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Neil , in Alabama inmate opposes being ‘test subject’ for new nitrogen execution method
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  • harrim4n ,

    Might be trying to delay the execution itself since there is a shortage of the “regular” injection they use because of embargoes?

    itsdavetho ,

    Completely ignoring that execution is wrong for a number of reasons

    Neil ,
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  • ThrowawayPermanente ,

    Why would you even bring up hunger when human trafficking exists in the world? Shame on you.

    PetDinosaurs ,

    Guys, I think I found a solution to both. Hear me out.

    What if we feed the trafficked humans to the hungry humans.

    Win win. No more trafficked humans and no more hungry humans.

    Eezyville ,
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    You’ve experienced this?

    FlyingSquid ,
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    You literally slip into happy fun time

    Is it really ‘happy fun time’ if you know you’re going to die?

    darq ,
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    Weirdly enough, it might be. There are videos of people deliberately testing hypoxia. I've seen one where the person controlling the test told the participant "you know you are dying right now, right?" and the participant responded "Oh" with a big smile. Now maybe the participant was more chill because they knew beforehand that they weren't actually going to die. But they were still completely non-phased watching their brain shut down in real time.

    I'm opposed to the death penalty. But if I had to choose my own way out of this world? Hypoxia is probably top of the list.

    Chainweasel ,

    Listen to audio recordings of pilots with hypoxia, they understand something is very wrong with the plane, but they also think it’s just fine because they’re having a great day.

    Kalkaline ,
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    I always think about Destin from Smarter Everyday when I think about hypoxia. He does such a great job at articulating what he experienced and how difficult it was to know what to do in that moment.

    3ntranced ,

    I always think of thatt moment when they’re like “it’s time to put your mask back on or you’re going to die destin!” and he just looks at them with a terrified half smile and was barely capable of saying “I don’t know what to do…”

    Scotty_Trees , (edited )
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    Which video was that? Would greatly appreciate a link if you can find it, thank you!

    Edit: I believe it was this one - www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUfF2MTnqAw

    Edit2: Just finsihed that video, holy crap that’s a must watch for people. tl;dw, when I plane is cruising at 35k feet and the cabin loses oxygen, you have at best 15-30 seconds before you pass out, so when the airlines says mask up first before helping others, it will literally save your life.

    TimewornTraveler ,

    delivered

    Kalkaline ,
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    Yeah that’s the one, I figured with those key words people could easily find it.

    QuinceDaPence ,

    I got a bit hypoxic on top of a mountain. It was 29°F with the wind you'd expect at 14000ft, and I'm just standing there in a t-shirt because I was just so nice and warm, also I was so loopy I could not stop laughing.

    Agent641 ,

    Did you die?

    tehevilone ,

    Yes, but they got better after.

    Agent641 ,

    Phew

    snooggums ,
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    If done right. You know that people qualified to do it right don't participate in executions, right?

    That's why they fuck up giving someone injections on a regular basis.

    shalafi ,

    How does one fuck up flooding a room with nitrogen gas?

    snooggums ,
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    shalafi ,

    So you see no difference in lethal injection and filling a room with nitrogen? If not, there’s no point discussing it with you. But I’ll give you a hint! Worst case, there’s not enough NO2 to cause death, so the subject gets stoned as balls and they introduce more.

    This ain’t rocket science.

    snooggums ,
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    I see no difference in an incompetent person trying something they are not qualified to do and then trying to do another thing they are unqualified to do. I expect them to fail at both.

    You also don't appear to understand how the NO2 process works. It isn't that they just need to add more N02, they also need to remove the oxygen AND CO2 at the same time. That is actually fairly complicated and requires knowledge on air movement in a restricted space. If they can't properly dose someone with needles, good luck on them doing it right with airflow.

    DarthBueller ,

    This isn’t a “gas chamber” type of execution. They’re putting a mask on the person with nitrogen gas. Though the state’s executioners are so incompetent that they’ll probably end up gassing themselves.

    bookmeat ,

    The issue is with the specific protocol being used. It’s not made public or documented. It’s almost all though they’re interested in torturing him instead of humanely executing him.

    stewie3128 ,

    When the original news broke about Alabama using nitrogen, my wife woke me up by hitting my arm to tell me - because I’ve been saying that is the most humane possible method for the last 16 years.

    I think the death penalty is stupid to begin with, and am kinda over talking about its merits after years of debate team in high school and college. But trying all of these seat-of-pants cocktails of midazolam and pentobarbital etc, and then inventing all of these ridiculous devices that require two people to push buttons at the same time so no one ever really knows whose button actually killed the person… it’s just needlessly complicated and dumb. Not to mention the fact that the legal costs involved in defending appeals and housing someone on death row are much higher than the cost of a life sentence anyway. And that’s leaving aside the statistically significant number of wrongful convictions…

    I mean, we shouldn’t have the death penalty. But if we’re going to, it should be by nitrogen hypoxia.

    DarthBueller ,

    I am split - there shouldn’t be a death penalty, and the horrors of botched executions go a long way toward undermining support for the system. While nitrogen hypoxia would be humane, it also makes the death penalty so much easier to sell. Part of me would rather have it be barbarous to undermine support. Though I can see the state being so incompetent that they end up gassing half of the executioners along with the inmate, even though they’re just putting a mask on the inmate’s face.

    ChaoticNeutralCzech , in Alabama inmate opposes being ‘test subject’ for new nitrogen execution method

    I don’t know much about asphyxiation but it does not sound comfortable. Concerning lethal injection, it’s not certain how much pain the paralyzed body feels as the heart is being stopped – have there been EEG studies?

    I would prefer execution by firing squad.

    Venutianxspring ,

    It’s supposed to be very painless. If I remember correctly your body can’t tell the difference between oxygen and nitrogen so you don’t have a feeling of lack of air, just continue breathing normally then fall asleep and expire.

    XTL ,

    Generally, the build up of CO2 is what triggers pain and panic of asphyxiation. Oxygen displacing gases certainly do cause fast unconsciousness and brain damage. Would seem very likely that nitrogen works well.

    WVbrU ,

    The human body can only detect a buildup of carbon dioxide in the lungs, not a lack of oxygen. This is why it’s uncomfortable to hold your breath for a long time. If you inhale pure nitrogen while being able to exhale, there is no build up of CO2 and therefore little to no discomfort.

    Wikipedia cites a USAF text, saying: “Some individuals experience headache, dizziness, fatigue, nausea and euphoria, and some become unconscious without warning.”

    Zoboomafoo ,
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    This is why it’s uncomfortable to hold your breath for a long time.

    If you want to try it at home, try inhaling the air inside a soda bottle

    HubertManne ,

    over holding your breath because they are both co2???

    Zoboomafoo ,
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    That just doesn’t sound practical

    HubertManne ,

    yes. thus my confusion.

    Psychonaut1969 ,
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    Better yet, try inhaling Nitrous oxide from whipped creme propellant.

    FuglyDuck ,
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    have there been EEG studies?

    there have and it’s horrendous.

    In any case, displacing oxygen with nitrogen is one of those things that you’d never notice until it was too late. because your body bases it’s breathing off how much air your sucking in, you don’t even start hyper ventilating.

    QuinceDaPence ,

    There's plenty of knowledge about the effects of nitrogen from it being a workplace hazard in a lot of places.

    One example is anchor chain lockers on ships. That big iron chain that just came out of the salt water wants to turn into iron oxide so it absorbs all the oxygen making the environment extremely nitrogen rich. In several cases people have been climbing down into it and without warning go unconscious. I think one case had three dead at the bottom before the fourth guy comes along with some brains and thinks maybe I shouldn't go down there.

    Mongostein , in Costco now offering virtual medical care for $29

    Welcome to Costco. I love you.

    FlyingSquid , in The price gap between renting and buying has hit the widest point since 2000
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    Our mortgage is under $1000 a month. For a three bedroom house. Granted, we don’t live in the most desirable city, but it’s in a really nice, low-crime neighborhood which is close to a bunch of stores and the mall.

    I don’t even want to know what rentals cost around here.

    Jwin ,

    That sounds like a dream. I just bought a $550k house with $130k down and pay $3500 a month. Rates are absolutely ridiculous. At the same time, I don’t think it’s cheaper to rent at the moment.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    We got it 8 years ago, that’s why.

    sylver_dragon ,

    Ya, for those of us lucky enough to have been in a position to buy when the market was down, it’s great. People looking to buy a house today are fucked. We bought our home at the end of 2011. We paid $150k for a ~1250sq.ft. home, on about half an acre of land and the local school district is well rated. It’s a more rural area, with the local economy linked to several area US DoD installations. We refinanced the loan and pulled some money out to re-do the roof and windows and now sit at 3.5% APR. The end result is a monthly mortgage payment of ~$950/month.

    Our house now appraises for ~$340k. While some of that movement is likely related to finishing the basement and adding 500sq.ft. of living space and an extra bathroom, most of it has just been market movement. Given today’s interest rates, payments would be north of $2000/month. While we could probably make that work, it would make saving any money difficult.

    Given current conditions, I think the article is right. Rent for now and hope the housing market corrects.

    Burn_The_Right , in Tyson Foods and Perdue Farms face federal probe over possible child labor violations

    Does this mean they are going to discontinue the Tyson Boneless Children Fingers?

    HoustonHenry ,

    “Tyson Boneless Breaded Childrens Fingers” sounds like it was typed up by someone dyslexic, but could also be an interesting Halloween product (made of candy hopefully) 😆

    FlyingSquid , in Almost 7% of adults and 1% of kids have struggled with long Covid, survey finds
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    I don’t know for sure if I have long COVID, but it seems like I do. From what I remember, this didn’t start before I had COVID, but now that I’ve had it, I frequently wake up after being asleep for a short time, maybe half an hour, and cough my head off for about 10 minutes. Like really deep, loud coughs. Then I’m fine. Is that long COVID? I have no idea, but it seems like the timeline works out.

    foggy ,

    I feel like we don’t ever fully get to know the myriad of ways new diseases fuck us up.

    Balios ,
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    New? The messed up thing is we don't even know all the ways "old" diseases fuck us up.

    Hardeehar ,

    If you haven’t seen a medical provider about it, I suggest doing so. Sleep is important. This could be asthma, sleep apnea, GERD or a bunch of other things (long COVID among them). But if you can get a fix to it quickly, you’ll absolutely feel better.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    I do have asthma, but this was never an issue before I had COVID. I have other, more pressing medical issues at the moment that I won’t go into because half of Lemmy has probably heard me talk about it by now.

    Hardeehar ,

    Asthma evolves over time and COVID impacts your lungs. You can have both or neither. Who knows until you get some simple tests done to evaluate your lungs. You’ll need to update your primary who will update your medications or guide you on the next step. I wish you the best!

    SamboT ,

    My wife and I make a decent amount but when she went to have an opinion on wrist pain, we have no answers and after one test we have paid nearly 2 thousand dollars after copay. The doctor says we can try the next thing if we want. It’s fucking ridiculous. How can anyone afford Healthcare in the US?

    Hardeehar ,

    I agree it’s insane 😅

    FuglyDuck , in Trump argues First Amendment protects him from 'insurrection' cases aimed at keeping him off ballot - The Mainichi
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    SCROTUS might elect to disagree. Depends on if the Koch family is up on its bribes or not…

    But the first amendment doesn’t provide protections from the consequences of one’s speech.

    FlyingSquid , in Costco now offering virtual medical care for $29
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    Buying medical advice from the same place you buy a 10 pound tub of mayonnaise is peak capitalism.

    Burn_The_Right ,

    Doctor, I can hear my pulse in my head and my veins are throbbing out of my temples. Are you sure I just need to eat more mayonaise?

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    You can also buy caskets.

    yumpsuit ,

    Is that real? The funeral industry is horrifically villainous and predatory, companies like SCI could use a punch in the mouth from a bigger and less evil gorilla

    valkyrie ,

    Welcome to Costco, I love you.

    r_wraith , in Trump argues First Amendment protects him from 'insurrection' cases aimed at keeping him off ballot - The Mainichi
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    So they are really arguing that the 14th Amendment only applies to the people participating in an insurrection and that the instigator of an insurrection is protected by the 1st amendment? That one will be interesting, becuse as far as I understand it, US legal tradition also holds that the instigator of a crime is as guilty as the perpetrator. The one who orders a murder is as guilty of murder as the one committing it. Or am I wrong?
    Also, did they just admit that January 6th was an insurrection attempt and not a peaceful tourist viait?

    HappycamperNZ ,

    Also, did they just admit that January 6th was an insurrection attempt and not a peaceful tourist viait?

    Not American law expert, but I believe each side is permitted to use evidence brought to case by the other party. So… yes??

    Also - by this logic every trespasser who is shot was just exercising their freedom of speech, every terrorist on domestic soil was just expressing the same freedom. If allowed, this would open a number of avenues.

    neptune ,

    This is pretty clearly baseless on the part of Trump. It’s not freedom of speech to rob a bank with a note. Or to coordinate a crime. Or to communicate insider information to allow for financial crimes… I could go on. Trump had the legal right to argue he won, and to make those cases in court. He did NOT have the legal right to stand before the Capital and wink and nudge and cajole that people inside needed to submit or suffer. Proving that difference is important, but no, there is no blanket protection that speech is never a crime.

    Beardedsausag3 , in Russia seeks to rejoin UN's human rights council
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    Lma-... Wait, oh. This isn't the onion.

    Sabakodgo , in Russia seeks to rejoin UN's human rights council
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    I don’t really understand point of UN human rights council, but China is member…

    ericisshort ,

    And the US is on it as well, meanwhile people remain imprisoned and are tortured in Guantanamo for over 2 decades without access to trial.

    DoomBot5 ,

    Not to mention numerous middle eastern countries, where human rights don’t include women or LGBTQ

    macrocephalic , in Downtowns are dead, dying or on life support, says expert with over 50 years of researching urban policy

    In the middle of the 20th century there was a huge migration of people out of city centres and into suburbs. Some of my relatives bought up properties back then and made bank when the city expanded. I don’t expect inner cities to remain quiet forever, but the way they’re used might change.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    huge migration of people

    White people. Because due to desegregation, they were suddenly required to have black people in their neighborhoods if those black people wanted to buy a house there. So they ran away from the black people.

    CorruptBuddha ,

    Shock and horror… White people mooooooved…

    FlyingSquid ,
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    No one said it was shocking or horrific. Just typical systemic racism.

    CorruptBuddha ,

    Redlining is systemic racism, people choosing to move away is just regular old racism.

    macrocephalic ,

    Not everyone lives in the US. While aboriginal people in Australia also tended to stay in the inner city they make up a much smaller proportion of the population, and the divide between city and suburbs was more along socioeconomic lines than racial ones; it just happened that due to racism the Aboriginals were in the lower socioeconomic group.

    bobman ,

    The biggest draw major cities can implement is not designing their city centers around cars.

    Cities could be like amusement parks, not whatever they are now.

    darcy , in Gen Z can’t work alongside people with different views because they ‘haven’t got the skills to disagree’ says British TV boss

    This seems to be a general societal problem rather than a generational problem. And yes, it’s because of echo chambers.

    When I was younger, people who were batshit crazy would have their craziest instincts checked by people around them. Now, they go online and find other batshit crazy people.

    ShittyRedditWasBetter , in White neighbor hoses down prominent black doctor in house party feud

    Nothing here sounds racist at all. Sounds like they were being loud and the neighbor decided to hose then down.

    Dailymail? Solid choice to rage bait folks.

    nxfsi , in Majority of Americans continue to favor moving away from Electoral College

    Pure popular vote = only large population centers matter because most of the people live there, meaning politicians can safely ignore rural areas that provide all of the food to the cities because they don’t matter votes-wise. Terrible idea for a large country that doesn’t (net) import its food. This also ignores the fact that stupid, easily manipulated people are also allowed to vote.

    Electoral college = rural areas have a disproportionately large voice as they should, but large cities are now neglected. Rural votes are also easily influenced by bad actors, like how China is trying to buy African votes to have a bigger say in the UN.

    AmberPrince ,
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    Except nowhere is homogeneous. There are red voters that live in cities and there are blue voters that live in small farming towns. Right now they don't have a voice because they are separated into districts that are overwhelmingly red or blue
    but get rid if the College and now suddenly your vote is worth just as much as your neighbors, regardless of where you live.

    PizzaMan ,

    politicians can safely ignore rural areas that provide all of the food to the cities because they don’t matter votes-wise

    They already do. Politicians only focus on swing states, and the cities within those swing states.

    They may on occasion visit rural areas, but 9 times out of 10 they are in a city when they are campaigning.

    All votes should count equally. Anything less is bullshit.

    Heresy_generator ,
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    You're missing the fact that under our current system many of our largest states, like California, Texas, New York, and Illinois are ignored by presidential candidates because they're already decided before a single vote is cast.

    CharlesDarwin ,
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    rural areas that provide all of the food to the cities

    I don’t understand this common argument and the framing that comes with it - as if they are doing it for free or for altruistic reasons.

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