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Is it just me, or have the comments on Lemmy become extra aggressive over the past 3 months?

I feel like things on Lemmy were pretty chill several months ago, and that’s started to change.

People used to talk each other like they would talk to a neighbor. Now I get the sense that people have become quick to be negative, attack, and not be constructive.

Am I crazy in feeling like the vibe has changed?

lseif ,

thats something a complete idiot would say

lemmy ,

😝

GiddyGap ,

It’s an election year and Trump is in the election.

MedicPigBabySaver ,
@MedicPigBabySaver@voxpop.social avatar

A terrible and infuriating time. Brutal year ahead.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

At least we had three years of rest, right?!??

MedicPigBabySaver ,
@MedicPigBabySaver@voxpop.social avatar

Well, not exactly, that orange cockroach has been scurrying around this whole time.

Honytawk ,

Didn’t you guys have an attempted coup in that time?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

xXX88Trump_The_Strongman14XXx personally assured me that was just a peaceful protest

Daft_ish ,

Completely unprompted too. Just normal people who happened to independently organize that day.

Just happened to book a flight to DC that day, who knew?

unreasonabro ,

anybody with xXX in their name is a virgin though

robocall ,
@robocall@lemmy.world avatar

My suspicion is that a lot of redditors migrated over here about 7 months ago when certain apps shut down, including myself. At first, they were polite in an unfamiliar environment, but they’ve grown comfortable and act out, or speak less thoughtfully, like they originally did on Reddit.

dessalines ,

We can absolutely do better than reddit on this one. If someone is breaking rule 2 (be respectful), report that comment and we’ll get to it as soon as we can.

Pratai ,

The problem is, most of the pro-socialist posts don’t get removed when I report them for rule 2. I’m certain there’s a bias here.

Urist ,
@Urist@lemmy.ml avatar

Maybe you should take care to follow said rule yourself? Looking through your recent comments in this thread it seems more to me that you are going in hard with bad takes and get hurt from getting dunked at. The question is really: Do you consider yourself respectful when you use ignorance to spite leftists?

davel , (edited )
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

For the first time in a liberal’s life, your viewpoints are being the least bit challenged. Must be awful, we socialists can’t imagine what you’re going through.

FiskFisk33 ,

Being pro something you are against does not break the “be respectful” rule.

You really shouldn’t go around trying to silence people with different opinions than you.

TokenBoomer ,

You’re awesome btw.

dessalines ,

o7

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

Are reports anonymous? I don’t want to report a user that breaks rules only for the offending user to be friends with an admin and get me kicked from a community as payback

Hubi ,

No, the mods of the community can see who sent the report.

WanderingVentra ,

That can be a good thing, too, to find out if someone is abusing the report feature, as was common on Reddit when people didn’t like someone’s comment.

dessalines ,

Reports are not anonymous, but they also aren’t public. Only visible to admins and mods of that community.

It’s a tradeoff, anonymous report abuse was a big problem on reddit that I didn’t want to replicate here. If the admins or mods aren’t trustworthy on your server, you should pry move to another one.

schizoidman ,

I feel the mainstream lemmy instances have attracted the reddit mob mentality where any deviation from the groupthink is treated as radicals or bots.

Pratai ,

Only it’s pro socialism.

HerrBeter ,

That’s lemmygrad

exocrinous ,

That’s because capitalism is an extreme right wing idea

MargotRobbie ,

The 80/20 rule applies to toxic Internet behaviors as well, 20 percent (or less) of the user base is responsible for 80 percent of the toxicity.

It’s always the same people being awful here, if you are taking notes, you can quickly identify the worst posters on this platform after a week. People always complain about how they are unfairly banned by reddit moderators, but you have to remember, sometimes the bans are really justified.

I think the ony real (and unpleasant) solution is to moderate very aggressively whenever there is bad behavior (although, I must add, permanent bans should be rare and reserved for extremely bad behaviors)

ergifruit ,

this and a prodigious use of your block button. you don’t owe anyone the right to talk to you like a jerk. and even more, you curate your online space. vibes are off? you’re allowed to block people. even if they haven’t said anything to you specifically. if someone is the sort of person you would never want to be around IRL, why allow them in your space online?

Kedly ,

The free ability to block users and instances here is AMAZING

NotJustForMe ,

As long as you are able to differentiate between bad language (skills), cultural differences, and bad behavior. On Reddit that’s basically the same. Many things may sound harsh, but are often just expressed frustrations, voiced in an imprecise way. And often, nuance is lost in translation. Many foreigners aren’t used to nuance like Americans are.

Many Europeans won’t hold back. Like, you tell your neighbor that he’s an idiot directly to their face. Out of love; how else would they know. Apparently, none of their friends told them. Poor fellow. Just an example. I’ve learned that Americans won’t do that, for whatever reason. they would just call them idiots wherever they are not around, and keep smiling. ;)

Omega_Haxors ,

That really is the case. Back when I went to war with feddit de for constantly leaving shitty comments I was surprised at how few people I had to block from that instance before the abuse stopped coming my way. Now that you mention it, 20% of the population sounds about right.

sukhmel ,

Tangentially related, but yeah, some usernames one can remember after seeing them for the umpteenth time and then one spots the same people all over the hot topics 😅 that doesn’t only apply to toxic ones, it’s just that an active core of Lemmy community is still small enough, a nice time to be a part of it

sunbeam60 ,

I’ve always found the tone harder here than it ever was on Reddit. Community blocking is key to enjoying Lemmy; even still, I think the audience is younger here than it was on Reddit and younger people broadly feel pretty shafted by today’s economy (they’re not wrong either) and tend to express themselves in simpler solutions (some of them correct in ways older folks can’t let go of their habits to recognise, many of them wrong in ways you can only learn through wisdom). Lack of consistent community management means you have to be much more aggressive in blocking individuals and communities yourself.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

I’ve resorted to instance blocking instead of community blocking, most of the worst offenders are all on the same instances anyway. And then individual users based on their nonsensical comments, plus a curated keyword blocklist.

It’s just like back on reddit… One of the reasons why I couldn’t do it without Sync, haven’t seen the filter capabilities in any other app.

Churbleyimyam ,

I’ve found that it depends on the community. The bigger ones get more toxic comments but more niche ones are still polite. What that suggests to me is that people who are here for entertainment are more likely to rant and mouth off, whereas as those who are here to share their passions and interests are engaging in a more fun and positive way.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Dunno. I still think Lemmy is better by quite a bit. I still participate I reddit occasionally, and I think it’s become far less engaging as a place of discussion. It’s just the same old reposts and tired old comments over and over. It’s rarer to find insightful comment chains.

Lemmy is starting to attract some of the Reddit tropes. Dumb sex questions in asklemmy or any of the other retreads that we’ve all seen a score of times. But as far as discussions go, if one can get into one, they’re good.

_sideffect ,

Holy cow I thought I was the only one running into rude people.

I’m dealing with that right now, and also what I noticed is the abundance of downvotes on facts, but upvotes on feelings.

auzas_1337 ,

I think downvotes on facts and upvotes on feelings is just people wanting to feel validated, but not having the energy to engage with content. It used to happen on reddit too a lot. A lot of communities there are based on dealing with human emotions and situations in life. People seeking advice and validation about their lives being the primary motivation for even creating an account on the site.

I have a little pet theory backed by some reading that people are overstimulated by junk content to the point where they just can’t meaningfully engage in serious discussions anymore and that leads to the phenomena of populism on a political scale and simple, emotion-based upvoting on a Lemmy scale.

_sideffect ,

Interesting theory; what also plays a big factor is mob mentality I find.

And if someone comments after you correcting one small thing, you’ll then get downvoted as well.

noobdoomguy8658 ,

I like your theory and wanna agree.

In 00s and 10s, my friends and I used to engage with the Internet and each other in a very different way than in the more recent years: We basically were the content generators for ourselves, making conversations based on our ideas fueled by movies, books, or pure imagination, with a lot of jokes and other content that, compared to today, probably took much more effort; we made ambient music with a shitty mic, gathered together, somewhere away from our homes, to talk and watch shit on some weak-ass laptops, maybe game and talk on said laptops, maybe game online, share stupid proposals for our art projects like making music or writing stories or drawing, sharing results.

Of course, we recited some jokes, rein reenacted some, and ironically enough, the most repeated were the ones coming from short-term content, like the z0r.de flashes or skits from collection-type videos like the GMOD Idiot Box. Back then such short-form content was more of a rarity, it seems, so we still had a lot room for creativity and something more meaningful and such, while now this type of content has filled way too many spaces, with much lower quality, too - we’ve seemed to have stopped creating, despite having arguably much more fuel for it thanks to the many changes our lives brought.

Thinking about this makes me browse the Internet a little less and focus on writing or reading, two things I’ve been most creatively engaged with since I was a kid, hoping that can bring creating stuff back to my life and the lives of my friends and family, at least to some degree, as opposed to just consuming lazy content and having even lazier, meaningless, dull conversations with people I care about.

auzas_1337 ,

I was just commenting on this to my gf a couple of days ago - I’m browsing and posting on the internet less so I feel more free to do things in a way that I like without thinking about the what audience they’re for.

In a way the awful state, and what I view as a downfall (remains to be seen), of big sites that everyone has been tied to for essentially a decade feels like shedding chains. I hope more people quit and spend their energy elsewhere. It doesn’t have to be another site, it can be any offline endeavour.

I’m on Lemmy because I’ve come to a realization that the reason I enjoyed internet back in the day was, as you said, a different type of engagement. And I don’t think it will ever be as it used to be. But a big part of that engagement was conversations like we’re having right now. At least in my algorithm enclosed corner of big social media sites I don’t see people reacting and having a conversation. It’s just a reaction, thanks, like, bye. Sometimes there’s arguing. But never a conversation.

httpjames ,
@httpjames@sh.itjust.works avatar

I disabled votes on my clients. I don’t want a number to potentially sway my opinion on a comment or post

_sideffect ,

I wonder if that’s why Youtube did it also, for downvotes at least

AVincentInSpace ,

Lemmy users discovering that human nature doesn’t change just because the name of the website isn’t Reddit:

Yerbouti ,

Comming from Reddit, I find it really peaceful, but IDK how it was before. Except for the people at Hexbear who bullied me for liking South Park. The socalled “dirtbag left” is basically the proudboys pretending to be far-left.

Zirconium ,

Considering a lot of them are anti-Semitic, defend USSR invading Poland, some even homophobic. They’re literally just larping fascist pigs

8000gnat ,

redfash

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Redfashes do exist, but not on Hexbear or Lemmygrad.

Zirconium ,

Idk what that means

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Still conflating anti-Zionism with antisemitism, I see. First of all, anti-Zionist Jews and non-Zoinist Jews exist.

There is no fediverse instance more queer-friendly and than Hexbear; what are you even talking about?

azulavoir ,

I can think of a few.

Zirconium ,

Not a pro Zionist. But thanks for putting words in my mouth

AnarchoBolshevik , (edited )

There is no fediverse instance more queer-friendly and than Hexbear; what are you even talking about?

I am guessing that the reasoning is as follows:

  1. The short twentieth century’s people’s republics were frequently heterosexist in some way
  2. Many on Hexbear defend the people’s republics (within reason)
  3. Ergo, Hexbear is heterosexist

This reasoning does not apply when defending dictatorships of the bourgeoisie such as Imperial America and the British Empire, because

JimboDHimbo ,

You obviously don’t know what fascist means. You should probably stop using the word until you go read the definition.

Zirconium ,

Cool 👍

Neil ,
@Neil@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s never a bad idea to instance block them. They’ll endlessly bully you and gang up like a bunch of school children. The only thing that stops it is to stop responding.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Liberals just can’t fathom the possibility that socialists walk among us, therefore they must be cryptofascists or paid shills of foreign States.

I assure you that we have been here all along, despite two red scares and a cold war to try to purge us.

It’s pretty insulting, considering that American socialists helped bring about the weekend and the eight hour workday.

Tinidril ,

There are socialists, and then there is a fairly new wave of terminally online toxic assholes borrowing socialist rhetoric.

There is a difference between activism and empty virtue signaling. A huge portion of the online left is more interested in letting everyone know how pissed off they are than actually making the cultural gains necessary to improve anything.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Plus they think the stupidest shit matters.

Earlier I saw people complaining about the Hogwarts game because of JK Rowling. Yeah, don’t play the videogame based on the book series that was written by a transphobe. Cause somehow that means the videogame and it’s developers are all transphobic too?

Someone should tell them transphobic people breathe oxygen, maybe they’ll suffocate themselves as activism.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT ,

I mean I boycott products if I don’t agree where the money is going. Nestle, Amazon, Israel (BDS), etc etc. Everyone who has the capacity should at the very least try to avoid funding people and projects they think are detrimental to life.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

How much of the revenue is actually going to Rowling for the product?

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT ,

I have no idea or interest in finding out, but it isn’t zero

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

There’s people who are constructive and try to be polite who have different world views, and then there’s the people who just insult and spam racial slurs. The second category gets a block on offending users and a block on an entire community if it’s repeated

Inui ,

What racial slurs?

Aria ,

You know what ‘racial slurs’ they care about. “White”, maybe “privileged”, maybe “spoiled”, “entitled”, “Northerner”, “Imperial core”.

ComradePupIvy , (edited )
@ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I do not know what you are talking about, you were the one who came put swinging, they reacted like I would expect,

Also proudboys are Fash, guess who is the most anti-fash

Also ypur political annalisis seems to go from “is like trump suporter” to “Is like proudboy” not very nuanced

P.S. I only found this because I had to track down said hexbear post because of the smearing you do with it while convenently not linking it… so for context lemmygrad.ml/comment/3197853, it was not for “simply liking southpark”

Yerbouti ,

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    ComradePupIvy ,
    @ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Track You? No I found this as I was trying to find context to your claim you kept making on Lemmygrad that seemed far feched, but as I said I was giving you the bennift of the doubt, this one poppoed up when I searched the page for Hexbear.

    To bully you, also no I am adding context to your constant claim that is blantantly false, I do not understand how someone with a Doctorate in something and 42 years of life still thinks that providing context to a smear is bullying, but smearing a comunity of people, who is one of the most inclusive and welcoming groups on the internet, is not bullying.

    ComradePupIvy , (edited )
    @ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    And what agian id the deff of dictator, I could easily argue Troudou, Mary Simon or Charly III could be dictators of canada, and Biden the dictator of the US

    Also with the bullying, repeated malicious name calling check, constant, and at this point with how many times we have explained to the post I have to assume intetional and malicious miss understanding, Constant calling us facists, and agian, as was explained to you before Communists are not Facists and we dont support trump, nor do we “enable” him, and calling us all “privlaged white boys” agian I would love to direct you to our demographics survey

    But the behavior you have been demonstrating is the behavior consistant of a bully, not I, not my fellows from Lemmygrad, not those from Hexbear, so I would recommend, as one human to another, that you take a seat, and reflect, because clearly something is stuck in your craw, and I genuinely hope it gets

    thorbot ,

    Lemmy is a left leaning echo chamber loaded with hateful and violent speech toward Trump and the GOP in general. Whenever I bring this up, I get downvoted to oblivion. I hardly engage anymore, not like I used to. Too much crazy. Trust me, I fucking hate Trump, but the death threats and shit are too much

    DigitalAudio ,
    @DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz avatar

    I’m not even American and I usually don’t care either way, but it’s so annoying. Why can’t we just have apolitical or at least more focused communities online anymore? I would literally join any community that outright banned all political speech for a change nowadays.

    Baylahoo ,

    I follow American politics because I know it will affect me. I feel like I need to know. I don’t think that that info should exist everywhere. Getting a break is very important to me too. Everything seems to be much more political with the Internet because how much more aware we all are. I would like to see some community where it’s not politics or governments or anything.

    DigitalAudio ,
    @DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Exactly. Just discuss anything else. Whatever. I don’t care anymore. I don’t want to know. I have absolutely no control over whatever happens in most countries, and I only have control over my own votes (if anything). Online discussion and politics always gets insanely toxic and dogmatic.

    Gabu ,

    Being apolitical is the same as being worthless. It is the absolute duty of every member of the polis to participate actively, which includes praxis.

    DigitalAudio ,
    @DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz avatar

    That doesn’t mean we need to discuss it everywhere, all the time. For starters, not everyone is American and wants to see American centric discussions everywhere, and also, not all discussions everywhere need to start revolving around modern politics. Creating apolitical spaces doesn’t mean being an apolitical individual. Just wanting to look for more peaceful alternatives.

    I’m perfectly fine with being called worthless if you can’t see the logic behind that, I legitimately don’t give a shit as long as I can get a break from the insane and miserable shit throwing that is online political discourse.

    If you like feeling miserable and angry every time you go online, great for you, but I’d much rather have an option not to do that.

    Chadus_Maximus ,

    Taking about U.S politics is a good way to make anyone not from U.S leave. I don’t care about politics, yet my wish to not get bombarded by it simply cannot be fulfilled here. So I have to seek other social media platforms, which means I spend less time here.

    littlebluespark ,
    @littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

    The simple (depressing) fact that U.S. politics affects nearly every single person on the globe to some degree makes your indifference towards politics in general somewhat dangerous on a personal awareness level. Consume what data you choose, but avoiding it only prolongs the inevitable?

    Gabu ,

    hateful and violent speech toward Trump and the GOP in general.

    As should be the case :)

    These groups are only alive by sheer mercy.

    spider , (edited )

    Well, that’s what Trump and the GOP do, so turnabout is fair play.

    However, “left leaning” is a relative term. Just mention the Green Party and you’ll get a hail of downvotes and / or accusations of pro-Russian sympathy from establishment Dems.

    Allero ,

    Essentially this place is Palestine-Ukraine-Biden-centric, and that is long known.

    Saying anything on the opposite, even marking the shortcomings of above governments and military will immediately get you downvoted, regardless of your actual stance.

    This is a problem we have for a while.

    One potential solution? Keep voicing it up, screw everyone who downvotes. If they want to bring arguments, they’ll have to do it in text. If they make threats, report them to mods. Down arrow means nothing by itself.

    Kedly ,

    LMAO

    rabiddolphin ,
    @rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

    You got to be edgy on the internet, it’s the law

    paraphrand ,

    And it’s self reinforcing through irony laden posts like this.

    MonsiuerPatEBrown , (edited )

    I apologize if these include me.

    As we in the US loom towards the election I am getting more and more raw and worried about it. And with that my fear brings out screechy obscene me. That is one of my fear responses that I lose the handle on a lot.

    So please forgive me. I will try to avoid political threads as we ramp up to either the end of American democracy or the continuing gerontocratic oligarchic republic.

    Baylahoo ,

    I feel the same way. I’m not sure if it makes it better but you’re not alone.

    paraphrand ,

    My sympathies. Really.

    nycki ,

    This isn’t a new problem, Reddit was the same way. As a site grows, it gets harder to moderate, and that means more people trolling for attention. Go to your user settings and change the default view from “All” to “Subscribed”, and you’ll have more control over your home page.

    Squizzy ,

    Reddits comments were slow to deteriorate. It initially had very insightful and genuinely comical comments and slowly turned to common jokes and politicized arguments. But now that we changed to this I feel like we can’t go back, it is the discourse now.

    psmgx ,

    Early adopters are closer to a community and are aligned by technical and ideological similarity; then come secondary waves that aren’t as community focused; and then once you hit a critical mass it becomes worthwhile to try to shape consensus, so the marketing and agit-prop shillbots enter the fray.

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