NO! Not free - mandatory sales from the NRA. What’s the point in lobbying for a gun for everybody if the lobby doesn’t profit from the government pushing guns on everybody? You’re acting like anything other than money were behind the gun issue.
So 3 shots fired (rest were more rapid, so looked like SS responding), 2 people died, only trump get out of it without any major issue. A grazed ear implies that he survived by mere centimeters.
Then when going to the car he is mouthing “fight, fight, fight”. I’m sorry, but this is a very odd reaction for somebody that nearly died today.
He was trying to get people rioting on J6 (but that while succeeded, fortunately got stopped), he tried people to riot when he had criminal trial (didn’t work at all), and now in the heat of the moment, he thought that was perfect time to try it again?
For sake of everyone I hope this will also be unsuccessful. I’m glad Democrats quickly condemned this (this is something we quite missed in 2017-2020 when similar events happened).
Standing up in a huddle of secret service to face the camera and fist pump is not something people do after an assassination attempt. It’s what people do at a photo op.
False flags are not an unknown thing in history. Republicans do seem to be getting quite desperate. They’ve known for a long time their ability to size permanent control of the government and establish a Christofascist regime is on a clock, as demographics shift against them in the United States. At this point, I feel it is a question as to how much damage they’re able to do before their party dies, ala the wigs. We do indeed live in interesting times.
Then when going to the car he is mouthing “fight, fight, fight”. I’m sorry, but this is a very odd reaction for somebody that nearly died today.
Adrenaline/Shock. Do not expect rational acts from people under shock. Do not expect actions in or out of character for them. You can be a completely different person in such a situation.
I agree that he’s probably happy with this incident (given that he only recieved a minor wound, that will probably be very visible whenever he’s infront of a camera. But his reaction of calling “fight” is prefectly in line with him being a very defiant person, who’s also very politically savvy. It was a perfect response, if you want people to think all political opponents are the enemy.
And Trump also don’t lack for “courage”, if you can call an egomaniacs conviction that everything will always go his way that. I don’t see anything strange with it, given his character.
We saw mass media and the Dems pull the same thing in 2004. Decide a candidate is unelectable, before the election, and then make it happen. What happened to letting the voters decide? What happened to democracy? Meh.
It was sick then, and it is sick now. If the man is too old, OK, but we all knew his age a year ago. To pretend to be surprised and concerned now is laughable.
If the man is too old, OK, but we all knew his age a year ago.
Which is why its crazy he didn’t have any kind of primary contender. Hell, its crazy he didn’t just wrap this at one term and pass the torch to any of a number of popular and highly competent governors.
I totally agree with you. My speculation is that people in power in the DNC didn’t want to push for a younger candidate because then that candidate would immediately seize a lot of power. Perhaps they were disagreeing on who would be the best person, and they figured that some old man is low risk because he’s going to retire soon enough anyway. But that’s all blind speculation. A lot of what the DNC does happens behind closed doors.
Guy tries to overthrow the country, and people are worried that someone tried to kill him. What is wrong with this world. If people aren’t trying to kill him we have something to worried about.
The justice system failed to arrest and detain the suspect and keep him imprisoned until charged properly. This isn’t a failure of the people, it is a failure of the government.
I’m sure he will spin it into some grand conspiracy with very little evidence behind it. But his lunatic supporters don’t really need evidence of conspiracies so I’m not sure it’ll change anything very much.
Now if the bullet had hit him that would be a very different thing.
Yeah, Trump’s first presidency showed that he was a moron. He’s not the dangerous part. The dangerous part are the millions that worship him. Assassination, or worse, attempted assassination, is a surefire way to make sure that ideology never dies.
In what sense is Hamas not a terrorist group? They routinely blow shit up and kill people. They’re terrorists just like Israel, only they do it without US backing, and of course, they’re not nearly as good at it.
Shooter has been identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks. Some sources say he was affiliated with some anti-fascist group, and other places are saying he was a registered Republican.
So likely just a registered Republican. Antifa gets thrown onto literally every one of these types of people until proved otherwise. Remember the antifa utility attacks that turned out to be white supremacists?
He is a registered Republican (middle initial, and date of birth included).
Others claim he donated to a progressive run, Voter Turnout campaign push, but that donations on has a firat and last name listed so may not be this particular Thomas Crooks.
Other than that and his choice of weapon, there’s not much to go on.
This fucking shooter could set behind democracy in the US for dozens of years. Land the shots and you martyr him, miss and you galvanize his support. Seriously the conservatives were starting to shift away from the far right after Epstein documents and Project 2025. Now deep state wackos will NEVER go away and resort to crazier armed shit. Seeing people comment that the shooter ‘was so close’ is insane and makes them no better than political extremists.
There’s also a ton of very religious rhetoric being used about Trump now. He’s literally becoming the Messiah and a true religious hero fighting whatever evil is out there. God is saving him from bullets and what not. There’s going to be some interesting sermons in evangelical churches around the country these next few weeks. Yikes.
Have “more shots” in the voting booth with Ranked Choice voting. First Past The Post voting artificially limits our magazine size to two shots. We deserve the right to have a standard or even high capacity magazine.
More chances to stop the Republicans. More chances Republicans would pick a more moderate candidate. More representation. More freedom.
There is something seriously wrong with American politics. Trump is evil - not a word I throw around lightly - but this shooting has all but guaranteed a win for him in November.
Nobody is changing their vote over this… Like, the Democrats have been entrenched in “Not Trump” since the word GO, blue out numbers red and they know what’s at stake.
There’s no wide middle, who is actually still undecisive in this election? Actual people, IRL I want to meet them. Not some twitter jockeys or media talking heads, not some podcast. Actual voters.
Probably not every single solitary person, but the majority. I think politics have been too divisive to the point where the middle is too slim to make a difference. These aren’t new political candidates. Nothing has changed.
The Dems are going to win. It’s painfully clear that Trump (and his cabinet members) are unfit to lead and do not have the best interest of our nation’s people. We’ll have to wait til November to what degree that is.
You say that as if all registered voters cast a vote for every election.
This will, at least, energize the R party to vote in numbers we have yet to see. Meanwhile, you’ve got apathetic D voters who really don’t want Biden to be president. It’s not about changing voters’ votes - our elections are never about that - t’s about the number of people who cast a vote.
Until now, I’ve been very much in the camp of promoting all the things Biden has done to convince voters he’s still worth supporting. Yesterday’s event changes that. The DNC needs to combat this pending influx of voters with an invigorating candidate.
…you’ve got apathetic D voters who really don’t want Biden to be president.
Let’s be real, nobody wants Biden to run again, on either side. That being said, every Democrat knows what’s at stake - and that’s Donald fucking Trump. This situation doesn’t change who DT is, his viewpoints, or his policies. The actual people, the actual voters realize that DT is just a way worse situation.
It’s not about changing voters’ votes - our elections are never about that - t’s about the number of people who cast a vote.
This nothingburger of a scene isn’t going to stop some Democrat from voting. At the end of the day, there are more Blue than Red and the Dems are entrenched in not having DT in office. I don’t even live in a big city, a red county even, and everyone I’ve talked to in person understands the stakes.
Yesterday’s event changes that.
Why would yesterdays events change your viewpoints on Turmp? How does that change his awful policies and degressive viewpoints? How does that change him being an actual Felon and suspected pedophile?
There’s no real substance behind the idea that this guarantees a red victory. No Democrat who was against Trump before is going to realistically change their view over Trump over this situation. It doesn’t change who Trump is or what he stands for. If this achieves anything, it will be to incite violence.
You’ll also take notice many of the accounts parroting this nonsense are not old accounts. Usually, these accounts were just botted to repost news articles or memes and only just recently started commenting. It’s a strange pattern I’m seeing across multiple threads.
I don’t think people mean that D voters will suddenly vote from Trump because somebody tried to murk him, but that it might get sympathy from swing voters. If that’d have any real effect on the outcome is anybody’s guess, but I’d wager it probably won’t matter all that much.
But yeah, in any case I figure that – like you said – the most “visible” outcome of this will be more political violence from the right.
I would think that the number of actual swing voters is extremely low. The last few years of politics have been very divisive (probably an understatement), more so than anything in my lifetime. At this point, I haven’t heard anyone IRL not have their political compass already pointed. Democrats have been dug in against DT since he announced he was running again. Rs have been dug in for DT since he announced he was running again.
Frankly I’d tend to agree, it doesn’t seem likely there’d be a lot of them exactly because… well, gestures around broadly
But now that I think about this, even though the effect on swing voters could well be pretty inconsequential, the shooting might well “reactivate” some Republicans who weren’t necessarily going to vote – although I’ve understood that their turnout is often a higher than the Dems’, it’s still not 100%. Now whether that is likely or what the size of the effect could be isn’t something I’m really qualified to speculate on, I’m just a random Yuropean who woke up this morning to find that while I was sleeping somebody apparently tried to murk Trump.
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