,
@58008@lemmy.world avatar

Dark times (including a now virtually guaranteed Trump presidency) ahead.

RIP to the USA.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

Care to explain where your certainty is coming from?

PugJesus ,

Biden’s poor polling combined with the tendency of those with assassination attempts against them being seen as martyrs.

On the contrary, I’m hoping that this is what it takes to make the polls look ugly enough to Biden that he finally steps down.

foggy ,

Aha! Surprise! WWIII!

Even more common to a president to remain president during active war!

God this timeline sucks.

PPQ ,

History…?

ComicalMayhem ,

repeats…?

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

It makes him a martyr. Biden was already an extremely weak leader with a massive public perception problem. Trump surviving an assassination attempt while defiantly pumping his fist in the air is the clarion call for Amerikan Fascism.

Biden was already losing in every single swing state. I believe his existing chances before this event for winning reelection were somewhere around 10% at best. This obliterated those chances entirely. The average person is dumb as fuck, and they will vote for strong man leadership. It is a generational mind virus that rises up over and over again in the human psyche. This generation will be no different.

ComicalMayhem ,

I hate this reality. really hoping those polls are inaccurate.

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not a fan either.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Something happened with Reagan. Dip shits will see him as a martyr and rally hard behind him.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

So people who were going to vote for the orange fuck are now going to vote for the orange fuck? How does that move the needle?

KingJalopy ,

More* dumb fucks will now vote probably.

JonsJava OP ,
@JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

People who would sit at home and not vote may be more likely to vote. I hope every able person votes, but this may turn the tide if the other side doesn’t turn out in full force.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

We’re 4 months out, that’s a long time in politics.

Wxnzxn ,
@Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

Two main effects are to be expected: More people leaning towards him, that might not have gone to the polls out of whatever reason (lacking enthusiasm for example) will be more fired up to go vote, and his base will be more fired up to support him in grassroots campaigning. Also, some undecided voters will likely switch from the martyrdom narrative.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

His base is already motivated, they were going to turn out regardless.

There’s a lot of conjecture, you may or may not be correct but I was taking issue with OP’s

a now virtually guaranteed Trump presidency

That’s just fucking nonsense IMO.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

No, it’s the undecideds that need just one reason are the ones you have to worry about.

v9CYKjLeia10dZpz88iU ,
JonsJava OP ,
@JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

I added some of yours to the mega thread - the ones not directly depicting death.

ResoluteCatnap ,

this BBC interview with a guy outside the security perimeter who claims he saw the shooter before he fired is absolutely wild

Wow, you weren’t kidding

ABCDE ,

Sounds like it was pretty amateur hour with the police and security. Nuts he was there for minutes and they didn’t do anything.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Not really. The guy who saw the shooter also said that nobody, including him, could see the shooter clearly as he was climbing up the other side of the roof. What the guy mostly saw was the rifle (that was slung on the shooter’s back) wiggling back and forth as the shooter crawled up the roof to the peak.

ABCDE ,

No, they didn’t, and the video footage they have of the guy contradicts you completely. Watch the interview and check the footage again.

www.bbc.com/news/live/cljy6yz1j6gt?post=asset%3Ad…

“We were telling the police, we were pointing at him for the Secret Service,” he told the BBC’s reporter at the scene, Gary O’Donoghue.

rambling_lunatic ,

You’re Jake Rosen?

v9CYKjLeia10dZpz88iU ,

No, I was just quoting/linking to the sources. I don’t follow or know what type of content they normally create.

rambling_lunatic ,

Ah ok

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

That BBC interview is insane

oxjox ,
@oxjox@lemmy.ml avatar

Welp, seems like that’s it boys. Trump’s got this all locked up.

JonsJava OP ,
@JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

God, but I wish I could say this won’t help him, but I’d be an idiot if I did.

brucethemoose ,

I think it’s worse than that.

It’s going to motivate even more movement in house/senate races. I think this is a guarantee that the legislative branch turns total trump.

skeezix ,

Yes. This will fire up the rabid maga base far beyond anything else that could have happened

morphballganon ,

Eh, the people who will see this as a reason to vote for him were planning to do so already.

nickhammes ,

I don’t think it changes anyone’s mind, but it could affect who shows up to vote.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yup. After Reagan was shot there was a shit ton of sympathy surrounding him (and Brady, who ended up in a wheelchair).

e to add – that was 43 years ago. O.O

vividspecter ,

e to add – that was 43 years ago. O.O

In some ways, not much has changed since then. Reagan started his presidential campaign in an openly racist area of Mississippi with his State’s Rights speech and the footage of the event looks a lot like a Trump rally.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Reagan and the Moral Majority. Good times.

/s

vividspecter ,

I don’t think it changes anyone’s mind, but it could affect who shows up to vote.

On the plus side, increases in turnout generally favour the Democrats (which is why voter suppression by the Republican party is a thing). You’d think that would apply differently here given the context, but maybe the general population will start seeing the election with the seriousness it deserves.

Eccentric ,

I could see someone saying “well I don’t really agree with Trump’s extremism but at least Trump supporters haven’t tried to kill Biden so maybe the left is the problem”. It’s not as easy to wave his fearmongering ravings about the left off as conspiracy theories–someone on the left (I assume) actually tried to kill him. He’s a martyr now.

I really truly want to hope that you’re right but damn if this doesn’t make me super pessimistic about Biden’s already shaky support.

Mountain_Mike_420 ,

Why do you think this event makes it so?

Jimmyeatsausage ,

I have no reason to suspect this was staged but,I mean, it’s a pretty compelling fit to the current narrative… Trump strong, Biden old and feeble. Plus, all that coverage of Project 2025, “Trump’s big weakness,” just died with that first gunshot. Evangelicals will eat this up with their “he’s Chosen” LARP. I can already imagine the “bulletproof” NFT trading card series…

As long as Trump doesn’t die of a heart attack, this is only going to help him.

vxx ,

So that’s the song the trolls will sing for the coming weeks?

Catoblepas ,

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together should be worried about this helping him.

PugJesus ,

“This event helps him” and “Trump victory is inevitable” are two entirely different things

Catoblepas ,

I’d love to be wrong, but the polls were already grim. How many beatings do Biden’s numbers take before (general) you call it inevitable?

The polls in October/November matter way more than the polls now, of course. It’s just difficult to not see this as one more thing in a string of bad news.

PugJesus ,

I think this means that getting a new Dem candidate has gone from “Vital” to “Literally impossible to do without”.

catloaf ,

Trump is about to get a lot of airtime. Any change in candidate now is going to be massively overshadowed.

PugJesus ,

Even better. Biden stepping down now can be quiet. We don’t choose our candidate for another month.

ComicalMayhem ,

new Dem candidate won’t have the time to gain the traction they need. they won’t have the chance. very unfortunate but the time for a new candidate is passed imo.

PugJesus ,

We don’t have a choice. Public perception of Biden is too severely damaged. We take this hail mary and change candidates, or we lose.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Trump shouts ‘fight’

Yeah. The man advocates violence again.

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

Mehdi Hassan lays out the irony of Republicans saying they don’t condone violence and want to pin this on Biden:

zeteo.com/…/did-donald-trump-just-win-the-electio…

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

After thinking about this…offing him will do nothing to stop the creep of facism. You have an entire party now aligned with the idealogices that the 3rd Reich had. And it’s the entire party. MAGA killed the GOP after they got rid of Cheney. You cut one head off and 3 more will pop up identical to him…with vindication. Its going to be a yearly struggle and I fear we won’t be able to hold the line forever

cabron_offsets ,

Offing him would be a pretty stark warning that tyranny comes at a price. As the kids say, “fuck around and find out”.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Nah they wouldn’t be scared. Just more emboldened. They have an entire political party now that feels the same way they do

jj122 ,

It took one bullet to stop an insurrection. Fascists are cowards, if the consequences were death or life in prison, they would stop.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

A federal execution would be, maybe.

Good luck seeing that happen.

If he had died today he’d be a martyr. We don’t need a martyr… and he’s gonna ham it up as he if he were.

This was an incredibly stupid thing to do.

toiletobserver ,

If the gunman is dead, and Richard Simmons is dead… Was it him?

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

kansascitydefender.com/…/trump-shooting-antifa-co…

Right-Wing Accounts Launch Mark Violets Antifa Conspiracy in Light of Trump “Assassination Attempt

Please note this is a DEBUNKED conspiracy per the link above, the shooter’s identity is unknown at this time

kabe , (edited )
@kabe@lemmy.world avatar

Shooter appears to be a white male, aged 20s or early 30s by the look of it. The t-shirt he was wearing is allegedly marked with branding for a firearms-related YouTube channel.

x.com/Shadi_Alkasim/status/1812315218258833590

Edit: Possible suspects are either Maxwell Yearick, previously arrested while demonstrating against Trump in Pittsburgh on a previous occasion, or a Thomas Matthew Crooks, according to the NY Post.

Hasn’t been officially ID’d yet though, so still speculation.

NotAnotherLemmyUser , (edited )

Looks like Thomas Matthews Crooks is not the right guy

Edit 2: but there are a lot of images/videos of the wrong guy going around.

He posted a video saying “you’ve got the wrong guy” but looks like he’s been talking to lawyers and decided to make his whole account private now".

youtube.com/shorts/DM9SVbojbl4

https://x.com/ValorMG/status/1812357749784936512

Edit: Maybe? It could be that the name is correct, but the guy you see in the video is definitely not him.

kabe ,
@kabe@lemmy.world avatar

All the major outlets are reporting that the FBI confirms it’s him now. Very confusing, all round.

archive.is/…/fbi-identifies-thomas-matthew-crooks…

archive.is/20240714055509/https://…/74396853007/

NotAnotherLemmyUser ,

I see a lot of outlets claiming that the FBI identified him, but I don’t see any actual statements from the FBI themselves (beyond a statement asking for more information from the public). Skimming through the various articles with his name and I can’t find any links to an actual source either. I might have missed a video somewhere.

It could be that the name is correct, and this guy was baiting journalists into showing his picture and lying about his real name.

Wrench ,

To be fair, I would label anyone trying to kill Hitler as an anti fascist. Unless it’s someone trying to take over in his place, at least.

SeaJ ,

Many of the people trying to kill Hitler were fellow fascists.

roguetrick ,

Got him in the ear, huh?

Grayox ,
@Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

Too convenient.

chiliedogg ,

Nobody is a good enough shot to risk grazing someone in the head without injuring them.

Someone almost certainly tried assassinating Trump and failed. It’s shocking that it was possible, and the Secret Service has a lot to answer for if it’s true that someone was able to get on a rooftop with line of sight of a former President delivering a speech. It’s hard to express how good they are at preventing opportunities for snipers these days.

If the counter-sniper team is the group who killed the assassin, it was the first time they’ve ever had to fire their weapons outside of training.

Shadehawk25 ,

No, but a bad shooter could try to miss close to make it look legit and accidentally hit his ear. Trump didn’t have to be hit, just come close.

Jaeger86 ,

Right cause the guy just wanted to scare him then die

FireTower ,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

At 100+ yards hitting the ear on a head sized target is incredibly reasonable. This shouldn’t be used as a point of conspiracy.

shalafi ,

Qualify that by saying, “stationary target”. I couldn’t do it, but I’m mediocre on a good day.

shalafi ,

I’m betting you don’t shoot rifles of any sort.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

“Friends, Americans, and countrymen; lend me your ears!”

TheReturnOfPEB ,

The WSJ:

Biden’s Rhetoric Grew Heated in Recent Days

A few days ago the WSJ said Biden was old and ineffectual. Now Biden is a power master.

Pick a fucking lane, WSJ

SeaJ ,

The person killed by the shooter, Corey Comperatore, was a 50 year old volunteer firefighter shielding his family from the gunshots.

reuters.com/…/trump-rally-shooting-victim-identif…

whoreticulture ,

Who attended a Trump rally, knowing full well the violence that maga stands for.

aleph ,
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