"Gen Z isn't bad at discussion, everyone at the workplace has bad opinions and we shouldn't have to discuss"
Reality:
Offices aren't filled to the brim with evil people and yes you do have to talk to people you disagree with on a high level. Gen Z probably really does have issues with actual high level discussion because they've grown up their whole life surrounded by Internet echo chambers. This includes right wingers.
I mean it's a problem with a lot of Gen Z in the west yes. But where I live someone's opinion does not affect how well you get along with them, probably because people aren't addicted to the internet as people are in the west. Also if anything you're the one who isn't accepting other's views lol.
You literally are though, you're acting as if my views are invalid. I fully respect your beliefs but from the way you're writing these replies, it doesn't seem like you're respecting mine
The article is an opinion piece that is intentionally leaving out what topics they claim are not being debated.
At a time when science has been politicized, it is safe to say these topics are not up for debate. Reality isn’t up for debate. Especially when it is evidence vs opinion.
This is a continuation of the dance around what's being talked about. The reaction isn't that ‘other people's opinions are bad’. The reaction is that oppressive behavior being passed off as innocuous opinion is not genuine opinion, and cannot be tolerated in a peaceful society. But yeah, let's minimize the opposing view like a cable TV news anchor.
The reaction isn't that ‘other people's opinions are bad’. The reaction is that oppressive behavior being passed off as innocuous opinion
The assumption is that this is about oppressive behavior and you're entitled to hold firm in this mindset. The reality is that there's likely a genuine issue here and that issue is happily driven and worsened by these sort of assumptions.
Take some time to read up on the person making the claims. Female CEO of a large news network isn't exactly part of the old boys club.
Offices aren’t filled to the brim with evil people
It depends on what you mean here. If your politics say that LGTBQ+ people don’t deserve to live, that some children just need to die (school lunches being cut), that it’s ok to force raped children to give birth, then, yeah you’reat least a little evil. If you believe that women or people of a different skin color are less than you you’re at least a little evil. Even if you’re a pleasant conversationalist, even if you donate time and money, are kind to children and animals, if you have evil opinions, or support people who do, you are a little evil.
Just to double check, your stance is that a minority should be forced to be cordial with somebody who hates them simply for existing?
Unfortunately for everybody, businesses will need to recruit and retain Gen Z employees. If that means that they have to change their company culture, then that's going to have to happen.
My stance is that the people in this thread, and you, are jumping to hilarious conclusions to justify your continued head-up-assery.
your stance is that a minority should be forced to be cordial with somebody who hates them simply for existing?
Like seriously. Read the article and read what I said. Find where exactly I said this.
Hint: I didn't.
My point is that this inability to debate and handle opinions you don't like extends well beyond dealing with some random bigot.
businesses will need to recruit and retain Gen Z employees. If that means that they have to change their company culture, then that's going to have to happen.
They also need to... do business. They need to have debates and discussion and decide on courses of action when two people feel strongly about how the company should behave, and echo chamber natives are very bad at actually articulating their thoughts and defending their points absent their peers backing them up.
"yes you do have to talk to people you disagree with on a high level"
Your problem is that you're doing the fun game of pretending that "political differences" these days are still in the realms of disagreeing whether quantitative easing is sound economic practice, rather than disagreeing whether trans people should get to exist or not.
If you vote for a party based on their economic policy, and that party happens to be actively recruiting from the ranks of white supremacists, then congratulations: you've just voted at least in part for white supremacy, whether you realised it or not. If you vote for a party currently trying to win votes by campaigning on the grounds of climate change being a hoax, then congratulations, that's exactly what you voted for.
They need to have debates and discussion and decide on courses of action
Essentially all the discussion in this thread so far has basically been focused around being outspoken against bigotry, so I'd be really interested what industry you work in where there are transferable skills from lively debates on whether racism is a good thing or not.
What's an example of an opinion you think Bill from accounting could hold that your standard Gen-Z employee would find unacceptable?
Essentially all the discussion in this thread so far has basically been focused around being outspoken against bigotry,
Yeah, because the people in this thread didn't read the article and are making excuses for themselves.
What's an example of an opinion you think Bill from accounting could hold that your standard Gen-Z employee
It literally depends entirely on the people and the company, and the disagreements aren't cross generations exclusively. The point is that Gen Z is not equipped to handle disagreement in general. You all are the ones jumping to pin it on politics that are already by large literally illegal and heavily squeezed out of corporate spaces.
the article is literally just "Gen Z can't hold a difference of opinion" repeated over and over with different phrasing
most people by now understand what that's code for, because the other side understands that giving examples would immediately out them as a bigot
otherwise you'd just, you know, give an example
It literally depends entirely on the people and the company
wow wild that you won't just, you know, give an example
you realise that the narrative of "cancel culture" has been going since long before the pandemic, right? this is the same exact thing just dressed up differently
LOL, no lie. Well, let’s see how that pans out for them socially and in the workplace. We’ll have a Social Darwinism kind of experiment, see who gets along best in the long run.
Social Darwinism- the theory that individuals, groups, and peoples are subject to the same Darwinian laws of natural selection as plants and animals. Now largely discredited, social Darwinism was advocated by Herbert Spencer and others in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and was used to justify political conservatism, imperialism, and racism and to discourage intervention and reform.
I don’t understand why you’re advocating for social darwinism, but it may be my lack of communication skills at fault.
LOL, not that exactly. Just saying that the ability to get along with people, even people with wildly different viewpoints, is a predictor of workplace success.
Actually no, this is not true at all. It’s just that everyone who disagrees with me is either trolling, completely ignorant about basic, objective scientific facts, or is a hate-filled extermist. Our society will surely be destroyed if I pretend even for a second that these awful people’s dangerous views are worth listening to or engaging with or being allowed to exist.
Actually no, this is not true at all. It’s just that everyone who disagrees with me is either trolling, completely ignorant about basic, objective scientific facts, or is a hate-filled extermist. Our society will surely be destroyed if I pretend even for a second that these awful people’s dangerous views are worth listening to or engaging with or being allowed to exist.
Yeah I agree, the guy who thinks I should solve this database file location issue by standardizing the call and making a change in every class we have to prevent future work, but necessitating lots of testing, is a hate-filled extremist.
Obviously my position that we should take the existing structure and write a simple base-class level method to handle it and then assume future edge cases may pop up is the only ethically correct stance. Maybe he’s trolling.
The phrasing of this could be interpreted to sound like your problem isn't that the woman's punishment was too lenient, just that a theoretical guy would have experienced an actual consequence.
It’s also people who brush off inconvenient information because a guy hates all the people they hate and they wish they could have a huge platform to say what he says.
There are multiple things. Part of it is that they never hear of news like this part of it is that "there’s no way he did all of that, the fake news/dwu state/globalists are making things up, because they are scared of him. And for the remaining: “yeah, dauber he did it, but democrats are already doing it/would do it if they had a chance”.
Y’know, I watched enough kids get shuttled to-and-from school in Chelsea tractors by their onni-present parents that I could actually believe this is a trend. Kids can’t develop resilience if you don’t give them any independence.
In 2015, the West Philly Jim’s location was targeted by armed robbers, who reportedly made off with $215 in cash stolen from the register and customers who were in the store at the time. No injuries were reported in that robbery.
That’s how it is West Philly. Everyone is scared. One time I got in one little fight and my mom made me move to California to stay with my aunt and uncle and their three kids, and I didn’t even get to take a plane.
yeah i was talking about the front lines. US cities aren’t at war and violent crime is largely between people who know eachother or have gang relations
I live in a dense city, it’s pretty safe. Maybe philly is worse but come on, we don’t live in the wild west or the 80s there aren’t just criminals crawling the streets robbing and killing people
If the shop is hiring armed guards then the problem is obviously but enough to warrant that kind of expense. Why would a sandwich shop pay that kind of money if it wasn’t needed.
Whoever posted this, should post in 2 weeks if the fake cop is still posted there. If not, we can know this was PR stunt and well got take for a ride to provide "organic" engagement.
Maybe there’s a degree of truth to this, but the issue doesn’t only apply to Gen Z… I’ve had plenty of overgrown children in their 40s and 50s lose their shit in the workplace when the slightest bit of pushback comes up about anything. I’d say this is more of a general communication skills problem these days
I've seen articles like this before. The answer on why? Money. School districts are underfunded and can't recruit teachers on a shoestring budget.
Hundreds of school systems around the country have adopted four-day weeks in recent years, mostly in rural and western parts of the U.S. Districts cite cost savings and advantages for teacher recruitment,
She has no interest in paying for the child care option the district is offering for $30 per day. Multiplied by several kids, it adds up.
Straight up just cutting services and charging people a surcharge that their taxes already pay for.
The district offers meals on Mondays, but not at every school. Starting in October, struggling students will be able to attend school on Mondays for extra help.
That just sounds like school with extra steps.
“You have to go back and look, you know, what do parents do during the summertime? What do they do over, you know, spring break or Christmas break?” he said, adding that schools already had weekdays off for occasions such as teacher conferences.
They fucking suffer? They pay for summer camp. Or daycare services which are $$$. Or like me in the 90s, you're a latch-key kid. And you end up seriously lacerating yourself at 9yo because you shouldn't leave kids unsupervised.
The change also provides another day to work on family farms
Yeah. Four day schools aren’t this great thing for kids, but ways to be shitty with education funding. I won’t be surprised if, in a decade, all high school classes in one district are taught full remote with the school just being a day care to watch the students.
This absolutely feels like they are trying to add micro transactions to schools to make them more profitable… Fuck that’s horrifying.
People really don’t want to have to pay a fair share towards be part of our small society when they have the bigger one they can play with stuff like this only exists to hurt and squeeze the commoner.
Same. By vote blue crowd, I mean the people that believe you can’t criticize the Democrats because otherwise you’re a MAGA supporter. I call them that due their always vote blue attitude
Not joking, I honestly think some Democratic party members were (understandably) traumatized by Trump being elected and being president, and that (unfortunately) causes them to be hyper-aggressive douchebags when it comes to supporting Biden, which is sort of understandable but also thoroughly exhausting and really does harm to this country by making it difficult for people to discuss why things have continued to get worse under Biden and where improvements need to be made
I think some of us are traumatized by Reddit and Trump. Because for every person offering legit, good faith, well thought out criticism of Biden or the Democratic party (and there are plenty of things to criticize), I could show you about 1000 shills, bots, The Donald magats, and so on, following the alt right playbook like a fucking bible.
You call 'em what you will. Call me one if it feels right. But I don’t see viable options in the short term at this dark point in the nation’s history.
I think long term it is going to have to be a bottom up involvement in politics to maybe try to put the corporate bootlickers in the Democratic party. It’s going to have to be a long fight to fix the judiciary, undo citizens united, fix the corrupt, partisan SCOTUS, reform campaign finance, implement something other than first past the post voting, fix gerrymandering, break up oligopolies, and a million other things. I’m too tired to list it all.
Of course one could argue that centrists aren’t the right folks to fight fascism. And might enable it. Anyway…
I mean, I'm voting for Biden because the Democrats don't seem to want to find better than him.
Unless there's some very radical changes (and not towards more right-wing extremism) in the Republican party, they won't field anyone who will make the country more prosperous. Trump is symptomatic, not an outlier.
I’ve spent most of my life supporting 3rd parties, but with someone like trump trying to destroy democracy and our freedom, I have no choice but to vote for the person best equipped to stop him. If there was a more tolerable republican, I’d consider going back to supporting the end of the 2 party system
I have always felt that way, but we’re so close to the tipping point of our democracy coming irreversibly unraveled that pragmatism is the only rational course for someone that believes in democracy. We should all be single-issue voters if the issue is democracy vs fascism.
Supporting third party candidates at the federal level doesn't mean ending the two-party system... it means you value pride over pragmatism. This has been a problem since long before Trump ever came within a stones throw of the white house.
I value what having more than two parties would bring us... but its delusional to think they can be anything but a spoiler for presidential races, until we do something much further down the chain.
Plurality voting only really works well in two candidate elections. In three candidate elections, you start to frequently run into problems with spoilers.
Because of that, the best performing third parties in countries that use plurality are regional ones. You’ll have local elections where one of the national major parties is functionally a third party.
Trying to oppose the two party system by just voting third party is about as effective as trying to end car dependency by just biking down major stroads. Without changing the underlying environment (e.g. switching to a better voting system or building a protected bike lane), most people won’t follow you.
I remember a state of the union address where he said, “It’s time for Americans to get back to work and fill our great downtowns again,” like people didn’t bust their asses working from home during the pandemic. Small moment but it always really stuck in my mind for showing how he thinks of the commercial property owning class before he thinks about workers.
…this September, Biden reversed course, helping negotiate a deal between railroad bosses and unions that would only grant workers a single paid sick day per year, despite the unions pushing for as many as 15 sick days — a number they were ultimately willing to reduce to as few as four. Now, to avoid a shutdown of the nation’s rail network, he is asking Congress to force that deal on workers who voted to reject it.
"Since then, several other railroad-related unions have also seen success in negotiating for similar sick-day benefits. These 12 unions represent more than 105,000 railroad workers.
“Biden deserves a lot of the credit for achieving this goal for us,” Russo said. “He and his team continued to work behind the scenes to get all of rail labor a fair agreement for paid sick leave.”
So basically he sequestered all the power within his office, and when (not if) that office changes, they lose all they fought for.
Taking power from workers so you can pander to the masses is not a good thing. It erodes the entire fabric of labor rights. It means they have no power to negotiate on their own behalf, and have to wait on the convenience of politicians.
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