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Is it just me, or have the comments on Lemmy become extra aggressive over the past 3 months?

I feel like things on Lemmy were pretty chill several months ago, and that’s started to change.

People used to talk each other like they would talk to a neighbor. Now I get the sense that people have become quick to be negative, attack, and not be constructive.

Am I crazy in feeling like the vibe has changed?

doctorcrimson , (edited )

Marked spoiler for potential vibe harshing

spoilerIt might be a mix of a lot of things. The Palestinian Genocide, Ukrainian War, Chinese Expansion, actual probable chance of a second Trump Presidency, and a great many other issues are probably weighing heavy on the minds of net denizens. That and less sunlight than in the summer months. Plus I’ve never seen any posts from a Foodporn or cute pets lemmy community, but I have seen crimes against the culinary arts and some posts about pets that have died. People are just not feeling optimistic, and that leads to feelings of repression and anger.

rbos ,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

The superb owl community is pretty great for cute animals

littlebluespark ,
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

It really is. And, the Flammulated beat the Great Horned in a complete upset during the community-wide poll! 🤩🤘🏼

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

The spoiler block doesn’t work on Sync it seems, unless you used the wrong >!spoiler tags!<. I wonder if it was the full stop or it being broken over several lines.

doctorcrimson ,

I definitely haven’t used the wrong tags because my instance formatted it for me when I selected the text and clicked the spoiler button above the text box. I’m sorry yours uses a different format or that your reader/viewer application doesn’t support it.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Weird, I did the same from the editor. it works for me on Sync bot not on lemmy.world on web /: Guess they need to sync these, otherwise we’ll have spoilers floating around everywhere in the face of unsuspecting readers

sukhmel ,

Seems like Sync only understands one-line spoilers, so you need each line in a separate spoiler

Porokoro ,

The Palestinian Genocide

Lol imagine believing this

christian , (edited )
@christian@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, probably a little, but this same change was 1000x more noticeable like half a year ago when reddit banned third-party apps. I think it’s reasonable to lament the change, and I kind of miss the tight-knit community from the first three years I was here, but it’s still worth celebrating the platform taking off. Ultimately all you can do is be the change you wish to see in the world.

That said, if we start getting heavily astroturfed with bots and spam I’m going to be a little less zen about it.

Cinner Bot ,

That said, if we start getting heavily astroturfed with bots and spam I’m going to be a little less zen about it.

The spammers aren’t here in custom full-force software_dev_lemmy_bots mode yet, but when they come, moderation tool development will increase in effort tenfold.

The nation states are already using their “play Guess The Bot and lose” games. It’s the ones who post often and with clear lines in the sand you need to worry about. Problem is, there is a sea of regular people just like that.

Lemmy needs to go through a fork or three before it becomes viable to the mainstream. Currently Lemmy users produce much less legitimate worthwhile information on far less subjects than reddit, and even Quora shudder thinking about it.

Granted, I’ve only been here for about a week before reddit disabled 3rd party apps. Maybe the first 3 years were the golden years. I’m only speaking as to the bot infestation I see currently.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

How do you know the bots aren’t already here? What security fortress does Lemmy have that reddit doesn’t which stops bots from being here?

christian ,
@christian@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t anymore, but it definitely still doesn’t feel anywhere near as bad as reddit is.

In the past, the security fortress Lemmy has had that reddit doesn’t is the userbase being too small for organizations to feel astroturfing is worth their time.

GoodbyeBlueMonday ,

I must be ancient here, because nobody has claimed this is like September 1993 all over again…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

Justas ,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

I am not that old but I know that reference. :)

Mango ,

I was 2. I’m still traumatized.

UnrepententProcrastinator ,

Holidays, shorter days, colder weather affects depression a lot.

And there is a correlation between being very active on social media and depression.

Online Social Networking and Mental Health

Just be nice and patient with them they deliver most of your content for free.

CultHero ,

I just started a few days ago and already had to deal with a transphobic troll. Online is so toxic that I’m afraid eventually all social media platforms end up on trolls radar and they seek to destroy them. It’s a shame because they ruin social media for everyone including themselves.

So many people lack a basic sense decency that they actually think it’s ok to cause harm to other people simply for their own amusement. It’s usually straight white american males too.

fellowmortal ,

It’s usually straight white american males too.

Can I ask why you wanted to add the last sentence? You might be right, statistically, but the tone sort of implies that you judge the group rather than the behavior. (apologies if that was the joke).

CultHero ,

Personal experience.

From personal experience about 80% of the harassment I recieve is from straight white american males, not kids either, many times they’re middle aged. There are some females in the mix, rarely people of colour but there have been a few.

If I were to guess I would imagine it’s because women and people of colour also belong to vulnerable communities and run the risk of attracting the wrong type of attention and becoming targets themselves.

Not every white american male is a troll or violent obviously but since 2015 the ones who are continue to become active threats.

Honestly I see them almost as victims themselves. No troll, stalker, mass shooter, etc started out that way. They became radicalized online by getting wrapped up in online activities they were not emotionally nor intellectually equipped to handle.

An example is the Christchurch massacre …m.wikipedia.org/…/Christchurch_mosque_shootings

He didn’t start out as a mass murderer, he was radicalized online in places like 8chan. He even posted on 8chan that they needed to keep an eye on Christchurch because something big was going to happen.

It’s not just americans and it’s not just white males but so many get caught up in the culture of trolling that there are going to be those who become fundamentally damaged by the continued activity to the point that they take it too far and sometimes that leads to things like mass shootings, or swatting, stalking or other criminal behaviour.

fellowmortal ,

Thanks for your response - I think that we agree. My point was just that your post was about being decent, then you randomly dunk on a group.

It’s not that your personal experience isn’t representative - I think that there is a contingent of privileged people who feel left out by progress towards a level playing field. That sort-of makes sense, right? There are also strong echo chambers pushing those people towards radicalization. I suppose I’m asking you to feel empathy for these, very privileged, victims of a society that doesn’t know how to engage with them. Egalitarianism has to bring everyone along - I don’t know if that can be done.

vulgarcynic ,
@vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s so easy for them to fall in to those holes. I’m currently half way though my 19th year of being a father to a what is now a fellow man.

That’s a loaded statement, but trust that he arrived there on his own. We had some amazing conversations along the way about; what gender meant to him, what the words gay and stright meant, hell we discussed what his fursona “could” be.

That one scared me, I was on b long enough ago that furf*g (sorry y’all) was still a term that I had defined 20 years ago without reassessment until the moment the 13 year old that was my favorite human brought it up over greasy appetizers at Applebee’s during a 4 day LAN party. Man, those kids that were sightly older than him with tails and ears were his everything at that event. Haha

Anyways, all along the way I’ve been part of his dialog with “the Internet”. I’ve done it as a very active user and a long time lurker. I still have irc channels I idle in and I still remember epic gets going back to 1 million. I was a boxy hater and you’ll never convince me otherwise even as the shoe head shit comes back as lame ass Q pedo baiting for 40 something neckbeards with poor relationship skills and amazing commander decks. (trigger warning for keyboard warriors that are really going through it, I hope you find grass some day).

I digress. What I have seen and tried with all my ability to do is steer him from being someone incapable of true human interaction and empathy despite natural bias. I think I got there but it wasn’t without tours through Wikipedia articles about misogyny, incel culture and feminism. It wasn’t without incredibly frustrating moments where I didn’t get why the fuck you’d spend hours a day on YouTube being fed what ever shit the algorithm served you. But I asked if we could go over his watch history and I had honest conversations with him about Andrew Tate and that culture. We did. I think I made things better by doing it too. Either way, there’s millions of dudes out there who never had that and it sucks. But advertisers know that nothing sells better than anger, unless it’s loneliness.

No matter what though, we may be an anomaly. And I understand why some can’t help but yell online in impotent rage. The only path they see to actualizing that is through a barrel. My neighboring high school senior year was the site of one of the first mass school shootings in America some 25 years ago. Now I’ve normalized active shooter drills and had legit discussions with my ex-wife about bulletproof backpacks. The fuck are we doing?

It’s a travesty we don’t have the support systems in place for anybody that doesn’t have the means for self sufficiency and it’s ever more so that we have created systems that further deny that for those that would benefit most from them. I don’t have an answer. Wish I did because it would sure give me something to write a manifesto about and possibly even inspire a lifestyle change to the Vegas strip with a belt pack microphone. That always seemed like an interesting reality. Alas, I’ll continue to live in a medium sized town, building a bug out NAS and hoping shit doesn’t get so hot I’m too exhausted to enjoy the fallout.

Stay safe out there. And thanks for letting a 40 something CIS dude monopolize the Internet once again.

/rant

WanderingVentra ,

Good, high quality comment. It’s these discussions that I like Lemmy for, and makes me confused about why everyone complains about it.

Even though I was on the other side of you in the Boxxy wars (lol feels so quaint now), I think we’d agree about a lot. You sound like you’re taking a very active part in your child’s life, which is key nowadays in this age of the internet and social media. So many people are letting their kids get half-raised by the algorithms without any oversight or context. Just wanted to say that though I don’t know you personally, I can tell that you care and are doing your best, which is all we can do in this crazy world, and I’m happy we still have parents like that who are able to adapt to raising a kid in this “information age”.

vulgarcynic ,
@vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works avatar

I won’t hold the Boxxy against you. Lol. Thanks for the reply and encouragement. Trying is the best we can do and hopefully it makes a difference in the end. I advocate for all the other parents I encounter to try and be aware of what’s out there, it’s not like it was when I was growing up where the worst that could happen is you’d end up cybering with some creepy old dude. But that’s hard for folks to do when they too are distracted by the asshole parade that is most social media.

I appreciate a thoughtful response as well. If we’re all diligent we can keep that discourse as the standard here and maybe continue to live in that early internet era that Lemmy had in the beginning. Much like Portlandia, the dream of the 90’s is alive on the fediverse.

Cheers friend!

Holyginz ,

So I am also a straight white American male and the ones I blame for this culture is the old rich white American males. They don’t want to lose power so they use their money (Rupert Murdoch as an example) to radicalize those who don’t have the education and/or training to tell real from fake. Yes there will always be the “deplorables” as well. But i do feel for those who fall for the bullshit. Doesn’t mean they can be allowed to drag everyone else down, but I at least understand how those who might have initially had the best intentions could be radicalized into more extreme mindsets. Propaganda and peer pressure is far more powerful and insidious than a lot of people give it credit.

spaduf ,

I imagine you’re at least in your 20s and so I’ve got bad news for you. The younger folks in their teens now are absolutely skewing right in a big way.

Omega_Haxors ,

Can I ask why you wanted to add the last sentence?

cracker emoji

prole ,

Because it’s true? And this is coming from a straight, white, American male.

dumpsterlid ,

Yeah, another straight white male agreeing here. I’m sorry, it’s just not punching down to target my demographic because we are the ones traditionally that have been given all the power to do the punching.

unreasonabro ,

look at you pretending you don’t use heuristics

vulgarcynic ,
@vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works avatar

As a straight white American male, word.

And, sorry (that’s my greeting, lol. no one seems to ask why when you’re 40, bearded, chubby and white, they just nod in silent agreement).

Some people just don’t like others to have nice things. Even if it’s something that should be as simple as tolerance at worst and acknowledgement and acceptance at best. A diverse community creates a better world, it can also cause stress for folks that are afraid of change. Thank you for being part of this one and sharing your experiences so any of us that are listening can self analyze and be better in the future. Please be patient with the slower ones as they are drug Cialis first into the modern world.

Sometimes it’s hard to see yourself through a narrow lens.

dessalines ,

Report transphobic comments and we’ll get to them as soon as we can. No one should have to deal with transphobes.

davel , (edited )
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

I just started a few days ago and already had to deal with a transphobic troll.

This is why a lot of trans people are on Hexbear, which aggressively polices such behavior and defederates from instances that don’t sufficiently moderate it.

MonsieurArchi ,

Yes! I’ve been seeing a lot of toxic comments and posts lately. It’s kinda turning into a niche hyper toxic reddit.

pan_troglodytes ,

many, if not most of the popular/highly-trafficked communities are basically echo chambers now, anyone who disagrees with whatever the cookie-cutter general consensus of the day is becomes a hate magnet.

exocrinous ,

Disagree with an admin and you’re a pariah.

fosforus , (edited )

I find comments like this a bit weird. I first got into lemmy about 2 years ago, and back then lemmy.ml was full of toxic leftism. It still is, but at least now there is more federation so it’s easier to ignore all that without losing all comments.

Overall, toxicity rises with popularity. It’s just impossible to gain a lot of users without some of them disagreeing with you. And social media is designed to increase friction, so things get toxic. Even if Lemmy isn’t making money from that friction like something like Reddit is, it’s still using the exact same design.

ProdigalFrog ,

At least in the communities I’m subscribed to and interact with, I’ve still seen it mostly be positive interactions.

Omega_Haxors ,

It’s been my experience that it’s a couple problem instances where most of the toxicity comes from.

Fudoshin ,
@Fudoshin@feddit.uk avatar

Lemmy.ml users are the worst by a long shot. I hear they’re mutants who live underground!

Omega_Haxors ,

Well i’m here to put the allegations to rest: I do in fact live above ground.

Pratai ,

Had an account there. It was permabanneed for telling someone on Hexbear that their meme responses were childish. Ever since then I just block that entire instance from my feed.

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/4c941c88-54c8-4107-bad1-d76e105123c9.jpeg

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes I can agree, I am on the way to becoming a T-9000 cyborg humanoid warmachine.

SorteKanin ,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

Which ones, if you don’t mind me asking?

Ilovethebomb ,

Any of the .ml domains are cesspits to some degree, ironically enough.

Omega_Haxors , (edited )
  • Hexbear: Similar to lemmygrad they have their strong convictions, but don’t have the maturity to back it up.
  • LemmyWorld: Users are a mixed bag but the admins seem dead set on turning the place into a nazi bar.
  • sh.itholefor.nazis: The only thing you need to know about these guys is they have a c/ for conservatives
  • feddit de: Literally every user on this instance is dead set on reminding you that Germany never underwent denazification
  • discusstchncs de: same story but to a much less extreme extent
  • lemm ee: The owners don’t really moderate and its users reflect this fact. Universally unpleasant userbase.
Pratai ,

You forgot Lemmy.ml which is a combination of all your examples.

Omega_Haxors ,

Really? Even the ones with nazis in them? Really would like to see you justify that one.

EDIT: Oh you’re one of those anticommunist nonces. Okay, discarded.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

From my experience I think tchncs.de is fine, and lemm.ee is a victim of large userbase. You have few iffy people on slrpnk and sopuli at times, but things like that are best ignored.

As long as the political takes do not start to become obviously stupid or have evil moral intent, a basic level of the hot takes should just be ignored. One needs to tolerate a bit of this stuff just for mental exercise and to “know the enemy”.

Omega_Haxors ,

I still remember that clash I had with an ecofash on slrpnk. Thankfully they were quickly taken care of but even some of the gold star instances can have problem users from time to time.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Give it 2-3 more months, and we will have a better consensus on how Lemmy will stay for a while. I think the most important part has been solved, that being Lemmy becoming a defacto valid, sane, non-conspiratorial and non-fascist alternative to Reddit that does not need to act like a “safe space”, retaining some open discourse qualities.

In all honesty, I do not want the whole Lemmy to become a singular 100% leftist echo chamber entity, but have instances that also broadly cover the spectrum outside of rightwing lunacy. Richer discussions allow for bidirectional flow of ideas, and it is pretty much established that people eventually start to like too many leftist ideas, even if not all. I have worked for 3 years to help refine and grow Lemmy, and the more established it becomes as anti-capitalist/corporation Reddit alternative, the lesser those shithole Reddit clones and private spaces get to grow (ones where rightwing, Western nationalist, anti-LGBT, pedophilic and hateful elitist LARPer narratives flourish the most). Private spaces should be for personal and sensitive conversations, confidential stuff, or people like activists, dissidents and professionals.

Omega_Haxors , (edited )

I’m extremely confident that at the very minimum Lemmy will be a nice little hangout spot, but it’s seeming like it’s going to be far more than that from what i’ve seen so far. It really is unique in that different types of shittiness is isolated within instances which means people will converge where they should be and problem groups will naturally DNI with each other leading to minimum conflict in the long term.

What really makes lemmy special is its true freedom of speech approach. And actual freedom of speech, not just nazis talking over marginalized people or single individuals controlling the conversation through their star power alone. You can make a random post, good, or bad, doesn’t matter, and you’ll actually be able to get organic traffic on it. I mean for god sake I made a crappy joke about cutting the mold off of cheese and growing marshmallows on trees and it got the attention that it deserved (which, to be fair, wasn’t much)

Mastodon barely anyone will see you unless you already have a following, and that sucks. You don’t really have to worry about that here.

exocrinous ,

Remember that time the World admins removed the rules against discrimination from their terms of service and got rid of the code of conduct? Racism was legal for a while there.

.ee is my favourite instance because I trust the average user more than the average admin.

Omega_Haxors ,

To be fair anything is a step up over LW’s antimoderation. They wanted to be reddit and I think they succeeded in the worst way.

exocrinous ,

Antimoderation seems to be the norm on Lemmy. For example, I was banned from Beehaw for being “pompous”. I have narcissistic personality disorder, and being pompous is a symptom. It’s a disability that interferes with my ability to display humility. I was being nice, kind, following the rules, doing what I was told, trying to resolve problems peacefully, and the admins said I was pompous and banned me. NPD isn’t a disability when it comes to kindness, morals, ethics, or prosocial behaviour. But I can’t turn being pompous off, any more than I can turn being weird off as an autistic person.

sunaurus , (edited )

lemm ee: The owners don’t really moderate and its users reflect this fact. Universally unpleasant userbase.

This is categorically untrue. You can find our administration policy here, and we frequently ban users for breaking our instance rules. At most you could make the claim that we are lenient when it comes to things like heated arguments, as we often give warnings or temporary bans to users in such cases, but on the other hand, our “no bigotry” rule is very strict, and violations have consistently resulted in permanent bans.

We of course don’t screen all posts and comments which our users write, so we can only respond to reports, but I assure you that our admin team is constantly going over and responding to the report queue (which is a big effort, and clearly a thankless job).

By the way, I just want to point out that we have ~3000 active monthly users on lemm.ee, I find it very unlikely that you can make an accurate universal judgement about such a huge group of people.

Omega_Haxors , (edited )

That’s what the owners of feddit de said too and it didn’t stop their users from constantly leaving harassing messages on anything left of hitler. In fact, it was one of your members leaving a shitty comment that spurred me to add ee to the list, it wasn’t even included initially.

EDIT: You do realize that modlogs are public right? I went through them and was less than impressed with what I saw. It seems your idea of “moderation” is to remove when people call you on your shit, which is especially convenient that someone just so happened to call out that your conservative c/ (why is there a conservative c/!?!) is being run by an actual pedo. So yeah, sums up what I expected from you guys.

sunaurus ,

I am not really interested in discussing this with you, as you already have an opinion about lemm.ee and seem intent on spreading false rumors about us. I’ve learned several months ago that no matter how much you give to people for free, there will always be users demanding more, so I don’t think there is any chance of you being interested in what I have to say. I am just responding here, so other users who may end up reading this thread don’t come away with the impression that what you are saying is true.

First of all, no user has ever been banned from lemm.ee for criticizing the admin team. Our admins have banned nearly a thousand users in the past ~7 months (just think about that for a second - that is a massive amount of bullshit our volunteer admins have had to wade through in the span of less than a year), and indeed the mod log is public, so you can easily check the ban reasons, which are consistently related to violations of our basic instance rules.

If any moderation team on any of our communities does not follow our instance rules, then such communities are closed. We have in fact had to do this several times before with some conservative-type communities, mainly because they wanted to push the ideas that some people, based on their identities, are less valuable as humans that others. The current conservative community on the other hand is consistently moderating based on our instance rules, and they have incorporated the no bigotry rule into their community rules as well. If this ever changes, then we will take action, just as we have done previously.

Regarding the allegations against one of the mods, I’m not sure if you’ve seen the event they were referencing, but I think it’s safe to say that this event was extremely misrepresented by the accuser. In any real cases of CSAM, lemm.ee has taken drastic actions. We have purged, banned, defederated, reported to authorities, we have implemented some technical safeguards, and we will continue to take action like this in the future as well.

Let me just finish off by saying that we are a volunteer team giving up our time for free. I realize that users want admins to be perfect and moderate exactly in line with their preferences, but we are humans, we miss things, we make mistakes, and we can not possibly be available 24/7 or read every single piece of content posted by other lemm.ee users.

Omega_Haxors , (edited )

Letting it get just bad enough that it doesn’t cause problems for you isn’t how anyone should moderate. You have to be proactive and get rid of problem users before it gets to that point, make it clear that isn’t welcome, which is something your instance has routinely failed to do.

Also for the record I know that you’re full of shit when it comes to the owner of conservative c/ not being a pedo because conservativism is at its core a pedo ideology, just like all right-wing ideologies; it always comes back to child abuse with those types. CSAM attacks don’t happen in a vacuum, they happen when you foster the kinds of people who are into that shit and you make them feel welcome, which is exactly what your “we’re going to do the bare minimum of moderating” is attracting.

I’ve already made it clear that i’m not going to fold to any of your tricks, and you’ve made it clear you’re aware you’re wasting your time on me, so why you even bothered to besmirch your reputation by even engaging in the first place is beyond me, but definitely speaks to the lack of experience and borderline negligence that you carry about. I sincerely hope shit gets better for you and the mod team and hopefully an actually competent moderation policy can go a great step in ensuring you never have to deal with more attacks going forward, because that shit fucking sucks and nobody should have to go through it. I hope whoever did it is rotting in a jail cell and that’s coming from a prison abolitionist.

Oh and BTW just going forward, don’t tell someone whose complaining about your instance members being harassing little shits “nuh-uh disinformation” unless you’re prepared to get a fatal dose of all that fermented spite unleashed right into your face. Making it about you is the single worse thing you can do in that case and really tells everyone in the room where your priorities are.

EDIT: and there go the downvotes, well I think that’s a good of a place as any to cut the thread.

areyouevenreal ,

You think being a conservative is a pedo ideology? Are you serious? Wow.

Omega_Haxors ,

Party of lowering the age of consent.

areyouevenreal ,

Which country is this?

Omega_Haxors ,

All of them, really. Conservatism has its roots in upholding systems of oppression and child abuse.

areyouevenreal ,

Definitely has roots in systems of oppression because conservatism by definition supports the current system which is oppressive. The latter part you are gonna have to prove.

Omega_Haxors ,

Conservatism doesn’t support the current system which happens to be oppressive, they support the current system because it’s oppressive. The original Conservatives formed because they wanted to defend the monarchy, which was a system of oppression which makes even capitalism look tame by comparison. The only reason they jumped ship is because socialism became the greater threat.

As for the ties to child abuse that’s a case of just look at the connections and the people they choose to align with.

KrasMazov ,
@KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I’m only gonna comment on Hexbear and you’re completely wrong. They do have less patience with libs comming there saying shit, but everytime that happens, there’s always people actually engaging and backing up all of their claims. It’s not only dunking.

WanderingVentra ,

It’s usually buried under the dunking but I think that’s because hexbear doesn’t have up and down votes, so they have to comment to make their opinion known. It leads to a lot of annoying brigading looking behavior on comments, but at least their good comments tend to be pretty good. Sometimes it’s not worth digging through all the sarcasm, pig poop balls, and picture posts to find it, though lol.

Ilovethebomb ,

You’re right, and you’re on one of them.

Omega_Haxors ,

Oh yeah i’ll add ee to the list. I knew I was forgetting someone.

ProdigalFrog ,

If you’re talking about the two that I think you are, I agree. I suspect my pleasant experience is due to my instance defederating completely with those, which is pretty swank.

exocrinous ,

I’ve seen toxic behaviour supported by mods on Hexbear, Beehaw, and Blahaj mainly. World is also pretty bad.

half_built_pyramids ,

If I say something spicy it’s usually because I feel like whoever I’m responding to isn’t making a point in good faith.

There was a thread last month where someone was asking why race was a bad thing. That wasn’t the text, but it was subtext. I posted something about how op probably would have been sterilized under eugenics policy. I get why I was banned. It was spicy. I still think op was pulling a “just asking questions” racism. I responded how I felt that kind of question deserved to be treated. Look me up in the mod logs if you’re curious.

Omega_Haxors ,

Leave it to lemmy.world to ban you for being against eugenics.

SorteKanin ,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

I still think op was pulling a “just asking questions” racism. I responded how I felt that kind of question deserved to be treated.

I suppose you wanted to handle it yourself, but the proper way to treat that stuff is just to report it to the mods and move on.

half_built_pyramids ,

Post is still up, friend. Or at least I assume it is because I got banned from that community and I can’t see the post anymore. I didn’t see that mod take anyone else out with me, either.

MBM ,

Ah yes, the “you can say the most vile shit you want, just remember to be polite about it” ideology

haui_lemmy ,

I feel like its hit and miss with lemmy. Depending on the topic, your way of thinking and the community, you can either get folks to be agreeable and helpful or get dogpiled on, called names and other childish things.

The internet is still a place where being a jerk has no major consequences so folks may let loose ok someone they deem lesser than themselves, dumb or plain offensive.

IRL this doesn’t break through as much if you‘re no longer in school as most workplaces at least have some restrictions against bullying or mobbing and a lot of peeps have good lawyers these days.

So, from someone who polarizes since being born (not by choice): it’s just circumstances imo.

TORFdot0 ,

I think there are more bummer world events happening like the Israel Hamas war and bummer late stage capitalism in general which leads to more inflammatory and charged discourse, compared to just after the Reddit exodus when we were united against Reddit.

Lemmy in general isn’t different from other social media in that it isn’t great for political discourse. Without the human connection there is less incentive to consider the experience and viewpoints of others when you can just downvote and read a hundred that agree with you

SorteKanin ,
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I honestly don’t feel much has changed. There was perhaps a bit of a “new” feeling in the start and some excitement about the project, but I don’t think people have gotten more aggressive or anything.

But I think all this probably depends what circles you hang out in. Probably also depends on what instances you federate with.

CitizenKong ,

A lot of people are having a hard time right now. Try to be the change you want to see and react kindly and rationally would be my advice.

scrubbles ,
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    psud ,

    I’m over this meme, mate

    dylanTheDeveloper ,
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    I’m not your mate buddah

    OpenStars ,
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    It has gotten worse and it will only continue to do so. There are people who are respectful and hold back their darkest impulses, but there are others who choose to hold those same features in high regard, as literal virtues in their eyes. Blocking hexbear and lemmygrad has helped my own peace of mind immensely, but you would not want to block lemmy.ml or lemmy.world or such so… here we are.

    I do not really see any permanent solution to this problem, short of eternal vigilance. That’s just nature though, e.g. viruses constantly evolve and seek new hosts, hence hosts that do not keep up die, there’s no way around needing to keep up defenses against such a tireless onslaught. Similarly for information vs. misinformation too, it seems:-(.

    It has also gotten much harder to have any discussion with even the tiniest hint of subtlety on the Fediverse - is Biden/Linux/socialism/religion good or bad? “Yes.” For some of us, knowing what will happen - the flood of toxic responses I mean - if we dare to speak up is enough to cause us to cringe enough that we would simply rather stay silent instead. If only the opposing side were like that too! But no, they elect not to hold their own tongues, even while expecting YOU to hold yours. That too seems just the nature of the universe.

    SnotFlickerman ,
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    if we dare to speak up is enough to cause us to cringe enough that we would simply rather stay silent instead.

    It’s a different kind of Chilling Effect. It reduces conversation, because it convinces some people to not become involved at all.

    OpenStars ,
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    Whereas conversations like this one with you has the opposite effect - thank you for your addition and the link:-).

    Omega_Haxors ,

    People here realize that narratives have consequences and know we can’t just live in la-la land where everyone is happy all the time. I mean yeah you can do that but then don’t be surprised pikachu face when you find yourself in the company of neo-nazis who are doing the same.

    OpenStars ,
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    Lolz you are hilarious - if I get called a derogatory term like “stupid”, and I don’t like it, then I am a literal, actual Nazi? :-P That really makes me curious… what if I DO like it:-P?

    Omega_Haxors ,

    Could you please translate, that was completely incoherent.

    Katrisia ,

    I haven’t noticed, but some people say they are feeling political tensions, and…

    The year 2024 is notable for the large number of elections, with 7 of world’s 10 most populous nations (Bangladesh, India, United States, Indonesia, Pakistan, Russia, Mexico) voting; countries that are home to nearly half of the world’s people will hold elections in 2024.

    From the Wikipedia complete list.

    I guess everyone is just a little worried about national and international elections.

    lolgcat ,

    This is the first I’ve heard this perspective. It’s worth keeping in mind the remainder of the year. Thanks for that

    sukhmel ,

    I’d say things look progressively grim in the world even outside the elections being another possible source of problems. I used to not know what anxiety was, now I can only wish I still didn’t

    Mango ,

    I FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!

    01189998819991197253 ,
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    I bite my thumb at you, sir! And at you, as well, sir!

    ettyblatant ,
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    I don’t wanna talk to you no more!

    01189998819991197253 ,
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    Hahahahahahahahaha!!!

    GoodEye8 ,

    YOUR MOTHER WAS A HAMSTER AND YOUR FATHER SMELT OF ELDERBERRIES!

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