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foggy , in Before Jan. 6, the FBI predicted extremists would be 'very willing to take action' over a 2020 election dispute

Good thing we did all that work to predict and nothing to prevent.

Theharpyeagle , in Downtowns are dead, dying or on life support, says expert with over 50 years of researching urban policy

I have a strong hatred for how many storefronts are taken up by “antique shops” (i.e. dusty warehouses full of junk you couldn’t give away) instead of actual businesses in the last two small towns I lived in. Makes it so you can’t really get that much shopping done downtown.

HurlingDurling ,

Don’t hate on the antique shops. Hate on the big box stores that everyone goes to shop and has left the only possible business for a small store to become an antique shop.

EDIT: Also fuck dollar general

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

The tax write off shops for bored housewives needing something to do.

Rapidcreek , in Georgia judge orders jurors’ identities to stay secret during Trump election trial

Anything else would be insane.

Jaysyn , in Georgia judge orders jurors’ identities to stay secret during Trump election trial
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

I'm more interested in what the judge plans to do when those names are inevitably leaked.

Chocrates , in New Orleans braces for drinking water emergency from drought-stricken Mississippi River

Well shit. Just moved to NOLA.

zepheriths ,

As a resident of the area… I am sorry for your loss.

Chocrates ,

Haha, how does our state leadership feel about climate change? Back in Texas they still pretend it’s not real.

BruceTwarzen ,

You're still in america, son.

zepheriths ,

John Bel Edwards, Has put a great amount of care. 2 issues though: 1, the state Senate and 2, other states. Louisiana is " the asshole of the US" in a very literal sense. As a result we have to deal with the pollution from over 100 million people in 19 states directly. Policy under Edwards has been rather pro protection of the bayou. That’s all Louisiana can do. Louisiana doesn’t emit a lot of emissions, and Louisianas main export isn’t even oil any more, its soybeans. Blaming Louisiana for climate change is like blaming the kid being bullied for the bullies.

fireweed ,

Does Louisiana still vote GOP in House, Senate, and presidential elections? Then they’re still one of the climate (and LGBTQ and racial and class and…) bullies.

zepheriths ,

??? We aren’t talking about that? Your moral grand standing is not productive. We are discussing climate change, nothing else.

fireweed ,

??? Republicans have a way worse record on climate action than Democrats?

zepheriths ,

Joke on you Louisiana has no economy to take action on in the first place. Also I already covered that earlier. I’m not repeating.

fireweed ,

I’m not talking about action at the state level, I’m talking about the federal level. The United States is the largest economy in the world, but we constantly struggle to make headway on climate goals primarily because the Republicans in Congress (and back when Trump was president, the White House) constantly undermine those efforts. To be clear, Democrats are no climate champions, but they are at least trying to do something, vs the Republicans who actively try to worsen the climate crisis simply because they think it will piss off liberals. Thus every time Louisiana sends a Republican senator (currently 2 of 2) or representative (currently 5 of 6) or electorate (2020 election: 8 of 8) to Washington DC, they’re making the climate crisis worse by helping to paralyze the United States government.

You can be both a victim and a bully: it’s called voting against your own interests and it’s something red states are notorious for doing.

zepheriths ,

…not what I am talking about again I am not going to respond to aganda spread

Chocrates ,

I’m not blaming us… We are going to be hit by the effects more than a lot of states so we better start trying to mitigate stuff. Also just learned we are about to be drinking saltwater because of a drought north of us 😭

Edit: LOL, I learned about that here! Sorry I’m tired.

bradorsomething ,

“Louisiana: At least we’re not Mississippi.”

Hazdaz , in Biden makes a historic trip to Michigan to walk the picket line to show solidarity with striking UAW -- and counter Trump

Shame that so many on the picket line are MAGAts. Democrats are helping a group who’s members have fallen for Trump.

Kichae ,

They need to be won back over, and the way you do that is basically the same way Trump did in the first place: by making them feel seen, supported, and important.

ThePantser ,
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And lies, don’t forget the lies

StarServal ,
@StarServal@kbin.social avatar

And a constant 24/7 opinion news cycle telling them what the party wants them to hear.

Hazdaz ,

I don’t totally disagree with this, but you don’t flip people with a single gesture. Dems have been out wasting their time for years now on fringe groups who represent a few percentage points when it comes to our total population, all while the masses have felt neglected. When is this going to change? You don’t win elections by pandering to teeny, tiny minority groups. You win elections by listening and communicating with those groups that should be representing your core Base.

JoeBigelow ,
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I think they hope that the pandering endears the majority of decent people to their cause. Unfortunately, the majority of people aren’t decent, substantially lack the ability to empathize, and are struggling just as much as the minority groups Dems elevate. It’s shitty identity politics and I understand why a large group of “out of touch” blue collar workers got tired of it. It’s not just they who are out of touch, and it’s certainly not them trying to win national elections.

Hazdaz ,

It is totally not surprising that the Lemmings here have downvoted your comment since they are some of the people who have been bamboozled the most in this identity politics bullshit. The Dems need to stick to the economy and just about nothing else. A strong economy fixes almost everything else. Enough with this pronoun garbage. Enough with being race-baited endlessly. Enough with fringe groups who couldn’t swing a school board meeting election, let alone the race to the White House.

Soup ,

You say that but non-hispanic white people make up “only” 60% of the population, and many of those people think that conservativism is insane and also want to support the remaining 40%. Almost any LGBT+ white people will be on that side as well.

That also begs the question that with nearly half the country being visible minorities and huge chunks of the majority being other forms of minority what do you mean by “those groups that should be representing your core base”?

I’ll also agree that a party’s core base should be broader than “just enough to win” and there’s no reason that salt-of-the-earth labourers and such can’t be taken care of too, especially since there’s a fair amount of overlap.

deur ,

Democrats are helping people… ideology and morals have to come into play eventually

Neato ,
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Shame that so many on the picket line are MAGAts.

That's wild. Don't they know unions and organized labor is socialism?! /s

But really I'm surprised there are many Republicans and Trumpers who are unionized. I guess they don't actually care about their supposed principles if their welfare is on the line.

Soup ,

They never have. Ayn Rand was on welfare for crying out loud.

ininewcrow ,
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They are socially minded as far as their job, their safety and their rights as workers go … when they go home, everything is to the right and far right.

Just about every manual labourer I’ve ever known was a conservative at heart and I know several blue collar workers that are far right.

They’ll fight the social fight for their group … they won’t do the same for anyone else.

Sorchist ,

That's the right thing to do. Help people who need help.

"I'm gonna only help people who support me, if you don't support me I'll fuck you over" is a Trump way to think.

ininewcrow ,
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I’m an NDP party supporter in Ontario in Canada. The New Democratic Party here is the left leaning party in Canada. It’s the third major party here with the Liberals to the right of us and the Conservatives to the right of the Liberals.

Just because we have a left leaning party doesn’t mean that everyone supports it. It’s a freaking weird discovery when you dig into party loyalties and where individual members lay their priorities.

The average manual labourer and blue collar worker will fight tooth and nail for workers rights, their jobs, their rights and their safety and well being. They’ll throw their organizational support to the NDP to defend those rights.

But when it comes to voting as individual people … the majority of them are conservatives at heart.

It’s a sobering thought … as a group they’re social liberals … but as individuals they are conservatives.

I’ve been to NDP party conventions where I was warned about this. Just because a group of people support your party for one reason, it doesn’t mean it’s members support everything you stand for.

It’s the main reason why socially minded parties don’t get ahead … they are supported by single issue groups that don’t vote and only advocate for a cause … and the individual members are easily swayed to vote for the parties they are fighting against.

It’s freaking weird.

Hazdaz ,

Walk down the aisle of most union manufacturing facilities in the US, and you will see Trump sticker after Trump sticker after Trump sticker on people’s toolboxes. In a Union shop. This would have been unheard of a generation ago. Their Union representatives talk the big talk about supporting Democrats, but the rank-and-file union members go team Traitor. So pardon me while I have little support for all the union discussions in recent years because ultimately Democrats are fighting the good fight only to end up helping people who will vote these same Democrats out of office. And then don’t even get me started on Police unions. The clowns in here and claim all they want that police unions aRe DiFfErEnT, but in the end, they really aren’t. Police unions serve the same purpose that regular unions do, and that is defend the rank-and-file at all costs and that means keeping the bad apples from being fired.

Son_of_dad ,

I’m a union worker and I am dismayed when I go to Union BBQs or gatherings, and the local conservative politician is there shaking hands, and half the workers want to vote for him. Meanwhile that same conservative politician is openly anti Union. The amount of union workers who vote for anti Union conservatives is crazy

Hazdaz ,

It doesn’t help that the local Democrat that represents that region (or whats to, at least) doesn’t even show up to these union cookouts. That only helps perpetuate the idea that Democrats live in ivory towers and aren’t connected to average Joes.

bernieecclestoned , in California governor signs law requiring gender-neutral bathrooms in schools by 2026

Disabled toilets are already gender neutral, I guess they’ll just stick another sign on the door?

colforge ,

Most of the disabled stalls I’ve encountered (at least in the US) are within the gendered bathrooms. So even if the stall is nominally gender neutral one first has to enter the men’s room or women’s room.

bernieecclestoned ,

Ah, in the UK the disabled ones are separate and you need a key

colforge ,

Yeah here in the good ol (hahahaha) USA most establishments have a separate “restroom” for men and women which consist of a row of sinks for washing up and a number of stalls for toilets (and urinals in men’s rooms of course).

Sometimes the urinals are just in a row on the wall with no dividers between. But there’s usually one or two disabled stalls as well, although they’re not locked in any way.

darq ,
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So much of the online bathroom discussion makes more sense when one realises that US public restroom designs are insane.

uis ,
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Lmaydev ,

Do you know you can just buy those keys online?

I didn’t know this for years. So handy.

But be careful as people will ask staff for the key and open it on you haha

darq ,
@darq@kbin.social avatar

Wow I would have thought it would at least have a regular deadbolt from the inside in addition to the external lock.

Also typing this comment makes me realise it's a little weird to externally lock public toilets in the first place. But I know we can't have nice things.

hypelightfly ,

It turns out, California is not part of the UK and your experience isn't relevant.

bernieecclestoned ,

Are you always a dick, or just Tuesdays?

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

and you need a key

Why? It is already so invenient for people without disabilities to somewhere and ask for something, that for disabled it will be nearly-impossible.

bernieecclestoned ,

Disabled people can buy keys for a couple of quid

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Not disable also can. Kinda useless.

bernieecclestoned ,

It’s not. I have ulcerative colitis and find it very useful.

mxcory ,

I have seen some separate restrooms that are unisex plus handicap accessible. Think they are labeled “Family Restroom.” Haven’t used one though.

FuglyDuck ,
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only if they’re single-occupant bathrooms. which. for schools… are usually not going to be the case. personally, that should be the solution. just rip out both bathrooms, install single occupant cells. nobody cares what you are. the only sign needed is an ‘occupied’/‘vacant’ on the latch.

(edit: well, you’d still have to have a placard with braille on it so blind people can know what kind of room it is.)

JokeDeity , in Downtowns are dead, dying or on life support, says expert with over 50 years of researching urban policy

I can’t afford food for myself, and every day gets worse and worse, I’m sure I’m not alone, this is what happens when you let the working class go so far down the hole all they can afford to do is work and sleep.

8tomat8 ,

Are you living in the US by any chance?

JokeDeity ,

Yep.

ViewSonik , in Before Jan. 6, the FBI predicted extremists would be 'very willing to take action' over a 2020 election dispute

Biggest threat to the United States are far-right, white American terrorists.

FuglyDuck ,
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Trump and his cult are the single greatest argument for 2A rights this country has ever seen.

nxfsi ,

A fascist once said that all power comes from the barrel of a gun. That’s why they want to ban guns make sure only the police have guns.

NewNewAccount ,

No American fascist thinks this.

nxfsi ,

Yes they do. They want guns for their “civil militia”, but not for Black people.

kboy101222 , (edited )

Find yourself a right wing gun community and make a comment asking if POC and trans people should have guns too. Guarantee you’ll have several fashy but jobs saying yes no

Edit: don’t Lemmy while tired, kids

refurbishedrefurbisher , (edited )

It’s definitely one of the biggest immediate threats, but it is a symptom. Corporations buying out our politicians and generally being less democratic led to this.

For reference, FDR got elected 4 times. He wasn’t elected a 5th tine because he died in office. Republicans had to invent term limits for the presidency and came up with McCarthyism (the red scare) to force the country and political discourse back to the right. Now it’s just so far right that it devolved into straight fascism.

A good chunk of the American people are latching onto any politician that claims to have a solution to their economic problems, even if they are brazzenly lying about what they actually believe. Trump was in office 4 years, tanked the economy in the process, gave a massive bailout to corpos, and tried to overthrow democracy, and his supporters still believe his bullshit.

DoctorTYVM , in Georgia judge orders jurors’ identities to stay secret during Trump election trial

Good, it will save their lives and help produce a fair verdict.

Trump sees himself as a 90’s monster. Threatening witnesses is totally his trademark. Not to mention sicing his more devout followers on them

sfgifz ,

90’s monster

You probably meant 90’s mobster, but both fit I guess.

hansl ,

He’s more like a 70s monster… “and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for you meddling judges”.

Zombiepirate ,
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Swamp Thing was a 70s monster, too.

He’d fit right in with 'em.

Zerlyna ,
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Ruh-oh!

squiblet ,
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Plus just libeling and slandering them. I'm beyond sick of his bullshit like calling prosecutors doing their jobs 'DERANGED'. Trump is a believer in 'repeat things enough times and they become true'. With his stupid nicknames and labels, we hear them so often that it comes to mind for me when I think of the person, even though I think whatever he said was incredibly stupid. The problem is the media dutifully amplifies his message... "Trump calls Jack Smith deranged! Deranged Jack Smith!"

billiam0202 ,

Trump is a believer in ‘repeat things enough times and they become true’

Hmm, I did Nazi you mention who the pioneers of this particular propaganda technique were, and why Trump would use their tactics.

grue ,

Huh, where could he have learned about that?

Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed.

Source: vanityfair.com/…/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenu…

billiam0202 ,

I never believed that story, because I’m not convinced Trump is literate enough to read such a book or to understand Hitler’s oratory.

I bet he made Ivanka read it to him before bedtime.

grue ,

Go watch old interviews of him from the '80s. He’s half-senile now and he’s always been an evil grifter, but he wasn’t actually an idiot.

PetDinosaurs ,

You know very well the names will leak, and you know very well this will ruin their lives and probably end them prematurely.

I would sit in jail for as long as necessary to avoid being on any of these juries.

Nastybutler ,

Thank you for admitting your cowardice. I’d welcome the challenge of it, and be honored to be in the select group of people able to actually hold him accountable

MedicPigBabySaver , in Alabama inmate opposes being ‘test subject’ for new nitrogen execution method

It’s way better than an electric chair.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Moat likely, but since qualified people don't participate in executions it will probably end up being done wrong and he will suffocate to death with carbon dioxide and suffer horribly in a different way.

neuropean ,

Unlikely, unless the nitrogen flow rate is way too low. Even then, it would take a considerable amount of time.

snooggums ,
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They keep fucking up injections, do you think they are going to get airflow stuff right?

QuinceDaPence ,

Should just be opening a valve. There's no mixture to get right like with the injection. Just 100% nitrogen.

snooggums ,
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You would think so, but the people who are fucking up injections are making even more basic mistakes than the amount of chemicals. They are extremely likely to mess up the seals, the equipment that has the valve, and a ton of other steps that would make the process work successfully.

One third of executions in 2022 were botched. Why would a new method have a higher success rate?

SamboT ,

Why would you assume a new method would have the exact same success rate as different methods?

snooggums ,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Because I assume the same incompetent people will be trying something new and therefore more likely to fuck it up.

SamboT ,

Heuristics sure are fun. Unfortunately they are often wrong and thinking things out is better. Maybe don’t broadcast strong opinions for things you don’t know anything about. It’s a lonely life here on Lemmy but there are other ways to get attention and validation than instantiating some opinion that you’ve held long enough to type it out.

Serinus ,

Because it’s extremely simple.

You can still think executions are wrong without making up nonsense to justify it.

Mdotaut801 ,

It is extremely simple…and yet they still fuck it up. That’s his point. Can you read?

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  • Hazdaz , in Alabama inmate opposes being ‘test subject’ for new nitrogen execution method

    So put a bullet in his head and call it a day. Enough with this bullshit.

    Zombiepirate , (edited )
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    Seriously, who gives a fuck about boring legal motions when we’re about to give the blood god his due?!

    Sacrifice! Sacrifice!

    We’re so fuckin’ horny for it!!

    Hazdaz ,

    Make sure the pentagram is nice and even. Remember, the inside angle is 36 degrees.

    Even those who defend murderers should learn to use a straight-edge and compass.

    Zombiepirate ,
    @Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

    Where did I defend a murderer?

    I’m thirsty for their blood just like you!

    There’s nothing more important than killing people who we’ve already removed from society; how else are we going to satisfy our horniness?

    Hazdaz ,

    Still breathing our air. I guess those who defend convicted murderers enjoy breathing in what they exhale. Do you want to fluff up their pillow too?

    Zombiepirate ,
    @Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

    You keep saying I’m defending a murderer when I just want to get my rocks off like you.

    Unless fluffing their pillow makes you climax better? I’m into it if you are.

    And fuck them for taking all of our air! We need that shit!

    Hazdaz ,

    We do need that shit. luckily no matter what all the murderer defenders come up with, this asswipe is dead-man-walking.

    Zombiepirate ,
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    I know, I’m so turgid right now!

    Let’s bag this guy and release some hormones! Enough waiting!!

    Hazdaz ,

    I’m fairly congested too… enough talk. Let’s just do it.

    deft ,

    This comment was funny but your argument with this guy became kinda dumb.

    This dude forfeited his life for crimes he absolutely unequivocally committed. How he is killed, he has no right to decide. We the people do. Original commenter dude has a rough take but it isn’t that cruel, fuck murderers they’re fortunate we the people dislike violence and actively seek humane executions.

    Zombiepirate ,
    @Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

    But the US justice system has proven time and again that it is not to be trusted with killing prisoners.

    We have literally thousands of examples of innocent people being killed due to faults in our justice system; how many innocent people are acceptable to kill to keep this failure of an institution standing?

    Life in prison is both less expensive and leaves the situation open to remuneration in the case of wrongful conviction.

    deft ,

    Don’t disagree but does feel like a moment to point out America’s war crimes and what we’ve done to the world. This isn’t a wrongful killing and this isn’t generations of cancer and trauma and ruined societies because of our country.

    This particular person right here is guilty though and in this one instance, fuck him. Fuck this guy. He is not part of our society, he’s not our friend or an ally or even deserving of humanity we treat one another with for how he treated one of us. It is decided he will experience the first version of this method of removal. He has no right to decide how, that is forfeit for him and allowing him to have that is injustice to the people he’s harmed.

    And homie above saying fuck it shoot him was bad taste but jeez it is a tasteless comment at best.

    Zombiepirate ,
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    I won’t lose sleep over a real murderer being killed.

    My issue is the systemic failure of our justice system, not a guilty individual losing their life. So I’ll ask again: how many innocent people is it worth sacrificing to get the ones who really have it coming, and why?

    We know that innocent people will be killed via capital punishment. Why is the institution worth keeping when life in prison is cheaper and allows for remuneration when the justice system inevitably gets one wrong?

    Serinus ,

    Well, it’s not like we should treat 20 years in prison less lightly. And we certainly do.

    havokdj ,

    Because unironically, shooting him in the head would be infinitely cheaper, infinitely quicker, and infinitely more fun for the executioner than any other method save for hanging (except for the quicker part).

    It’s also painless, the most expensive cost would be hiring someone to clean up afterwards.

    Something else you have to keep in mind with people like this, we do not ask to be born into society, or as humans. Most of us enjoy who we are and love being a part of society for the most part, but killers often time do not feel human, they feel like it is the world and themselves, separate not the same. Whatever the case may be that causes this, including a condition or mental illness.

    Yes, what has to be done must be done, but you should understand that it is not something that is done or should be done out of some kind of revenge hate fetish, it is something that is done to remove those people from our society because they are unfortunately too dangerous to be left alive, too dangerous to live even in a standard prison.

    Once you start adding hate, anger, revenge, etc to the mix, you might as well just start throwing the zyklon b and burn pits in too, because that’s what a society that kills with hatred does. Unless that person has specifically done something to you, your family, or your friends, you should harbor no hatred for them, only sympathy.

    108 ,
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    Skulls for the Skull Throne!

    zovits ,

    Milk for the Khorneflakes!

    SuddenlyBlowGreen ,
    TimewornTraveler ,

    the state should just execute everyone who says it’s okay for the state to execute someone

    HerbalGamer , in Alabama inmate opposes being ‘test subject’ for new nitrogen execution method

    I’ll take it if he doesn’t want it.

    PsychedSy ,

    I was gonna say they could test on me, but I don’t want to support the death penalty.

    bobman ,

    Unless they’re pedophiles!

    HerbalGamer ,

    WoO stupid take

    bobman ,

    Why?

    HerbalGamer ,

    Pedophiles usually don’t want to be pedophiles and won’t act on their desires; they’re just quietly suffering from mental illness and just their existence shouldn’t change someone’s stance on the death penalty.

    bobman ,

    Yeah, I’m talking about the pedophile who do act on their desires.

    Sorry that needs to be spelled out for you.

    Glad we can both agree they deserve the death penalty.

    butterflyattack ,

    I agree that there are some crimes so horrible that the offenders no longer deserve to live. The trouble is that I don’t trust police and the courts to correctly identify the guilty all of the time. Until there’s a system that can prove guilt with 100% accuracy we shouldn’t have a death penalty.

    Zealousideal_Fox900 ,

    Yeah. Look at I think it was either south korea or taiwan but one of them went and grabbed a dude for murder and then killed him, came out a few months later he was nowhere fucking near the crime and was completely innocent. They grabbed another dude and did the same. Wrong. Again. They never even found the actual killer.

    Serinus ,

    To make the same point in a less sarcastic way, it is a problem that just throwing the term pedophile at someone immediately ostracizes them and society is willing to condem them to effective death.

    It’s so bad that a jury doesn’t even really need evidence to indict. Because apparently seeing one, potentially censored image is enough to cause PTSD?

    I’ve seen people being decapitated without getting PTSD. I’ve seen horrible things from the Holocaust. I don’t think one image is going to cause permanent damage. (I fully believe dealing with this stuff every day for years can be an issue. That’s different.)

    We need to drop just a bit of the hysteria.

    butterflyattack ,

    A while back round where I live a guy was burned to death by a mob of his neighbours because people were saying he was a pedophile. Turned out he had only been taking photos of kids vandalising his garden. Oops.

    Ashyr ,

    Link to that news article?

    butterflyattack ,
    Ashyr ,

    Thanks for sharing, but, at the same time, I really wish it wasn’t true.

    Zealousideal_Fox900 ,

    They should’ve given the people who did it a life order with all chances of parole chewed up, spat out, burnt up and the ashes shot into oblivion before being buried 900 feet underground.

    DarthBueller ,

    Holy fucking shit. It never once occurred to me that lynching was a thing in the modern UK. Mass stabbings? Sure. Getting mugged and beaten by gangs of teens, okay. But straight up lynching? Fuck.

    angrystego ,

    I agree with you when it comes to the ostracizing problem. I would just like to remind you that not everyone is psychologically identical to you. Some (perhaps many) people CAN get PTSD by looking at a picture of a terrible crime.

    Serinus ,

    I don’t think a bunch of people got PTSD from 4chan 2004.

    angrystego ,

    I don’t think willing participants count ;)

    WldFyre ,

    Ah yes, 4chan, full of normal, well-adjusted people

    DarthBueller ,

    I have seen some horrible shit too. Like that girl and her male cousin rapping in a bathroom with a gun, and she winds up accidentally killing her cousin and then killing herself after she realized what she did. Yeah, never going to forget that. Don’t have PTSD from it, but definitely was traumatic.

    Zealousideal_Fox900 ,

    When I was 11 I saw a whole 40 minute documentary from 1945 about it and I haven’t gotten PTSD from it.

    AllonzeeLV ,

    Right? Why aren’t suicide booths a thing yet?

    The capitalist owners could make more profit off it, and that’s literally all human civilization values. And bonus, the people the Capitalists and their doting peasant sycophants consider “lazy, socialist commies” would largely opt out, leaving them to count their shillings in peace, unopposed.

    Is it about needing a homeless population that can’t (easily) opt out to scare the other peasants into continuing to show up for their purposeless jobs? Or just the last thin fig leaf of the capitalists deluding themselves into believing themselves less than monstrous?

    Because being trapped in this labor camp of a civilization isn’t mercy. It’s the opposite of mercy. Not legalizing escape isn’t the same thing as valuing life, and we clearly don’t. It’s the same thing as an anti-abortionist claiming to value human life while opposing social programs to help the newborn and mother.

    manofnyan ,

    Capitalists make portable suicide booths called guns! They love them

    Neil , in Alabama inmate opposes being ‘test subject’ for new nitrogen execution method
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  • harrim4n ,

    Might be trying to delay the execution itself since there is a shortage of the “regular” injection they use because of embargoes?

    itsdavetho ,

    Completely ignoring that execution is wrong for a number of reasons

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  • ThrowawayPermanente ,

    Why would you even bring up hunger when human trafficking exists in the world? Shame on you.

    PetDinosaurs ,

    Guys, I think I found a solution to both. Hear me out.

    What if we feed the trafficked humans to the hungry humans.

    Win win. No more trafficked humans and no more hungry humans.

    Eezyville ,
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    You’ve experienced this?

    FlyingSquid ,
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    You literally slip into happy fun time

    Is it really ‘happy fun time’ if you know you’re going to die?

    darq ,
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    Weirdly enough, it might be. There are videos of people deliberately testing hypoxia. I've seen one where the person controlling the test told the participant "you know you are dying right now, right?" and the participant responded "Oh" with a big smile. Now maybe the participant was more chill because they knew beforehand that they weren't actually going to die. But they were still completely non-phased watching their brain shut down in real time.

    I'm opposed to the death penalty. But if I had to choose my own way out of this world? Hypoxia is probably top of the list.

    Chainweasel ,

    Listen to audio recordings of pilots with hypoxia, they understand something is very wrong with the plane, but they also think it’s just fine because they’re having a great day.

    Kalkaline ,
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    I always think about Destin from Smarter Everyday when I think about hypoxia. He does such a great job at articulating what he experienced and how difficult it was to know what to do in that moment.

    3ntranced ,

    I always think of thatt moment when they’re like “it’s time to put your mask back on or you’re going to die destin!” and he just looks at them with a terrified half smile and was barely capable of saying “I don’t know what to do…”

    Scotty_Trees , (edited )
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    Which video was that? Would greatly appreciate a link if you can find it, thank you!

    Edit: I believe it was this one - www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUfF2MTnqAw

    Edit2: Just finsihed that video, holy crap that’s a must watch for people. tl;dw, when I plane is cruising at 35k feet and the cabin loses oxygen, you have at best 15-30 seconds before you pass out, so when the airlines says mask up first before helping others, it will literally save your life.

    TimewornTraveler ,

    delivered

    Kalkaline ,
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    Yeah that’s the one, I figured with those key words people could easily find it.

    QuinceDaPence ,

    I got a bit hypoxic on top of a mountain. It was 29°F with the wind you'd expect at 14000ft, and I'm just standing there in a t-shirt because I was just so nice and warm, also I was so loopy I could not stop laughing.

    Agent641 ,

    Did you die?

    tehevilone ,

    Yes, but they got better after.

    Agent641 ,

    Phew

    snooggums ,
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    If done right. You know that people qualified to do it right don't participate in executions, right?

    That's why they fuck up giving someone injections on a regular basis.

    shalafi ,

    How does one fuck up flooding a room with nitrogen gas?

    snooggums ,
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    shalafi ,

    So you see no difference in lethal injection and filling a room with nitrogen? If not, there’s no point discussing it with you. But I’ll give you a hint! Worst case, there’s not enough NO2 to cause death, so the subject gets stoned as balls and they introduce more.

    This ain’t rocket science.

    snooggums ,
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    I see no difference in an incompetent person trying something they are not qualified to do and then trying to do another thing they are unqualified to do. I expect them to fail at both.

    You also don't appear to understand how the NO2 process works. It isn't that they just need to add more N02, they also need to remove the oxygen AND CO2 at the same time. That is actually fairly complicated and requires knowledge on air movement in a restricted space. If they can't properly dose someone with needles, good luck on them doing it right with airflow.

    DarthBueller ,

    This isn’t a “gas chamber” type of execution. They’re putting a mask on the person with nitrogen gas. Though the state’s executioners are so incompetent that they’ll probably end up gassing themselves.

    bookmeat ,

    The issue is with the specific protocol being used. It’s not made public or documented. It’s almost all though they’re interested in torturing him instead of humanely executing him.

    stewie3128 ,

    When the original news broke about Alabama using nitrogen, my wife woke me up by hitting my arm to tell me - because I’ve been saying that is the most humane possible method for the last 16 years.

    I think the death penalty is stupid to begin with, and am kinda over talking about its merits after years of debate team in high school and college. But trying all of these seat-of-pants cocktails of midazolam and pentobarbital etc, and then inventing all of these ridiculous devices that require two people to push buttons at the same time so no one ever really knows whose button actually killed the person… it’s just needlessly complicated and dumb. Not to mention the fact that the legal costs involved in defending appeals and housing someone on death row are much higher than the cost of a life sentence anyway. And that’s leaving aside the statistically significant number of wrongful convictions…

    I mean, we shouldn’t have the death penalty. But if we’re going to, it should be by nitrogen hypoxia.

    DarthBueller ,

    I am split - there shouldn’t be a death penalty, and the horrors of botched executions go a long way toward undermining support for the system. While nitrogen hypoxia would be humane, it also makes the death penalty so much easier to sell. Part of me would rather have it be barbarous to undermine support. Though I can see the state being so incompetent that they end up gassing half of the executioners along with the inmate, even though they’re just putting a mask on the inmate’s face.

    ChaoticNeutralCzech , in Alabama inmate opposes being ‘test subject’ for new nitrogen execution method

    I don’t know much about asphyxiation but it does not sound comfortable. Concerning lethal injection, it’s not certain how much pain the paralyzed body feels as the heart is being stopped – have there been EEG studies?

    I would prefer execution by firing squad.

    Venutianxspring ,

    It’s supposed to be very painless. If I remember correctly your body can’t tell the difference between oxygen and nitrogen so you don’t have a feeling of lack of air, just continue breathing normally then fall asleep and expire.

    XTL ,

    Generally, the build up of CO2 is what triggers pain and panic of asphyxiation. Oxygen displacing gases certainly do cause fast unconsciousness and brain damage. Would seem very likely that nitrogen works well.

    WVbrU ,

    The human body can only detect a buildup of carbon dioxide in the lungs, not a lack of oxygen. This is why it’s uncomfortable to hold your breath for a long time. If you inhale pure nitrogen while being able to exhale, there is no build up of CO2 and therefore little to no discomfort.

    Wikipedia cites a USAF text, saying: “Some individuals experience headache, dizziness, fatigue, nausea and euphoria, and some become unconscious without warning.”

    Zoboomafoo ,
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    This is why it’s uncomfortable to hold your breath for a long time.

    If you want to try it at home, try inhaling the air inside a soda bottle

    HubertManne ,

    over holding your breath because they are both co2???

    Zoboomafoo ,
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    That just doesn’t sound practical

    HubertManne ,

    yes. thus my confusion.

    Psychonaut1969 ,
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    Better yet, try inhaling Nitrous oxide from whipped creme propellant.

    FuglyDuck ,
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    have there been EEG studies?

    there have and it’s horrendous.

    In any case, displacing oxygen with nitrogen is one of those things that you’d never notice until it was too late. because your body bases it’s breathing off how much air your sucking in, you don’t even start hyper ventilating.

    QuinceDaPence ,

    There's plenty of knowledge about the effects of nitrogen from it being a workplace hazard in a lot of places.

    One example is anchor chain lockers on ships. That big iron chain that just came out of the salt water wants to turn into iron oxide so it absorbs all the oxygen making the environment extremely nitrogen rich. In several cases people have been climbing down into it and without warning go unconscious. I think one case had three dead at the bottom before the fourth guy comes along with some brains and thinks maybe I shouldn't go down there.

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