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Is it just me, or have the comments on Lemmy become extra aggressive over the past 3 months?

I feel like things on Lemmy were pretty chill several months ago, and that’s started to change.

People used to talk each other like they would talk to a neighbor. Now I get the sense that people have become quick to be negative, attack, and not be constructive.

Am I crazy in feeling like the vibe has changed?

MargotRobbie ,

The 80/20 rule applies to toxic Internet behaviors as well, 20 percent (or less) of the user base is responsible for 80 percent of the toxicity.

It’s always the same people being awful here, if you are taking notes, you can quickly identify the worst posters on this platform after a week. People always complain about how they are unfairly banned by reddit moderators, but you have to remember, sometimes the bans are really justified.

I think the ony real (and unpleasant) solution is to moderate very aggressively whenever there is bad behavior (although, I must add, permanent bans should be rare and reserved for extremely bad behaviors)

ergifruit ,

this and a prodigious use of your block button. you don’t owe anyone the right to talk to you like a jerk. and even more, you curate your online space. vibes are off? you’re allowed to block people. even if they haven’t said anything to you specifically. if someone is the sort of person you would never want to be around IRL, why allow them in your space online?

Kedly ,

The free ability to block users and instances here is AMAZING

NotJustForMe ,

As long as you are able to differentiate between bad language (skills), cultural differences, and bad behavior. On Reddit that’s basically the same. Many things may sound harsh, but are often just expressed frustrations, voiced in an imprecise way. And often, nuance is lost in translation. Many foreigners aren’t used to nuance like Americans are.

Many Europeans won’t hold back. Like, you tell your neighbor that he’s an idiot directly to their face. Out of love; how else would they know. Apparently, none of their friends told them. Poor fellow. Just an example. I’ve learned that Americans won’t do that, for whatever reason. they would just call them idiots wherever they are not around, and keep smiling. ;)

Omega_Haxors ,

That really is the case. Back when I went to war with feddit de for constantly leaving shitty comments I was surprised at how few people I had to block from that instance before the abuse stopped coming my way. Now that you mention it, 20% of the population sounds about right.

sukhmel ,

Tangentially related, but yeah, some usernames one can remember after seeing them for the umpteenth time and then one spots the same people all over the hot topics 😅 that doesn’t only apply to toxic ones, it’s just that an active core of Lemmy community is still small enough, a nice time to be a part of it

Katrisia ,

I haven’t noticed, but some people say they are feeling political tensions, and…

The year 2024 is notable for the large number of elections, with 7 of world’s 10 most populous nations (Bangladesh, India, United States, Indonesia, Pakistan, Russia, Mexico) voting; countries that are home to nearly half of the world’s people will hold elections in 2024.

From the Wikipedia complete list.

I guess everyone is just a little worried about national and international elections.

lolgcat ,

This is the first I’ve heard this perspective. It’s worth keeping in mind the remainder of the year. Thanks for that

sukhmel ,

I’d say things look progressively grim in the world even outside the elections being another possible source of problems. I used to not know what anxiety was, now I can only wish I still didn’t

doctorcrimson , (edited )

Marked spoiler for potential vibe harshing

spoilerIt might be a mix of a lot of things. The Palestinian Genocide, Ukrainian War, Chinese Expansion, actual probable chance of a second Trump Presidency, and a great many other issues are probably weighing heavy on the minds of net denizens. That and less sunlight than in the summer months. Plus I’ve never seen any posts from a Foodporn or cute pets lemmy community, but I have seen crimes against the culinary arts and some posts about pets that have died. People are just not feeling optimistic, and that leads to feelings of repression and anger.

rbos ,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

The superb owl community is pretty great for cute animals

littlebluespark ,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

It really is. And, the Flammulated beat the Great Horned in a complete upset during the community-wide poll! 🤩🤘🏼

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

The spoiler block doesn’t work on Sync it seems, unless you used the wrong >!spoiler tags!<. I wonder if it was the full stop or it being broken over several lines.

doctorcrimson ,

I definitely haven’t used the wrong tags because my instance formatted it for me when I selected the text and clicked the spoiler button above the text box. I’m sorry yours uses a different format or that your reader/viewer application doesn’t support it.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Weird, I did the same from the editor. it works for me on Sync bot not on lemmy.world on web /: Guess they need to sync these, otherwise we’ll have spoilers floating around everywhere in the face of unsuspecting readers

sukhmel ,

Seems like Sync only understands one-line spoilers, so you need each line in a separate spoiler

Porokoro ,

The Palestinian Genocide

Lol imagine believing this

Sekrayray ,

The vibe has gotten much more negative, to the point that I don’t really want to post anymore. I came here in early June with the Reddit API stuff, and was shocked at how communal it was. It actually got me to start posting again (I hadn’t posted on Reddit since the early to mid 20-teens because it had gotten so toxic).

My last three posts (nothing inflammatory) have gotten flamed. Someone actually hunted me down based on my post history and I had to take the time deleting most of my old posts.

So from my perspective it’s not just you. I’m back to being a lurker.

dylanTheDeveloper ,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I stopped posting when most of the smaller communities died out due to the DDoS attacks on Lemmy world. All the larger communities are pretty hostile to new people

Illecors ,

Please don’t. Join another instance, run your own, whatever. We need more canapés!

Sekrayray ,

Ha ha I wish—that’s one of the few things I left up that didn’t get completely bombed by a hostile user and their 8 alt accounts. All I said in a comment was that women should be allowed to play video games without the expectation of being hit on my random men, but I guess that’s an unpopular opinion 🤷‍♂️. No more content from me lol.

Illecors ,

Couple of things.

  • There’s some quote about evil winning when good peeps do nothing
  • You need a thicker skin. Aim for a world where you don’t, but this one requires it. Besides, it’s the internet - fuck em.
Sekrayray ,

Appreciate it. I’ve got a thick skin in real life—I just feel like doing anything in the virtual world which requires me to engage my thick skin is sort of a waste of my energy. I zero percent mean that as though I’m trying to start an argument here, but if I’m gonna get cyberstalked for a couple comments here or there it’s just not really worth it to me.

Blaze ,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Sorry to hear. If you want a more laid-back community, there is !casualconversation

Sekrayray ,

Thanks, I’ll give it a try. Just made my first post there

spaduf , (edited )

Worth noting, the number of people who come here “to escape authoritarian moderators”. Nearly all of them were moderated for good reason.

I also don’t think the presence of places like hexbear are doing us any favors.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

You can see them jumping from Lemmy server to Lemmy server as they get banned from each.

Eventually, they’ll just set up their own instances so they can bother people with impunity.

themadcodger ,
@themadcodger@kbin.social avatar

And then we block that instance! Or it gets defederated.

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

…and then they spin up a new instance with a new domain…

Domains are unfortunately fairly cheap and it’s not impossible to get a different IP assigned to a server box.

psud ,

I don’t mind costing them the effort or $10 for a new domain

Incidentally I have several domains with DNS provided by freedns.afraid.net, which allows sharing domains. Everyone who asks for a domain under any of mine just seems so very sketchy. Now I have to worry if they’re a nazi looking for a new domain to get banned

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

It would be super nice if users could block instances.

Like, I have no desire to see anything from the furry instance.

federalreverse ,

I think that’s coming (or is it implemented already!?)?

spaduf ,

I totally thought that was in 0.19 but I haven’t actually seen that yet.

seathru ,

It’s under Settings -> Blocks -> then down at the bottom is the block instances option.

ShittyKopper ,

the 0.19 implementation is so half-assed I genuinely think the Lemmy devs just don’t want that functionality but expected quite a lot of backlash if they outright said as much, so they decided to implement something that ticks the box in the “wanted features” list without having any effect

afaik it only blocks communities and explicitly lets users from blocked instances through

nutomic ,
@nutomic@lemmy.ml avatar

Feel free to make open an issue to improve instance blocking. Or better yet a pull request. We are only a few devs with limited time, and hundreds of issues to work on.

Blaze ,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Sorry for this kind of aggressivity

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

0.19.1

mars296 ,

This is possible on kbin.

growsomethinggood ,

You can do this with certain apps, like Boost!

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

Huh, I guess I haven’t tried it recently, because that’s what I’m using.

reallyzen ,
@reallyzen@lemmy.ml avatar

Or Connect (Android)

seathru ,

You can on instances running .19 or newer. Settings -> Blocks -> then at the bottom is an option for blocking instances.

Traegert ,

Connect has been able to do that from the get go. As well as individual communities within instances.

sour , (edited )
@sour@kbin.social avatar

no work in microblog tab

spaduf ,

Isn’t that basically what basedcount is?

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m unfamiliar with it. Would you be so kind as to explain what you mean?

spaduf ,

This guy
From the siderbar:

Avoid Censorship. Stay Based.

567PrimeMover ,
@567PrimeMover@kbin.social avatar

So there's going to be a fediverse and a mirror fediverse?

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That was always a risk of decentralized services, unfortunately.

psud ,

And the other one is the one with opposite facial hair

Ilovethebomb ,

You’re describing Hexbear.

Ghostalmedia OP ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

The thing that actually worried me a little bit more was people upvoting the aggressive comments to be top comments.

I was reading some thread over at !politics today, and a lot of stuff advocating for political violence were the top comments. Mods yanked it, but nevertheless, people were vibing with some comments about dragging people through the street. I felt like I was on X/Twitter.

spaduf , (edited )

Yeah, I think it’s a legitimate and growing problem. I think a lot of folks don’t realize, but since growth has slowed from Reddit more broadly, the people who feel they have been “unfairly silenced” are the fastest growing subpopulation around here. If I’m honest, I think the only real antidote is to reestablish growth from communities with kinder dispositions.

exocrinous ,

We don’t need to take from nicer communities, we need to build nicer communities. Right now there aren’t any left wing instances, which is a big problem. It was nicer back when lib.lgbt existed.

blackn1ght ,

Lemmygrad or ml aren’t left wing? The entire platform feels left wing as all anyone can ever say is how bad capitalism is.

spaduf ,

Right now there aren’t any left wing instances

Bro what

Also it doesn’t have anything to do with political distribution. It’s an issue of habit and disposition.

exocrinous ,

Left wing people are disposed to helping others. Right wing people aren’t. Nobody’s cultivating left wing spaces where kindness is a habit.

kromem ,

People like to fetishize revolution.

Even offline I have friends that talk that kind of way and just reveal themselves as being poor students of history.

SorteKanin ,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

Well remember that any instance you federate with also gets to vote. If you feel like votes aren’t matching your values, perhaps you should try an instance with more of the “aggressive” stuff defederated.

Ghostalmedia OP ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Possibly, although those instances also have less content. I remember starting out with a BeeHaw account like many of us here. Trade off was often less content, no ability to create your own communities, but less people lashing out at each other.

SorteKanin ,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

Beehaw is very selective though (and that’s fine). There is a middle ground between lemmy.world and Beehaw though.

But you said elsewhere that you go on American political communities. I’m not American but from what I’ve seen, it is hardly surprising that those places would be toxic. I think at this point, arguing US politics online seems like a lost cause. You’re probably better off discussing politics IRL.

exocrinous ,

You think Beehaw isn’t aggressive?

d3Xt3r ,

I was reading some thread over at !politics

There you go, that’s your problem. Political topics always gets heated and brings out the worst in people, no matter the platform. The first thing I did is block all politics (and general news + sports) communities, and it’s been a fairly pleasant experience so far for me, except for the odd troll or fanboy that shows up every now and then.

Ilovethebomb ,

Lemmy.nz also defederated Hexbear, which helped a lot.

Technically they pulled a “you can’t fire me, I quit” and defederated first, but whatever.

DrRatso ,

Yea, they tend to do that, think they did the same with blaahaj. Pretty funny tbh.

exocrinous ,

You didn’t block all politics. Everything is political.

blackn1ght ,

No it’s not. You can have casual communities or gaming or sports communities that aren’t political.

exocrinous ,

Casual conversation, gaming, and sports are political.

teawrecks ,

You read my mind. It’s the same feeling I got when a reddit sub would degrade into a toxic circle jerk, and I’d have to unsub. Except it feels like it’s a lot of lemmy communities lately. I feel like I can’t respectfully disagree with anyone without being met with ad hominem attacks. I don’t think something like changemyview could survive.

Also reminds me of those anti-moderate subs, which is a sentiment literally synonymous with radicalization. I’m all for free speech, I would just rather they state whatever take they have with a calm, measured demeanor.

exocrinous ,

You have a problem with people being against the status quo?

Ilovethebomb ,

Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and Lemmy.ml bring nothing of value to the community, in my view.

Pratai ,

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/cff49925-44fb-4aa9-89a0-f98971f32596.jpeg

The irony.

pan_troglodytes ,

hexbear is insanity larping

exocrinous ,

Hexbear called me a troll for being further left than them. They thought I was an extreme caricature of a leftist for saying things like “xenogenders are real” and “slurs against disabilities are bad”. My presence was actually critically destructive because I had effective points against all their reactionary opinions that made it impossible for themselves to honestly call themselves leftists. Now it’s against the rules to like me on there. That’s how bad I was for them.

CannotSleep420 ,

I haven’t noticed a change, but I also haven’t ventured outside of the echo chamber/hug box of my subscribed communities feed.

Vanth , (edited )
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    SnotFlickerman ,
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    More exposure in news and media. More asylum seekers from reddit.

    Definitely. A few months ago, there basically weren’t any crytpo-bros on Lemmy. Now any time I say anything negative about crypto, about six of them jump out of the woodwork to give their big long spiel on “the useful use-cases for NFTs” which I just roll my eyes harder every fucking time over.

    It’s mainly you just have more trolls and aggressive people because we’re beyond the initial group who was actually looking for more community. Admins/mods do a pretty good job of banning trolls, but not until after they’ve shitted up the place for a bit, usually.

    Also, the nature of Lemmy means that someone who gets banned for spamming an article just goes and makes an account on a different instance and then just goes and makes the same post in the same communities literally minutes later.

    Popularity is rising, the bad actors are coming. Oh well.

    half_built_pyramids ,

    Anyone here seen the folding ideas video?

    SnotFlickerman ,
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    It’s a quality video, but I bowed out about halfway because I was already familiar with about 90% of the stuff he was discussing.

    Great source for anyone looking for a good breakdown of the whole situation.

    I usually just point to this quote from NFT co-creator Anil Dash:

    www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/…/618488/

    But the NFT prototype we created in a one-night hackathon had some shortcomings. You couldn’t store the actual digital artwork in a blockchain; because of technical limits, records in most blockchains are too small to hold an entire image. Many people suggested that rather than trying to shoehorn the whole artwork into the blockchain, one could just include the web address of an image, or perhaps a mathematical compression of the work, and use it to reference the artwork elsewhere.

    We took that shortcut because we were running out of time. Seven years later, all of today’s popular NFT platforms still use the same shortcut. This means that when someone buys an NFT, they’re not buying the actual digital artwork; they’re buying a link to it. And worse, they’re buying a link that, in many cases, lives on the website of a new start-up that’s likely to fail within a few years. Decades from now, how will anyone verify whether the linked artwork is the original?

    All common NFT platforms today share some of these weaknesses. They still depend on one company staying in business to verify your art. They still depend on the old-fashioned pre-blockchain internet, where an artwork would suddenly vanish if someone forgot to renew a domain name. “Right now NFTs are built on an absolute house of cards constructed by the people selling them,” the software engineer Jonty Wareing recently wrote on Twitter.

    Meanwhile, most of the start-ups and platforms used to sell NFTs today are no more innovative than any random website selling posters. Many of the works being sold as NFTs aren’t digital artworks at all; they’re just digital pictures of works created in conventional media.

    The limited number of bits in the blockchain is a massive limitation on doing anything functional outside of bookkeeping with the crypto on the blockchain. It’s the most fundamental aspects of NFTs and it has been broken since Day One.

    SlicingBot ,

    This is such a useful comment that I’m bookmarking this. I know that NFTs are flawed tech but I struggle to explain it well.

    SnotFlickerman ,
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I strongly suggest bookmarking the article as well, since that’s where the quote came from.

    SlicingBot ,

    Solid, I will.

    pan_troglodytes ,

    NFT’s are like those companies who will offer to sell you a square foot of scotland so you can call yourself a lord.

    const_void ,

    Now any time I say anything negative about crypto, about six of them jump out of the woodwork to give their big long spiel on “the useful use-cases for NFTs” which I just roll my eyes harder every fucking time over.

    This seems to correlate with the sudden rise in promotion of the Brave browser I’ve been seeing here.

    Omega_Haxors ,

    Yeah I don’t trust anyone using that pedo browser. If I see that shit on their desktop they’re not getting a second date.

    Omega_Haxors ,

    Man one of them was trying to bring their crypto bullshit here and I fucking ripped their ass a new one. It’s probably still sore to this day.

    HerrBeter , (edited )

    What are you on about? If anyone is interested, read my comment history

    Edit: if we store the shitty pictures on blockchain, literally nothing changes, except a big and bulky blockchain. “I can just save the picture lmao” will still be the answer… Are we supposed to store every software on blockchain too? I don’t think it’s viable

    This article too is flawed

    Hackerman_uwu ,

    Positive and negative are qualitative and measures in this case.

    Subjective ones at that.

    Yoz ,

    That’s just normal behavior of human beings.

    NikkiDimes ,

    Fuck you

    Edit: im sorry

    Yoz ,

    Lol 🤣🤣

    Porokoro ,

    This place has always been a shithole. It has been months since I’ve been on here and this place is still as mind numbingly stupid as ever. The userbase is 40% brain dead Marxists who are vile and hostile, 30% insufferable tech bros who spam the same posts and articles day after day, and 30% annoying Redditors that made Reddit annoying who decided to migrate over.

    There was a brief period of time over last summer when the Reddit meltdown was still fresh where this place saw a surge of normal people posting normal content, but the newness of this site faded and most people went back to reddit where is actual content, thus leaving the extremists and spammers who would’ve been banned on there anyway.

    gapbetweenus ,

    Found the guy responsible.

    Porokoro ,

    What I said is true

    gapbetweenus ,

    Yeah, you are definitely contributing to the negativity. That is also true.

    Porokoro ,

    Okay, cry about it

    gapbetweenus ,

    Thanks, for making my point for me.

    Porokoro ,

    You’re welcome

    gapbetweenus ,

    See, not so difficult to be a good, polite boy. Have a treat.

    MonsiuerPatEBrown , (edited )

    I apologize if these include me.

    As we in the US loom towards the election I am getting more and more raw and worried about it. And with that my fear brings out screechy obscene me. That is one of my fear responses that I lose the handle on a lot.

    So please forgive me. I will try to avoid political threads as we ramp up to either the end of American democracy or the continuing gerontocratic oligarchic republic.

    Baylahoo ,

    I feel the same way. I’m not sure if it makes it better but you’re not alone.

    paraphrand ,

    My sympathies. Really.

    thorbot ,

    Lemmy is a left leaning echo chamber loaded with hateful and violent speech toward Trump and the GOP in general. Whenever I bring this up, I get downvoted to oblivion. I hardly engage anymore, not like I used to. Too much crazy. Trust me, I fucking hate Trump, but the death threats and shit are too much

    DigitalAudio ,
    @DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz avatar

    I’m not even American and I usually don’t care either way, but it’s so annoying. Why can’t we just have apolitical or at least more focused communities online anymore? I would literally join any community that outright banned all political speech for a change nowadays.

    Baylahoo ,

    I follow American politics because I know it will affect me. I feel like I need to know. I don’t think that that info should exist everywhere. Getting a break is very important to me too. Everything seems to be much more political with the Internet because how much more aware we all are. I would like to see some community where it’s not politics or governments or anything.

    DigitalAudio ,
    @DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Exactly. Just discuss anything else. Whatever. I don’t care anymore. I don’t want to know. I have absolutely no control over whatever happens in most countries, and I only have control over my own votes (if anything). Online discussion and politics always gets insanely toxic and dogmatic.

    Gabu ,

    Being apolitical is the same as being worthless. It is the absolute duty of every member of the polis to participate actively, which includes praxis.

    DigitalAudio ,
    @DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz avatar

    That doesn’t mean we need to discuss it everywhere, all the time. For starters, not everyone is American and wants to see American centric discussions everywhere, and also, not all discussions everywhere need to start revolving around modern politics. Creating apolitical spaces doesn’t mean being an apolitical individual. Just wanting to look for more peaceful alternatives.

    I’m perfectly fine with being called worthless if you can’t see the logic behind that, I legitimately don’t give a shit as long as I can get a break from the insane and miserable shit throwing that is online political discourse.

    If you like feeling miserable and angry every time you go online, great for you, but I’d much rather have an option not to do that.

    Chadus_Maximus ,

    Taking about U.S politics is a good way to make anyone not from U.S leave. I don’t care about politics, yet my wish to not get bombarded by it simply cannot be fulfilled here. So I have to seek other social media platforms, which means I spend less time here.

    littlebluespark ,
    @littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

    The simple (depressing) fact that U.S. politics affects nearly every single person on the globe to some degree makes your indifference towards politics in general somewhat dangerous on a personal awareness level. Consume what data you choose, but avoiding it only prolongs the inevitable?

    Gabu ,

    hateful and violent speech toward Trump and the GOP in general.

    As should be the case :)

    These groups are only alive by sheer mercy.

    spider , (edited )

    Well, that’s what Trump and the GOP do, so turnabout is fair play.

    However, “left leaning” is a relative term. Just mention the Green Party and you’ll get a hail of downvotes and / or accusations of pro-Russian sympathy from establishment Dems.

    Allero ,

    Essentially this place is Palestine-Ukraine-Biden-centric, and that is long known.

    Saying anything on the opposite, even marking the shortcomings of above governments and military will immediately get you downvoted, regardless of your actual stance.

    This is a problem we have for a while.

    One potential solution? Keep voicing it up, screw everyone who downvotes. If they want to bring arguments, they’ll have to do it in text. If they make threats, report them to mods. Down arrow means nothing by itself.

    Kedly ,

    LMAO

    rabiddolphin ,
    @rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

    You got to be edgy on the internet, it’s the law

    paraphrand ,

    And it’s self reinforcing through irony laden posts like this.

    paraphrand ,

    Many will tell you this is normal and just how the internet is.

    How depressing.

    robocall ,
    @robocall@lemmy.world avatar

    My suspicion is that a lot of redditors migrated over here about 7 months ago when certain apps shut down, including myself. At first, they were polite in an unfamiliar environment, but they’ve grown comfortable and act out, or speak less thoughtfully, like they originally did on Reddit.

    rabiddolphin ,
    @rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/df0845cd-7638-4294-988b-5aa7c872eaa9.webp

    I’ll downvote all of you

    NotJustForMe ,

    I would guess that many people came here for that reason. On Reddit, keeping etiquette has become more important than contents. Having your post deleted because of noninclusive language or harsh tone, that’s not fun. Having to write “in my opinion” before any relevant sentence is also annoying. Of course, it is. It’s always opinions.

    Bunch of pansies with keyboards, as some would say.

    It might be partly that. And have you seen how neighbors talk to each other?

    I try to concentrate on the content, and I always keep in mind that the author might be in a hurry, is having a bad day or whatever. It’s rarely personal.

    Renacles ,

    That’s not the Reddit I remember

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