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guts ,

White people.

PotatoesFall ,

not really imo.

As a race white ppl have done a lotta bad shit globally. Of course that is not the fault of an individual white person. And sure, sometimes people forget about that last part and treat white people different which is racist. But then again non whites deal with way more racism, so I’m not complaining

guts ,

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  • blindsight ,

    It’s not racism to identify white privilege/historical harms from pro-white racism.

    guts ,

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  • blindsight ,

    They’re literal statements about facts and events that have transpired.

    The only way this could be framed as racism is if you deny that white privilege exists and/or that there have been no harms from white supremacy.

    If that’s what you’re claiming, then I suppose that means it would be racist to say the opposite. You’d be completely, egregiously incorrect, but at least that would be an internally consistent worldview. That’s such a ridiculous stance to take that the only logical explanation is that you’re trolling.

    whogivesashit ,

    Nah, you’re just dumb as fuck actually

    guts ,

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  • fruitycoder ,

    Race isn’t even a good social construct. No doubt people have done truely aweful th8ngs for “the white race” but it doesn’t and never has helped the majority of people stuck in that construct.

    adorable_yangire ,
    @adorable_yangire@lemmy.world avatar

    new generation of white folk arent to be hated really, but older generations of them tend to be well, let just say not so nice at heart at times.

    fruitycoder ,

    Libertarians

    Socialists

    But even more so libertarian socialists

    I’ve just using that label because it was just a guerenteed fight starter instead of clarifying anything

    Cowbee ,

    Libertarian Capitalists get hate correctly, others not so much.

    Omega_Haxors ,

    Last major Libertarian Socialist just got outed for having porn of a horse ----ing a child. If that doesn’t sum up the ideology IDK what does.

    rwhitisissle ,

    Pit-bulls. Most of their bad reputation comes from organizations that campaign against their very existence and people will quote pit-bull bite statistics with the same lack of irony as a white nationalist quoting FBI crime statistics about people of color.

    EssentialCoffee ,

    Okay, I’m trying to understand your argument here. Are you saying that pitbulls are being racially profiled and that information from other dogs aren’t being collected or that bites of the same severity by other dogs aren’t being correctly gathered or are bring suppressed? And, if so, what are the factors that should be taken into account when discussing dog bites or dog aggression?

    evasive_chimpanzee ,

    I think the reason they are making that comparison is that there are a lot of other factors that feed into the final numbers. Crime stats aren’t a final determination of the inherent criminality of different groups of people. Things like poverty, arrest rates, and conviction rates all skew the numbers.

    With pit bulls, people often get them because they want a dog that’s “tough” and they essentially train (or don’t train) them to be bad dogs. The dog itself isn’t at fault.

    Anyone who’s been around a lot of dogs will tell you that small dogs are more bitey. The fact that a pit bull is stronger and can do more damage is also not the dogs fault.

    puppy ,

    Anyone whos been around a lot of dogs will tell you that small dogs are more bitey.

    There you go, thats exactly the point. But they aren’t killing any babies. Pitbulls were bred for fighting. People have Tigers and Lions as pets too. Is that also justified?

    The fact that a pit bull is stronger and can do more damage is also not the dogs fault.

    Of course it’s not the dog’s fault. It is just an animal. It’s the breeders’ and the owners’ fault. Nobody is advocating for euthanasing Pitbulls. Maybe just get a Golden Retriever if you’re just looking for a pet next time.

    rwhitisissle ,

    Nobody is advocating for euthanasing Pitbulls.

    There are a shitload of people who advocate for completely destroying this breed of dog.

    puppy ,

    Yes, the breed should be distroyed. But not the poor living animals. We should simply stop breeding more of them. Pitbulls are a freak of nature created for the amusement of humans.

    rwhitisissle ,

    I mean, dog breeding is in general terribly inhumane. All dogs should ideally be mutts. They’d certainly all be healthier and have a better quality of life.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    What do you think happens to all the unadopted pitbulls, pizza parties every Friday? Nope, it’s euthanasia.

    TruthAintEasy ,
    @TruthAintEasy@kbin.social avatar

    The real difference is pitbulls bite to kill, most other dogs dont. Any dog can get triggered, but certain breeds like bullies and dogos, ridgbacks, they bite to kill. It is as instinctual as a pointer pointing or a sheep dog herding.

    Just watch a lot of footage of a shepard attacking a human vs a pitbull. The shepard generally goes for the arm or leg and the bully drags you down so it can go for the face and neck.

    Heck, one time when I was driving a bully charged my van! I was doing 50km and he charged out, and bashed into my door! I didnt stop, and it didnt seem hurt it just went after the car behind me....

    rwhitisissle ,

    The other user who responded to you, @evasive_chimpanzee, does a good job of analyzing the core idea here. To quote Benjamin Disraeli, there’s lies, damn lies, and statistics. Black people are no more “innately inclined towards criminality” than a pit-bull is innately inclined towards mauling people. Where people of color have been historically over policed, profiled by the criminal justice system, and generally set up to have a higher rate of criminal statistics than other ethnic groups, pit-bulls face similar statistical problems. Bite statistics are often self-reported by people who either witnessed a dog attack or who were themselves victims of one. Identifying a dog’s breed by sight, especially for mixed breed dogs, is nearly impossible, and more error prone than accurate. And for a pound, any “big dog with a blocky head” immediately gets labeled as a pit-bull, even if it has literally no pit-bull DNA. These dogs are routinely adopted by people who explicitly train a dog to be mean to people, as opposed to socializing them. The fact that they also have this reputation as guard dogs or attack dogs exacerbates their reputation.

    binomialchicken ,

    I already suggested this in another comment, but you can easily apply a thought experiment here. Magically replace all white people with black people with the same upbringing: does crime go up, down, or basically stay the same? Magically replace all pitbulls with chihuahuas with the same upbringing: do maulings go up, down, or basically stay the same?

    Couldn’t tell the cops if the mugger was white or black? Pretty understandable. Couldn’t tell the cops if the dog that bit you was a chihuahua or a pitbull? Really?

    Any “big dog with a blocky head” should be banned from breeding or sale, and nobody who agrees with that statement cares about DNA. It is a matter of public safety and it doesn’t matter that humans are the real problem, because humans are notoriously hard to control. The pitbulls and similar breeds we have today deserve all the love and comfort we can give them now, but they shouldn’t be bred into the future because there is no legitimate reason to own one except for its potential for violence and flatulence-scapegoating.

    rwhitisissle ,

    Couldn’t tell the cops if the dog that bit you was a chihuahua or a pitbull? Really?

    Because those are the two dog breeds that exist. Pitbull and Chihuahua. There are no others.

    cali_ash ,

    Everyone knows the FBI is in the pocket of big-chihuahua.

    Brad ,

    *little chihuahua

    xkforce ,

    I worked as an insurance agent. In the states I had my P&C licenses in, we were legally required to base rates on data. i.e statistically how much the company paid out in claims given certain factors. One of the things we based rates on was the breeds of dog people owned. Pitbulls and certain other dog breeds do not just have a bad reputation because people irrationally fear/hate them, they actually do pose a greater risk. Just like teenagers by and large, aren’t as safe drivers. It isn’t “fair” in that the dog didn’t choose to be the breed it is and some of them really are good dogs but statistically, averaged over the whole, they are more of a risk than other dog breeds are.

    rwhitisissle ,

    One of the things we based rates on was the breeds of dog people owned. Pitbulls and certain other dog breeds do not just have a bad reputation because people irrationally fear/hate them, they actually do pose a greater risk.

    This is a classic example of someone observing a statistical correlation between specific factors and using that to assert a direct causal relationship between them. It implies that an insurance agency is able to 1) accurately identify every single breed of dog in every single insurance related incident (which is definitely not the case, because I doubt every insurance company is doing genetic testing on every single dog it comes across) and 2) tie a causal relationship between dog breed and incident. If I were going by typical insurance metrics, and to borrow from your analogy of “teenagers as unsafe drivers,” you would also assume that red Camarros, something more expensive to insure than your more conservative sedan, were statistically more dangerous than, say, a white Civic, as if they were what caused their drivers to get into car accidents, as opposed to young, reckless people interested in a fast sports car to simply go out and buy one. These are people who would be reckless behind the wheel of any car, but who are statistically correlated with a particular type of one. But you still mark the red Camaro as more expensive to insure regardless of who buys it because it’s statistically correlated with a higher degree of accidents.

    xkforce ,

    These are multibillion dollar companies (actually they insure trillions in assets) whose whole job is to be very very good at assessing risk. You thinking you know better is peak Dunning-Krueger.

    rwhitisissle , (edited )

    “If a big corporation says something is one way, it must be so. They have a lot of money, after all.” Your argument is peak “Argument to Authority.” I guess it’s a good thing those insurance companies like AIG were able to effectively assess their degree of risk exposure in the housing markets in 2008 and avoid collapsing when the housing market imploded. Oh, wait…

    xkforce , (edited )

    OMFG there is no evil conspiracy by USAA and every other insurance company against pitbulls JFC. Pitbulls are just statistically much more dangerous than other animals.

    rwhitisissle ,

    They’re statistically correlated with incidents of mauling. Nobody is denying the statistical correlation. But there is a difference between observing a statistical correlation between breed and maulings and asserting a causal relationship. My argument is that the assertion that “pit-bulls are innately, biologically predisposed towards violence against people and other animals” is not supported by meaningful evidence. If you are arguing that they are, then you’re gonna have to convince me with more than “insurance companies say they are.”

    binomialchicken ,

    Quick thought experiment - magically replace every pitbull in the world with a chihuahua instead. Do the number of maulings go up or down?

    rwhitisissle ,

    The number of maulings would go down even if you replaced every Golden Retriever with a chihuahua. Replacing every member of a particular breed of dog capable of mauling someone with a member of a breed incapable of it would always cause a reduction in instances. Maybe you think we should go around Old Yellering every Golden Retriever in the world, just to be safe?

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Question: Does his company factor FBI crime stats into it too? Why not? “Despite being 12% of the population black people commit 50% of crime” and suddenly now since it’s optically bad to charge black people higher rates “causation only equals correlation when we can’t be called racist for it?”

    That shit don’t sit right with me tbh.

    And what about German Shepherds that have bit 11 secret service agents? Secretly pits? Hating pits but not other large breeds is frankly silly imo (unless you hate black people too because the only important thing ever is statistics). At least hate Chows too, since they’re arguably more aggressive, and German Shepherds, Presas, Boxers, Rotts, etc. Shit at the very least German Shepherds were the Nazis dogs and they’re the ones the cops use now, and they’re “not” “bred to attack” over pits? Come off it.

    howrar ,

    No one is ascribing any casual links here.

    rwhitisissle ,

    The causal link is implied. When someone says “Pitbulls and certain other dog breeds do not just have a bad reputation because people irrationally fear/hate them, they actually do pose a greater risk,” this is another way of saying that a particular breed of dog is innately more dangerous than another. Not that it has the potential to be more dangerous, but objectively is. The only logical deduction from this statement is that there must be something about the animal’s breed that makes it this way. It’s literally the exact same logic used by people who cite FBI crime statistics in order to paint specific entire ethnic groups as innately “more criminal” than another ethnic group.

    ULS ,

    How many owners are morons that wanted cool mean dog though. I’ve known dog owners that get those breeds specifically and they have no understanding of how to treat a dog. Like they’ll get a working dog and an cage it all day then wonder why it’s aggressive. I’d like to know the difference. Because too many people get dogs for looks and don’t actually give a fuck a about the dogs soul.

    Sorry if I come off aggressive, I just talk like that… I’m genuinely curious about this.

    rwhitisissle ,

    How many owners are morons that wanted cool mean dog though.

    This is sort of my point. A pit bull that’s socialized, well trained, and cared for is generally very safe to be around. A pit bull that has the opposite kind of life? Well, what kinda dog wouldn’t be an asshole under those circumstances?

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Sure but then the problem is moron owners, not the dog or it’s breed. Those morons could be just as cruel to a German Shepherd, Boxer, Rottweiler, Presa Canario, Bullmastiff, etc. Nature vs Nurture I guess.

    BonesOfTheMoon ,

    I don’t hate the breed or agree with breed bans but both my niece and my friend’s daughter were badly bitten by pits and they do make me nervous.

    fruitycoder ,

    I’m this way with German Shepherd s . I live dogs, Ive had big dogs, I met plenty of friendly Sheperds, but both my mom and I have been bite by 3 different ones (over our lifetimes). Now I am on edge around them.

    BonesOfTheMoon ,

    The one in my neighbourhood jumps all over me. I am also a bit on edge, although most of it seems to be goofiness.

    sxan ,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    Blockchain. Most of the people who have this hate don’t know how it works in even the most gross sense, believe that it and cryptocurrencies are the same thing, and have a visceral, knee-jerk reaction when they’re mentioned, without being able to explain why.

    Cryptocurrency, too, although there are far more examples of bad actors in that space. But the concept of an economy that works across the internet entirely outside the control of 5-eyes surveillance states? Yes, please.

    Visstix ,

    It gets hate because usually blockchain is mentioned it is followed by a really dumb idea.

    haui_lemmy ,

    Quick question: isnt blockchain also very harsh on the environment bc of ever-elongating sequences to calculate?

    sxan ,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    No. No more than, say, Lemmy. It’s just a cryptographically verifiable audit log.

    This is not aimed at you; you asked a reasonable question. The height of ignorant hypocracy is people complaining about environmental impact (which is resource use) while using streaming movies, music, and online video games. Watching a Youtube video rant about the evils of Bitcoin uses more resources than syncing a day’s backlog of the Bitcoin blockchain. Most popular web sites these days are so packed with Javascript, they compete with shitcoin blockchain resource use.

    howrar ,

    Sounds like you’re thinking of proof of work cryptocurrencies. They use blockchains, but are not blockchains themselves. The blockchains part is trivially cheap to compute.

    neidu2 ,

    I’m sure there’s technological value in a write-only distributed database. I cannot come up with any good suggestions, but I’m sure that distributing links to ugly monkey pictures is probably not it.

    xkforce ,

    Crypto miners are the reason why graphics card prices skyrocketed back when they did. And mining uses enormous amounts of energy and contributes over 100 million tons of CO2 emissions yearly. Fuck them.

    BorgDrone ,

    it’s not blockchain itself, it’s how over-hyped it is for what is a data structure with a very limited and specific use-case.

    It’s the fact that ‘blockchain companies’ exist while there are no ‘binary search tree’ companies or ‘weighted directional graph’ companies.

    sxan ,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    Yeah, I completely agree. For a while there, it was the new “cloud.” What made it worse, I think, is that blockchain is a relatively simple concept ane a fu& programming exercise. And once you’ve written your first, you look side-eye at Bitcoin prices and the temptation is too much for some people.

    It’s painful, because cryptocurrency - if done well, without POW - does address a number of capitalism problem spaces; and blockchain has applications in secure digital voting and other data integrity areas. Cryptobros do seem to be a rather unsavory lot, I’ll admit. The majority give off greasy libertarian vibes, and I mostly keep quiet about the topic for fear of being associated with them.

    xor ,

    The issue is that cryptocurrency doesn’t really work without proof of work though, right? That’s the fundamental basis of how the Blockchain ensures correctness.

    sxan ,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    Proof of work has nothing to do with blockchain itself. In Bitcoin, POW is how new blocks are found, but blocks are just payloads stored in the chain. Other, non-currency data can (and is) be stored in the Bitcoin blockchain, and this data does’t necessarily require POW.

    Bitcoin POW chunks might as well be new prime numbers; you spend a bunch of processing to calculate new primes, then you digitally sign the data and store those on the public blockchain and now you have digital currency. A blockchain block itself is no more CPU intensive than what it “costs” to set up a new SSL connection to whatever porn site you’re browsing. It’s literally just a chain of blocks of data hashes (even cheaper than your SSL connection) than include a previous block’s hash, and which are signed.

    POW is part of the cryptocoin part; blockchain is entirely unrelated - it’s just a publically verifiable audit log (in this case also encapsulating the signed data).

    There even exist cryptocurrencies which are not based on POW and the entire argument about environmental impact falls apart. Those have less environmental impact than Fortnight. But, in most cryptocurrencies there needs to be a mechanism to prevent people from arbitrarily printing cash and devaluing the system; aside from POW, staking is popular: you just buy coins outright. There are other methods; but in no case does the technology of blockchain involve POW.

    fruitycoder ,

    For sure. Not to mention what a “trustless” digital currency could mean for the majority of the world which is not in the hegemonic monetary position.

    People argue that The Fed is Democratic or that the PBC is antiimperilest butneithers’s plans for global currency dominance has the majority of people in the world having any control or say in their monetary policies. They are both, outside of the home countries undemocratic and imperialist.

    And that’s just on crypto currencies the value of a denctralized smart contract and other function execution machine is also crazy cool to me.

    The majority of the hype from get rich quick suckers and scammers deserve the hate they get IMHO. Even the suckers, because they really would be OK with getting rich off of doing nothing and just having everyone cater to them for it.

    xmunk ,

    Women.

    Misogyny is extremely widespread and socially acceptable.

    puppy ,

    Add men to the list.

    Misandry is also extremely widespread and socially acceptable.

    IMHO both groups have bad apples. In conservative societies, women are often mistreated. In modern/contemporary societies men are often misstreated.

    ULS ,

    I’d say modern being wealthy modern people.

    PotatoesFall ,

    adult men are treated fine in modern societies, it’s boys/teenagers who are feeling increasingly out of place and are turning to misogyny as an outlet

    whogivesashit ,

    IMHO both groups have bad apples

    Oh bad people can come from anywhere, what a salient observation.

    By every important measurable standard, women are still treated worse in contemporary society. The fact you would respond with this nothing take when someone brings up misogyny is incredibly telling. Wishing well to any women unlucky enough to be in your life.

    Thorny_Insight ,

    Dispassionate takes on controversial issues.

    There’s always atleast two sides to each story and more often than not the truth is somewhere in the middle. If you think something is clear-cut you’re almost guranteed to be mistaken and misinformed and many of your dearest beliefs are totally wrong.

    ReCursing ,
    @ReCursing@kbin.social avatar

    There is, of course, a relevant xkcd - it's yesterday's https://xkcd.com/2898/

    blindsight ,

    Oh, that’s brilliant. I hadn’t seen that one yet. The alt text is great, too.

    peter ,
    @peter@feddit.uk avatar

    I think social media, particularly Twitter, has bred this. Twitter is designed in a way that makes it impossible to have an actual structured debate and instead encourages short and unambiguous statements which cannot possibly accurately encapsulate an issue

    cobra89 ,

    encourages short and unambiguous statements which cannot possibly accurately encapsulate an issue

    Conservatives in a nutshell. (I’ll add the /s here for anyone not getting the joke that I’m doing the exact thing we’re talking about)

    blindsight ,

    I needed that /s, lol.

    Because isn’t that literally what conservatives do? Pick wedge issues then make quick soundbites about “common sense” “solutions” that align with simple black & white thinking and conservative values?

    Bitrot ,
    @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Yes, social media has destroyed nuance. Recognizing that a person can understand a position without believing that position is also gone. And people are often performing for likes and “ratio” and discussing in bad faith and being intentionally obtuse in the hopes of getting more attention.

    ULS ,

    Dispassionate? Could there be a better word? I think I know and agree with what your saying but I don’t think that’s the correct word.

    fruitycoder ,

    I’ve taken to letting people know my opinion that if they are omicient they are wasting their talent arguing about piddly topics with subjectives like myself

    xkforce ,

    “Chemicals” in food. Literally every substance, every food and people are composed of them. The common usage has bastardized the meaning and latched on to the naturalistic fallacy. Snake venom is natural. Cyanide is natural. Arsenic and Uranium are natural. Botulinum toxin is natural. Something being naturally occurring does not automatically make it good for you just as something being made in a lab does not equate to being bad for you.

    FlihpFlorp ,

    I feel like that’s one of those things where the conversational use of chemicals and scientific use has drifted apart

    There’s plenty of examples but the only one I can think of is evolution, like In every terrible sci-fi movie ever using evolution to describe the individual evil monster gaining some change

    Anyways 100% agree with you tho

    Lmaydev ,

    The word theory is another one.

    Thorry84 ,

    But that’s just a theory, a gaaaame theory

    Omega_Haxors ,

    Matpat is a fascist piece of shit.

    ArcaneGadget ,

    I find myself thinking this a lot. Someone goes; “and that’s my theory about…” And I’m like; that’s not a theory, that’s a hypothesis…

    son_named_bort ,

    Like how some creationists try to dispell evolution by saying that it’s only a theory.

    Lmaydev ,

    I just say “so is gravity”

    yoyolll ,

    Idk if that helps your point as it’s simultaneously one of the most studied and least understood things in physics. Although I doubt a creationist could mount that argument.

    Lmaydev ,

    The point is it’s not just a guess with no evidence which is what they think a theory is.

    If they came back with that you try and explain that’s why it’s called a theory and not a fact.

    exocrinous ,

    AI. In the real world, AI is any computer process that can make decisions as if it were smart. Expert systems, genetic algorithms, hell even fuzzy logic. A smart lightbulb is artificially smart. Artificially intelligent.

    In movies and bad tech blogs, AI means a sapient machine and that’s why LLMs aren’t actually AI.

    Immersive_Matthew ,

    If you are not worried about the chemicals in your food, your long term health would like to have a word with you.

    cali_ash ,

    Not just your food, even the water. It’s full of H2O.

    xkforce ,

    Being overweight or obese, smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, prolonged sitting, loneliness will all kill you way faster than all those “chemicals” in your food that you are so terrified of but no one really cares about any of that because its much harder to lose that extra 30 pounds and break up sitting every once in a while with light exercise than it is to act like a picky 5 year old and eat nothing but organic food satisfied by the false notion that you did something of consequence for your health.

    Immersive_Matthew ,

    I fully agree on those other factors you mentioned some of even higher importance.

    GrayBackgroundMusic ,

    Water is a chemical. Salt is a chemical. Everything is a chemical.

    Immersive_Matthew ,

    Absolutely, but not at all chemicals are the same as you know. Some are harmless and some are not.

    SorteKanin ,
    @SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

    Same thing with people thinking that organic food is healthier. Organic food might be good for the environment, but not necessarily the climate or your health.

    TruthAintEasy ,
    @TruthAintEasy@kbin.social avatar

    I worked in produce as a quality inspector for a couple years. Organic generally just means lower quality for higher price. No one is regulating it as far as I know, they can just skip pesticides, do everything else the same and charge more for the same product that actually cost them less to produce. We refered to it as a hillarious scam when the boss wasnt around.

    ArcaneGadget ,

    That depends on where you live though. Here in Denmark, as an example, we have a certificate called “Statskontrolleret økologisk” which basically translates to “Government-certified organic”. There are specific guidelines and rules that need to be followed, to be allowed to use this seal on your product.

    evasive_chimpanzee ,

    We have a similar system in the US. The US department of agriculture has a stamp they put on food that has strict criteria for what goes in it

    howrar ,

    Doesn’t it cost more to produce because you lose more crops to pests?

    TruthAintEasy ,
    @TruthAintEasy@kbin.social avatar

    No, thats just the bullshit they use to justify it.

    Anything not looking good enough gets sent to a secondary outlet and is sold as is with no organic labels. The stuff that is a grade below that gets juiced ( dont drink fruit juice that you didnt make yourself if you can help it...). They are not losing a single pennie, they are making out like thieves

    Unmapped ,

    Organic has less pesticides. Which is probably healthier no? I mostly buy non organic, but always get organic for certain foods like strawberries and oats since they tend to have so much pesticides used on them.

    SorteKanin ,
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    Organic has less pesticides.

    Less pesticides also means more bacteria and more bug poop. There is a reason why they use pesticides, after all.

    Even if there are trace amounts of pesticides left, you can just wash the produce, which you should always do anyway. Same reason you wash the organic produce to get rid of bug stuff…

    The trace amounts of bug poop or pesticides really makes no difference when it comes to your health.

    evasive_chimpanzee ,

    Not necessarily less pesticides, but “natural” pesticides. In my opinion, organic food is probably either equivalent or better than not-organic, but I don’t think there’s much scientific consensus.

    People tend to think “organic” means that a food item is free from the ills of industrial agriculture, but it really doesn’t. It’s the same thing with people directing hate at GMO’s: most complaints people have about them are really complaints that apply to industrial ag whether GMO or not.

    Omega_Haxors ,

    My least favorite is “it’s processed”

    I can count the ingredients on my hands, and the “processing” is like 4 steps max.

    exocrinous ,

    “Unga bunga me invent new process for food. It called cooking. Make less parasites in meat. Very good.”

    “Cooking bad, garg. We no want processed food.”

    lorty ,
    @lorty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Cooking is processing food.

    pixelscript ,

    A guy at a deli counter slicing cold cuts and assembling them into a sandwich is “processed food”. Using the term as a health concern marker is meaningless.

    Even Kraft Singles, the posterchild of “processed food”, famously disallowed to legally call itself “cheese” on its packaging, what is it made of? What hellish process hath humanity wrought? Cheddar cheese, sodium citrate (a mundane variety of salt), and water. That’s it.

    It’s not forbidden from being called “cheese” because it’s a bastard concoction of mad scientist chemicals that approximate cheese to ruse consumers. It’s simply cheese, literally watered down to the point that you can’t call it cheese anymore.

    All that the sodium citrate is doing in this situation is acting as a binder that helps the cheese solids hold on to the water. This action is what gives many dishes, sauces, and the like their smooth, creamy texture. But use the word for that – “emulsifier” – and suddenly people think you’re trying to poison them, because that’s a scary chemical word.

    Why does this product exist? Because it offers a unique melty texture that people appreciate in certain contexts. It’s a niche product with a niche function. Treat it like one.

    Schmoo ,

    I haven’t run into anyone who considers emulsifier a scary chemical word. Most people I know with any baking skill know what the word means and use egg yolks for that purpose all the time.

    Bitrot ,
    @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I love when they compare food labels from two countries but don’t notice the ingredients are the same just described in different words or with different levels of verbosity based on the local regulations.

    GrayBackgroundMusic ,

    Have you heard about the chemical dihydrogen monoxide?! It’s 100% fatal! Too much causes death, too little, death! Massively addictive.

    teawrecks ,

    I really liked this post by Hank Green regarding “natural remedies”.

    tl;dw The chemicals used in chemotherapy are naturally occurring, and science uses what we know works. So when people say “you should use natural remedies”, what they really mean is, you should use something:

    • we don’t know whether it works
    • we know doesn’t work
    • we know is actively harmful

    And the first two categories aren’t necessarily bad, an Epsom salt bath can feel really nice, but don’t think it’s a replacement for proper medical science.

    Turun ,

    On one hand I agree with you, the way “chemicals” are used in everyday speech differs from the text book definition.

    On the other hand, if we take our heads out of our asses and stop the "well actually"s I kinda have to agree with being against “chemicals” in food. Arsenic is naturally occurring, sure, but at what concentration? Radioactive uranium is a naturally occurring element, but I would hardly call nuclear fallout something natural.

    xkforce , (edited )

    Uranium doesnt need to undergo fission to be toxic. Fission also occurred naturally in the oklo nuclear reactor long ago. Uranium mined from that area is depleted in U235 and there are higher concentrations of stable isotopes derived from fission products in that area. Arsenic is found in higher concentrations in rice crops. Its found in certain soils and lakes. In certain areas in India, Fluoride can be high enough in concentration to cause bone growth abnormalities. Selenium is found in higher concentrations in the western US to the point that certain plants take it up and concentrate it further up to 2% dry weight. The plants use it as a defense against herbivory. Some trees concentrate nickel to the point that it turns their sap blue and may be a viable source of the element. i.e biomining. The plants that take up selenium also make an alkaloid called swainsonine that if ingested in high enough quantities, can cause cattle and other animals to shake themselves to death. Hence they are colloquially named locoweed i.e crazy weed. Certain plants were historically used as a form of crude birth control due to some of the compounds found in them being abortificants. Echinacea was pulled from the market as it was found to significantly increase the risk of heart attack and stroke due to its stimulant properties. Foxglove was used to develop digitalis which is a valuable heart medication but the plant itself is fairly dangerous. Metformin was derived from naturally occurring compounds that are poisonous in the concentrations they are naturally found in due to their tendency to cause severe hypoglycemia. There are TONS of plants that contain hepatotoxic compounds (cause liver damage). Green potatoes, rhubarb, raw red kidney beans, those all have substances in parts of them that can cause illness.

    The point is that nature has plenty of ways to kill. Something being “natural” is no guarantee of safety.

    Uncle_sure ,

    Israel

    If you hate jews - it’s nice to concentrate them in the limited area just in case. If you love them - it’s great that they live in the same land as 5000 years before.

    Britain has been supporting the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” since 1917 (Balfour Declaration). Why after 107 years so many people want to play on the side of Ottoman imperialism and oppress indigenous jewish people?

    If a few millions of alive jews was a real problem for the 460 millions of arabs (and 1.8 billion of muslims), the Final Solution to the Jewish Question would be already reached.

    Ok, you don’t need much to hate brown people with strange religion, understandable. But it’s really hard to make proper genocide. Even the Germans killed only 6 millions of jews, I don’t believe that Hamas with its corruption will manage to kill even 1 million. So all remaining 9 millions will come to your country and will infinitely ask for help.

    The best action would be to accommodate all the Palestinian people that want to come to your country. They will ramp up fertility, number of mosques and Allah possibly will not send you, infidels to hell.

    The love for arabs shuld be productive. If the West help Hamas to make Palestine “From the river to the sea”, it will destroy the only democracy in the middle east. But if the West accommodates all faithful muslims, they’ll definitely forgive infidel’s sins and become liberals

    juliebean ,

    furries

    wreckedcarzz ,
    @wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

    Hello.

    Omega_Haxors ,

    They’ve still a way to go though as well. I remember when FA banned porn of child-looking characters half the website quit, ironically leaving known groomers who were flagrantly breaking the rule and getting away with it. The alternative sites aren’t much better, with some outright dying on the hill of allowing toddlercon. I dipped because I was insanely uncomfortable with how much of a grooming culture there was and as fun as it was to crash&burn the 40th discord server with admins doing that shit, it was stunting my development into a functioning adult.

    cobra89 ,

    While I agree and have no problem with furries, I think the issue is people seeing, what a lot of people in their own community see as linked to a sexual kink, being brought out into public spaces.

    “Sexual attraction to furry characters is a polarizing issue. In one survey with 4,300 furry respondents, 37% answered that sexual attraction is important in their furry activities, 38% were ambivalent, and 24% answered that it has little or nothing to do with their furry activities.”

    “Another survey at a furry convention in 2013 found that 96.3% of male furry respondents reported viewing furry pornography, compared with 78.3% of female; males estimated 50.9% of all furry art they view is pornographic, compared with 30.7% of females.”

    Source: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom

    So like clearly there is a large sexual component to the fandom, and I think it weirds people out and makes people uncomfortable when they see these people wearing their fur suits out in public. Which again to be clear is not something the entire community does or even tolerates, but there’s enough people who do so that it’s become part of the cultural zeitgeist.

    But it’s also just the fact that it’s so far from normal vanilla experiences. Everyday people think role playing sexually is already adventurous and out there. Now add big animal suits that are typically associated with mascots for entertaining children and I think anyone can see why everyday people think it’s weird.

    juliebean ,

    honestly that argument just feels like recycled homophobia to me. and just because something is weird doesn’t mean it should be hated.

    cobra89 ,

    It’s like you glossed over my entire comment and only read the last word…

    ULS ,

    I don’t understand the furry thing. If anyone wants to explain it that would be cool.

    I’ve gone to lgbtq+ bars and sometimes 1 or two people will have leather dog masks on. I don’t understand it though. Is it a sub/Dom thing? I’m kinda new to to the LGBTQ+ culture.

    Zehzin ,
    @Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t think those are necessarily related.

    Furries are just people who like animal mascot type characters and made a whole subculture around that.

    juliebean ,

    basically, its a subculture of people who like anthropomorphic (i.e. humanized) animal characters, like zootopia, for one fairly recent mainstream example. some furries do dress up in costumes, but the leather dog masks are a somewhat unrelated bdsm thing, though there’s probably some significant overlap in the groups.

    miracleorange ,

    The dog mask people are generally not furries. They’re called pups, and you’re actually right that pup play is a BDSM thing. The whole acting like a dog thing is more for dehumanization than anything else.

    Furries are people who enjoy anthropomorphic animals for… well, a variety of reasons. Fursuits are extremely uncommon because they’re expensive as fuck, difficult to clean, easily damaged, etc. Most furries just come up with fursonas (generally online animal personas) and make art.

    I know more about this than I otherwise would because I have friends who are pups and others who are furries.

    Teon ,
    @Teon@kbin.social avatar

    XANADU

    [wanders away singing] ♫_A place where nobody dared to go,
    The love that we came to know,
    They call it..._♫

    miracleorange ,

    the tears you cried!

    can’t be denied!

    I love that terrible movie and its amazing soundtrack.

    Truffle ,

    Fat people. There, I said it.

    ULS ,

    Ime fat people are pleasant to hang out with.

    Truffle ,

    Yeah, being fat shouldn’t be a qualifier for anything IMHO. Like, let people live their lives in peace! There are pleasant and unpleasant fat people, as there are thin, so why does weight have to do with anything?! It is baffling to me we have to work so hard to humanize fat persons. Fat bias is so ingrained in our culture people think is ok.

    ULS ,

    Some of the fat people I’ve worked with were so much more hard working than others. But on other hand some customers I’ve dealt with were the worst customers. There was a notorious mother daughter duo that my co workers labeled the “Thunder Cunts”. The sad part is they had kids that probably.lived a life of hell.

    Truffle ,

    Yeah, child abuse is no joke. I bet you also had non fat customers who were a pain in the ass too, so it is not about weight, but about being an insufferable tw4twaffle.

    ULS ,

    Yeah I worked in a really shitty area. It was heartbreaking seeing how shitty people were.

    Truffle ,

    Oh I feel for you. It is never easy to witness some stuff.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    If I’m ever trapped on a deserted island I hope it’s with a fat person.

    ULS ,

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    I can run faster scared than they can hungry.

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    You aren’t seeing the big picture.

    june ,

    And very cuddly and squeezable. I like touching fat folks as much as I like touching for folks. All bodies are nice.

    soviettaters ,

    I think the issue is with normalizing unhealthy bodies. idc how you look as long as you’re healthy, but society is becoming increasingly accepting of obviously unhealthy lifestyles and bodies. It’s no better than anorexia.

    Truffle ,

    Unhealthy bodies like how? What dobyou mean by that? How can you know someone’s health status and or lifestyle by the way they look? If that were true, blood Labs and other tests would be useless.

    howrar ,

    You can get the rough strokes from looks. Blood tests give you more specific information on what is wrong, if anything.

    Truffle ,

    Meh, that is lazy medicine IMHO and at the same time, it says a lot about the health system and its practitioners. We need better educated more empathetic doctors who go beyond looking at someone to make assumptions about someone’s health.

    howrar ,

    I would say that this is a problem of lacking resources, not laziness. I’ve never met a doctor that didn’t have a constant stream of patients and non-stop work to do.

    PotatoesFall ,

    ask any doctor, being overweight is unhealthy.

    I’m not saying we should be assholes to fat people but we should still teach kids that being overweight is unhealthy

    GoodbyeBlueMonday ,

    If your eyeballs are missing, I can make an assumption that your vision isn’t great just by looking at you. That’s not a moral judgement.

    Doesn’t mean blood tests are useless, and in fact it means we have some idea where to start investigating a potential health problem.

    Yes, I agree that there’s bias against folks who are overweight, and also that there’s a range of risk associated with being overweight. It’s pretty clear, however, that obesity is a health concern that we should take seriously. If someone smokes five pack of cigs a day, I’m going to make an assumption about their lung health. There’s always outliers that live to 100 smoking and not doing exercise, but it would be a shit doctor if they didn’t tell folks not to follow their example.

    plactagonic ,

    Cyclists, some people just see red when they came across cyclist at the road.

    adam_y ,
    @adam_y@lemmy.world avatar

    But not the cyclist as the cycle right through it.

    flambonkscious ,

    Classic, I’m guilty of this. The best part about cycling in my small city is squeezing into the gaps and not waiting around in the wind for the lights to cycle.

    residentmarchant ,

    I see it as my reward for biking instead of driving to be both a pedestrian when I want (go through red lights when traffic is clear on safe streets) and a car when I want (take a lane to get around a delivery truck)

    That and getting places faster!

    cali_ash ,

    Congratulations, you’re one of the dickheads giving cyclists a bad name.

    residentmarchant ,

    Studies show all the things I do actually make it safer for me as a biker. Example: vox.com/…/why-cyclists-should-be-able-to-roll-thr…

    When you are riding in and around drivers in 2 ton machines because your city doesn’t have proper bike infrastructure, you take every single opportunity to avoid them. Call me a “bad cyclist” but I’m going to prioritize my safety over a law or someone’s bad driving any day.

    eezeebee , (edited )
    @eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

    That’s not “for absolutely no reason”. Some cyclists make a bad name for the rest.

    Edit: Oh my goodness, you guys. I’m not saying hate for cyclists is justified, that I hate all cyclists, or that “all cyclists do x”. Some cyclists ride like they have a death wish. So do some drivers. Anyone, regardless of their vehicle, who is willing to put their life in my hands is someone I want to stay far the fuck away from.

    plactagonic ,

    Yeah I know an A-hole driver so all drivers must be A**holes.

    No some people just don’t have good reason.

    TexMexBazooka ,

    You can say ass on the internet bud, it’s ok.

    all-knight-party ,
    @all-knight-party@kbin.run avatar

    I think the thread was titled poorly. Anything that gets a lot of hate usually has some sort of reason, even if it may not be justifiable.

    exocrinous ,

    There’s absolutely no reason to hate on a cyclist when you wouldn’t hate on a car polluter, because unlike car polluters, we aren’t murderers.

    all-knight-party ,
    @all-knight-party@kbin.run avatar

    I'm sure there are many reasons to hate on a cyclist, (not that I personally believe this, but) such as when they block a single lane road slowing traffic to a crawl and placing the responsibility of possibly accidentally killing a cyclist in the motorist's hands, though you could argue that's more about the fact that the roads don't have dedicated bike lanes, and that's not the cyclist's fault, but it is still a reason, not that that reason is justified, I like cyclists!

    eezeebee ,
    @eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

    That’s exactly what I was trying to say. I was also a (very cautious) cyclist until my bike was stolen.

    exocrinous ,

    For thousands of years, people walked on roads. That’s what they were for. They were also for horses, donkeys, and carts, but humans were a big part of it. And none of those four things really goes faster than a bike. Cars are new. Taking people and horses off roads is new. Being able to drive the speed limit is a new, temporary condition, and it can be taken away at any time. Blaming this on cyclists is a reaction based on a misunderstanding of what roads are for. Personally, I support legislature to let people walk on the road however they like again.

    ninjaphysics ,

    Truth. Furthermore, accidents involving a bike and a car have mostly happened because of a lack of infrastructure and options for safe travel on bikes. Public residential streets, for example, are for all modes of transportation, not just cars. Car brains are hysterical and don’t like that, and my life has been threatened many times while riding my bike on residential streets. I even had an older woman match my speed, roll down her window, and say “Next time I see you I’m running you over.” Cyclists do absolutely nothing to deserve this, and even if they’re holding up traffic, it’s no excuse for homicide.

    exocrinous ,
    nitefox ,

    Downvoted for saying the truth. Most cyclist I met here are absolutely jerks, they drive not even on the sidelines - no, they fucking drive in the mid of the road and if you try to surpass they move to the left.

    For some it’s not their fault they are a bit of a nuisance obviously (those who cycle near the sidewalks, who signal were they are going etc), the cyclist infastructure is non existent here

    deadbeef79000 ,

    Cycle infrastructure, even.

    exocrinous ,

    Bike lanes are car infrastructure. We cyclists are perfectly within our rights to cycle in the middle of the lane at a speed comfortable for us. And it’s safer for us to do that than hug the shoulder and risk getting clipped by an impatient driver. A bike lane gets us out of your way so you can drive the speed limit. It’s for your benefit.

    tubbadu ,

    Holy words

    deadbeef79000 ,

    That’s why it’s hate for no reason!

    The same hatred from the same haters for public transport too: if everyone else is in public transport there more room for you on the road.

    It’s a bizarrely prevalent attitude from a bizarrely large portion of car users.

    We had some nice mini-traffic island things separating a cycleway on a road, drivers kept hitting them and damaging their cars. They complained and the council removed them despite it being obvious to anyone that they were doing extremely what they were supposed to do: stopping those idiots from hitting actual cyclists!

    PotatoesFall ,

    I thought this as well but German drivers will dangerously swerve into oncoming traffic to overtake me sometimes when I block a lane. Even if there is a red stop light 50m down the road.

    exocrinous ,

    Well, it’s less of them, and at least they’re risking their own lives too. If there’s an accident I want the person responsible coming with me to the hospital. That might not be rational, but it’s how I feel.

    PotatoesFall ,

    Lol it’s not rational but I know how you feel. Sometimes I daydream somebody hits me and wrecks my bike and then feels so bad that they give me loads of money in hopes of me not suing them, and then I use that to buy a better bike. And then I wonder wtf is going wrong in my brain

    kureta ,

    Except Berliner cyclists. They scare me.

    evasive_chimpanzee ,

    There’s really no winning as a cyclist when most people are in cars. If you stop at all stop signs, and obey they right-of-way, people will yell at you and/or try to wave you through ahead of your turn dangerously. If you do an Idaho stop (which is the safest way to approach a stop, whether it’s legal or not), people will honk and yell at you and possibly try to run you off the road.

    I used to commute by bike a lot during rush hour. If there was a lineup of cars waiting at a red-light, and I just waited in line, people in cars behind me would honk at me as if me preventing them from being one cars-length further ahead in line would somehow affect them. If I filtered forward, like I should, people would actually edge their cars over to try and block me.

    I think for the most part, it’s misplaced anger from drivers who don’t want to face the fact that they are the source of danger on roads. The worst bicycle collision is way less severe than a car crash. They also really hate when bicyclists can get anywhere faster than them, which is often the case because it shows them just how much time they waste being traffic.

    PotatoesFall ,

    what’s an Idaho stop?

    evasive_chimpanzee ,

    If you are on a bike, you treat stop signs as yields, and red lights as stop signs. Iit has been shown to be safer.

    Crisps ,

    If it were codified like this as law everywhere, people would accept it better. The rule breaking is what pisses a lot of people off. It would be much more predictable and safer too.

    evasive_chimpanzee ,

    Yeah, the government needs to get behind it (and tell people about it). I’ve come up to stop signs before, and been nearly run over from behind by cars that didn’t expect me to stop.

    Corkyskog ,

    Guy Fieri

    I don’t enjoy his flavor… but the dude is just living his best life and gets an absurd amount of hate. It’s actually really funny to me how disproportional the hate is, but I sometimes feel bad for him.

    LemmyKnowsBest ,

    I’ll forever get three people mixed up: Guy Fieri, Gordon Ramsey, and Anthony Bourdain. I would need to see all of their pictures side by side to distinguish them one from the other. (RIP Mr. Bourdain)

    BlackPenguins ,

    His shows are entertaining as hell. ToC just started back up.

    TokenBoomer ,

    Bidets!

    Thehalfjew ,

    Not sure if they get much hate but they sure get a lot of shit

    Melatonin ,

    Fuck off with your bidets, y’all are like CrossFit and vegetarians, always looking for a place to mention your shit.

    TokenBoomer ,
    BlackPenguins ,

    Excuse me sir, I don’t have any shit. Because of my bidet.

    shinigamiookamiryuu ,

    Non-monogamists. Not referring to simply polyamorists or even relationship anarchists, but non-monogamists in general. When I saw LGBT equality unfold in the first world, I thought “yay we’re finally throwing off those norms” but here we are a decade or so later and polyamory still gets everyone saying “meh”. The only time I’ve ever seen polyamorists in late night media was in an episode of The Resident, and it was used to illustrate the man as a cult leader, which tied into the show like pineapple ties into pizza (I do not miss that show). But you have an LGBT couple in every five episodes.

    nutsack ,

    fuck the haters non-monogamy is badass

    rawrthundercats ,

    Yeah I’m sure this is for no reason

    TORFdot0 ,

    I don’t “meh” is hate. Just don’t think people are interested in non-monogamous relationships. I find it funny though because people still cheat and we have a high divorce rate, yet people still shame others for being promiscuous and desire to be in monogamous couples.

    ULS ,

    Even LGBT is far from being actually free.

    electric_nan ,

    I think this one is tough. I know a few people that consensual non-monogamy has worked out well for (long term), but most of the people that I know who tried it out it hasn’t gone well. So I’m not against it in theory, but it comes with a lot of caveats. I don’t personally know anyone who began a monogamous relationship, transitioned to poly, and had it end well. I tend to think of this scenario as a sign of relationship trouble, or a cause of it. Maybe it’s not polyamory’s fault that so many people in relationship trouble are drawn to it.

    DavidDoesLemmy ,
    @DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone avatar

    I know a lot of people for whom monogamy hasn’t turned out well, too. Lots of divorces and broken hearts. If you think of all the relationships that don’t work out, the ones that do are miracles.

    electric_nan ,

    That’s fair for sure. I do think I’ve lived long enough to know a few predictors of failed relationships though, and if someone tells me they’re opening up the relationship, then I expect them to be done within a year.

    DavidDoesLemmy ,
    @DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone avatar

    That’s probably a selection bias though. Most people might try opening up their relationship when there are already problems.

    electric_nan ,

    It’s true, and I kind of mentioned that in my original comment. I’m just speaking from my experience. I do know one couple with an open relationship who have been going strong for years. The difference for them (I think) is that they have been poly since the beginning.

    jjjalljs ,

    It’s pretty common to the point of being cliché that “we opened up out relationship” will fail. Usually the people involved are going to come at it in an extremely hierarchical way. Often there are existing problems that aren’t being addressed. It’s almost at the same tier as “let’s have a baby to save our relationship”

    People who are non monogamous from the start I expect have similar success rates as anyone else.

    electric_nan ,

    I pretty much agree.

    rosemash ,

    Yeah, I understand not wanting it in one’s own relationship, but other people should be allowed to do whatever they want. I don’t understand getting upset at a polyamorous couple. If you don’t like it then just don’t do it yourself

    june ,

    There’s a ‘polyamorous’ couple in You and they’re a terrible representation of polyam. They’re more swinger, which I know a lot of and they’re cool, but not the same.

    Polyamory is wildly misunderstood and gets a lot of negative feedback as a result in my experience, and while I know it’s not for everyone, ENM is a solution that would let a lot of people be a lot happier than they are today.

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