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BeautifulMind ,
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On the one hand, do I think they did it? 100% yes. On the other, am I surprised the law is signaling they might do something about it? Also yes.

There have been dozens of credible reports of such violations, of children being maimed and losing limbs even, and now finally there’s a probe? Watching the law take this much time to announce it will begin to investigate what’s been in the news for years almost convinced me it didn’t want to do it at all.

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    nickwitha_k ,

    And making bets related to worker COVID-19 infections. That’s not even mentioning use of ICE as a weapon against labor. The owners and management are comic book level of vile human beings.

    Burn_The_Right ,

    Does this mean they are going to discontinue the Tyson Boneless Children Fingers?

    HoustonHenry ,

    “Tyson Boneless Breaded Childrens Fingers” sounds like it was typed up by someone dyslexic, but could also be an interesting Halloween product (made of candy hopefully) 😆

    lntl ,

    “We take the legal employment and safety of each individual working in our facilities very seriously and have strict, longstanding policies in place for Perdue associates to prevent minors from working hazardous jobs in violation of the law…”

    They say they didn’t do it. Did they or is this just another another DOL shakedown?

    BossDj ,

    But. Why do the kids need to work in the first place

    Tronn4 ,

    They yearn for the mines

    Rouxibeau ,

    Because we’re trending towards 3-4 income houses being required to make rent.

    BossDj ,

    That’s the dream

    Car ,

    I feel like I just read a story about children working in meat processing factories. Guess we’re skipping right to The Jungle then.

    Hildegarde ,

    Imagine a world where RICO was used to prosecute things like this instead of peaceful protesters.

    sadreality ,

    Well DoJ and FBI could do their job... But that ain't how this country works tho

    Jimmyeatsausage ,

    Isn’t that what the probe is?

    Mouselemming ,

    Peaceful?

    Binthinkin ,

    Two major companies who have monopolized food. I am shocked.

    BonfireOvDreams , (edited )
    @BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.world avatar

    two major companies who

    Exploit animal bodies on mass scale. I’m shocked they’d exploit children’s bodies too 🥴

    aeternum ,

    yeah, but animals don't matter /s

    girlfreddy ,

    Apparently neither do children.

    Zink ,

    Now now, they aren’t complete monsters. It’s only OTHER PEOPLE’s kids that don’t matter to them. Well and other races, and other countries, and probably a bunch more.

    Infynis ,
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    media.tenor.com/…/futurama-shocked.gif

    the_q ,

    Even more of a reason to stop eating meat.

    chemicalprophet ,

    Because the produce industry doesn’t violate workers rights…

    Wogi ,

    No, noooo. They have uhh… they have fairies come in and pluck only the ripest fruit at very livable wages… please don’t look in to this too closely. Definitely don’t go in to the shanty village and start asking questions.

    wokehobbit ,

    So your okay with slave labor if they’re fae? How speciest of you!

    Wogi ,

    Frankly yes. This lantern doesn’t light mundanely and the darkness has spookies that bite. The only solution is fae torture.

    AbidanYre ,

    Definitely don’t go in to the shanty fairy village and start asking questions.

    Fester ,

    *Even more of a reason to stop eating.

    BonfireOvDreams ,
    @BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.world avatar

    Math equation says, plant eating requires less land, which means fewer workers exploited. Also I’m pretty sure plant farmers don’t have a 400% turnover rate. It’s almost like even if the math were equal, which it isn’t, killing animals all day is bad for your mental health.

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    BonfireOvDreams ,
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    When the Vegan is right 😡⬇️

    bobman ,

    Pretty much how it is.

    I love veganism because it points out how hypocritical and cognitively dissonant people are. Just another fine example of the average 21st century homo sapien being an idiot while thinking they’re smart.

    I don’t expect more at this point.

    commie ,

    eating a majority of plants involves a significant less amount of human and animal suffering

    I don’t believe you have any proof of this

    commie , (edited )

    Math equation says, plant eating requires less land, which means fewer workers exploited

    that doesn’t follow

    edit: this user never constructed a cogent argument, but, in the end, devolved into a hypocritcal spluttering rant making unfounded accusations, then announced they were blocking me. just in case you thought they could deal with skepticism.

    BonfireOvDreams ,
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    Let me be way way more specific for you than should be necessary. It takes more plants to feed animals than us to feed plants ourselves directly. E.g., a culture of animal product consumption requires more land to be cultivated and maintained to feed those animals before we can even feed the animals to us. This requires more workers to be exploited in the ‘consumption’ industry.

    If you are arguing that ‘well those workers will just be exploited in another business,’ you could make that argument about any change in the workforce where labor requirements are reduced. It’s not relevant if we are focusing strictly on the food system and the amount of workers required within it. If we continue this more broadly though, it’s still not necessarily true if we don’t assume a political/socioeconomic system that puts them in that position. So in a hypothetical far far future, if we for some reason still need human labor to work fields but have outsourced enough jobs to robotics elsewhere so as to have UBI for many citizens without work, it would still require less workers to focus on a plant based diet than a meat eating diet. Frankly, by reducing the amount of workers required in any instance, you inch ever closer to UBI. So if you want to inch closer to a society that doesn’t exploit workers generally, even from that point of view, The Vegans are still approaching this closer than meat eaters.

    commie ,

    a lot of what is fed to animals is the waste from crops that go to humans first. the same land growing food for animals is the same land growing food for people.

    BonfireOvDreams ,
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    My dude you are either being misled or are attempting to mislead. Yes some inedible material from crops we eat is used and in some countries like the US they even feed garbage to pigs.

    If you are taking the ‘nothing gets wasted approach’ it absolutely does, Americans waste 40% of all their food availability for example.

    But to the point they absolutely are clearcutting rainforests and other lands specifically to increase feed production for animals. They absolutely feed a shitload of human edible material to animals grown specifically for animals. I’m too lazy to reiterate statistics to a single person who will see it so for the love of God please research this and do not send me any regenerative animal farming bullshit that does not scale.

    ourworldindata.org/land-use

    ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food

    ourworldindata.org/food-ghg-emissions

    ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

    ourworldindata.org/less-meat-or-sustainable-meat

    ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks

    commie ,

    every one of those links is just rehashed poore nemecek 2018. I’m dubious about their methodology.

    my dude.

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    commie ,

    I haven’t moved goalposts at all, and everything I’ve said has been true.

    commie ,

    ruminants can be raised entirely on grazing, and nothing is more efficient than letting an animal live until it’s fat enough and slaughtering it.

    BonfireOvDreams ,
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    Are they raised entirely on grazing though? Are you in hypothetical land where people eat 1% of the total meat they currently do eating only animals that exclusively graze?

    No.

    commie ,

    you have no idea what is in my local meat markets.

    BonfireOvDreams ,
    @BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.world avatar

    A) Congratulations, you account for almost no one on Earth and haven’t accounted for the totality of it in determining how people should/can live in regards to the environment. Your worldview is extremely biased in determining appropriate models if you think people can/do eat animals that exclusively graze.

    B) Are you not also still neglecting to consider the methane release of those grazing animals?

    C) even if the environmental factor were not real, which it is, you’d still be facilitating intentional animal murder. An already disagreeable matter.

    Reminder that you started with ‘I dont see how less workers would be exploited.’ And we’ve arrived here. Are you by chance anti-vegan or have any personal financial investment in animal agriculture? The degree to which you are interested in justifying environmental damage and animal murder on the grounds of your local meat market being isolated from reality and that almost no on has or can have access to seems entirely lacking a basis for this level of argumentation and I’m growing tired of arguing with someone who cannot grasp this.

    commie ,

    Are you by chance anti-vegan or have any personal financial investment in animal agriculture?

    I am not antivegan

    commie ,

    Are you by chance anti-vegan or have any personal financial investment in animal agriculture?

    my identity is irrelevant to whether I am right

    commie ,

    you are interested in justifying environmental damage

    I’ve never done that

    commie ,

    you are interested in justifying … animal murder

    I have never done that

    commie ,

    you’re attitude is shitty. you can’t accept that you made a hyperbolic claim and go off on rants that cross the line into hostility to someone who had the temerity to disbelieve your wild claim. get help.

    commie ,

    Your worldview is extremely biased in determining appropriate models if you think people can/do eat animals that exclusively graze.

    people absolutely do that.

    commie ,

    you started with ‘I dont see how less workers would be exploited.’

    and you still haven’t made a compelling case, but you have shown that it’s not even a real concern for you, given that you are actually interested in pushing an ideology and are grasping at straws to support it.

    BonfireOvDreams , (edited )
    @BonfireOvDreams@lemmy.world avatar

    I should have just went to your profile right away and saved the trouble lol

    The ideology doesn’t detract from the obvious. You’re ignoring the laws of thermodynamics for non-grazing animals because in your head there is some fictional world where there is exclusive grazing animals that everyone exclusively eats where reality puts that at maybe 0.0001% of real human diets. Your intentions are dubious at best, and I grow tired of you. If you really wanted to have a productive conversation, you could have explained what about the methodology of the UN’s FAO paper on land use you disagreed with, but I guess you can just reference some other paper and go ‘well it’s allegedly at least in my brain like this other one I read so therefore all goes in the trash.’ I am not a data/environmental scientist so if you want to debate bro about the particulars of those papers or their methodology seek out people who may or may not be more educated than you, personally I think they’ll have an even harder time taking you seriously.

    You can probably even get a direct email out to those who wrote the papers you disagree with. They might laugh a little, but they may actually respond. Who knows. But I’m good dawg, I’ll keep doing what is ethically sound for living conscious beings and is recommended by scientific consensus as good for the environment/climate, and you just keep on saying whatever the hell all these comments were to other people who probably also don’t want the most nested back and forth dialogue possible that goes nowhere. Maybe you’re not ‘anti-vegan’ but to engage with this content as frequently as you do, you clearly have a motive - and unlike you, Vegans will be upfront and honest about theirs. You should stop hiding your intent/background. But again, I’m good dawg. I’m interested in dialogue that can actually change people’s minds to lead a more compassionate and sustainable life and it’s clear you’ll not change your ways and no one is reading this so it will not influence others either. You will continue paying other people to kill animals irrespective of any evidence I provide and hilariously claim it’s not evidence. No interest in interacting in future, giving you the solid block. Have a nice day.

    commie ,

    I should have just went to your profile right away and saved the trouble

    poisoning the well

    commie ,

    lol

    appeal to ridicule

    commie ,

    You’re ignoring the laws of thermodynamics

    no i’m not

    commie ,

    in your head there is some fictional world where there is exclusive grazing animals that everyone exclusively eats

    i never made any such claim.

    commie ,

    Your intentions are dubious at best

    more poisoning the well and innuendo

    commie ,

    I grow tired of you.

    rhetorical posturing

    commie ,

    If you really wanted to have a productive conversation, you could have explained what about the methodology of the UN’s FAO paper on land use you disagreed with

    i spend my time how i like, and you don’t get to dictate how i communicate.

    commie ,

    go ‘well it’s allegedly at least in my brain like this other one I read so therefore all goes in the trash.’

    did you read the sources for any of those links. they are all drawing on poore-nemecek.

    commie ,

    if you want to debate

    i don’t. i just wanted to point out that you made a claim that you can’t prove.

    commie ,

    personally I think they’ll have an even harder time taking you seriously.

    another appeal to ridicule

    commie ,

    You can probably even get a direct email out to those who wrote the papers you disagree with.

    poore won’t write back. i can’t see why.

    commie ,

    I’ll keep doing what is ethically sound for living conscious beings and is recommended by scientific consensus as good for the environment/climate, and you just keep on saying whatever the hell all these comments were to other people who probably also don’t want the most nested back and forth dialogue possible that goes nowhere.

    implying your interlocutor is unethical for doubting your unproven claim is the height of intellectual dishonesty.

    commie ,

    Maybe you’re not ‘anti-vegan’ but to engage with this content as frequently as you do, you clearly have a motive

    more poisoning of the well.

    commie ,

    and unlike you, Vegans will be upfront and honest about theirs

    you weren’t. you started off making unfounded claims about labor practices, and only revealed later that you have some other motivation.

    commie ,

    You should stop hiding your intent/background.

    irony

    commie ,

    it’s clear you’ll not change your ways

    more unfounded claims

    commie ,

    You will continue paying other people to kill animals

    i’ve never done that. most people haven’t

    commie ,

    No interest in interacting in future, giving you the solid block. Have a nice day.

    ah. the thought-terminating cliche and the announced block. lovely. truthfully, i love the lemmy block system.

    the_q ,

    So doing something good shouldn’t be done if it’s not good enough?

    Ghostalmedia ,
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    Cesar Chavez be like “you think lettuce is innocent?”

    lobut ,

    I do agree that we should stop eating meat. It’d be a great relief to the environment, climate and all that too.

    That being said, I remember reading about conflict avocados and was like, “is there anything I like that I can feel guilt-free about!”

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    commie ,

    reducing animal products makes a huge impact

    I doubt it

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