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FQQD , to lemmyshitpost in An actual screenshot from an ad I got while playing a mobile game
@FQQD@lemmy.ohaa.xyz avatar

Please put an NSFW tag on this. I was on the train and when I saw this I had to start furiously masturbating. Everyone else gave me strange looks and were saying things like “what the fuck” and “call the police”. I dropped my phone and everyone around me saw this image. Now there is a whole train of men masturbating together at this one image. This is all your fault, you could have prevented this if you had just tagged this post NSFW

Bipta ,

Thanks for the laugh.

LeroyJenkins ,

it’s true. I was one of those guys on the train. why didn’t OP just put the NSFW tag??

STRIKINGdebate2 OP ,
@STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world avatar

How should I atone for this?

RGB3x3 ,

I think you have to go to that train and get in the middle of the circle jerk.

youngalfred , to aboringdystopia in The children yearn for the mines

Wow did not realise that three of our states don’t have a minimum working age - NSW, Tasmania and South Australia.

FuryMaker ,

What? Source?

Edit: So there isn’t.

www.safework.sa.gov.au/…/wages-and-conditions

TimewornTraveler ,

that is so fucked up

WhatAmLemmy , (edited )

Not as fucked up as it sounds. Federally, the minimum working age is 16 and parents are legally required to keep their kids in school until they’re 16. Most Aussies believe you need to be 14 and 9 months to get a job (beyond the family business), as that was an older minimum schooling requirement (decades ago).

Combined with the high quality of living, low poverty rate, high immigration (suppressing wages), and high minimum wage, this functionally meant that there was never any reason for the states to mandate a minimum working age — businesses didn’t seek to employ them.

Obviously now that capitalism has corrupted most governments and abandoned the social contract, we need to rethink all norms of modern society.

Baku ,

Eh, I agree with you on most of that except the high minimum wage bit.

The minimum wage for anybody 15 or under is 40% of the wage for anybody over 21. I believe that not all industries do have that provision in their award, but all entry level jobs do. I guess it’s a bit of a miracle that it doesn’t keep going down further than 15, because if it did, maccas would probably be run by 11 year olds making 10% of the 21+ wage.

But even besides that, our minimum wage isn’t really high compared to the cost of living, which is the metric that really matters. Our minimum wage compared to elsewheres cost of living is not a good comparison

AngryCommieKender ,

Wait is this an Australian news story? I just assumed it was about somewhere here in the US

AngryCommieKender ,

Wait is this an Australian news story? I just assumed it was about somewhere here in the US

Monument ,

Same. On second glance, though, the site in the tweet is a .net.au.

Not a guarantee, but certainly ups the odds.

bdonvr ,

Oh we’ve been doing this shit too don’t worry

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Is it similar to Texas but with kangaroos?

HereToLurk ,
@HereToLurk@lemmy.world avatar

Or is Texas similar to Australia but with guns?

Baku ,

Nope, this is indeed from Australia. I assumed it would’ve been the US too tbh. But you can tell because our ABC (capitalised) has a different logo to your abc (lower case), and the domain ends in .au (the internet country code for Australia)

MisterFrog ,
@MisterFrog@lemmy.world avatar

If it weren’t for the comment, I would haven’t just not noticed. I assumed the same. That’s fucked.

Gerbler ,

As someone who grew up in NSW it’s 14 and 9 months. Exceptions might exist for family businesses etc. but your 8-year-old can’t apply for a job at Woolies.

youngalfred ,

Apparently it used to be that, but now there is no limit: …nsw.gov.au/…/new-to-work-faq/#:~:text=How old mu….

wesker , to lemmyshitpost in What are these plants called?
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Chodestools

Nfamwap ,

Bravo.

4am , to mildlyinfuriating in Haier, the air conditioner maker, takes down open source third-party Home Assistant integration

“Significant economic harm”

Yeah, like my never considering you for any products ever again you pieces of trash. Why the fuck do your products even need to connect with the cloud?

Fuck off.

Empricorn ,

Why? Their response showed why: so they can sell your data. There’s literally no other reason. And they can’t just sell a product for profit, that’s not enough, they have to also sell out our privacy for more revenue! Otherwise they would have stayed quiet, maintaining plausible deniability and not taken this step. It’s literally never enough for these scumbag companies…

4am ,

Oh yeah, I mean my question was pretty much rhetorical, selling my useage data isn’t a good reason for this to happen.

Still, I’m glad you responded so anyone who wasn’t already familiar can get the perspective.

ShortFuse , to technology in Reddit now blocks signed out VPN connections.

Translation: If we can’t track you, you’re of no interest to us.

ohlaph ,

Basically. They need to know who you are.

Rakonat ,

Correction: They need to know how they can market you to advertisers.

dannym , to technology in Reddit now blocks signed out VPN connections.

Weekly reminder that the best way to tell them off is to donate to the Lemmy developers, even 1 dollar is no doubt appreciated. Tell reddit off by using their competitor and paying for it.

itsmect ,

Reminder is much appreciated. I checked out their donation page and learned that they also accept XMR, which is great if you don’t want to give the middleman leeches (paypal etc.) any data or money: join-lemmy.org/crypto

OsrsNeedsF2P ,

Thanks to your comment, the Lemmy devs are now at least 20$ richer!

freebee ,

With that budget, gonna be some crazy new features soon!!

No really this helps lemmy, good job!

Coasting0942 ,

The server you use would also like some love.

dannym ,

In my case I’m my own server runner but hey I wouldn’t mind a donation 😂

ZhaoYadang , to aboringdystopia in Imagine voting for someone that wants to get rid of the department of education.

And so begins the parade of Argentinians having their faces eaten off by leopards after voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

They’ve been getting their faces eaten off, so they voted for the other party that will eat their face hoping it will change this up.

Apepollo11 ,

Politics. It’s leopards all the way down.

ShitOnABrick ,
@ShitOnABrick@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t matter what politicians you vote for or your politics in question most pretty much all politicians are generally universally all have the same interests at heart and that is money doesn’t matter if your left right tankie librultarian centralist I think that this is something we can all universally agree on

araozu ,

P-p-pero, no es peronista! No es kirchnerista! No puede ser, la 9na es la vencida!

FiskFisk33 , to lemmyshitpost in Microplastic overdose

I got a milkshake a while back, in a plastic container, with a plastic lid, for some reason it also came with a plastic spoon, and a paper straw, since they are cutting down on plastics…

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

>go to mcdonald’s

>order hot cakes and a large orange juice

>receive hot cakes in plastic container, with six individually plastic wrapped teaspoons of butter and a plastic tub of high fructose corn syrup and a large plastic cup of orange juice

>throw away plastic straw

>pull out reusable metal straw

>I’m saving the environment one breakfast at a time

Mr_Blott ,

Ha ha in France they just stopped giving you straws. The paper cup for the drinks just said on it something like "To drink, remove lid and lift cup. You’re not an infant " lol

Now they have those reusable cups and fry holders, which are suspiciously smaller than the paper ones

Only thing I noticed that was single use plastic was the little tub of sauce

Duamerthrax ,

"To drink, remove lid and lift cup. You’re not an infant "

Based as fuck.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

And then you find out that the lid itself is made of plastic

Smoogs ,

Yeah only thing is those cups are like that because people have cup holders in their car or walking with open hot drinks. So calling them an infant just cuz they don’t want to sue their company burns is a bit short sighted. Weirdly bad marketing that they should overlook that as one of the most common demographic getting a packed breakfast in the morning

Mr_Blott ,

A) It’s for cold drinks

B) If you drink coffee with a straw you should be sent to an island somewhere with the people who drive tiny-penis trucks

Smoogs ,

Isn’t that the island we’re on already?

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

What about people woth very limited arm use?

Mr_Blott ,

It’s almost as if those people would know to take a straw everywhere, seeing as they’ve lived with the condition

You’re not helping progress with constantly saying “what about…?”

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

do they though. I don’t think I have seen them carry their own. After all if every place as a straw then you dont need your own. But that is an easy fix for them.

Buddahriffic ,

What about the people who can’t eat or drink and need nutrients pumped into their body intravenously?

MindSkipperBro12 ,

We cannot let the few hold back the many

dubyakay ,

That little tub of sauce could be made of waxy paper entirely, albeit probably at the cost of a lower shelf life.

lennybird ,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

Ah the, “I’ll have a diet coke with this Big Mag, Cheesecake bites, large French Fries” mindset.

over_clox ,

Don’t forget the gallon of gas you burned in the drive thru 👍

Treczoks ,

Here, the paper straws were individually packed in plastic foil.

MashedTech ,

WHAT?!???!?

Meowoem ,

It’s probably a lie, people do that a lot

FiskFisk33 ,

i’ve seen that happen from time to time on prepackaged coffee drinks and juice boxes and the like.

Patches ,

Yes but that was bio-degradable plastic. It will only last 10,000 years in a landfill instead of eternity.

Duamerthrax ,

I know this probably isn’t the best place, but I really hate the way paper straws feel, but I also hate being handed a any straw when I can just drink straight from the cup anyway.

SlopppyEngineer ,

It’s why the EU voted in regulations today against single use packaging despite howls of protest from the fast food industry.

FiskFisk33 ,

really? cool!

SlopppyEngineer ,
Smokeless7048 ,

In my community, most of the lids are biodegradable. Still not great (require an industrial composter), but at least if it is left out, it does breakdown somewhat faster than “never”

Entropy , to memes in Why?

It’s a leftover from reddit. A comment would be marked as “edited” if you changed anything after posting it, and since some people are shitheads and change their comments to say completely different things after people have already replied to them it’s just a way to inform people that the edit you made to your comment was just to fix typos and not anything significant

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Lemmy posts also show they are edited.

Though I never wrote that I fixed a typo on reddit either. Only stating the edit if it was adding info or changing something.

Omgarm ,

I leave spelling mistakes once somebody replied and no comment about fixing it before that.

Dave ,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I fix spelling mistakes once someone replied because that’s when I come back and see my comment again and notice the spelling mistake.

magmaus3 ,
@magmaus3@szmer.info avatar

I tend to leav leave both correct and bad spellings.

AngryCommieKender ,

Lemmy even shows ninja edits. On Reddit you had a few minutes to get a quick edit in before it would be marked as edited. Lemmy gives the mark even if you edit within 5 seconds.

Like so

gtaman ,

Easy solution; show edit history.

Peppycito ,

Seems like the perfect answer.

KmlSlmk64 ,
@KmlSlmk64@lemmy.world avatar

The only problem is if you accidentally include some personal information or other type you don’t want to be out there and you’ve edited it out, you probably don’t want it to be accessible.

gtaman ,

I mean, u can still delete whole comment

Sotuanduso , (edited )

Or people can change their comment and leave in “Edit: typo” to throw people off their trails, like I just did.

What, did you think I was gonna be deceptive?

EDIT: Typo

NewNewAccount ,

Hey man I didn’t know that and that’s super helpful. Thanks for sharing!

GrievingWidow420 ,

«Or people can change their comment and leave in “Edit: typo” to throw people of their trails» indeed, my friend

pressanykeynow ,

So you can edit something significant and just add “edit: typo”.

Kusimulkku ,

It’s funny how people think writing “edit: typo” is more “transparent” and whatnot.

These people don’t know about lying.

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The same is literally here? You will aso got a mark for an edited comment.

AceQuorthon , to mildlyinfuriating in When a stranger ties their dog to your bike.

Free dog!

waz ,

Not sure if you are suggesting op gets a dog free of cost or that they should set the dog free, but I think both options are acceptable.

pedz ,

Sure, free until you have to feed it and pay vet bills.

AceQuorthon ,

Damn, really? :(

jarfil ,

Free pet for a day, free roast for the next… /s

bradorsomething ,

Don’t be cruel, you can just tie it to a bike when you’re done.

paddirn ,

Just borrow it for the day, then drop it off at the animal shelter for the owner to go get. Whatever time they thought they were going to save by tying it to your bike, they’ll lose having to go in to the shelter. If they don’t go for it, then somebody who actually wants the dog can get it.

Gradually_Adjusting , to memes in Would that be a.....snail trail?
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a green flag

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

“Hold on, I need a squirt from my lube snail”

takeda ,

Yeah, don’t even need a strap on for pegging ;)

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t

But other people probably do

ndru , to memes in Totally make sense

When native English speakers complain that changing pronouns is too hard 🧐

moosetwin ,
@moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

man I have that issue but it’s not (just) me being an asshole I actually just suck at remembering that people have transitioned

Ozzy ,

Jerma PFP spotted, massive W

moosetwin ,
@moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

bruh has a -3 on their comment the people hate jerma

brockpriv ,

People like jerma. Op was just cringe

captainlezbian ,

Best move I ever made was leaving for college and coming back with tits. That shock stuck in my friends heads

GlitchyDigiBun ,
@GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Home-grown or store-bought?

moistclump ,

“If you can’t grow your own, store bought is fine.”

MrBakedBeansOnToast ,

I wish it were that easy in German!

BigNote ,

Old English used to have feminine, masculine and neuter like most of the other Germanic languages, but we lost it for various historical reasons.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

The reasons: it’s dumb

Embrace the THE

Rai ,

Based THE enjoyer

Steveanonymous , to memes in Tech News online right now
@Steveanonymous@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like Lemmy is doing a great job at treading water

solivine ,
@solivine@sopuli.xyz avatar

Honestly I’m thankful lemmy isn’t in the media, or this place would grow out of control. I think a steady growth is much healthier.

qooqie ,

I’d be super okay with it getting a bit bigger so smaller communities can flourish and then not getting any bigger after that. Reddit is so big it’s a dreary and dead place in the comments and posts

JokeDeity , to lemmyshitpost in Who knew 1989 was an uneventful year in China

There really are a lot of commies on here aren’t there?

Well not real ones, obviously, but like 15 year olds whose parents work late. Lots of those types of communists.

Lucidlethargy ,

Lol, I’ve been wondering how to describe them…

Like, I have a buddy who’s a communist, and we agree on everything. I come on Lemmy and say I don’t agree with the most extreme forms of socialism and communism, though, and I get straight up shit on and banned as if I said something incredibly offensive.

PopOfAfrica ,

The tankies from hexbear are not real communists. Just right wing trolls.

Godric OP ,

Lol no, they’re not right wing. They just share the trait of being moronically devoted to their preferred ideology.

oatscoop ,

Oh, they’re real – I’ve met several in person. It’s very rare they’re older than “young adult”.

JokeDeity ,

Oh I’m well aware. Hexbear seems to be the biggest hive of bastards I’ve encountered on all of the federated instances. Every hexbear post I see is either super right wing or just insanely cringe My Little Pony type stuff.

Ubermeisters ,

its almost like hexbear is full of pedo right wing shit heads or something

JokeDeity ,

I get the impression everyone on there is typically on 4chan. It’s a cesspool.

mycorrhiza ,

it’s wild seeing these comments get zero pushback.

awwwyissss ,

Take your authoritarian propaganda and arrogance and go back to your own fork.

mycorrhiza ,

Hexbear users can be obnoxious, but they’re not “pedo right wing shit heads.” Ask them what they think about pedos and right wingers.

To clarify my tone, I’m not some scoffing, irony-poisoned debatelord, and when I say “it’s wild” I’m not rolling my eyes sarcastically, I’m genuinely surprised to see this shit.

Sotuanduso ,

I can’t keep track of this one-dimensional political spectrum people keep using. I thought tankies, socialists, communists, and liberals were all considered left wing, but I keep hearing things about some of these groups being on the right instead.

When can we upgrade to the political tesseract?

PopOfAfrica , (edited )

Hexbear is more or less a 4Chan equivalent, sharing the same memes and single image posting behavior. They exist to make left leaning people look bad.

Their supposed communism is equivalent to start an argument online with “as a black man”

Just a bunch of right wing trolls.

Tankies are right wing authoritarians, and don’t believe any of the left wing political they use as a vaneer. Its like how the Nazis were National "Socialists "

Theres a reason they support modern day Russia and China, two notoriously far right nations

archomrade ,

This is the take that bothers me the most, as if the most aggressive and outspoken faction of any group exist only to drag the more respectable members down by association.

I would be one thing to say, “I don’t understand that group”, but it’s quite remarkable to say, “I understand that group so little that they must be the opposition in disguise”

PopOfAfrica , (edited )

Again, they are “left wingers” supporting far right regimes. Its not that big a consipracy

archomrade ,

Just a point of clarification: you think the USSR was a far-right regime?

wanderingmagus ,

They didn’t say the USSR, they said modern day China and Russia

archomrade ,

See, this is exactly what I mean by “I understand them so little that they must be the opposition in disguise”

If you tried at all, youd understand that they’re position on “modern day Russia and China” is based on the idea of critical support. They evaluate policy decisions against “does this bring the working class closer to solidarity or not”.

I.e. on the Ukraine war, their position is basically “U.S. Involvement in any war is a net-negative to worker solidarity in the country of question”. None there support Russia’s invasion, but they think Americas involvement spells the end of any socialist coalition to begin with.

But again, “I understand them so little they must be a part of the opposition”. They have a different (definitively leftist) understanding of the war than you do. Doesn’t make them right-wing.

JokeDeity ,

Stop sucking off Winnie.

archomrade ,

Lol

FaeDrifter ,

They evaluate policy decisions against “does this bring the working class closer to solidarity or not”.

When it comes to Russia bombing their cities and raping their women and children, is that positively or negatively influencing working class solidarity?

archomrade ,

Negatively.

When it comes to supplying lethal aid to Ukraine to continue the war, though, they’d also say negatively.

For the record I don’t agree, but that is their position and I understand it.

FaeDrifter ,

Yeah, well when Hexbear hears that wives and daughters are being raped and says “giving Ukrainians weapons to help them defend their families from being raped is bad for worker solidarity”, it makes Hexbear look like a bunch of rape apologizists.

archomrade ,

I’m not sure why people are surprised that a group largely made up of ML leftists would have a flippant attitude toward geopolitical violence.

My main point is, still, that accusing them of being “right wing” just because you don’t understand their ideological stance is dumb.

FaeDrifter ,

Basically the only difference between ML and the alt-right is that the alt-right wants violence against “libtards”, and ML’s want violence against “shitlibs”, while being insufferably snobby about pretending to be morally superior because they didn’t use an abliest slur.

It’s like you just took a fascist and put them on a liberal’s moral high horse.

archomrade ,

Nah, I think what you mean is that’s the only relevant difference to you. Nevermind that MLs have a body of economic theory, if the most important detail about them is their willingness to use force then I think it’s fair to suggest your prevailing ideology isn’t socialism at all, it’s liberalism. Not that you can’t be socialist-leaning, but if the only difference you see between MLs and far-right conservatism is violence, then you seem blind to the thing that you have in common with them.

FaeDrifter ,

I’m all for Marxism, but I haven’t observed the “body of economic theory” having any relevance, except as a snooby self-righteous justification for authoritarianism and violence.

Even if you were to strip all moral interpretation away, violence and authoritarianism is unstable and ineffective. ML’s in practice are fake progressives, because they don’t even care for finding a stable effective solution. The progression of society is no longer the point.

archomrade ,

From their perspective, all states (especially western liberal states) use violence to enforce their capitalistic order. “Authority” is broadly interpreted as ubiquitous, and all successful revolutions have been to some degree violent.

Not to suggest all authority and violence is the same, but to them, the liberal apprehension to utilize violence is a self-imposed handicap that not even their opposition undertakes.

Similar to leftists frustration with establishment Democrats from using their majority to enact progressive reform.

To them, the only distinction left is the economic structuring that violence is utilized on behalf of.

Again, not my personal position, but this “auth communists are the same as right wing authoritarians” is just willfully ignorant.

FaeDrifter ,

** And take notice that while ML’s claim to not support Russia, they’ll often jump to Russia’s defense, despite Russia funding alt-right and neo-Nazi movements in America

archomrade ,

Because to them, US/western capitalist hegemony is the global opposition to all socialist movements. That Russia is not a socialist state doesn’t change their desire to see western hegemony weakened to make possible broader socialist solidarity.

FaeDrifter ,

So it sounds like the plan is support fascism, for what? To sacrifice who knows how many women, trans people, genderqueer people, POC, just so after society falls there possibly might be a Hail Mary throw at achieving communism?

archomrade ,

Certainly not “support”, no. But frankly, the US has repeatedly been the ones to arm the fascists. That the US is getting involved in this particular fight has probably more to do with their opposition to Russian influence than any stand for justice or protection of the innocent. To say there isn’t much trust in the US acting in anyone’s interest except their own would be a monumental understatement.

I would say (everything beyond this point is my own speculation, since they aren’t here to answer your question), they would rather a treaty be struck sooner rather than later, which would mean the US easing up on lethal aid. I think their general position is that not Russia, Ukraine, nor the US have the interests of the actual working class (or women or LGTBQ+ people) in mind, and the sooner the war ends the fewer people die and the sooner the real work of fighting for those rights can begin. But there will be nothing good about the reconstruction that happens after the war. Ukraine will be beholden to US interests and perpetually in the middle of a geopolitical conflict with Russia for the foreseeable future (no matter what the resolution of the war is). The whole situation is shit, but “let them fight until the bitter end” is probably the least empathetic take I could think of.

I really hate that anything less than “Russia will loose at all costs” will get you lambasted with accusations of simping for Russia. There are precious few here who are willing to acknowledge that there are no good options with this war. I guess it’s easier to let the anger drive decisions when there are no satisfactory solutions to the conflict.

mycorrhiza ,

is Cuba a far-right regime? They just passed the most comprehensive pro-LGBTQ legislation package on the planet.

PopOfAfrica , (edited )

No? Where on earth did i suggest they were.

Modern Russia and China, however, are incredibly right wing, which hexbear users support full throatedly

mycorrhiza ,

Go ask them for their opinions about Russia and China. You’ll get unanimous agreement that Putin is a homophobic capitalist reactionary and Russia is not a socialist or left-wing state. For China, you’ll get disagreements, but most of the takes will be pretty nuanced either way. Some believe Deng’s reforms were necessary to avoid economic strangulation, others are deeply suspicious of the direction China is headed.

PopOfAfrica , (edited )

Im sorry, but my opinion on them has come directly from talking to them. They have on every single occasion supported Putin in particular

mycorrhiza ,

This is just not true lol

JokeDeity ,

It’s blatant though? They use right wing talking points for everything and it’s all dog whistles?

archomrade ,

“Geopolitics exists as a binary, and on some issues they agree with the opposite binary from me”.

Worse actually, “they might agree with me on one issue but they disagree on another, so they must be pretending to agree with me to begin with”

FaeDrifter ,

On hexbear, geopolitics exists as whatever hexbears feel like owns the shitlibs the most at that particular moment.

Sometimes, Russia is just months away from a well planned and strategized victory, against an evil Nazi Ukraine.

Other times, everything is a mastermind NATO move that’s all benefiting NATO, and Ukraine is just the meatgrinder victim.

What feels most alt-right about hexbear isn’t any particular position, but the fact that there’s no particular position. No logical cohesiveness, no rooted in solid reality. It’s superfluid ever changing dream reality.

awwwyissss ,

I think the parallel with right wing extremism is because they’re both pushed by the CCP. They use a divide and conquer approach via LLMs on social media to weaken political opponents.

FaeDrifter ,

This is the take that bothers me the most, as if the most aggressive and outspoken faction of any group exist only to drag the more respectable members down by association.

Eh, only a small minority of hexbears are fascists, but almost all hexbears tolerate fascists. All the fascists have to do is walk in and say “NATO is bad, Ukraine is bad, libs are bad, vote for Trump because he is a big lovable goofball” and the other hexbears are like aight let’s own the shitlibs.

mycorrhiza ,

only a small minority of hexbears are fascists, but almost all hexbears tolerate fascists

A huge portion of hexbear users are trans or otherwise LGBTQ. Ask them what they think fascists want to do to them. Fascists also massacre socialists — often with American support, as in Indonesia, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Chile, El Salvador, Argentina, and Bolivia. Ask them how they feel about this. Hexbear users do hold some complex views on topics like China and Russia, but they have reasons for this and would tell you if you asked. You should consider talking to them, instead of making things up about them in an authoritative tone of voice. You’ll be hard-pressed to find a hexbear user who doesn’t want Trump dead or in jail.

FaeDrifter ,

A huge portion of hexbear users are trans or otherwise LGBTQ. Ask them what they think fascists want to do to them.

Maybe I should ask Jessica Watkins, who explicitly supported fascists, and is now being misgendered and put in the wrong prison by fascists, for supporting fascists.

Trans and genderqueer people can be just as stupid as Cishet people and vote for the leapords eating faces party. It’s not like fascism actually benefits people, it’s predatory to vulnerable people.

You should consider talking to them, instead of making things up about them in an authoritative tone of voice.

I have interacted quite a bit already. I got lots of animal poop pictures and a lot of people requesting that I post a picture of my genitalia.

You’ll be hard-pressed to find a hexbear user who doesn’t want Trump dead or in jail.

I’ve seen a number of comments from Hexbears supporting DJT and not a single comment expressing this.

mycorrhiza , (edited )

comments from Hexbears supporting DJT

show me one

*make sure it’s sincere though, because I’m gonna go over there and ask the user what they think of donald trump and why

FaeDrifter ,

I’m trying to look up the thread. I think my instance might have defederated, I can’t find my comments.

*make sure it’s sincere though

Ick.

npr.org/…/how-extremists-weaponize-irony-to-sprea…

mycorrhiza ,

defederated

Go to the actual URL, hexbear.net

Ick

You’re reaching for some “fascists always pretend to be joking until they’re not” thing, but the Hexbear community originally formed around a deeply irony poisoned socialist comedy podcast called Chapo Trap House, and hexbears themselves are unsurprisingly also very irony poisoned. On top of that they were an insular unfederated community for three years, with no reason to make their banter intelligible to outsiders. They have a rich set of in-jokes and an emoji list a mile long. Your exposure to them is probably one thread where you argued with them and ten threads of lemmy.world users making shit up about them in absentia.

FaeDrifter ,

The podcast Chapo Trap House basically disowned r/chapotraphouse, so pretty much for the poisoned irony getting out of hand.

It feels like r/the_donald, which was also irony, until it wasn’t, and suddenly the internet is swarmed with “ironic” Trump memes until he wins the actual presidency, stacks SCOTUS, which rolls back RvW.

Maybe 10 years ago I would be down with all this irony. But there are real life consequences harming women right now, that are not so ironic.

It’s time to wake up, grow up, pay attention to the consequences and decide if irony and chaos is worth incidentally supporting fascism.

mycorrhiza ,

Here, I grabbed one for you, full of sus-looking comments. Just pick one and I’ll ask the user what their sincere thoughts are. It’s a thread from three days ago about trump’s mugshot. hexbear.net/post/422814?scrollToComments=false

FaeDrifter ,

Aha thank you! That’s definitely one of the threads I was looking for, although the particular “vote Trump” plus comments I haven’t found yet.

AmberPrince ,

Yeah, people say right-wing when what they mean is authoritarian. There’s a guy named Bob Altemeyer that has been studying authoritarianism for decades and he makes a distinction between left wing and right wing authoritarianism.

Sotuanduso ,

That’d make sense, but there’s a good deal of stuff typically considered left wing (like antimisinformation and gun control) that is authoritarian too. Nothing inherently wrong with that, as long as it’s handled fairly, of course.

The troll in me kinda wants to see how people would react if I started calling them righties for wanting to stop hate speech, but I think I know better.

Cabrio ,

Society requires a socially agreed upon level of authoritarianism to enforce the socially agreed upon ruleset. No system of organisation or control is absent from authority, but trying to conflate functional social authority with forced authoritarianism has been something I’m seeing a lot more from fascist thinkers.

Authority: When the majority tell the government how they wish to be controlled.

Authoritarianism: When the government tells the majority how they will be controlled.

Sotuanduso ,

Huh… I see you set a bit of a rhetorical trap there, where disagreeing or countering would make me seem like one of these fascist thinkers. Nice. Might not have been intentional though.

Anyways, I see them as different steps along the same spectrum. Authority is a component of authoritarianism, but the presence of authority is not necessarily indicative of authoritarianism. Authoritarianism is authority taken too far.

On that topic, non-authoritarian authority is not always a good thing, nor does good authority necessarily stem from the will of the people. Sometimes the masses really don’t know what’s best. That said, democracy is probably still the best paradigm humans can manage on a long term.

Cabrio , (edited )

Whether the will of the masses is “right” or “wrong” is irrelevant, society as a construct is one of cooperation for mutual benefit and improved quality of life through cedeing control and authority to those who represent the will of the majority, so if the masses managed to corral themselves into society then the understanding of the benefit of cooperation is strong in the social consciousness.

A result of this is the understanding that anything that works against the will of the masses to benefit from cooperation is unsustainable because it involves exploitation of the least protected sections of society.

This means that anyone trying to abuse and mismanage social systems for their own selfish benefit (emotional, financial, or otherwise) are objectively harming society. Ergo, anything that restricts the will of the masses by allowing selfish minorities to exploit their way to wealth and power and to further let them diminish the capacity of the majority to benefit from social cooperation is forced without consent, we call these actions “fascist”.

Fascism was the default social structure, he who controls the resources controls the society, but instead of that being an elected government of the populace it was one guy and his family that abused their position to maintain that position however possible from the first time an ape stole another ape’s rock to a king stealing another king’s country.

Society has slowly been slowly wresting control from the selfish individual to support the masses as social consciousness grows, democracy was one of the biggest steps in that direction of taking the power out of the hands of fascists and putting it into the hands of the people. But it’s a work in progress, and those that are selfish and want to hold back the progress of social benefit are thusly called conservatives, because they wish to conserve the ability to abuse society for chance to gain more wealth and power than other people as opposed to contributing to society to increase the wealth and power of all the people.

Many of these fascist systems still exist and will take a significant about of time for society to claim more control away from fascist actors, there will always be an ebb and flow of fascism and selfishness in society but that lessens as time goes on. For example, the Democratic electoral system of the US government has been unable to avoid the influence of fascism over the years as evident by legal voter disenfranchisement through first past the post, non-preferential voting, gerrymandering, the electoral college, attempts to limit and remove citizens rights to engage with the electoral system by de-funding postal services and limiting mail voting, etc. These are all fascist claw backs attempting to regain selfish control over societies power structures for their percieved personal benefit.

Capitalism, a system integrated into almost all modern world cultures and societies is also a fascist concession that is a middle ground between kings owning everything in their kingdom to personal ownership and control, of course exploitation is still present under capitalism, because capitalism is just a stepping stone to a socially beneficial system not an end point of social development, it is also one of the last bastions of fascist control over wealth consolidation.

I could go on about how all these developments relate to issues in the social order and the inability for individuals to develop cognisance of the nuances of societies current place in human development but it’s starting to feel like rambling.

If anything I hope that something I said resonates and provides context and understanding of the complex weave that is human social development.

Sotuanduso ,

Kinda skimmed because that’s a really long essay, but:

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

Fascism is a fairly specific thing. It’s not just anything that’s not democracy. Overapplying the term is a tool that allows you to condemn reasonable stances as absolute evil. Note that reasonable, used here, does not mean ideal or without caveats. If you can condemn every stance other than your own as absolute evil, that is radicalization. Radicalization can have its use, but it’s a dangerous thing. It needs to be focused. What is “Punch a Nazi” when capitalists are fascists too?

Cabrio , (edited )

I understand that definition of fascism, and you should read the rest of my post for a better understanding of how that fascism operates in modern society. Nothing I’ve stated goes against those definitions, they’ve just been tempered with the context of modern society.

And yes, capitalism is ‘fascism lite’ if you want an analogy. Profit as a concept is inherently exploitative for the purpose of building wealth and power to exploit more people; power that is used to exert authoritarian control over those who rely on that person’s willing distribution of their excess resources, and will eventually give way to systems that are better focused on social equality.

jbloggs777 ,

and will eventually give way to systems that are better focused on social equality.

That’s one part that I’m not convinced about. I think it can and will happen in isolation, but whether it is stable in the long term and spreads to other countries is another.

One thing that I notice with the communist/socialism gang is that they often simultaneously have faith in the good of mankind and condemn all pro-capitalists and western politicians as evil. Reality is more nuanced, of course.

Anyway, I expect it will be the most robust political and economic systems that will survive and prosper. There are many big challenges (eg. climate change & competition for limited resources), as well as intentionally thrown spanners. Often it has been, and no doubt will continue to be, those who wield the biggest sticks that get to dictate or influence the rules.

My personal hope is that China walks peacefully forward toward a healthy form of socialism and is able to lead the world by example. I have my doubts, of course.

Cabrio , (edited )

It’s already happening in other countries, other first world developed countries have universal healthcare, are looking at reducing full time working hours, implementing UBI not to mention more robust and fair electoral systems.

America still has a very strong Conservative grift slowing the country’s social progress, but the need for the masses to survive will always outweigh the need for the individual to be greedy so movement towards social benefit is slow but inevitable.

jbloggs777 ,

I’m in one of those countries (no UBI experiments yet). We have worker’s councils in large companies and unions, but there is still significant income and (more-so) wealth disparity. On the whole, this is one of those rare cases where the US has helped set-up a better and fairer system abroad than they have at home.

Perhaps the best thing that could happen to the world would be for the US to reform itself - healthcare first. I have bigger doubts here than China, though.

Until such time as they are truly working toward fair democracy and human rights at home and abroad, I think we need more bulkwards against US corporate interests (similar with other countries). Basing international trade purely on business interests and political whims doesn’t seem ideal - perhaps we need more principle based international trade, with incentives to improve.

Sotuanduso ,

You talk about fascism as if it’s the pervasive force of evil. Fascism is a relatively recent phenomenon, a specific manifestation of evil. I believe what you’re talking about is greed, or hunger for power.

Cabrio ,

Nothing about fascism is recent, fascism is born of greed and hunger for power, but the act of engaging in self imposed authority through control of power and resources is fascism. I don’t think of it as good and evil, these are just the actions of people, selfish vs selfless. Society is humanity moving away from selfish towards selfless, movement in the other direction requires engaging in fascism.

Sotuanduso ,

It’s only fascism if it comes from the fascism region of Europe. Otherwise it’s just sparkling authoritarianism.

Cabrio ,

Yes, that is the argument you just tried to make. How self aware.

BigNote ,

Yes, you are basically describing Hobbes’ “Leviathan.”

PersnickityPenguin ,

“In popular discourse, the horseshoe theory asserts that the far-left and the far-right, rather than being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear continuum of the political spectrum, closely resemble each other, analogous to the way that the opposite ends of a horseshoe are close together.”

From Wikipedia

image for visualizing

s_s , (edited )

There’s not many all-in on authoritarianism that aren’t extreme left or right economically.

The political compass is better than a one-dimensional spectrum, but it’s literally twice as complicated.

You can pretty safely plot a symmetrical U shaped line running through the political compass and find almost everybody. That’s why one-axis works well for describing the political climate of the USA, it’s mostly in the right half of the political compass sitting on this line.

So tankies are very Communist (left) and necessarily very authoritarian to achieve their goals.

They represent the other half of the political compass that Americans usually do not see. So people on here frequently get confused when exposed to tankies.

And you also have the tankies talking about the Bernie-Sanders-style/social democrats (found at the vertex of our U shape) as “right” because if you follow the U line, they would be.

Sotuanduso ,

Yeah, political compass is more precise, but I like splitting social and economics too, which makes a cube. Then I said tesseract as a joke.

But “us vs them” doesn’t work as well when “them” has so much nuance.

moffintosh ,

Liberalism hasn’t been left-wing for the past 150 years at this point

Sotuanduso ,

Can you tell me what liberalism is, then? Because to me it’s always meant “left wing on cultural issues.”

awwwyissss ,

Asking a Lemmygrad user to explain something political won’t work out well

Sotuanduso ,

Maybe, but you have to know the definitions they’re using to understand what they’re saying.

mycorrhiza ,

in most of the world, “leftist” implies that you are anti-capitalist, while “liberal” implies that you support capitalism. Leftists believe workers should control production, while liberals believe owners should control production. Liberals might be “left wing on cultural issues” but it’s a lot less consistent among liberals than among leftists. You can find, for example, a large number of anti-trans liberals, but you’ll have a harder time finding anti-trans leftists.

Sotuanduso ,

That still doesn’t tell me what a liberal is. How do you define liberal? At best, what I’m getting from that is “a liberal is someone who supports capitalism,” but that makes Donald Trump a liberal.

mycorrhiza , (edited )

in America, “liberal” also usually implies “left-wing on cultural issues,” which excludes Trump — but like I said American liberals are a large group and aren’t always consistent on cultural issues. I’m also necessarily being kinda reductionist because political labels are pretty messy and hard to pin down. I chose to reduce it in a way that highlights the main disagreement between leftists and American liberals because I think that’s the most clarifying.

Sotuanduso ,

I don’t think highlighting the disagreement between “leftists” and “liberals” is very clarifying here. That kind of clarification tells me “liberals are leftists except for the differences highlighted,” but the differences highlighted seem to be everything that makes a leftist a leftist.

Google tells me that liberal means socially progressive (i.e. culturally left) and promoting social welfare.

How does your definition differ?

Please don’t tell me it’s just “they’re not always progressive and don’t always promote welfare.” : )

mycorrhiza ,

My definition mentioned support for capitalism.

Sotuanduso ,

So a liberal is someone who supports capitalism with social welfare?

mycorrhiza ,

Most American conservative voters also support some form of social welfare. Something like 70% of Americans support singlepayer healthcare.

Sotuanduso ,

Then what’s a liberal in comparison to conservatives?

mycorrhiza ,

There’s no clear dividing line, it’s a continuous spectrum. Many American liberals look center-right to non-Americans.

Sotuanduso ,

Alright, this is probably gonna go in an endless cycle of “Are they this?” “Well, not necessarily…” that isn’t going to go anywhere. Thanks for trying, have a nice day.

mycorrhiza ,

I have no idea what response you were looking for, sorry

Sotuanduso ,

A positive definition (they are X) rather than a negative definition (they are not necessarily Y)

mycorrhiza , (edited )

I gave you one. “Liberals” support capitalism, but in America specifically “liberal” also implies that they trend toward supporting more safety nets than “conservatives” and being more “left wing on cultural issues,” but neither of those is consistent and it’s a spectrum. The main uniting trait of “liberals” in the world is support for capitalism.

*PS I have a meeting in 5 minutes so I can’t continue this

PersnickityPenguin ,

Extreme left-wing ideology is indistinguishable from extreme right-wing ideology. They both want to kill lots of people, and if you aren’t on their side you’re on their shit list.

PopOfAfrica ,

You are thinking on a 2d axis. I find the politcal compass to be a better way to think of of.

Im on the far bottom left. A more libertarian communist. Tankies, supposedly, are on the top left.

AlthoughI still think hexbear users arent engaging in legitimate debate.

Cruxifux ,

The political compass is garbage. All of those political spectrum simplifications are.

PopOfAfrica ,

My point was that its much better than simply “left” or “right” on one single axis.

Cruxifux ,

Yeah, but it gives the same misconceptions to laymen’s that the left to right scale does.

moffintosh ,

Horseshoe nonsense moment

mycorrhiza ,

So you think hexbear users sat around unfederated for 3 years and just pretended to be communists to each other?

AnxiousOtter ,

First time on the internet?

johnrobbespiere ,

Good

rambaroo ,

The irony of saying this when the students at Tiananmen were literally protesting against the CCP for not being communist enough.

JokeDeity ,

Go on. What’s ironic about my statement and what you just brought up? Why do you think me saying that there are a lot of commies here, has anything to do with my view on what happened in Tiananmen Square?

Ubermeisters ,

? your comment makes no fucking sense. Why do you people try SO HARD to have a dissenting but relevant opinion constantly? its tiring, go fuck yourself.

TheLurker ,

Shut the fuck up you brain-dead tankie, troll farm employee.

The demonstration was about the lack of democratic reforms. Literally one of the alternative names given was the '89 Democracy Movement '.

moffintosh ,
awwwyissss ,

Wow, “the mango press,” I’ll happily believe anything they say since they’re obviously not biased and full of shit…

TheLurker ,

Literally academic papers have been written on this subject and this tankie fucking clown links to a propaganda news article.

Fucking tankie logic… “Hurr durr is west propaganda, ermegurd it’s right here in CommieNews.Offical”

mycorrhiza , (edited )

There were multiple perspectives represented among the protesters. Some waved slogans for democracy, others had framed paintings of Mao Zedong. The protests went on for months and were not a unified, centrally organized affair.

TheLurker ,

No one is buying your Soviet Revisionism bullshit. It’s a tired old cliche and we stopped listening many years ago.

mycorrhiza ,

*I have pictures, mentioning this at the top because apparently no one reads this comment

I’m not the person you replied to earlier. I don’t know how the Soviets factor into this, and I don’t think it’s necessarily ideological to mention a concrete detail about an event. Established, western, non-communist, non-china-supporting media sources covered the protests in person for months, and their reports and pictures show a spread of perspectives among the protesters. Deng Xiaoping’s government had detractors from multiple directions.

two pictures, spoilered to not take up space in the threadhttps://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/fc4628df-8520-4ae4-a468-86dbf325e400.pnghttps://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/bb402643-fbdb-4655-a54f-ecf3effa3673.png

TheLurker ,

Sigh, I have pictures of Captain America fighting a Nazi skull monster. Does this prove Nazi Germany had skull monsters in its ranks?

Knock it off and go back to your tankie echo chamber where you all circle jerk each other to alternate history hub levels of fantasy politics.

Or else come back with published, verifiable and academically accepted papers to support this fantasy narrative you are pushing.

BigNote ,

There’s nothing ironic about it at all.

moffintosh ,

Those were the workers iirc

PersnickityPenguin ,

Yes

johnrobbespiere ,

Doesn’t matter for your sort. Whether they be card carrying members or teenagers, all comrades scare your kind equally <3

awwwyissss ,

Go back to your swamp

awwwyissss ,

And also CCP LLM bots.

altima_neo , to pics in Trump's mug shot
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

What is it with all these mug shots having a similar scowl going on?

And looking like they were photographed with a webcam from 2004?

WindyRebel ,

How do you afford quality cameras when your budget goes to militarization of the force?

Madison420 ,

Have you ever been booked? It’s because it is almost certainly a webcam and a very old one at that.

SpaceNoodle ,

Can confirm

weedazz ,

Sadly can also confirm

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

This guy jails

Madison420 ,

Been the jailed never the jailer.

Brunbrun6766 ,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

Nuh uh! Mine was at least taken with a webcam from 2010

demlet ,

He’s trying to look defiant and outraged. Guy knows how to work his marks. I guarantee you every Republican looking at that photo is getting a massive boner over it.

PottedPlant ,
@PottedPlant@lemmy.world avatar

Sad but true

demlet ,

Sad!

DogMuffins ,

massive boner

or a little chubby.

demlet ,

Ha, fair. I was using the term “massive” in a relative sense.

Ferris ,
@Ferris@discuss.online avatar

compared to his hands?

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah, but even Giuliani is making the same scowl, and that guys a total dope.

GingerPale ,

The tee shirts are probably rolling off the press minutes after the photo was released.

SwingingTheLamp ,

Police officers and cameras don’t seem to get along very well.

eestileib ,

Cops are the only photographers in the world better at setting up the lighting for black people.

meldroc ,

Camera angle… The camera looks like it’s set up high, so arrestees have to tilt their heads up when getting their mugshots. Tends to give people a Kubrick Stare.

poppy ,

Certainly odd camera angle, plus bad lighting and maybe an atypical focal length (for what the avg person is used to seeing)?

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