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IHateReddit , to lemmyshitpost in Livin' large

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tja , to lemmyshitpost in I hate being 10. I wish I was 7 again
@tja@sh.itjust.works avatar

I didn’t know what that is and I’m not sure if I want to know

Maultasche ,

It’s basically the modern version of those old GMod videos. Even the humour is the same as 15 years ago.

Shameless ,

Everything old is new again!

Rolive ,

Everything has happened before and everything happen again.

python ,

The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, a Skibidi Toilet Video was uploaded. Skibidi Toilet was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.

gravitas_deficiency ,

You’re the man now, dawg!

Rai ,

PTKFGS

Klear ,

I was actually surprised when I finally watched it. It’s got some absurd quality to it. It’s not just plain dumb, but calculated dumb. It goes on for way too long if you let it, but I don’t regret watching the first bunch.

blackbelt352 ,

Its a high effort, high quality shitpost and honestly a good example of storytelling without any dialogue or text, told completely through action.

agamemnonymous ,
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

I let myself watch the whole thing are there are some surprisingly touching moments.

blackbelt352 ,

There’s legitimately good twists and turns to it as well.

witty_username ,

The gmod idiot box!

Maalus ,

Watched skibidi since it was touted as the gen alpha meme and my first thought was “DasBooSchitt is back? Wtf?”

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Ooooooh nursing home meeting here we go, p.s you gave me nostalgic feeling, punched right in the feelings

flamingmongoose ,

I literally saw someone post on a social media site “What are your stereotypical Gen Z traits? I watch GMod videos on youtube!”. It was literally a whole thing on golden age youtube

Maultasche ,

I think the biggest difference is that most of them are now made with Source Filmmaker. Same models, better video tools.

aBundleOfFerrets ,

SFM existed back then, too

ManniSturgis ,

Nope. Idiots of Gary’s Mod predates it by 5 years.

ManniSturgis ,

Idiots of Gary’s Mod is from 2007. Almost old enough to vote now. I think I just fossilized.

dalekcaan ,

Yeah, I don’t get the hate for skibidi toilet. Like, you guys do realize this is literally the exact same shit we used to watch, right?

drislands ,

I mean realistically, the people who enjoyed it back in the day have outgrown it. So “new” content like this skibidi business, which is the same kind of humor as they used to enjoy 10+ years ago, is deeply unappealing.

iiGxC ,

The channel that makes it has been around for 7 years making sfm stuff from the start, according to scrolling to the bottom of their videos

tiefling ,
Sam_Bass ,

The wiki clears it up none

partial_accumen , to lemmyshitpost in My body and I have an adversarial relationship

When dealing with your stomach its better to treat it like a 5 year old.

“I’m hungry!”

“Okay lets get you some food”

“I want chocolate cake and ice cream!”

“you can have some ice cream, but only after you eat your vegetables”

“I don’t want vegetables! Now I want Pizza!”

“When you eat nothing but cake, ice cream, and pizza you feel really bad. Here’s a steak, some rice, and steamed broccoli”

“FINE!..but I still want the ice cream afterward”

“You cleared the plate! Would you like some ice cream now?”

“No, I don’t want ice cream now. I want to take a nap”

RGB3x3 ,

It’s over when the Brain and Stomach team up to override you and you end up eating pizza and ice cream anyway.

partial_accumen ,

To me thats more of: Brain stepped on a Lego and tripped smacking into the counter edge and is knocked out cold. Now Stomach is running wild and unchecked and pizza and ice cream in excess is consumed by Stomach. Brain wakes up sometime later to deal with the fallout and admonishes Stomach about the bad behavior and makes it promise to never do that again.

db2 , to lemmyshitpost in He has to be stopped

I will never stop!

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

How are you affording this?!

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Venture capital is betting that it will be profitabke one day when pizza eating automation disrupts the market!

Wogi ,

He doesn’t buy avocado toast and makes coffee at home. Obviously

0ops ,

Little Caesars

SomeBoyo ,

How dare you daily consume the equivalent of the GDP of a small nation!

ofk12 , to lemmyshitpost in Uncle brian... I get you now
@ofk12@lemmy.world avatar

That’s me! I love my little nephews but the siblings are so toxic. All they do is tear people down and I stopped caring around the time my brother made a pass at my girlfriend and my sister started cheating on her husband.

I don’t need people like that in my life.

lars ,

Your brother fucking what. Wow.

ofk12 ,
@ofk12@lemmy.world avatar

He’s married as well and treats his wife like shite too.

terabytes , to funny in Transformation complete

He is the Lorax. He speaks for the trees.

Kolanaki ,
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“Quit cuttin’ 'em down, or I’ll bite off your knees!”

Magister , to programmerhumor in Junior Dev VS Senior Dev
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Senior dev here, and dark theme is the best, really, how could we used white as shit screens/IDE before is beyond me. Everything is dark theme here. Using dual 27" 4K (in Linux, using 120DPI for fonts), lot of spaces, readable, smooth fonts

NightAuthor , (edited )

I live in a mid rise apartment with big beautiful windows, and light mode is easier to read in a bright ass room. And I don’t need to deprive myself of sunlight be working in a pitch black basement office, I’m depressed enough as it is.

Just explaining my situation, in a mid-lit room I could go either way. Dark room -> dark mode

evatronic ,

I don’t know how other devs tolerate IDEs in the first place. Is not (neo)vim and CLI sufficient?

Magister ,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

I was using standard editor and cli for years, but for a couple of years now I’m using code in Linux and it’s really good

Thrashy , to lemmyshitpost in United Scams of Assholes
@Thrashy@lemmy.world avatar

The management agency that leased the house I lived in while I was in college tried to withhold our security deposit because we didn’t provide proof of carpet cleaning.

The house had all hardwood floors.

evasive_chimpanzee ,

They gave me an itemized receipt where carpet cleaning was the only item on the receipt when I moved out of a place with wood floors. I actually recorded the whole final walk through with the person from the company walking through saying that it was perfectly clean and that I should get my whole deposit back.

When I complained, they said that it wasn’t carpet cleaning, it was just regular cleaning billed as carpet cleaning. I said I would take it to small claims court, but I never told them about the recording.

They decided to refund me just enough that the money they kept was equal to the cost of filing a small claims suit.

jkrtn ,

Is the cost of filing not added on to what you can receive?

evasive_chimpanzee ,

Maybe, but it wouldn’t be a fast process or guaranteed, so I didn’t risk it.

Drusas , to nostupidquestions in Why bag the hydrant?

Just FYI, the striped pole attached to the hydrant is so it can be found under snow.

PapaStevesy ,

Why wouldn’t they make the whole thing red?

Fester ,

It works in regular snow and blood snow

Chozo ,

I believe there's some logic in alternating patterns being more attention-grabbing to our brains, which is why you usually see stripes on anything you need to be cautious around.

The pole isn't for locating the hydrant, per se, as much as it is for avoiding the hydrant. It's so you don't drive into it if it's covered in snow.

FuglyDuck OP ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

it’s also for locating the hydrant when it’s covered in snow. Historically we’d have 3-4 feet of snow and most places are more than somewhat lax about clearing out the hydrant.

x4740N ,
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Because its easier to see

It’s also why flashing led road signs exist here in Australia around school zones

BangCrash ,

Not a great analogy for somewhere that has snow

Pyr_Pressure ,

I was driving down a highway once and noticed that there was a blue reflective marker on top of the concrete barrier every few hundred feet or so.

Took me about an hour or two before I noticed that it aligned with where the drainage basins were, probably for snow removal in the winter.

jaybone , to programmerhumor in Quick reminder when working on DBs

I think there’s people that don’t know what xkcd is, who have heard this joke.

WarmSoda ,

Little Bobby Tables does sound like something out of a classic comedy movie

Logh ,

Or one of Bob Mortimer’s childhood friends.

themusicman ,

Sniper’s dream we used to call him

CanadaPlus ,

Maybe people who do but haven’t as well. Like, say, around 10,000 of them.

(In case you’re OOTL)

pacoboyd , to linuxmemes in Why don't banks like root on Android?

Let’s be real here. Folks running Linux as thier desktop have a high chance of knowing what they are actually doing. Folks with rooted android phones have a high chance of having watched a 12 year old tell them how to root thier phone on TicTok. Which of these groups is participating in the more risky activity?

Flax_vert ,

I never heard of someone rooting their phone due to a 12 year old on tiktok telling them to

skyspydude1 ,

To be fair, I jailbroke my iPhone 3GS when I was 13 because I saw someone do it on YouTube.

MonkeMischief ,

Woo! RedSn0w got me a sweet animated wallpaper on my 3GS! …That killed my battery fast! Lol

It was neat though.

pacoboyd , (edited )

I’m not saying that they did it because a TikTok told them too, I’m saying its because that’s how a lot of the younger generation happens to search.

Just one example:

businessinsider.com/nearly-half-genz-use-tiktok-i…

I for one, would NOT trust some rando 30 second clickbait video telling me how to root my phone, but you can sure as shit bet that a ton of school aged children are doing that to play some cracked APK they got from a sketchy website because their parents wouldn’t buy them a 99c game.

Those same kids have bank and google pay apps setup on their phone so they can make purchases when they are out and about. I see kids using their phone for vending machine purchases ALL THE TIME.

Edit: Since this is a meme community, little bit of rage bait for ya: All the TikTokers coming out with the downvotes :)

OftenWrong ,

No offense but you sound SO old lol. Tiktok isn’t just full of 12 year old’s and hasn’t been since, well, probably since covid started. With what a shit show standard search engines are these days I don’t blame them for searching what they know. There’s plenty of good info on tiktok that’s being presented by people that know their craft. The short format is nice too because it keeps them from telling their whole life story before they show me what I need to know.

The fact that you’re just basing your whole opinion here on an article kinda says it all really. I would have hoped my generation would outgrow this boomer bullshit but here we are.

Y’all are so worried about using things like Google pay but it’s going to become a standard whether you like it or not. It’s just another way to pay for shit and banks reimburse scammy bullshit just like they do if your card info gets stolen.

h3mlocke ,

Stupid comment

OftenWrong ,

Stupid reply

h3mlocke ,

👍

pacoboyd , (edited )

Nah, the article was something I went searching for after the fact. I guess “old” is in the eye of the beholder. My 8 year old thinks I’m old.

Just your bog standard Millennial here though. Started out with no tech growing up, and basically grew up along side and with the modern era of technology.

As for search engines, I agree, that’s why I use a selfhosted SearXNG instance. It’s not shoved down your throat google ads (much more akin to what google was 5 years ago or older), but TikTok surely isn’t the answer for “specialists in their field”, just like I wouldn’t have used Vine to source specialist knowledge before that. The problem with the format is there is to much “jumping to the end” without understanding why. You literally cannot get into the “why” in short video format, it’s a bit like “and now your draw the rest of the owl”.

I actually feel like some of the youngest generations while “perceived” to be technical because they grew up with tech actually lack much of the deeper understanding of how that same technology works. This is gonna sound very much “in my day we had to walk uphill both ways” kinda thing, but we did actually have to struggle with technology growing up. If you wanted it to work, you had to frequently do it yourself, and figure out why something wasn’t working with out reddit or online forums sourcing thousands of technical people. I use those skills to this day and it’s a skill I try and mentor into new hires at work.

I recall once early in my career, I caught a co-worker attempting to perform a change on a server for a Fortune 500 financial company using instructions on a webpage that looked like it was from a 1990’s Geocities website (this was probably 2012, so not sure where he even found it!). I slammed his workstation closed so fast and walked him into a conference room. Being “old” doesn’t mean out of touch, but it does often mean wiser.

Edit: Also, not sure where you got that I’m against google pay, venmo, paypal, square, amazon pay or any of those apps, I have them all installed on my phone. What I AM saying is that those apps are at risk to people who root their phones and install applications from sketchy sources. My point about kids using their phones at vending machines was to prove they are probably MORE at risk because they don’t understand the hows or whys to what they did when they rooted their phone and installed Minecraft (or any game!) from a sketchy crack page.

OftenWrong ,

If any of the younger gens have a lack of understanding in tech then it’s on us. It’s on the older gens. We failed to guide them and push for the kind of education that they needed. Millennials, older millennials especially, were kind of privileged in this regard because we grew with the tech. We HAD to figure it out or just not interact with it. It’s not like we’re just built different or anything we just had different opportunities to learn. I don’t see how “watching a 30 second video by a 12 year old on tiktok” is realistically different from watching the video by a 12 year old typing in a notepad on YouTube that I used the first time I rooted a phone.

I swear every single generation makes things easier for the next and then immediately complains about “kids these days” and their lack of struggles

pacoboyd ,

You may have missed where I specifically said I mentor new hires for those skills.

MonkeMischief ,

Alright this wasn’t supposed to be a TED talk but turns out I’m passionate about this and the Adderall kicked in…

I don’t think it’s on older gens on a user level for the most part. I try to teach the kids in my life computer stuff all the time. I know lots of “my dad’s in IT” kids that grew up understanding how computers work even on a basic level.

We who care, do so fervently, and are often drowned out by the noise.

Let’s point the finger more accurately: It’s 99% on how tech companies forced the evolution of computing to their benefit. They decided what “the future” would be, and sold us out to it.

Instead of fully functioning computers, “Kids these days” have grown up with flat little content-consumption devices that make sure you literally can’t understand how they work. Everything is framed as some esoteric black box service brought to you by a cabal of qualified wizards. (Look at Windows’ whole “We’re doing things for you behind this pulsing blue screen” schtick. Funny how opaque an OS called “Windows” has become.)

The entire design motif of modern devices seems to scream:

“Don’t ask questions. You’re too stupid for that. Know your place. Just put a payment method on file and tap whatever you could want for just 99¢ more!”

They’re black-box appliances that were aggressively marketed to families at home, and these companies shelled out tablets and chromebooks as “grants” to schools, to secure a mind-share of future customers who were “raised on it” and know nothing else.

The Silicon Valley titans have normalized addiction algorithms, invisible data mining, zero privacy, planned obsolescence of entire devices with non-replacable parts, browser-based-everything, subscription-tiers for everything, no ownership over purchases, and consumption-first design.

Computing knowledge has become a “magic box” to the point that colleges need to spend valuable time explaining file types and folders. Before college?

Hah! We’re back to the 80’s again: Only real nerds have a desktop in the house.

Elementary schools have replaced their computer labs with cheap e-waste-quality chromebooks where students do everything through a browser. Computing education went the way of arts, history, and music. Gone, unless it’s a fancy private school.

They’re stretched thin as it is, and the curriculum is increasingly based on standardized testing on “STEM” over everything else. Why?

Because employers want a large pool of punctual test-passers to choose from, and corporations want generationally vendor-locked customers to secure future earnings.

This is why, despite how the world runs on computers, to the majority, emails are space magic. Nobody knows nor cares about their privacy being sold off, and nobody bothers to learn about computers in the first place.

A “technical user” is super intimidating to “normies” because they know things like “There are multiple browsers” and “You can copy and paste”. I’m not even kidding.

It’s depressing as hell. Maybe some of it is on our generation, for not fighting harder for user rights.

This is why Linux has such a cult following: it flies in the face of this hypercapitalist customer-farm nonsense, and people find that refreshing. I’m happy to hear of more kids using it, and messing with things like Pis.

In some places there’s hope.

Thanks for hearing me out.

pacoboyd ,

Thanks for this. Well put.

MonkeMischief ,

Thank you for reading it, and for your appreciation. It means a lot. :)

Siegfried ,

Risky for who?

spikespaz ,

Both parties.

pacoboyd , (edited )

Can’t tell if this is serious question or not, but for the end user. Lemmy is a bit of a technical microcosm, so while we might not want protection from ourselves, the MAJORITY of people out there are not technically savvy. So while not everyone has a linux workstation (lets assume 2-3% based on some reporting) Android has an approximate 70% worldwide market share. So that means the VAST majority of people running Android probably can’t be trusted to plug in a toaster correctly. This is the same reason there are guiderails on roads with steep embankments.

AnnaFrankfurter ,

But what about those of us who are running degoogled GrapheneOS.

pacoboyd ,

I think you probably fall into that 3% I talked about in my other comment. I bet you know how to block apps from detecting root too, so probably not a good faith argument.

maynarkh ,

12 year old tell them how to root thier phone on TicTok

The real pros learn from Indian guys on Youtube

yamapikariya ,
@yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com avatar

I unrooted my phone because Google making things harder every time was just not worth the benefit to me anymore.

JasonDJ ,

This is the real problem.

Far too many people with rooted phones having no business with a rooted phone, installing whatever from wherever with no regard to the security implications.

At least people with root on a Linux system, by default, are going to be more knowledgeable in that regard.

rtxn ,

The last time I rooted my phone, I used a sketchy app I downloaded from megaupload (man, I’m getting old) that may or may not have given that phone superherpes. You are not wrong.

zolax ,
zolax , (edited )

maybe it’s just me, but isn’t it quite hard (at least for people not confident doing technical stuff) to root a phone?

like a decade ago the bootloader may have been unlocked by default and for many phones there were exploits so that they could be rooted with an app, but nowadays you would have to:

  • unlock the bootloader by installing ADB and fastboot drivers, booting into download mode and run terminal commands that would reset your phone in the process; and for some phones, you would also need to shorten a test point and for quite a few of them nowadays, unlocking the bootloader is impossible
  • boot into download mode and flash a custom recovery with fastboot or potentially with Odin or some other proprietary software (or sometimes you can root from download mode)
    • for some newer (including Samsung) phones, you also need to disable dm-verity otherwise your phone wouldn’t be able to boot into Android
  • boot into recovery mode and finally flash (probably Magisk) an image to root the system

I guess there are usually detailed instructions for this, but I doubt that most people rooting their phones now would be non-techie people who are just watching generic online tutorials. they would most likely stumble upon XDA or other forums that would have proper instructions. and even then, they are not very beginners friendly as they aren’t usually supposed to be followed by people with little to no experience with using the command-line, drivers, how Android phones work internally, etc.

pacoboyd ,

Making my point for me. Those short form videos have very little chance of being right or accurate. They may have you going to some sketchy link and download and app that is supposed to do it for you etc etc.

My point is the people at risk don’t know they are participating in a risky activity. (not if they successfully rooted their phone or not).

zolax ,

ah, okay, that’s fair. in terms of short-form social media that tries to engage you, I’d expect little warning and for children especially to take more risks when encountering this type of content.

Folks with rooted android phones have a high chance of having watched a 12 year old tell them how to root their phone on TicTok.

I was more focused on this, though, because this sentence implied that you could successfully root your phone with short-form, likely phone-generic tutorials when the process nowadays is much more difficult and technical

MeanEYE , to linuxmemes in Why don't banks like root on Android?
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Because as per usual they don’t understand security. I have started choosing my bank based on software they have. If software looks competent, that’s my most significant influence.

They think rooted device = insecure device, but at the same time PC is even less secure and yet all the business users use them and more to the point have passwords written on a sticky note glued to the screen. My old bank at one point “upgraded” their software system and then started asking me for weird characters in password and then asked for maximum length which was the final sin I allowed them to commit. Left them that week.

PriorityMotif ,
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You’re better off with random different passwords for each service written on a sticky note than using the same password/email combofor multiple accounts.

lemmyvore ,

I mean, you’re comparing very different scenarios.

If one account gets broken into and their password hashing was crap, the attacker can try the email/password combo with other services and can stumble onto another one you use.

If someone has access to your sticky note they have all your accounts.

I don’t think I’d call either of them better.

Of course, all this assumes no second auth factor.

nevemsenki ,

If someone has access to your sticky note they’re already in your house, and that’s a bigger issue IMO… even from an itsec perspective, once the attacker has physical access to guarantee safety is difficult.

But seriously, there’s a guy in your house.

lemmyvore ,

But seriously, there’s a guy in your house.

My house is not a prison… yes, other people come over. There’s the occasional party, handymen doing work, neighbors, parents of kids from school, kids sleeping over, and so on. It doesn’t have to be the ninjas breaking in.

If you don’t casually keep wads of cash in the open around the house you probably shouldn’t have logins on a post-it either. But to be fair the kind of person that does the latter does the former too.

nevemsenki ,

If I know they are there then I either supervise visitors or trust them to not rummage/take my stuff. If that is your issue then keep your postit in a drawer; most people don’t keep their yubikeys in a securely bolted safe either.

PriorityMotif ,
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Just shift the password descriptions a few spots compared to the passwords, then you’ll get email about failed logins as a canary.

lemmyvore ,

My bank keeps their app up to date with all the latest anti-root stuff but allows passwords made of 5 digits. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

trafficnab ,

Unless they’ve changed it very recently, Paypal still limits your password to 20 characters

ozymandias117 ,

Unless they’ve changed it very recently, Wells Fargo’s passwords are case insensitive

trafficnab ,

Air Canada’s online account system required a 6 character password, which was secretly converted via T9 to 6 numbers on the back end, meaning “aaaaaa” and “bbbbbb” were effectively the same password, and this was only fixed in 2018

4z01235 ,

That sounds like someone who topped out with highschool level programming tried to implement a hash algorithm.

trafficnab ,

My personal theory is that it’s a remnant of an old system that was only accessible by phone (hence the 6 digit pin), and they simply grafted an online component on top of it

MeanEYE ,
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Any service that limits maximum length of the password means they are not hashing them. Which is a scary proposition, especially for such a huge service.

trafficnab ,

That’s normally my assumption too but surely PayPal has proper security, right? Right??

MeanEYE ,
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It’s possible that limit is either gone or vestige from a bygone age and they are hashing passwords properly now. Either way they do seem like they take security seriously.

MeanEYE ,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, that’s the “your problem” approach to security.

Assman , to insanepeoplefacebook in Now the eclipse is a librul conspiracee.
@Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar

Please think logically people… God has been doing volcanoes for a very long time & nowhere does he mention we need to not jump in them

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Sure, and mountains have been there for centuries, no reason why we shouldn’t climb Everest despite the piles of corpses up there.

sukhmel ,

Well, piles won’t pile themselves

Masamune ,

Please think logically people… God has been doing water for a very long time & nowhere does he mention we need to not inhale his miracle life giving substance or breathe “air”.

Assman ,
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He had it right when we lived in the ocean. Everything after that was a mistake.

Masamune ,

This comment implies the existence of evolution, how dare you!

(/s, obvi)

anzo , to programmerhumor in Python tutorial moment

This is exactly why we love Python (and other languages with rich package ecosystem, even when only on their niche usage cases). You can build upon other people’s knowledge and effort to do cool things efficiently and effectively!

ampersandrew , (edited ) to games in Gameplay mechanics were also a lot better with more replayability.
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

games back then were also more focused on quality

This is selection bias. You remember Metal Gear Solid, but do you remember Iron & Blood: Warriors of Ravenloft? Do you remember Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero? Bubsy 3D? The million-and-one licensed games that were churned out like baseball cards back then?

and make gamers replay the game with unlockable features based on skills, not money

If we’re going to say that a full-price game today costs $70, Metal Gear Solid would have cost the equivalent of $95. Not only that, but that was very much the Blockbuster and strategy guide era. Games would often have one of their best levels up front so that you can see what makes the game good, but then level 2 or 3 would hit a huge difficulty spike…just enough to make you have to rent the game multiple times or to cave in and buy it when you couldn’t beat it in a weekend. Or you’d have something like Final Fantasy VII, which I just finished for the first time recently, and let me tell you: games that big were designed to sell strategy guides (or hint hotlines) as a revenue stream. There would be some esoteric riddle, or some obscure corner of the map that you need to happen upon in order to progress the game forward. The business model always, at every step of the medium’s history, affects the game design.

“Value” is going to be a very subjective thing, but for better or worse, the equivalent game today is far more packed full of “stuff” to do, even when you discount the ones that get there just by adding grinding. There are things I miss about the old days too, but try to keep it in perspective.

HopingForBetter ,

Son, are you crying?

variants ,

There’s just so much everything now a days. There’s tons of great new music and tons of great new games buried in all the new stuff thats being pumped out that it’s hard to find the gems. There’s lots of passionate people out there taking the time and effort to try and make the best

Carighan ,
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“Value” is going to be a very subjective thing, but for better or worse, the equivalent game today is far more packed full of “stuff” to do, even when you discount the ones that get there just by adding grinding. There are things I miss about the old days too, but try to keep it in perspective.

Exactly this.

Games back then were pricier - once you account for inflation.
Games back then did expect you to pay extra - in fact quite a few were deliberately designed to have unsolvable moments without either having the official strategy guide or at least a friend who had it who could tell you.

insomniac_lemon , (edited )
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Games back then were pricier - once you account for inflation.

That's commonly said but ignores other economic factors such as income, unspent money, and cost-of-living.

Though lots of things are better now: the entire back-catalogue of games, more access to review/forums, free games (and also ability to create your own games without doing so from nothing) etc. Aside from when video store rental was applicable, early gaming was more take-what-you-can-get (niche hardware/platforms might still have that feel somewhat).

ampersandrew ,
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That’s commonly said but ignores other economic factors such as income, unspent money, and cost-of-living.

Inflation is derived by indexing all of those things. Some things are far more expensive or far cheaper relative to each other, but we approximate the buying power of a dollar by looking at all of it.

Cocodapuf ,

a few were deliberately designed to have unsolvable moments without either having the official strategy guide or at least a friend who had it who could tell you.

Do you have an example?

I knew kids that bought strategy guides, I worked at a game shop that sold strategy guides, and as far as I could tell they were for chumps. People who has more money than creativity.

ampersandrew ,
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Cosmetic DLC feels like it’s for chumps too, but it’s lucrative. The best example is going to be Simon’s Quest, without a doubt. The strategy guide was in an issue of Nintendo Power. I’m sure they were also happy to let social pressures on the playground either sell the strategy guides or the game just by word of mouth as kids discussed how to progress in the game. A Link to the Past is full of this stuff too. The game grinds to a halt at several points until you happen to find a macguffin that the game doesn’t even tell you that you need. Without the strategy guide, you could end up finding those things by spending tons of hours exploring every corner of the map, but by today’s standards, we’d call that padding.

anas ,

Games back then were pricier - once you account for inflation.

This has always been a weird argument to me. Did wages go up to match inflation? If not, they’re not actually getting any cheaper.

ampersandrew ,
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The median US household income in 1998 was $38.9k, and today it’s $77.3k.

son_named_bort ,

I forgot about hint hotlines. They’d charge per minute and did everything they could to keep you on the phone. I called a hotline once and my parents weren’t too happy about it.

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