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snekerpimp , in If you're feeling left out it's probably because you defend billionaires who would mince you into fertilizer

Wow, this one touched some nerves.

Custoslibera OP ,

I’d recommend posting a tangentially political meme at some point on Lemmy.

The amount of people who will come out of the woodwork to tell you ‘don’t post this’ and ‘don’t make things political’ will really be eye opening.

People don’t want to address systemic issues and think not talking about them is a viable solution.

snekerpimp ,

Just making comments about rich people and their taxes seems to do the same thing here.

Facebones ,

Don’t even have to go THAT far, I get called a commie for saying a 40 hour work week should provide basic shelter these days. 🤷

If we want to live in boring reality, it doesn’t happen a LOT but way more than it should.

Pixelle3D ,

How dare you suggest such a thing!

Facebones ,

Being able to afford rent takes yachts away from starving billionaires!

SuckMyWang ,

Those yachts provide jobs for the yacht builders and yacht operators of the world. Society needs these things far more than other things like basic human rights and dignity

OurToothbrush ,

I mean that was and is a basic communist agitating point, you might be closer to a communist than you think.

Facebones ,

I don’t know if this is supposed to be snarky or not but I’ve accepted a while ago that I’m definitely some version of “leftist.”

I don’t see myself that way necessarily but capitalists are drawing their line in the sand so far to the right that it is what it is lmao

OurToothbrush ,

It was meant to be snarky as in laughing with you not at you.

Facebones ,

Gotcha. I’ve always seen myself as a centrist, not particularly anti capitalist, just into safety nets and less car centric infrastructure.

Nowadays I get called a commie for talking about public transit, I’m a commie for the work comment, list goes on. I don’t buy into your red scare bs guys, if that stuff makes me a commie then I’m a commie les fuckin gooooooo

OurToothbrush ,

Ah, yeah, I used to be a social democrat too, but I did a lot of reading and I came to the conclusion that social democracy isn’t really politically sustainable without the threat of communism, and it really isn’t economically stable in the same way capitalism isn’t as laid out in capital (which is a good read btw, very dense but worth reading for the economic analysis)

Ilovethebomb ,

Yeah, because we don’t particularly fancy being lectured by teenagers on the Internet.

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

You know a lot of us are adults, right?

Lemmy’s userbase is more adults compared to Reddit

Ilovethebomb ,

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  • yogthos ,
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    so you’re saying you do a lot of projecting

    Eldritch ,

    This from the guy on a Leninist instance. Peak irony.

    ThePenitentOne ,

    'You are younger than me and therefore know nothing.' Can't argue with that there.

    Eldritch ,

    Ah the old deflect to a straw man argument. I never insinuated your age.

    snekerpimp ,

    How is a meme a lecture?

    masterflappie ,

    It’s not, this just isn’t a meme

    snekerpimp ,
    Facebones ,

    Where are all of you “NoT a MeMe” types when lazy fascist shit gets posted? 🤔

    IkarusHagen2 ,

    We do want adress systematic issues, just in the right communities. When i visis memes i wanna see funny memes. In dankmemes i wanna see dank memes. In NCD i wanna see non credible military stuff.

    That’s the issue

    adriaan ,

    this was a funny meme to me thanks

    JokeDeity , in Double standards or something, I don't know...

    IMO everyone should leave everyone else the fuck alone and stop trying to be modern empires, but come on man, these are VERY different situations.

    TheBeege , (edited )

    (Edit: what I’m about to say is a good bit wrong, but I’m not going to try and hide my mistakes. This article has a more complete history: independent.co.uk/…/why-israel-and-palestine-conf…)

    I don’t support the violence at all, but this isn’t a (direct) result of imperialism.

    After WW2, the Allies were like, “what do we do with all these Jews? We don’t want them in our countries.” Then they thought, “why not Jerusalem?” But a bunch of Arabs were living there, but the Allies really didn’t want more Jews, so they just dumped them all in modern Israel, told the Arabs this is Jews’ land now, and recognized Israel as a state. Palestine has a right to be pissed. So this isn’t so much an imperialism problem as much as a racism problem.

    But still, Hamas are evil fuckers that take shit too far. Israel definitely is not the good guy and is not helping the situation at all, but this kind of escalation just makes shit worse for everyone.

    loutr ,
    @loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

    “why not Jerusalem?”

    That wasn’t the allies, zionism predates the holocaust by decades, it’s the literal promised land from their stupid fucking religion.

    papel , in Facts dont care about your feelings.

    Democracy is incompatible with power concentration. Excessive wealth easily translates into power, thus, it breaks the balance of any democracy.

    There’s also a saying that “Democracy cannot exist while people are hungry”, because a common complaint is that “poor people vote with their stomachs”.

    coffeebiscuit ,

    And rich people with their wallet.

    Cabunach ,

    I don’t see what makes these things incapable of being present at the same time as democracy.

    Seems like these statements are based on feelings, not actual reasoning.

    FaeDrifter ,

    Let me use an example. Let’s say you’re my partner, and it’s movie night. I give you a choice between two movies: Star Wars, and Harry Potter. However, if you choose Harry Potter for movie night, I will actually break both your hands with a sledgehammer.

    I say I’m giving you a choice, but do you actually have a fair choice?

    Cabunach ,

    I don’t see how that’s an adequate example.

    It seems like you’re making a bad attempt at a caricature instead of actually explaining.

    desconectado ,

    People choose policies that might be beneficial in the short term, but very harmful on the long way. For example, restricting immigration might have a favourable short term impact on wages, but in the long term it will stagnate the economy and pensions schemes, and make people even more poor.

    So… People who are hungry will vote for whatever brings food to their table today, so they don’t really have a choice, because those policies or politicians are not actually on their side, they are just benefiting from the misery of others.

    FaeDrifter ,

    Not even a caricature because getting your hands broken is actually still not as bad as starving to death.

    Tylerdurdon , in Duolingo too

    Looks like a passive aggressive attempt at getting someone to take action, but it failed miserably.

    Blackmist , in chaotic evil is for me

    Put it in the freezer.

    pantlesspatrick ,

    I didn’t know humans are capable of such monstrosity

    Blackmist ,

    Why are you booing me, I’m right!

    Big bread just wants you to throw away bread and buy more.

    Neato ,
    @Neato@kbin.social avatar

    My bread lasts for 1-2 weeks on the counter. Modern science is rad.

    franklin ,
    @franklin@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean freshly baked bread that you put in a bag last week a week or so I know dough conditioners do extend the life but when I throw my bread out it’s usually not because it’s stale because it’s moldy which conditioners don’t really help

    meekah ,
    @meekah@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t usually eat that much bread, so a bag of bread may last me 4 weeks or so. Freezing it is the best option if you toast it anyways. The result is the exact same, except that freezing the bread will make it last essentially forever.

    BirdyBoogleBop ,

    It’s bread. Bread is freezable. Same with cakes. You have definitely eaten defrosted bread and not even known it. You can freeze it 100 times and you won’t be able to tell the difference.

    MBM ,

    It’ll stay fresh much longer

    rockSlayer , (edited )

    Once upon a time when toasters didn’t need high tech computers, it was possible to get a perfectly toasted piece of bread from frozen. There was a bimetallic strip that sensed the temperature of the bread, so it would always be consistent. This made freezing bread much more practical

    Blackmist ,

    My toaster has a snowflake button that just toasts it for a little bit longer.

    I’m not sure why technology hasn’t improved toasters at all, and indeed made them go backwards. I guess the 80s and the age of microchips couldn’t solve everything…

    Doorbook ,

    All the beead in the supermarkets comes from the frozen section. They take a big patch every night for the next day to defrost before adding it to the shelves.

    TORFdot0 ,

    I usually buy bread from Sam’s Club/Cosco and it comes in 2 packs so that’s usually what I do with the extra loaf. I don’t refreeze a loaf or just grab a frozen slice and microwave it or something though. I have standards

    Leviathan ,

    You can just throw a frozen slice in the toaster and you’ll get good at timing whether you want a thawed or toasted slice before you know it.

    zeekaran ,

    This is how I keep an eight pack of burger buns fresh. Also freshly cooked freezes flawlessly.

    foggy , in The race for "Worst Dumpster Fire" is heating up. Everyone place your bets!

    I think Twitter will be the largest fall.

    Like, they went from publicly traded household name, used by news sites everywhere… to… well…

    Lucidlethargy , in Pls help its been on for 5 miles now
    WeirdAlex03 ,
    @WeirdAlex03@lemmy.zip avatar

    Only 6,000 blinks? That’s nothing but a watered-down scam-in-a-bottle preying on the naïve drivers trying to buy blinker fluid for their very first time. It has to be good for AT LEAST 10,000 blinks before I’d even consider putting in my car

    Nfamwap ,

    6,000 blinks in a BMW though. That’s a lifetime supply.

    CoderKat ,

    Hey, where’d you find this? Do they have any that works on the rear blinkers?

    Nails , in They never admit they were just wrong

    No time to talk about that now. Busy moving the goal posts.

    _stranger_ ,

    can’t move goalposts if they’re dead!

    merc ,

    Moving the goalposts suggests that they’re still talking about the same thing. Instead they’ve moved on to a new conspiracy and don’t even remember claiming the lockdowns were going to be permanent.

    In other words:

    “Who cares about lockdowns, that was 2 years ago. What matters is the Biden Crime Family!”

    limelight79 ,

    Remember when the “plandemic” was going to end the day after the 2020 election?

    Nails ,

    Check out INFOWARS (or much better yet check out Knowledge Fight). The ever looming prospect of more lockdowns and the globalist takeover is always coming tomorrow. When it inevitably doesn’t come, it’s because they exposed it.

    Trump gave a speech recently to his army of idiots trying to convince them that the lockdowns will be back just in time to stop them from voting for him.

    merc ,

    That’s why I’m getting my mom (who is a conspiracy nut) to write down her predictions on a calendar, so we can look at them as they all fail to come true.

    ininewcrow , (edited ) in hootenannies
    @ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

    Lol … I’ve been chatting with a nice guy at the supermarket every time I go there. I don’t know him nor do I really want to … he’s just nice and I want to be nice back. I’m a guy, I’m not gay, I was just being nice and friendly. I’m brown indigenous, he’s Indian and I live in a mostly white area so I thought I’d take an extra step to be nice to someone who is different because I know what that feels like.

    Last time I saw him, he answered me back with ‘Why?’ Every time I asked something about his life

    I asked how good his family was … has he been traveling anywhere special lately … what have you been up to?

    I don’t know him and I just wanted to chat about something, anything and at one point I felt strange.

    But he was good about it … I told him I was just wanted to chat … he laughed and said it was alright and we talked for a while.

    The world is getting weird I find and it’s getting harder to just talk to anyone without some form of suspicion between people.

    It was always like that to a degree as far as I can remember (I’m on my 40s) … but I find it seems to be more so these days.

    EDIT: typos

    Promethiel ,
    @Promethiel@lemmy.world avatar

    Keep being you. Fight that feeling one person at a time, we should all follow that example.

    You’re not imagining things, the world is not just “getting weird” but division is sown our way from a multitude of places for their own profits and agendas.

    Yet, we must be silenced. The people can not be allowed to speak. Even as dystopia gives the diseased members of the species ever more powerful and abstract tools to divide us, they still fear us talking.

    That’s because what you’re doing is literally all it takes to begin eroding the artificial pen walls. We’re made to communicate and tell each other stories, that’s deeply ingrained.

    What we’re losing slowly and globally is our sense of cohesion. Neighbor to neighborhood, resident to city, citizen to country, human to human.

    All of our innate mental structures that trend towards “making it all work, no matter who is helped because it helps me too” are constantly being twisted and attacked. But we are what we are, so keep fighting the good fight.

    ininewcrow ,
    @ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

    Thanks for the encouragement and reassurance … I have a lot of dark ideas of the future of this world and a lot of anger, resentment and disappointment at humanity … but I do hold out hope, especially towards any human being near me.

    I will keep fighting … I will keep holding on to connecting to my fellow man and woman … but at the same time I do remain pessimistic and disappointed. I like people … but I have a different view of society as a whole.

    CouldntCareBear , in bit of a hot take

    Am I the only one who thinks this is funny? It’s a joke people.

    ExplosiveLynx ,

    You mean c/memes isn’t the place for serious political discussion?

    Agent641 ,

    Private Minecraft servers are the best place to plan and practice terrorist attacks.

    floofloof ,

    Except when the top half of the World Trade Center just stays hanging in the air.

    lugal ,

    Google “How to Blow up a Pipeline” by Andreas Malm

    Viking_Hippie ,

    I’m PRETTY sure that’s a “incognito mode and several kinds of privacy guarding software” kind of search better suited for a search engine that isn’t also a US government contractor 😄

    lugal ,

    Honestly, it’s a very known and discussed book within the climate justice movement and won’t put you on any list. Btw: there is also a movie on archive.org I think.

    And I mean to google in a general sense, not necessarily on the page with the same way.

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Yeah, I actually knew all that (except for the last one, which I halfway expected), but I can seldom resist feigning ignorance for a joke 😉

    PolyLlamaRous ,

    Is it? Is it really? Should it be?

    Meowoem ,

    Am I the only person who remembers how we already decided that some jokes are very dangerous? You get some impressionable twenty something thinking everyone is serious…

    intelati ,

    checks community name

    If they think memes are factual, they need better life skills/Education

    boonhet , in Be the change you want to see!

    My university actually hosts NextCloud for faculty and students to use. It’s nice to see!

    xusontha OP ,

    Wow, really! That’s amazing! I love hearing things like that!

    Cfrolich ,

    Which university?

    boonhet ,
    Apollo2323 ,

    Let me guess is a university in Europe?

    boonhet ,

    Yup - Taltech

    The_Picard_Maneuver , in This is all a moo point
    @The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

    This is just the right amount of clever and dumb that I love it.

    SturgiesYrFase ,
    @SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

    I legit thought this was one of yours

    ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

    Ken Adams!

    pimento64 , in stop it Joe

    “Well, everybody except for political dissidents, minorities, Jews, anyone who openly disagrees with me, and anyone I suspect of privately disagreeing with me”.

    Batman ,

    Anyone with a disability as well

    pimento64 ,

    disability

    Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa calm down with the russophobic, sinophobic, orientalist, reactionary liberal rhetoric, pal. The preferred term is “antisocial parasite”.

    OurToothbrush , (edited )

    Well everyone except minorities, Jews

    First off, sus as fuck that you said minorities and then “Jews”

    Second off, the non-Russian SSRs vote at higher rates to remain the USSR during the referendum that reaffirmed that the citizens of the USSR wanted the USSR to stay together before the undemocratic dissolution of the USSR? While there were excesses and passive russification was a problem, minorities generally liked the USSR.

    pimento64 ,

    Concern trolling attempt: detected and denied
    Sealioning attempt: detected and denied
    Forum sliding attempt: detected and denied

    Failure level: embarrassing
    50 Yuan: NOT deposited

    Best be on your way now.

    OurToothbrush ,

    +5 FICO score

    TheLurker ,

    Doesn’t work that way ya brain dead tankie drone.

    But guess what does? Ya tankie social credit score. Sooo, projection much?

    OurToothbrush , (edited )

    But guess what does? Ya tankie social credit score. Sooo, projection much?

    This is funny because social credit score is for businesses, and is a good thing. The west literally projects the credit score fear of the average US prole onto something that is meant to encourage businesses not to throw waste in rivers.

    Also calling me a drone. First off, youre the one parroting the mainstream opinion. Second off, dehumanizing communists is right in line with scratched liberals. Commies were the first in the nazi concentration camps, dontchaknow.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    Commies were the second. They went after transexuals and homosexuals first. There are just a lot more commies than queer folk.

    TheLurker ,

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    What, you are serious?

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    OurToothbrush , (edited )

    Did you not know? There is even a Wikipedia article on it, although it messes up some of the context.

    …m.wikipedia.org/…/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum

    Roundcat ,
    @Roundcat@lemmy.ca avatar

    Reminder to all my queer friends that homosexuality was criminalized under Stalin’s regime, and was not repealed until the Soviet Union collapsed.

    OurToothbrush ,

    Friendly reminder that that was the standard at the time.

    For example, when Germany reunified lgbt people in East Germany lost all their rights.

    Roundcat , (edited )
    @Roundcat@lemmy.ca avatar

    Oh so we’re applying the founding fathers owning slaves justification to queer persecution? Guess it’s okay when everyone else is doing it.

    Then again nevermind. I’m used to having our history downplayed by conservatives and reactionaries, including the ones that cosplay in red.

    OurToothbrush , (edited )

    We have no choice but to keep an even more violent system because people who tried a less violent system were sometimes as homophobic as was standard at the time in most places.

    Let us ignore the fact that the small island nation of Cuba has the best lgbt rights in the world. Let’s ignore the fact that socialism most directly helped the poorest and most vulnerable of gay and trans people with their economic equalization in ways that “progressive” dictatorships of the bourgeoisie still don’t. Let’s ignore the fact that lgbt rights in the west were won by movements full of radical queer communists, not given out of the benevolence of capitalism.

    TheLurker ,

    Fucking wrong again you tankie parasite. Decriminalisation of Homosexuality:

    France 1871 - Canada 1969 - Australia 1984 - New Zealand 1986 - West Germany 1968 - United Kingdom 1967 - United States 1962 (Started and varies by state).

    So again you are full of shit you tankie shill.

    OurToothbrush ,

    parasite

    Just call me untermensch, I know you want to you scratched liberal.

    The US nationally decriminalized being gay in 2003. Fuck all the way off with US 1962.

    I know there are no tone indicators over the internet so you missed the exaggeration so I’ll say it again without the initial exageration- east german lgbt people lost a lot of rights during reunification

    rbhfd ,

    I’ll bite.

    What kind of rights did they lose?

    The only thing I can find is the equal age of consent for same-sex relations vs hetero relations: 1988 in DDR and 1994 in Germany post unification.

    Seems like a stretch to conclude that communist states were more LGBTQ-friendly based on this 6 year difference.

    Look into which countries allow same-sex marriage. The only communist country that allows it now is Cuba. They legalized it almost one year ago!

    That being said, communism vs capitalism is an economic discussion. It doesn’t necessarily say anything about social issues.

    OurToothbrush ,

    They straight up had state sponsored gay bars and there was a massive state sponsored education campaign on lgbt people. During reunification they also lost massive economic gains, along the same line as what “why women had better sex under socialism” talks about.

    Economics issues and social issues can’t be isolated. Homeless queer youth are affected by economic policies.

    The only communist country that allows it now is Cuba. They legalized it almost one year ago!

    Tbf marriage isn’t as much of a priority given what rights marriage grants in Cuba. Cuba has been doing SRS for free since 2009 and has sponsored massive education and anti-bigotry campaigns. Gay marriage is important but not that important compared to a bunch of other issues.

    _number8_ , in Most Metal Stage of the Pandemic

    i loved the parts where it felt like we were examining all of our social norms and skipping the ones that were dumb and pointless. but now everything has to be just as dumb and shitty as before for no reason [no social safety net allowed, WFH bad, etc]

    Patches ,

    There absolutely are reasons. They just aren’t reasons you agree with.

    The oncoming commercial real estate collapse is a big one. You just don’t give a dick about it. And neither does anyone here.

    can ,

    I’ve been priced out of real estate, why the fuck should I care?

    Zhao ,

    Real estate is a rich people problem now and I hope they’re having a fucking crisis.

    JesusLikesYourButt ,

    Yeah, that’s prime schadenfreude for me personally.

    Gabu ,

    Nobody with a brain gives a shit about it, because it SHOULD happen. Land isn’t a commodity to hold and rent, even the fathers of capitalism thought so.

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Now everything has to be as dumb shitty as before for no reason

    Just as I thought I was out of having to shake the hands of twenty people when arriving at a family party, they PULL ME BACK IN! Some of them literally!

    TheRealLinga , in Remember to tuck in your EV at night or it might get angry 😡🔥

    This feels like some alt-right anti EV car propaganda

    Timecircleline ,

    To me it looks like a training excercise. Electric car fires are different from ICE fires

    rcmaehl OP ,
    @rcmaehl@lemmy.world avatar

    Yep. This was from a manufacturers video. Just the idea of a fire blanket was a bit funny for me as it’s just not something you’d think of.

    Pyr_Pressure ,

    You’d need a big blanket for a Tesla semi

    rcmaehl OP ,
    @rcmaehl@lemmy.world avatar

    Biggest of bois are the biggest of sleepers

    Fiivemacs ,

    Or, reality. Wait till things really start getting hot globally and the battery manufacturing is sold to the lowest bidder for more ceo profit. I personally have no issues with Evs, but knowing how batteries fail…Esh…it’s a very spicy pillow

    pipe01 ,

    Wait until you find out how a tank of gasoline fails

    BruceTwarzen ,

    Not as bad, not as long and it's extinguishable.

    CADmonkey ,

    Fire departments across the US have the tools and chemicals on hand to deal with a gasoline fires.

    Electric cars are fairly new (that Baker from 1910 doesn’t count, because it had lead-acid batteries and nobody drives one) and aren’t as common as ICE cars, so fire departments haven’t all caught up. Outside of huge cities I imagine a fire department doesn’t have the equipment to deal with a battery fire.

    pipe01 ,

    Yeah fair enough, hopefully with time this will be less of an issue

    Absolutemehperson ,

    Just spray it with water!

    hackris ,

    Wait until you see a gas tank spontaneously combust (you won’t). The same way you won’t see a gas tank explode when overfilling it or puncturing it.

    JohnDClay ,

    Except you totally would. If you punctured a gas tank, it’ll get gasoline on hot components that’ll cause it to ignite.

    Saik0Shinigami ,
    @Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com avatar

    Do you think the gas tank is IN the engine bay or something? The hottest thing underneath a gas tank might be the exhaust… The ignition temp of gas is something like 500F/260C… Without spark… it’s not going to happen just out of the blue. An Exhaust CAN get that hot… But under most normal uses, basically all normal cars won’t get that hot (racecars and other “performance cars” probably will get hotter than the ignition temp of Gasoline).

    JohnDClay ,

    I was thinking in terms of a crash or a huge object intrusion. That’ll be pushing all sorts of things to places they’re not supposed to go, such as hot break pads or even parts of the other car.

    Just like in normal operation you wouldn’t be able to catch a gas tank on fire by puncturing it, you wouldn’t get a puncture on a battery either in normal operation. It’s the extreme crash scenarios you need to worry about. Both batteries and gasoline are very energy dense and potentially dangerous. And both have a lot of mitigation strategies to keep them from being a hazard. Batteries aren’t inherently lots more dangerous like the original comment seemed to be implying.

    Saik0Shinigami ,
    @Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com avatar

    you wouldn’t get a puncture on a battery either in normal operation.

    Batteries at this point are almost universally the base of the car… It’s not hard for debris on the road to kick up and puncture the underside of a car.

    A fuel tank would simply leak it all out… Unless there was a spark. A battery cell being exposed to air will self-immolate. It all depends on how it’s packaged… Which we’re learning in the Florida hurricane here… They’re not that well packaged…

    JohnDClay ,

    That’s why they have a thick belly pan. It’s all mitigation.

    hackris ,

    There is nothing hot under the gas tank. Just the exhaust, which is not hot enough to ignite the gas. Also, the car in the picture seems like it was stationary. Please tell me, how anything in a combustion engine vehicle could be hot enough after about an hour.

    CADmonkey ,

    No.

    I’ve worked on too many crappy old cars to belive this. First of all, the gas tank is on the other end of the car from the engine unless you’re driving a Trabant. It’s possible to have a fuel line rupture in the engine bay, but if that happens basically every gas or diesel car has this magical thing that happens - turn the key off, and the fuel pump stops running, so you’re not spraying an entire gas tank on a fire. If the gas tank itself is punctured, you don’t get a fire unless you’re literally lying under it with a lit match.

    I’ve had two motorcycles break a fuel line while running, and one of them had a gravity fed fuel system - so the gas DID keep flowing out of the tank. It didn’t catch fire, and I only noticed when the engine stopped. Another one DID catchtank, when the gas spilled on the hot exhaust (and it was a 24 year old bike, not a nearly new Tesla) and I put it out with the contents of an outdoor ash tray. (sand and rainwater)

    So gas won’t ignite when you puncture the tank without an ignition source. But stick an ice pick (or part of the car you’ve hit) through the battery, and it will light off on its own. I want more EVs, I’d like one myself, but people like you posting easily disprovable things about EVs just look silly and hold everyone back.

    Yummy3343 ,

    Have you never heard of the Ford Pinto

    Fiivemacs ,

    The tank doesn’t just explode when it fails…still needs ignition but ok

    Robin ,

    Batteries don’t explode either. It’s just a really hard to extinguish fire.

    Fiivemacs ,

    They can spontaneously combust, so near close to explode.

    KaiReeve ,

    This is already happening in Florida after the hurricane flooded some Teslas. Apparently lithium ion batteries don’t like salt water.

    An aside: I support EVs and a renewable future. It’s important that we acknowledge and address these issues in this early stage of adoption. Also, call your senator and have them support the Motorcycle Parity Act so I can afford a Livewire S2.

    Barbarian ,
    @Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I have issues with EVs. People are acting like this is the cure for climate change when they’re almost as bad for the environment as conventional cars when you include the environmental cost of manufacturing and the energy mix of the grid that powers them.

    Why can’t we be sensible and invest in trains, trams, subways and bicycle infrastructure rather than engaging in techno-fetishism?

    Zetta ,

    Um they are not almost as bad as ICE vehicles. Even including emissions during manufacturing it still only takes a handful of years for most EVs to be more environmentally friendly than an ICE vehicle.

    JohnDClay ,

    Exactly. It depends on your local energy mix, but I think it’s better after like 4 years worst case scenario. Here’s a video we with more info. youtu.be/6RhtiPefVzM?si=tNZr23eRFk41jQ7a

    Cars will still have more emissions than busses or trains, especially electric, so we should invest in those.

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    bloodfart ,

    It takes at least decade for the carbon from manufacturing to be offset by the lack of emissions from the ev’s daily operation.

    Assuming zero carbon electricity generation used in the ev. Local electricity mix will adjust that number up.

    If you really want to have a bad time: we don’t have enough lithium to replace even half the cars currently on the road, not counting all the other uses for it aside from ev batteries.

    The only two ways out of this are fewer cars or fewer people. When someone suggests the latter path, be sure to ask them who and why.

    JohnDClay ,

    It depends on your local energy mix, but I think it’s better after like 4 years worst case scenario. Here’s a video we with more info. youtu.be/6RhtiPefVzM?si=tNZr23eRFk41jQ7a

    Cars will still have more emissions than busses or trains, especially electric, so we should invest in those.

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    Fiivemacs ,

    This.

    Uvine_Umbra , (edited )
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    Threy don’t assist in producing smog so improved air quality and are much quieter.

    Besides, all of those things are already being produced where they will be profitable.

    Tampa just dropped their tram line project because they couldn’t save enough money. They’re replacing them with buses.

    Brightline is getting ready to open their Orlando line & planning one to Jacksonville & Tampa.

    Like hear me out: what we need is Full Self-driving ride sharing so ppl don’t have to own a car to get anywhere they want. Just call a self-driving taxi & go to work. This would make trains more convenient too (would always have a cheap “rental car” ready at each stop so people are less-incentivized to take the highway) and significantly decrease the amount of cars overall.

    Barbarian ,
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    While I do agree that smog reduction is a legitimate and major plus, the point about profitability is weird. Are highways profitable? If yes due to increased economic activity, then I can make the same argument for other infrastructure. It’s not about profitability, it’s about political will.

    Self-driving taxis might work if city run, but if privately run it’s going to be Uber all over again, where they come into the market cheaply to kill competition and then spike the price as high as it can go. That would kill any incentive to use the service rather than own your own, for those that can afford it.

    With full self driving, there’s still major legal hurdles involved. If a self-driving car kills someone, who’s to blame? The driver not driving? The programmers? The company? It’s a serious issue that I think will kill the whole concept.

    Uvine_Umbra , (edited )
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    First, to highways. Tell me, is rail maintenance profitable? How about for maglevs or retrofitted bus networks?

    It’s an expense, it will always be an expense. That’s an expense that will just have to be paid (as if it would disappear anyways, semi-trucks aren’t about to disappear).

    The service would open up thousands of dollars to people who no longer need to pay for cars & allow those who were economically disadvantaged by not being able to afford one to be able to take advantage. After all, you could pay for a $120 pass per month (no insurance, maintenance, etc.) Or if you drive comparatively little per month like 15 miles (I looked up the info & did some math), they’d be able to do $60 a month or get this: $0.13 cents per mile.

    Another thing, profitability is one of the greatest determinants of political will. Innumerable projects have died once the political will was burned out by the hefty price tag. If uber has shown anything, that will would not die in my idea.

    Second, much regional travel would now happen via train and buses as train networks expand to inter-city lines and buses take up high density locations. The logic is simple: Why do you drive the highway in the first place? It’s usually to drive 45 minutes to 1 hour to a job site or college/ school or that rare shopping trip or even friends correct? Some trips may only take 5 minutes, some may have to go 2-3 hours. My idea allows for more greater carpooling. If the uber computers saw that a location had many people coming together to go to a single location, the vehicle used could swap to a bus of various sizes and the app or via phonecall or whatever menhod of communication, you could choose the carpool option which would allow you to walk up to 5 minutes to a hailed bus which would allow the riders in and take them to a list of nearby destinations. Of course this bus would be manned by a driver, but that would be more than offset by the extensive amount of people taking that bus to the designated area. Unlike uber, the bus driver would be a worker for the company & paid for managing the travels, not usually having to drive themselves if ever. A pretty nice job no?

    As for actual cities (Cape coral is not a city, nor is 90% of the USA), they are going to go the way of ebikes, bus public transport, trams, trains, etc. as before as the place densifies via infill development like today and everyone who wants their suburbs will be happy and those who want dense cities will be happy.

    As for the legal hurdles, that would be easy: Uber would have to pay if their vehicle fucked up, but that would just be another small expense as uber could sue hundreds of thousands of people who would drive like idiots and crash into their FSD vehicles. A FSD car would have a MUCH lower chance of causing an accident versus a human afterall.

    If the car was proven to be in human control mode at that time, it is the responsibility of the driver of the FSD car. They are the one who crashed it afterall.

    If the crash was proven by something like a black box in the car or the log to be because of a software error, it’s the cost to the company who wrote the software.

    Poor maintenance? Uber.

    And to those who own a car? They’d have to share the cost of all the people crashing into FSD cars via insurance fees which would discourage direct car ownership for all but the rich much further.

    That question had very little thought put into it.

    This made me think about people puking in the car, the app & car itself could offer a button to state if the car would be in good condition, needs cleaning, awful, something like that. AND NOTHING WOULD BE CHARGED. This would discourage people to lie, and could even incur a “lying fee” if the vehicle is heavily damaged before the person says the car is good via app to disincentivise lying.

    Finally, to answer your centralization question: the era of easy cheap loans is over, killed by Covid. The old days of deficit spending until the next venture capital investment are dead.

    Regardless, there are 2 directions this could go in my opinion: 1 is being treated like public transportation. The other is apps like Expedia which centralize various local & regional services for travel.

    Yes, there would be big companies that form over all this, but it feels like it would take a lot of capital to enter but it would be in the hundreds of millions, so regional companies could compete in many places alongside the heavyweights for ridership & approval.

    Long story short: Highways are an expense, but they will not be expanded by charging people for taking them, saving lots of infrastructure money and encouraging train usage. From the next city, you could just hail one of the uber cars afterall. The system would save each individual person by giving many of the advantages of a car and allowing buses a chance to regain popularity while socializing maintenance costs and the like to all users of the service. This would make car ownership an expensive luxury item versus the necessity it is today for many people and give opportunities to those economically disadvantaged without them having to move. Best part? Cities would not need it. They would focus on trams, buses, subways, etc to manage their local density while not needing the additional parking.

    A North American solution to a North American problem

    Barbarian ,
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    A North American solution to a North American problem

    Sorry to be so blunt, but I think that handily sums up your entire comment. US and Canadian city and infrastructure planning seems ridiculously bad, from what I’ve read.

    Uvine_Umbra , (edited )
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    Oh I don’t mind the bluntness.

    And believe me, if is, it bloody effing is, but there are many people who just want the suburb way of life to be accessible to them & hate the cost, while others want dense cities.

    This is a way to help both sides get what they want and saves everyone here individually thousands of dollars and as a nation (looking at the USA) potentially 2+ trillion dollars a year while throwing away additional money.

    Why not?

    Rivalarrival ,

    With full self driving, there’s still major legal hurdles involved. If a self-driving car kills someone, who’s to blame? The driver not driving? The programmers? The company? It’s a serious issue that I think will kill the whole concept.

    The same entity that is responsible when an industrial machine malfunctions and kills someone. The same entity that is responsible when a light falls from the ceiling and hits a member of the audience, or a plane’s engine falls off and lands in someone’s house. Responsibility could fall on the engineer who designed the machine, or the installer who put in the lights, or the maintainer who failed to perform required inspections, or the operator of the facility, or the owner of the equipment.

    It really isn’t a complicated issue, it just hasn’t been investigated and brought to the courts yet. The plaintiffs will be pointing the finger at the entity with the most money; the defendants will be pointing at the plaintiffs if they can, and at their co-defendants if they can’t.

    Zetta ,

    All but the highest end EVs will likely switch to a LiFePO4 battery chemistry, this chemistry is much more stable under destructive conditions and are less prone to combustion and thermal runaway.

    nxdefiant ,

    And the only penalty is about a 10% energy density loss. The chemistry also charges / discharges on a very flat curve, which means it’s not sufficient to monitor voltage levels and temperature to know the current charge state, you have to also monitor power-in / out and time and make a best guess, which requires semi regular calibration.

    The upside is that you can always charge to 100% and it has almost triple (I think) duty cycles compared to traditional liOn

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