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hperrin ,

Supreme Court Reform!!!

Blackout ,
@Blackout@kbin.run avatar

The difference between 2 leaders:
https://files.catbox.moe/qsu8oz.jpg

andrew_bidlaw , (edited )
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

I find it utterly boring. Nothing to quote or even remember. It’s in line with his whole style but I was erroniously waiting for him to make a bang at least now and there. But it’s just… not bad? It seems like that can describe his days in the office.

I wonder what others took from it.

HappycamperNZ ,

Boring is good. This is the point, we should have stability and predictably.

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

In that speech too?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If we lived in a sane world, it would all be boring.

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

I see your point.

SirDerpy ,

But, we don’t live in a sane world. Boring isn’t good right now, is it?

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Boring is kinda better than insane, but it’s not enough to counter the challenges of our age. - That’s what you mean, right?

SirDerpy ,

No. I mean boring doesn’t achieve anything meaningful for the governed because conditions are intolerable. Even blood is better than boring because we suffer.

Boring would be letting you put words in my mouth twice. I won’t do that. I’ll just block you on the second post demonstrating bad faith of any sort.

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m not sure I catch your wind, but you are a mod of your own feed after all.

SirDerpy ,

Of course not. See ya.

andrew_bidlaw , (edited )
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

insufferable

jumjummy ,

Did you expect him to mock a disabled reporter, talk about sharks and batteries, or spend the entire time shit talking other people?

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

There are only two ways, right?

I put this vid on play to hear his mission statement, or a solid aknowledgment of what he achieved, or what he sees the US becoming in the future. Something slapping, something hypey, somerhing you can put in ads. Is that too much?

Cryophilia ,

“A republic, if you can keep it”

“nothing, nothing can come in the way of saving our democracy, and that includes personal ambition.”

I bet you didn’t even listen to it, you just immediately went online and started making generic negative comments.

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Thanks for not painting me as a russian bot I am.

To your surprise, I’ve watched it twice because such speeches may deeply affect the world and even me. But even these two quotes were mid and sucked at delievery.

I liked how in the first part he referenced average citizen, took an accent on highlighting them and their will, that’s really valuable. Yet I’m puzzled of how the same speech could’ve been more captivating if he had a great speechwriter to nurture it.

SirDerpy ,

same speech could’ve been more captivating if he had a great speechwriter to nurture it

It wouldn’t matter because I think you had it above: delivery. I’d say give him a pass for COVID. But, he’s always delivered boring speeches.

What I don’t understand is why, if you watch such speeches regularly, you’re now surprised that Biden delivered exactly as he always has, particularly now when he can provide a point of contrast to KH hype marketing.

I think you’re setting an unreasonable expectation if judged relative governance & political campaigns. If judged relative humanity then I think you’ve set the expectation too low.

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Because it’s one of the last ones he may be remembered for? Dude chaired the US for 3+ years and he is in a position to do a historical thing, an endorsment for a younger candidate. Isn’t it a reason to try better?

If judged relative humanity then I think you’ve set the expectation too low.

Can you explain that? We are talking speeches, not his politics, right?

SirDerpy , (edited )

Can you explain that? We are talking speeches, not his politics, right?

Sure.

Because it’s one of the last ones he may be remembered

That’d serve his ego, not the political agenda.

he is in a position to do a historical thing, an endorsment for a younger candidate

He already did that. He even broke tradition to step aside for her.

Isn’t it a reason to try better?

Why are you assuming that what he delivered doesn’t serve the political agenda? It’s far more likely that he’s done exactly what he intended and you don’t understand it, yet.

I already explained. But, you’re not listening. This pesky assumption of yours is probably in the way.

Can you explain that? We are talking speeches, not his politics, right?

Governance is functioning as it intends and as it always has. It’s normal. However, humans deserve much, much better, including in the speeches from their politicians.

cley_faye ,

Expecting politics to be all bangs is part of the problem of modern politics.

hperrin ,

He called for Supreme Court reform. That’s pretty big for an address from the Oval Office.

JonsJava ,
@JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

This is a rare exception to rule 6. Yes it’s a video, but it does qualify as news.

Viking_Hippie , (edited )

Joe Biden gives address

Silly old man thinks we don’t know it’s 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW 🙄

(Yes, I know that the word doesn’t mean that in this context)

Endmaker ,

Why would he need to do so? We all know he lives at The White House.

Gullible ,

I don’t believe that he relinquished his campaign out of utter beneficence. I skimmed the transcript but never managed to find it, does he touch on what in particular compelled him to pass the torch?

It’s hard to believe that he’d just wake up one morning after six months of campaigning and say “yeah, it’s about time I hang up my suit.” Especially with only a few months remaining for Harris to campaign. There had to have been a coming to Jesus moment for the spontaneity of this about face.

Bocky ,

The people spoke loudly about what they wanted. I’m glad he listened

Gullible ,

They’ve been saying the same thing for 3 years. This doesn’t make sense without some sort of realization or external pressure.

iiGxC ,

Maype he watched a recording of the debate and realized everyone on stage was too old to be running for president?

Gullible ,

Maybe? Selfishly, I still wish he’d offered complete candor to sate my curiosity. Maybe in his memoirs.

upto60percentoff ,

Even if he had, you still wouldn't know if he had.

Cryophilia ,

He did offer complete candor.

I believe my record as president, my leadership in the world, my vision for America’s future all merited a second term, but nothing, nothing can come in the way of saving our democracy, and that includes personal ambition.

He still thinks he’s perfectly capable of being an excellent president. But the voters disagree, and he’s stepping down to give us the best chance of stopping Trump.

I’m sure you don’t like his answer, but that’s his answer.

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Disapproval is very different from potential voters wanting someone else (a specific other candidate, not a generic candidate). He thought he could convince voters that he was still the best option.

He realized he was wrong. Maybe if State of the Union Biden showed up to the debate things would be different. But we’ll never know.

diabolik ,
@diabolik@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

The story behind it is that he was finally shown how terrible his numbers really were in swing states. Apparently, they looked very bad and were trending even further down.

The story also goes that the reality of the situation had largely been hidden from him by his closest confidants up to that point. Add in all the party and public pressure, and it really doesn’t seem too far fetched that he was finally forced to face up to the bleak outlook of his chances going forward.

JayTreeman ,

The people with money decided they didn't like him. That's what changed.

quixotic120 ,

I don’t know how people don’t get this. It’s utterly transparent, they didn’t make any secret of it. Their megadonors pulled donations, pelosi went and had a secret chat that was probably along the lines of “i have spoken to the oligarchs that fund us, if you insist on running your war chest will be paltry and the rest of the party will suffer in kind. Congressional races, local elections, etc will all be vastly underfunded because you decided to stay in the race. They are holding the bag and they want you out.” and then a few days later he announces he’s out after they coordinate things. Maybe he had a day or two where he had a pipe dream moment thinking he could grassroots fund it like Bernie and someone shot him back down to earth

The specifics of their conversation are secret so that’s conjecture of course but the fact that the dnc’s large donors pulled their donations until he dropped out and that pelosi spoke to him about that fact are not. And then she gets spun as some “boss dealmaker” when really she’s just the mouthpiece of the elite ruling class, sending a message that their money dries up if they don’t get their way. Some deal making that is

Cryophilia ,

I agree.

Note: I think it’s worth it if it ends up stopping the actual fascists from seizing power.

But I very much expect Biden’s plan to increase taxes on the 1% to be either heavily neutered or quietly scrapped when Harris gets in office. And that sucks.

timewarp ,
@timewarp@lemmy.world avatar

He didn’t. They are gaslighting you now trying to make it seem like this was the plan all along. People hate Trump and they unite behind that and end up voting blue no matter who. They’ll end up in this mess time and time again though until people make Democrats change else stop voting for them. You don’t help someone addicted to drugs by giving them money everytime they ask.

derbolle ,

but not voting or voting red means actively Supporting fascism. on one side you had an old guy who was visibly getting older and on the other side you have a almost comically evil group of persons who want nothing more than to make life more miserable for all people on earth but themselves

the choice should be obvious

upto60percentoff ,

but not voting [...] means actively Supporting fascism

  • Not donating means actively funding fascism
  • Not canvassing means actively canvassing for fascism
  • Not committing acts of terror in support of democrats means actively committing acts of terror in support of republicans
breakingcups ,

Ridiculous attempt at false equivalence

upto60percentoff ,

I'd honestly be interested to see a cohorent argument as to why the first two aren't true if not voting is. I can't think of one.

The last one I threw in there for fun.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Is this you 13 days ago?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e6546189-ed89-49f2-8e31-2995dcfe6f92.png

So many people here who have spent months bitching about Biden being the candidate can’t take five minutes to enjoy him stepping down from the election.

You got what you wanted.

upto60percentoff ,

And I support Harris?

"Not voting is voting for the other side" is completely ineffectual as a slogan, since the type of person likely to not vote is going to immediately file it away in their brain as the obvious hyperbole-bordering-on-lie it is.

What's your point?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I told you my point: take a minute and be happy you got what you wanted before moving on to being miserable about the next, related, thing.

upto60percentoff ,

But I'm not miserable about Harris? I just told you that.

Or are you trying to say that making any comments that don't end with a string of 🎉 emojis is off the table for the next 3 to 5 working days ?

I get that maybe you misinterpreted my comment as anti-harris, since I didn't bother to make my specific stance clear and kind of threw it out there, but I've now clarified.

Why are you doubling down now? Just to try and retroactively justify some unnecessary receipt pulling?

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You’re not, you’re miserable about something else instead. Specifically, people suggesting that voter apathy helps Trump. Or at least you acted in a pretty miserable way.

upto60percentoff ,

Okay so the emoji thing. Not allowed to criticise anything? What a strange and unique lens to view the world through.

"Voter apathy helps Trump" has a lot of baked in context that makes it kind-of-true when "You not voting helps Trump" just objectively isn't.

I must say though, I wasn't miserable when i made that comment, and now that you have received the initial thing you were looking for (or confirmation that you had it all along), I expect to see nothing but positivity from you for the next week.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s fun to expect things. And it’s weird to expect someone to be positive about everything when they were just accusing you of only being miserable about the election.

But yes, I am very positive about the election right now.

homura1650 ,

From the reporting I’ve read, there have been a lot of meetings between him and leading Democrats urging him to step down; starting with his debate performance and continuing from there.

He’s probably been considering it for a while. However, in his position, as soon as you acknowledge that you are considering withdrawing from the race your campaign is over, so he needed to look committed until he was ready to pull the trigger and drop out.

Viking_Hippie ,

I mean, he said that he might do it for health reasons and then it was announced a day or two later that he had tested positive for covid again.

It’s probably just a fig leaf for him to bow to pressure from the party without losing too much face, but it’s also possible that he’s honestly realizing that staying in a job that keeps exposing you to covid and any other epi/pandemic that comes along isn’t a good idea at his age…

MyEdgyAlt OP ,

Transcript

ech ,

Reading the transcript, he spent a lot of time talking about his accomplishments. Not sure if he’s just stuck in campaign mode or trying to salve his ego from the harsh critique he’s faced the last few months. Either way, not a great look for someone trying to look like they’re “graciously” stepping aside. And he mentioned Harris a grand total of once. Way to unite “your” party, Joe.

Zaktor ,

He did the important thing, I don’t give a fuck what he does now to salve his ego.

sigmaklimgrindset ,

I get what you’re trying to point out, but I actually didn’t mind it. People have downplayed a lot of what Biden has gotten done with the house and senate that was handed to him, and it was nice to hear some of the work the Executive branch has accomplished laid out.

There’s way more focus on the bullshit of the SCOTUS and Legislative branches because that’s where all the doom and gloom are, and we know that’s what sells.

Pacattack57 ,

I thought it was a good speech

geekwithsoul ,

No, he’s teeing it up for Harris to campaign on those accomplishments and helping draw a sharp distinction between her and Commander Cuckoo Bananas. And he didn’t mention her because he at least knows you can’t campaign with a presidential speech.

Cryophilia ,

Username checks out

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You’ve convinced me. I’m not voting for Joe Biden in 2024.

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