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cybervseas ,

Japanese Fried Chicken? JFC

Looks like this is “Japang”. Terrible reviews online and described as actually a “ghost kitchen”.

bolexforsoup ,

Ghost kitchens for those who don’t know are basically “restaurants” for online takeout orders. They don’t do in person service.

NoIWontPickAName ,

It’s more they use spray existing kitchens to do so.

The Denny’s around here is a ghost for like 3 different places

bolexforsoup ,

Yes sorry you are correct, forgot that critical piece. They often service multiple “places”

BarbecueCowboy ,

I’m not a fan of this, it’s definitely not great, but I’ve tested the AI drive through lanes, not the worst possible future.

metallic_substance ,

Sure, it might be convenient, but our society is not structured in a way that allows this to work. We need deep, deep social support or people will suffer greatly

BarbecueCowboy ,

I don’t think anyone ever said anything about it being convenient. I’m pretty sure I specifically said it was bad just not as bad as it could be.

ThePantser ,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

At that point why even have a cashier? Just put a POS and have people swype to enter like a subway.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Because then you can’t show the world that you’re a piece of shit who enjoys exploiting cheap labor.

thanks_shakey_snake ,

Sounds like they’ve already got a POS, just higher up on the org chart.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Ah, wordplay!

whyNotSquirrel , (edited )
@whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m confused, what else could POS mean but Piece ofr shit?

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

POS - Point of Sale

Also POS - Piece of shit

PunnyName ,

Also POS - Also Piece of shit

FTFY (sorry, just having fun 😊)

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

Username checks out.

Zachariah ,
@Zachariah@lemmy.world avatar

POS POS: piece of shit point of sale

shalafi ,

$3 is good pay over there, buys way more than our $3. Bet people are scrambling for those jobs. Good money when the daily min wage is $8-$10.

For example, my wife’s ex took her family and friends to the fanciest restaurant they could find. $120 (including tip) for 16 people.

Americans are the ones exploited here. McDonalds is pumping money out of the country and taking our jobs.

Lost_My_Mind ,

There’s a movie called Eurotrip. Its about 3 college aged kids taking a road trip through Europe.

I forget what country they get to, but it’s a run down mostly Indian country. They stay at a hotel, and the bell hop handles their bags. They try to give him a tip, but realize they only have like 17 cents. So he gives him a nickle, and says “Its not much, but maybe having some American money is novel.”

The bellhop is shocked. Made to look like he’s angry. So the bellhops boss is just walking by. This is after his interaction with the main characters are done. His boss starts yelling at him. And he yells “FUCK YOU! YOU SEE THIS??? I GOT A NICKLE!!! I OPEN MY OWN HOTEL!!!” And the boss is horrified. He says something like “For a nickle, that hotel will be the nicest in (whatever country they were in).”

Your comment reminds me of that scene.

Wogi ,

But do you think Scotty ever found out?

person420 ,

Don’t tell him just in case.

rekorse ,

Your take away here is that Americans are the real victims? If we are talking about countries, theres not many that have caused as much suffering and death as America. We just do it for money instead of religion.

America exploits the rest of the world, full stop.

aidan ,

America exploits the rest of the world, full stop.

South America, west Africa, some of the Middle East, yea. Rest of the world, not that much. Out of any conquering army, the US installed regimes have been a bit above the Soviets. Japan and West Germany did great, SK had a tyrannical dictator, so was Chiang-Kai Shek- though the US nowhere near installed him. But neither the Kim’s nor Mao were much better. South Vietnam was propped up by the US but created because of the French. Ho Chi Minh may not have been that bad, and his replacements were ok. Pol Pot was very bad though. Lets not talk about the Soviet invasions of Poland, Budapest, and Prague. And even before that how they forced out previous democratic governments. Basically all the Soviet regimes in Europe sucked(Tito may have been ok, but wasn’t Soviet). Not to mention actions in Mongolia and Central Asia.

If we were to mention British, French, and Spanish empires too. I’d say US world order is a bit above average compared to other world orders- especially in more recent years. Definitely not defending a lot of CIA actions abroad and FBI actions domestically.

rekorse ,

Plus the addition of hindsight bias being applied to what used to be morally grey actions.

I do wish we would just be more honest as a country.

Lommy ,

The POS is too busy running the company

intensely_human ,

Sometimes it’s nice if someone gets a job, and sometimes people like to talk to a person while they’re paying.

explodicle ,

I would rather use a POS terminal than try to talk to someone over zoom with no headphones. If it’s not a human in person who can just say “hmmm the computer is broken here’s your sandwich” then it’s worse.

Hello_there ,

What happens when you join the zoom id listed?

Sanctus ,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

The host denies you access. I just tried, waited for 5 minutes before being denied access.

Zatore ,

shouldn’t the federal minimum wage apply to everyone who is doing work in the US? This seems like fraud

polonius-rex ,

how would you distinguish this from regular outsourcing

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Should apply to that as well if they’re interacting with the US market. All the way through subcontractors to the end employee. No hiding behind contracting local companies.

polonius-rex ,

i don't like outsourcing either, but realistically the machine of capitalism isn't going to allow you to be rid of it in its entirety

honestly i don't even know if getting rid of multinational organisations is on the whole a good thing, and that's the only way i can see of getting rid of outsourcing

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Outsourcing entirely being gone isn’t realistic… But there’s a huge difference between moving an entire team of say developers to India and having a worker teleconference in to be a cashier. Anyone directly interacting with a customer or end user in any capacity should be paid the same as a local employee in the location they’re “working”.

A Telecashier is fucking stupid and ridiculous.

polonius-rex ,

yesssssss, but i don't know how you'd make a legal distinction between those two

then again i'm not a law talking guy so what do i know

Kraven_the_Hunter ,

Remember when we learned that Amazon’s “just put it in your cart to buy” algorithm was really just a bunch of people in India watching you shop on the store surveillance system? That was, like 3 months ago maybe??

grue ,

but realistically the machine of capitalism isn’t going to allow you to be rid of it in its entirety

Who said anything about that? We’re just talking about putting tariffs on outsourced labor to correct for negative externalities.

Allonzee , (edited )

Outsourcing is the problem.

The owners take advantage of our commons, tear up our roads, and succeeded because of domestic infrastructure, only to refuse to pay full price for labor and allowing even those wages, in lieu of the taxes they bribe our government to enact loopholes to dodge, to “trickle down” domestically as their always bullshit yay market capitalism talking points lied?

It’s absolutely clownshoes that outsourcing labor/manufacturing is allowed, not because of domestic shortages for a skill, but to explicitly pay pennies on the dollar for the employees you need and screw the country you don’t want to pay taxes to despite record profits even harder.

It’s insane. But we let the owner class dictate whatever they want here, and our well bribed government will even sell it for them by calling it “something something freedom” while never mentioning social consequences, accountability, or responsibility. We aren’t so much a country as a piggy bank and cudgel for the global owner class.

sandalbucket ,

Something something candlemaker’s petition

MNByChoice ,

For those in WTF.

investopedia.com/…/candle-makers-petition.asp

samara ,

Borders are violence

Allonzee ,

I agree, and I’m for dismantling them.

But capitalism has to go with them. Because as it is, the owner class already enjoys a borderlees world, while manipulating those borders against everyone else.

Borders exist solely to maintain and enhance the power of a nation state’s elite. If a people allow an elite class to rise without check, borders will always be inevitable.

Croquette ,

That the neat thing, you don’t.

Here, for certain industries (might be all but I don’t have first hand accounts of that), the contractors must make sure that the companies/freelancers they employ pay their taxes, otherwise, they are on the hook for it.

Do the same. If a company outsource work, they should prove that they pay the same as they would in their region, and if it not, be hit hard by fines and/or jail time.

But one can only dream I guess

shalafi ,

$3 is loads more than the Philippines minimum wage. I think it’s $8-$10 per day.

Also, y’all are thinking of what $3 buys in the US. The purchasing power is far different. $3 buys a lot over there.

I’ll ask my wife when she gets home, but I bet $3 is equivalent to $10-$12 in the US.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Also, y’all are thinking of what $3 buys in the US. The purchasing power is far different. $3 buys a lot over there.

You misunderstand. We aren’t unaware or ignoring the purchasing power difference, that’s obvious, everyone knows currency differs. The issue is and always has been the outsourcing to increase profit in general, regardless of country or purchasing disparity. There is no reason to use a teleconferenced cashier for a retail location other than minimizing employee pay, not just by paying the minimum required here but literally taking a local job and shipping it overseas so you can instead pay what would be a clear poverty wage here, while undoubtedly having record profits like all these companies end up with.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

So, there actually is a reason to do this beyond pay, but clearly pay is the actual reason they do it.

A restaurant has a set amount of staff. What happens if a few are sick and they have trouble finding someone to fill in?

A remote agent like this could be from a larger organization being contracted out and you’d never have to worry about not having someone to be available.

Edit: 1 person could even be managing multiple stores where they queue the person to assist you as it detects you approaching. Less ideal would be ‘someone will be available in 45 seconds’ type queuing.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Or they just hire enough staff to run the business in the first place. Something that used to just be how you operated a business. If the business wants to gamble on regularly operating without enough employees to cover multiple sick calls then they need to deal with the results of that decision.

Pull from other locations to cover, or God forbid, a manager actually covers a shift, or just close the location for a day if they cannot cover it. You know, what every business that operates with employees deals with.

You’re making excuses and trying to find a justification for a fucking disgraceful, greedy choice by the owner of this business.

NotMyOldRedditName , (edited )

No I’m not, you’re just jumping to conclusions. I clearly said it’s obviously about the pay.

The actual idea has potential merit like it or not. It doesn’t have to be scummy. It could be a US based corporation that pays US employees the same or more than what they’d get paid to be there in person.

The employee as I said could be managing more than 1 store, thus be providing more valuable work, and thus earning even more than they’d be earning at the restaurant, or 711, or wherever.

And they could be doing it from the comfort of their home making for a happier employee.

It just turns out that the way this has been implemented has been terrible and exploitative.

Edit: it could even be numerous ipad based kiosks around a mall where you could talk to someone and ask questions about the mall, without having to find and go to the info booth that’s in a single spot (that could also have an actual person there for those that want that). There’d always be someone available since there’d be multiple people for multiple malls all trained on each mall.

intensely_human ,

We aren’t unaware or ignoring the purchasing power difference, that’s obvious, everyone knows currency differs. The issue is and always has been the outsourcing to increase profit in general, regardless of country or purchasing disparity

This makes it sound like your problem isn’t someone getting hurt; it’s someone doing well.

aidan ,

Everyone complains about small businesses being driven out, especially in NYC. Their two biggest costs are rent and labor, so of course they try to minimize both of them.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

You know what’s cheaper than hiring a cashier and teleconferencing them from the Philippines?

The owner running the cash register. You know, like nearly every non-chain restaurant in the country.

aidan ,

Owner could be the chef, it you know, might not want to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Then don’t open a restaurant if you can’t even afford the minimal staff to run it.

aidan ,

They found a way to make it work.

Miaou ,

I mean, yeah probably. That’s not the point. The point is that it’s a race to the bottom for people living in higher cost-of-living places.

PunnyName ,

Okay. Imagine the purchasing power of someone who made the NYC minimum wage of $16/hr.

Maybe pay people for their time, not what the exchange rate “might” be.

intensely_human ,

If I’m paying NYC minimum wages, I’m getting someone from NYC, in NYC.

Sorry lady from the Phillipines. You’re out of a job because they put in this new “outsourcing must be at local wage rates” law.

sunzu , (edited )

Do you think anybody in NYC would cry over this?

I am not sure why anyone in NYC would care about

Sorry lady from the Phillipines. You’re out of a job because they put in this new “outsourcing must be at local wage rates” law.

Lol what is your angle here

aidan ,

Why are people from NYC more deserving of a job than her?

sunzu ,

NYC more deserving

That ain't how this works. If somebody is has some sort of special skill that is needed or there is a shortage, fine.

But using foreign labor to lower wages locally, is just a bad policy for the state and for the workers, only people benefiting is the rent seeker.

Why would anyone who works for money shill for the benefit of the rent seeker?

aidan ,

only people benefiting is the rent seeker.

I know this isn’t what you meant. But you know de-localizing jobs would probably have the effect of lowering rents.

only people benefiting is the rent seeker.

And the people who are now employed, and their local community that they spend that money in.

Again why is someone in NYC more deserving of it than someone else?

sunzu ,

But you know de-localizing jobs would probably have the effect of lowering rents.

Naive take... Rent seeker always maximizes profit.

NYC resident pays taxes and consumes in NYC.

Why are you advocating of transferring money out of the community? Why would anyone advocate for lower wages in their community?

This common sense stuff. Your whole weird play on "deserving" is a clown take. Disingenuous at best. This has nothing to do with deserving and everything to do with labor economic and labour policy which should be set for the benefit of tax paying public.

So again why would NYC or American taxpayer care about an Asian worker competing purely on price? What benefit do they get?

You know rent seeker don't give two fucks about her lol

aidan ,

Naive take… Rent seeker always maximizes profit.

Yes that is their goal. But they are in competition with eachother, and when there aren’t any people willing to pay absurd prices that have and will come down.

NYC resident pays taxes and consumes in NYC.

Okay?

Why are you advocating of transferring money out of the community? Why would anyone advocate for lower wages in their community?

I am not a nationalist.

labor economic and labour policy which should be set for the benefit of tax paying public.

Benefit of locals, while not benefiting others.

You know rent seeker don’t give two fucks about her lol

Don’t know, don’t care.

sunzu ,

But they are in competition with eachother,

Is the free market in the room with us right now?

I am not a nationalist.

Do you like having paved roads and schools?

aidan ,

Is the free market in the room with us right now?

I agree this is not a free market, but there is still competition.

Do you like having paved roads and schools?

My community could function on less tax money, less developed countries need it more.

sunzu ,

My community could function on less tax money, less developed countries need it more.

Must be nice to be part of the right community. The rest of the country has severely delepdated infrastructure and non existanant social services.

Good for u tho

aidan ,

The rest of the country has severely delepdated infrastructure and non existanant social services.

That’s because of mismanagement not lack of money

sunzu ,

That is correct. Too many middle men in government procurement leeching.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Why would anyone who works for money shill for the benefit of the rent seeker?

Have you seen nearly Facebook America? They regularly vote against their own interests. Wouldn’t surprise me at all that the same people are the ones barely making ends meet, are advocating against unions, being pro corporate business, and laughing all the way to bankruptcy and homelessness day by day because it makes them feel superior to just one person.

sunzu ,

Temporarily humbled millionaires do be like that.

Zatore ,

I really don’t care how much buying power they have over there. A fair days work here in the US should be paid in turn.

intensely_human ,

Well, if you’re gonna advocate for people, you should care what their experience is.

explodicle ,

No, you can always advocate for someone to get paid more regardless of your knowledge of conversion rates.

shalafi ,

And flood the islands with US currency? Seems that would lead to massive inflation and hurt the people not working “in” the US.

Zatore ,

So what your saying is they should be paid less because their currency is trash? That’s a logical fallacy.

Einridi ,

Depends on the region, lowest is about 350 php or 6 usd per day. Most of the call centers are in the big cities however where wages are a bit higher and they well enough to be thought of as a decent job.

Bonskreeskreeskree ,

This practice is rampant across industries and only getting worse. We must demand an end to it through legislation.

Empricorn ,

We may not agree with it, but this is exactly the same thing as an overseas call center. They’re not physically located in the US and are not subject to any laws here.

pruwybn ,
@pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

They aren’t doing work in the US though.

Zatore ,

That is naive. I hope you don’t have any employees

Hossenfeffer ,
@Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk avatar

This feels cyberpunk. Some netrunner will hack the system and give free meals away because fuck the corpos, right?

ColonelPanic ,

I don’t think you need a netrunner to plug a mouse into the pc behind the monitor and hit “Leave” on the (I assume) Zoom call.

Even easier, unplug the ethernet cable.

Hossenfeffer ,
@Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk avatar

Whoa, slow down there, Einstein, I don’t understand your hacker jargon!

domdanial ,

Or turn off the monitor and bounce lol. If you don’t have employees to fix things, systems are hilariously easy to break.

intensely_human ,

plug a mouse into the pc behind the monitor and hit “Leave” on the (I assume) Zoom call.

“If someone’s consistently lucky, it ain’t luck”

LaunchesKayaks ,
@LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck corpo shit

lemmylommy ,

So … they do ask for tips, right?

sunzu ,

Always dear... otherwise owner's children will starve ;)

MystikIncarnate ,

The tips go to the owner.

intensely_human ,

Tips are split and go to the whole team

NocturnalMorning , (edited )

I just wouldn’t go to that restaurant. Plenty of other places to go.

sunzu ,

Critical thinking spotted!

Whoever clicked the link drop the name of that shithole so NYC shitposters know to avoid.

Confused_Emus ,

Thankfully even without the name it’ll be pretty obvious if you stumble across it.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Uh huh…avoid…

tightens brick

sunzu ,

damn fed... can't folk just not spend their money at a place that devalues their labour tho

IzzyJ ,
@IzzyJ@lemmy.world avatar

That only works if consumers organize and have discipline. Like a boycott. Were talking about americans here, they wont bother unless its a trans woman

sunzu ,

You very likely very right but it does not mean that people should not do it and spread the word. Hopefully one day we can hit critical mass.

Vote with your money people, it is the most effective way to exercise of power you have. You must consume but some choices are better than others.

IzzyJ ,
@IzzyJ@lemmy.world avatar

Oh absolutely we should try, Im just a cynic

sunzu ,

me too but but got to fight the good fight.

denying corpos profits does bring some joy in life tho, the last bit of agency before the cyberpunk future.

Rullejorge ,

Not knowing the law in the US I guess it is fully legal. Given that there is no union or chain responsibility in the supply chain or similar to GDPR in EU you guys are fucked until someone abuse the system one way or another.

On the other hand it shows work from home is feasible even with these kind of things.

SoupBrick ,

Ah yes, it’s the minorities who are stealing jobs. Not the lack of regulations blocking corpos from outsourcing work.

PunnyName ,

And black jobs, too!

/s

Wogi ,

Shhhh don’t say that part. We’re supposed to hate each other.

classic ,

This is a particularly suited post for this magazine and the image just completes it

conditional_soup ,

I’m almost certain this has been tried before multiple times and always ended badly. I see no reason to think it would be different now.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

No one wants to see the people who are being exploited.

intensely_human ,

“Please don’t destroy my job to satisfy your desire to virtue signal”

— the person who now has a job as a cashier

IzzyJ ,
@IzzyJ@lemmy.world avatar

Sucks to be them. Stop enabling our owner class to hollow out our economy even more

8000gnat ,

this is simply cool and good

BaroqueInMind ,

I would just unplug the camera and computer. Every day. Even if I wasn’t buying anything.

Fuck this business.

Etterra ,

Be sure to wear gloves.

BaroqueInMind ,

Why?

NatakuNox ,
@NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

Because a person 8000 miles away can’t wipe down anything so the place has to be dirty

hamid , (edited )

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    NatakuNox ,
    @NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

    Ya because they totally won’t cut corners to save a buck

    Passerby6497 ,

    Because you don’t want to leave fingerprints behind when you unplug something on camera.

    TheFriar ,

    Secret…agent man!

    Agent641 ,

    Hi

    TheFriar ,

    Oh sorry, I didn’t mean you, not-so-secret agent man

    intensely_human ,

    They use fingerprints for murder cases, not camera unplugging cases.

    Also, this lady now has a job and you’re talking about ruining her job.

    sunzu ,

    Man wtf is this shit jfc..

    frog_brawler ,

    I want to upvote the first half of this and downvote the second half.

    Bonskreeskreeskree ,

    It’s not illegal to unplug something

    Passerby6497 ,

    Actually, it could be. That could be considered vandalism (you’re intentionally making unauthorized modifications to equipment to prevent it from working as expected) which is illegal.

    But this is New York, so who knows if they would even enforce that.

    Bonskreeskreeskree ,

    They can just plug it back in. It’ll be ok.

    Passerby6497 ,

    Oh, I guess if you can just plug it back in, that just invalidates the downtime that was caused or data being lost.

    Being able to undo vandalism doesn’t make it suddenly not vandalism.

    frog_brawler ,

    It’s not vandalism. Vandalism is destruction of property (physically destroying it). Unplugging something that was designed to be unplugged is absolutely not vandalism.

    frog_brawler ,

    No, at worst, it would be criminal mischief. Criminal mischief with $0 in property damage…

    Empricorn ,

    So people can just unplug cables at data centers because it’s “$0 property damage criminal mischief”?

    Come on, their lawyers would (successfully) argue that they experienced loss of revenue for any amount of time their remote cashier system was not connected and operational…

    frog_brawler ,

    No, “people” cannot even enter a data center without walking through multiple security man traps and providing identification that gets kept at the desk while inside. A data center is not a sandwich shop.

    frog_brawler , (edited )

    You’re significantly overestimating the police response to a non-vandalism.

    Edit: In nyc, they don’t even finger print for an actual vandalism…

    obinice ,
    @obinice@lemmy.world avatar

    Okay but like… how are they gonna count out my change?

    Qwaffle_waffle ,

    For giving you change: www.yourposstuff.com/…/tflexsc.htm

    For counting your change, probably something like this innovorder.com/…/automated-cash-recycling-system

    corsicanguppy ,

    Those are awesome for the 7.2 minutes in a row they work without some intervention.

    Source: McDonald’s drive-[through].

    brbposting ,

    Ohh

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/2946fc49-d936-49f1-847e-7f11ac4f203a.jpeg

    So that’s how it works - video was actually quite interesting.

    The_Worst ,

    In the Netherlands you have self checkout with cash. No cashier involved.

    ByteOnBikes ,

    In Japan, you order from a vending machine, pay the machine, get a slip of paper, and hand it to the cook.

    I think that system is fantastic.

    The_Jit ,

    We have this in the US to. Even McDonalds does them!

    LordCrom ,

    Ya I hate that. I have walked out of a McDonalds and went to the drive thru just so a person would take my order.

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    For different reasons though. In japan it’s for small restaurants which don’t employ many people or don’t have a lot of space or both. For McDonald’s it’s for pinching a dollar more for their empire.

    aidan ,

    In japan it’s for small restaurants which don’t employ many people or don’t have a lot of space or both.

    So about saving money, which is the same reason

    For McDonald’s it’s for pinching a dollar more for their empire.

    McDonald’s is franchised

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    I also love the amount vending machines Japan has. I’d love to have machine for tea or late night ramen around every corner.

    aidan ,

    Not what you want to hear, but it sounds like you just want a kettle

    MeanEYE ,
    @MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

    Haha. If those two were the only things offered in vending machines in japan, then yes. But they don’t.

    Annoyed_Crabby ,

    Cashless payment, or those machine that will count the money, sorta like vending machine.

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